First thing Brian, you're going to need coil stillages. Never is there to be any steel on steel contact under any circumstance, so the stillage must have rubber underneath or sit on wood bearers and the coil on rubber in the stillage also. Chains only, no straps and never straps and chains. No chain dogs are to be used. Chain ratchets or screw ratchets only. All chains and hooks must be rated. I work in the steel industry where load restraint regs are vigorously enforced. The slightest deviation from the regs is liable to get you banned particularly if you're hauling steel for profit. If there's a minor mishap and an investigation launched and they find you haven't been handling their stock correctly then the powers that be could ban you for insurance and liability reasons. Sub contractors are their primary focus for compliance btw. Best you know this before you find out the hard way. Up side, perhaps only a few thousand bucks for the stuff I mentioned. Get them to supply the stillages if you can, if not make them. Contact me here and I'll shoot you over some pics, rules, restraint guidlines and pics of coil stillages and timbers. The rubbers are aften old conveyor belt rubbers. The thinner thickness ones are preferred.

@jonathanparker2939

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Listen to this man.

@williamtiebout4142

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👏👏

@bigjoesburgers

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⬆️ what he said..

@jenniferwhitewolf3784

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Excellent information.. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@fjLh50go2wxP

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So Paul, does this, no steal on steal apply to the car used for transport? Must the r.r cars and Flat beds be cleaned of scrap metal bits and pieces? I once saw a shipment of very expensive boat building lumber arrive by truck and only because we off loaded by hand did we find metal chips ground into all the bottom lumber. Thousands of dollars reduced to dunnage.

In the kind of railroading you're doing, there will be times when you're, "Holding and Hitting" just to stay in the ring. Transloading is a great business, but it takes a lot of hustle and/or a lot of word of mouth about your location and your service. As time goes by, the phone will ring more and more. You got this...

@chrislangdon8182

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Agreed

Suggestion: pour a slab where this and future operations will take place. This will be critical when inclement weather hits especially in the rain & winter months. Think of it like a kitchen cutting board, all the prep work is done in a small raised & stable area.

I’ve been knocked down too. Marriage and relationally. But I’m not giving up. God still has a plan for me. You too. 😊

@eastterminalrailway5975

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You got this! B.

@barrybickle7992

Жыл бұрын

Well said, I agree

Might want to consider for your next forklift purchase to get a rough terrain forklift to use in your yard which looks like it will be awfully soft during inclement weather. Also, bigger is better in this case. Wishing you well!

@ronaldmorrison6013

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What you said

@jamiecorley1700

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I agree maybe a forklift like they use to take containers off.

I drove semi trucks and our main customer was Charter Steel in Sackville, WI. All they made was Steel coils. The powder coated ones were as slippery as ice. The answer to your loading and unloading is a bigger forklift jeep with a heavier counter weight. Charter also retrofitted a two square Steel tube together to slide over both forks after they slid them together in the middle of the jeep. Then they welded a Steel pipe, about 4 inches in diameter, to the two square tube. They also welded a domed cap on the end of the pipe so that they would not damage the coils. Now they could use both forks to lift the coils and not have the edge of the forks scratch or damage the coils. But all they used for loading our trucks were those jeeps. The crane with the electromagnet was used by Charter to unload the scrap Steel out of the gondola cars and into the molting furnace.

I bought a 4000 lb mast, took a 1 ton truck frame, added 10 inch channel to stiffen the frame and mount a rigid dually axle under the frame (No suspension) and added a second transmission (manual) behind the automatic transmission for low range operation (I needed slow power) and I have an off road fork lift. I built it to handle logs for the saw mill. It was much cheaper than buying a similar fort lift. I would suggest to add a couple engine blocks to your forklift for more counterbalance. It looks like the hydraulics and drive train can handle the weight, but not the balance. If you have any questions, ask.

I feel like the grapple is capable but you would need to use heavy duty straps to avoid damaging the load. That forklift is an accident waiting to happen. If the rear raises off the ground at any time it is ABOVE it's capacity. Plus it'll get stuck repeatedly and at the end of the day you'll want to set fire to it. Go where the money is!

@TheLoiteringKid

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I wonder about adding some more counter weight to the fork truck, at lest till a proper replacement could be had. As for the grapple, what about those cable hoisted fork attachments you see on some construction delivery vehicles? Edit, forget the overhead pallet lift, get a coil c hook.

Like others I have quite a few comments and thoughts. First off I’m glad you didn’t give up. America was not built by people who gave up. I’m happy to see you testing, smart move #1. Gold star. I don’t expect the magnet to work reliably remember they are manufacturing imperfections that may/will effect the working ability. We also need to factor weather into the equation. You need to be all weather and be able to work safely. Time is money not only for the truckers, you get a slow rep the won’t come but also your time and employees time is money. You could rent a multitude of equipment to do the job. From a large off road loader modified for the job, a crane with a proper C hook or any of the other ideas mentioned. What you can’t afford is a breakdown or delay. For the first 6 months rent the equipment you need when you need it. Once you know this is a long term deal then buy. You said yourself there is a construction project that needs it. That tells me don’t invest in specialty equipment, no matter how cool it is, because it will not pay for itself. This is a business the numbers need to make sense. Offer them you and the locomotive for one price and you with rented equipment and staff for another. The books have to balance. Good luck and we believe in you.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks Sam, great input! Brian

@dallasbuchholz3207

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Magnet also adds the weight of the magnet to the load being lifted.

Life is 1% circumstance and 99% attitude. Winners never quit and quitters never win. You're in our prayers. You've got this Brian. Depending on weight and coil hardness, strap style chokers to sling the coil may cause less compression and damage to the ends than a chain. Feeding, and grabbing the end of the strap at the gon wall could be interesting. As has already been stated, always tilt mast back once load is acquired for stability.

Back in the 1980s, Pettibone made a Cary Lift material handler specifically for moving coils out of gondola cars. Instead of pallet forks it had a kind of hook that would slide inside a coil and lift it without using chains or straps. Imagine using your index finger to get peanut butter out of a jar. I don’t know about it’s side shift ability, though. You might see if one of those is still around. They seemed to last forever and take a lot of abuse.

@Rolf-Dieter_Damm

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I think you mean a C-Hook. 🙂

@turbo1438

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Yes! I hope this guy reads this comment. He needs a "c" type hook that will attract to the hi-railer. It should probably be custom made, perhaps a 6" heavy wall steel tube (the pole, 5'6"L ,closed on one end) with an upright at the other and then another shorter top arm that is slightly obtuse of perpendicular (for clearance purposes) to the bottom. On the top arm you place the lifting point above the center of pole and... voila! Kinda like a carpet moving pole on a fork truck. °|__ ____| sorta like this if you really use your imagination. Lol

My 2 cents for your consideration: 1) Here's what you need to build or buy for the coils- tsriggingequipment.com/c-hooks-coil-lifting-handling-devices 2) For rebar: Long I-beam with straps/loops equally spaced from one end to the other to wrap around the bundles. Lifting straps/chains at either end up to your lifting device. Something similar to this for the weights you'll be lifting: www.caldwellinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/20200512_080306-e1614183598505-wpv_1332x.jpg 3) You're correct, neither your current forklift nor grapple will last long trying to do this load after load. You'll need something larger like an excavator or crane. Thought I saw you guys with a (red?) crane in an earlier video. Probably going to have to be something dedicated to the task else you'll be putting 2 income streams at risk if the equipment is needed elsewhere or needs repair at some point. Good luck!

Keep on trucking, we love your railroad. Don’t stop!!!

That forklift could work to get started. People add more counter weight to the back of forklifts all the time. Getting as close to the load and tilting back as far as possible helps a lot too. Also air up the tires to proper PSI, using the machine at it's design capacity, everything needs to be in good condition and correct.

@chaos0852

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Those tires are solid rubber

@oldrustycars

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@@chaos0852 many lift trucks have pneumatic tires. I have fixed many flats.

@royreynolds108

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@@oldrustycars Many, if not most, off-road fork trucks have pneumatic tires similar to tractor tires. Solid tires are for hard surfaces such as concrete and asphalt.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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@@chaos0852 yes the tires definitely need air. Or foam filled.

Dammit! Just like a good ole" fashioned barn raising, we want this railroad to work! Let us help!

Look at THE ETR Safety cone glistening in the sun. Or is it reflecting the goodness of the man next to it? Hmmmmm. Trial and error and a large helping of ETR Nation knowledge goes a long way. God Speed ETR!

I have every confidence and faith that you will Adapt ,Adopt,and Overcome ,and we will see steel coil being unloaded at the ETR ! Onwards and Upwards !!!

If I may make a few comments on the forklift…undersized, not enough counterweight on rear, tires not suitable for the terrain (thinking when the surface is wet/soft from rain), no side shift… A thought on the grapple: make an attachment resembling a hairpin with a lifting link at a balance point on one of the “legs” of the hairpin, remove the grapple and attach the ‘hairpin lifting link’ to the hoist. To move the coil(s) whether from the gondola or onto the flatbed, slide the “hairpin with sufficient throat between the two “legs” to slide between the thickness of the coil and lift the device with the coil between its legs. A welded stop on the leg of the hairpin that is inserted INTO the inside of the coil will prevent the coil from sliding off while in transit. Arrange your trans load operation so you would not use or need a forklift. One operator only for your lifting. No damage to any coils at any time. Send me a message with how to contact you and I will sketch what I am suggesting. All the best of luck.

@NCISONDISCORD

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good idea and its even upgradeable such as it being long enough to Carrie 3 coils at once or more (maybe ask the costumer if they can load it a certain way then just slide the pin in and lock it and boom put wherever u want it and big stonks)

Finding the right tools is a big part of any job. You will come up with what you need because you have the will power to push forward. Best of luck., Ed

You were talking about rebar to , you might want to get a machine capable of loading and unloading both products, I'm thinking a not so small of an track loader or excavator type of machine, rebar is usually real long . You will need a helper for sure because you will get real tired jumping in and out of the cars.

If it was you or Graeme - I could see it working - I'm thinking of weather also that forklift would sink Matt over at Diesel Creek just picked up a big gantry - he said it's too big for what he needs - you have the switcher to move the cars and if the gantry is long enough to go over the gondolier and put a flatbed next to it - just thinking out loud - Best of luck

Chain needs a SPREADER BAR on top and a chain thru a large pipe to safely lift that coil without messing up the coil.

I love the Klezmer music you chose. I wish you all the best with your endeavors. Excelsior

I work in a rebar fabricator shop in Cincinnati. We use a C hook attached to our crane to unload our coil rebar cars. It's the simplest way. If you do get into rebar, (Nucor Marion?) The 60' bars out of a gondola may be a bit challenging to unload in the field. Spreader Beams on a single hook can be difficult.

@Tony_W45241

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Also, when you get a gondola full of coils, you won't be able to chain or stap through the coils. They will be butted up against each other. Plus they tend shift around a lot during transport.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks for the input, sounds like you have the knowledge. B.

I've seen coils unloaded using a forklift with round pipe slipped over the flat forks . The lift could lift 2 at a time as it was a little larger than yours. I've seen this in Scott city Missouri, on the river off of barges

If you don't mind my saying, I'd go shopping for used logging equipment! The loaders they use have more capacity than your grapple truck, and atleast some of them have the rotator. They are mobile, so you can reposition as needed, and without any hassle. I would also fabricate a C-hook to suit these bundles. The long term vision would include a raised platform that would match the height of the train cars and the trucks, allowing easy loading with fork lift or a crane/ loader. It would be sweet!

Long forks on an off road construction forklift with big wheels would move those coils on your gravel and rails very easily. Your forlkift has the right length forks, but it isn't intended to be used on soft ground. Pour a concrete pad to run the forklift around on and it would do well. Attach wood to the top of the forks so the edges of the forks don't cut into the metal coil. You might even consider switching out the forks for a round rod, something like the farmers use to move round hay bales. I wouldn't do these coils with a grapple. If you could get forks and change the grapple for long forks or the round rod, you might do well.

@funone8716

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Doesn't need concrete to get started, but would be best. Crushed granite Item 2 with crusher dust in it packed and rolled will be more than good to drive that forklift on any time of the year if the ground drains well.

@dajones1128

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Very well said.

Ha ha! Glad you have good Intel on that construction project. :) Walbridge coatings has a big looking "C" that picks their coils. Turn a stretched C on it's side and articulate the opening. That's how they pic coils. Like your thumb and index finger touching thru the center of a doughnut.

A large excavator may be an option. The large ones are somewhat affordable, because they are too large to regularly move, as they are oversized loads, so there isn't as much demand for them, as the mid-sized units.

@lbicknell

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I think you're on to something here. Plenty of KZread channels talking about these large excavators. One guy picked one up for $10k. Oversized permits to deliver was < $1k. A quick google shows lifting capacity upwards of 20,000lbs, so 4x the weight of those coils. Would need to replace the bucket with some sort of L arm or something.

Transloading has been profitable for individual operators for decades. I have a friend here in Reno who bought a dilapidated Piggy Packer for almost nothing, got it running, and has very steady work loading containers on well cars in the Sparks, Nevada main yard.

I just so happen to work at a factory that handles those exact coils. We use a 6000 lb. forklift to unload/load flatbed trucks. any time we get a truck that has coils loaded with the eye to the back, instead of the side we use a J hook that slides onto the forks, it would work to unload gons, just slide the hook through the eye of the coil and lift.

I would put a bevel on those forks...or a piece of conveyor belt.....to protect the coil from being NICKED. A nick can cause a break in the coil wire. You have to handle other people's material with great care...no sloppy work..

@eastterminalrailway5975

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I have seen the bulkhead flats in the AAR loading plans, that would much easier. B.

You should see about getting a coil hook with the appropriate throat depth for use with the boom truck. You could also get a coil boom for the forklift. Handle the coil right without damaging the coils and giving those doing the handling some room fto avoid accidental damage due to human error. Good luck!

I would look into a gantry type crane...lots of them just lay around after a business shuts down...you might even find the style similar to how the transfered containers in the old days or even an old container handler that you modify...BNSF left the Myjack machine in the dilworth Minnesota yard and it's still there over a decade after they stopped operating that facility

At a drill manufacturer wher I worked coil steel would come in as you have yours and we used a holder called a "top hat" . They were called top hats because of their shape and were made of seamless tubing. Simply slide the narrow end of the top hat into the coil up to the base and lift the narrow end up with a strap by the machine of your choice and tip it up right. With a little practice you get pretty good at it. To put onto another vehile simply reverse the procedure. I did this for 2 years at $1.75/hr. From '83 to '85.

I have to agree with others that a gravel work area won't be a good and safe situation. To do this safely you need a good thick(8-10 inches thick) concrete pad to handle the weight of both the machinery and the product. Also, a c- shaped beam wrapped in heavy rubber on a much larger excavator. Again, look at military surplus sales. Best of luck , and keep on keeping on!

Yup Mr Perseverance, (and you have tons of this) being a heavy equipment mechanic, operator and fabricator for 40 years of my life, a few upgrades in equipment will do just fine. Wish I were closer to you, I’d be fun to come and play, (if you’d have an old fart around) LOL Ron

Brian, Next time you’re up for a road trip, you should come down to your south and west to Mason City Iowa and spend the day with the Iowa Traction Railway. One reason they are the only electric railway I know of still running in the US. Secondly they are doing exactly what you want to do with your railroad with Transloading and Car storage. Think about it and let me know if you ever head this way. I’d love to meet you and shake your hand.

Lake Erie Screw and Bolt used forklifts with a rod instead of forks so as not to damage the coils to load or unload trucks and to move around factory. They also had a fixed overhead gantry to unload gondolas. Pick up a few coils ad move the car. They did not get a lot of gondolas full of coil so the fixed one worked.

Ozark has a1 Pettibone 300m and a burro for sale. You have a great determination to dust yourself and get it done attitude. GOD bless you.

Brian, your grapple is also a crane. Cranes use spreader bars with either cables or chains going to the hook. You can make a spreader bar out of 2"+ diameter thick wall pipe with a heavy chain running through the bore, or welded to the ends. Slide the spreader bar through the slinky, connect to the crane hook, and lift. Thanks for the video. Jon, on the U.P., Pacific Coast Line, Santa Barbara Sub, M.P. 404.5

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks 439 I'll look into that! B.

Yes, trans-loading! Congratulations!

Another thought on the magnet idea. The customer may object to having their steel coil becoming magnetized.

Congratulations Brian on Reaching 25k Subscribers. We knew it would happen so Congratulations. Keep up the Strong Effort. You have to Try to Succeed. 👍🙏

Good work, Brian. You got this.

Glad to see you have an adapted plan.

Good for you Brian, good luck in the future

Well done ETR.Your railroad would be a nice line to incorporate into my HO CR/CONRAIL route.I like gondola traffic.You could ship in wire coils and ship out scrap.The gondolas can bring in the coils for Trans loading.And then leave loaded with scrap metal for the mills.Thatway you'd make money with both inbound and outbound car loads.Loads=more money made for the railroad.More trans load products in gondolas or on flatcars could be steel plate,Rebar,Barstock,Steel Pipe.You could even have a team track as well.Just a few good old ideas to help out the ETR.Thanks for the great videos.Donald.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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DR Loads both ways would be amazing, that just might work! Brian

The Claw!!

You’re a braver man than I !!!! 15:07

Thank you for sharing.👍👀

Keep up the good fight. Make sure you're ready when you bring a customer on board. You're working out the kinks and success will follow.

I know, my idea but YOUR money. BUT, I would definitely recommend the biggest concrete pad you can manage; for now AND the future! Good luck!

Congratulations 👏..Very exciting....so glad you are Experimenting and trying 💡ideas

Praying for you guys!!!

Glad to see your video and yourself in a better mood. Plus going forward and finding a way for ETR.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks Mark! Brian

I'm adding a second comment, as it's a different subject. You might try expanding the KZread side of the ETR. It could be a bigger part of the profit model. Right now you're fighting the algorithm. It HEAVILY weighs consistent regular uploads. The biggest factors for YT to recommend videos is consistent regular uploads. I suggest trying for weekly videos somewhere around the 10 minute mark. As long as it's railroad related it should be fine. YT is also HEAVILY pushing shorts in their algo, because they are trying to compete with TikTok. I'm just starting to work on my RC channel (including some train stuff) and my puny 265 sub channel got 3k views on a short in a matter of minutes the other day.

Good luck and bigger forklift ... Thx for sharing ...

right on, have to deal with what ever it is, and keep on pushing forward.

Wish you the Best Brother! from BPRX

Good to see you back! Keep Safe!

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks, will do!

youve got a ton of support behind you!

What would look to most like a simple operation is complicated and skilled. The potential of things going wrong with that coil is huge and you are right to consider all the aspects, including employee safety and training - but, you're on the right track!

Looks like the perfict application for an overhaed crane that can travel the length of four 40 foot trailers!

Great video and content

As others have mentioned a heavier duty forklift with off road capabilities is maybe the way to go. Hope there is light at the end of the tunnel bro. Safe travels

I know it’d probably be a long shot but what if you’d be able to fabricate/look for an old or used sort of pulley block/gantry type crane. Just move the gondolas under the crane for load positioning instead of moving the crane and load.

@tomroehl5126

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This is exactly what I was thinking.. it would be much faster and safer in the long run

@daveb5540

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Wow Exactly what I was thinking. A movable gantry with a proper grabbing devise would provide you a safer single direction motion (think quicker repeatability) and probably for less cost and less maintenance requirements. It would also be easier to meet insurance requirements and get you lower rates because of the safety value. The forklift operation would require a much larger machine,more maintenance, definitely a large concrete pad and the lift and move is slower and prone to more product damage and safety concerns(think high insurance costs).

@DanielPRails

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Exactly @@daveb5540 . All in all it seemed like less work, less money and more safety/security of the loading process. Who knows though because I’m sure it’s not exactly a cheap date either direction.

@daveb5540

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@@DanielPRails Not cheap but I think the least expensive ?. Ideally set up over two sets of track and a truck loading pad, for maximum combination of transfer possibilities.

A few moments into the vid I was concerned there wouldn't be any Yiddish music to groove on. I needn't have worried. Brian never disappoints!

Keep working towards that goal, sounds like you are on the right track. You are smart and persistent, where there is a will there is a way.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks RE! B.

I thought that was a great experiment. You learned the limits of what you have, and may be able to tweak things from there given other’s suggestions to get started, but want to step up in capacity.

@eastterminalrailway5975

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave, a day of learning a new material. Brian

Glad your back on your feet Brian. Yes, for safety reasons your best Not to use the equipment that you have,you need to upgrade forsur to make this plan work. I know you can do it. God bless you Brian for your work 🙏 👍👍🚂

Anything done for the first time should be tested for concept and safety. Well done Brian. Good to have you back in the fight.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks 👍

I’m glad you’re not giving up, but are regrouping. I think you’ve got the right idea, but you need to upgrade some of you’re choices and plans of attack. I’m confident that you’ve got the wherewithal to do whatever it takes. Take care Brian and have a good one. We are behind you all the way. 👍❤️

@eastterminalrailway5975

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Don! Brian

You can use a spreader bar with chains on each end. You can insert a bar through the coil and hook the chains on each end of the bar going through the coil.

There’s a trans load operation for coils at Seneca wire up in Fostoria , you should road trip to take a look at their ops

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Jason! That's exactly what I should do , thank You! Brian

@jasonsmity2707

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It’s on S Union St right between CSX and NS main lines

@mcclure440

Жыл бұрын

Google maps say they are " Permanently closed" ???

@jasonsmity2707

Жыл бұрын

That’s a different facility , was just by a vine st yesterday still a big line of coils to be loaded/unloaded not sure how often they work though

Steel-on-steel contact needs to be avoided, otherwise the coil will be injured. There are similar rules for handling rail, by the way. It can be surprisingly delicate if dropped onto something, or nicked, and then it will later form a crack.

Great video again sir. I found myself saying no to the screen when you were attempting to pinch it in the jaws. I give you lots of credit for testing what you have. Im waiting to see the magnet. Adapt and overcome.

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks Ed, we can figure this out! Brian

There's a reason the US Railroad Network is built both the best on Earth by far but also is literally the backbone of *ALL* Logistics in North America but in particular trucking and I think you've hit the nail on the head here namely *GET THESE MOVEMENTS OFF THE MAINLINE* such that they can become discretionary. By way of specific example downstate in Georgia but of course all throughout the US Railroading in *MAXXED OUT* precisely because the hauls from the ships bring the containers so far inland there's really no limit to where the absolutely *CRITICAL* 2nd movement can now go whether by further rail run or truck. More to the point a Railroad drive unit is awesomely powerful source of electricity as well. To me anyways if I were to start off in this type of adventure my first knock off the checklist no different from NASA launching its Moon Rocket type of checklist is to establish power *ON SITE* as from that you have created an immediately saleable product that has nothing to do with competing technically with anyone. Beyond that and coming from a Trucking background LTL when your economy is suddenly coughing up a hair ball as the USA one is at the moment is where that Industry now currently works going into Year end. The Summer of burning fuel to get those gallons of milk on the shelves has by and large ended...it's back to school time, Halloween and then the Insanity known as Black Friday/Cyber Monday. That's all LTL as there simply isn't the demand at the moment to be moving retail in large volumes to keep everyone *properly supplied* for what may very well be a kind of Bad Santa, 2022. People buy in bulk from ordering errors all the time at the moment.... *THEY NEED STORAGE TO MOVE THAT PRODUCT FROM eBay into the buyers hands. Good luck competing with a boxcar for that type of space! Anyhow all the best. I know short lines in the energy and food patch that have been *MINTING* money for decades now. They ain't complaining about the Big Boys or regulations or any of that especially right now. Having that type of working expertise going on now for so long hard to put a price on. Very valuable would be an understatement.

You're making progress. Keep at it and do as much as you physically can, Brian. Me, I'll still feel better if you had somebody out there to help. Stay focused and stay safe, my friend. 🙂

@eastterminalrailway5975

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Thanks George, I'll be careful. Brian

I feel like what you need is a long horizontal bar almost like a open sided coat hangar that you could slip in the inside

@eastterminalrailway5975

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That is really the best idea, with the magnet being a close 2nd. Brian

I use to unload this sort of stuff on the dock we use to put a strops through the middle of 2 next to each other and hook them both on to the crane and pull them out it was half the lifts and a easy way of keeping them tidy it cuts the work load down by loads As a side note to this the u need a long hook to grab the strop from the top of the coils so u can safely retrieve the stomp without putting your self in harms way

I was just watching a clip of one of my dogs that recently died very unexpectedly. That is when I saw this new clip. Maybe some good news I need it.

@eastterminalrailway5975

Жыл бұрын

So sorry, but, there is away back.

Yes I can be working on the grapple. The fork lifting truck comes in handy. Yes I agree you break the slinky fortunately it's gonna be a big problem. Yes those coils are heavy so yes you would need to lift all four coils on the truck. So we can't drive But if we have to drive. We have to think of some kind of way to load the coil. Agree gas prices are too high so you expect receive services from customers.. Yes I see the back wheel of the fork truck is deep. While The fork truck is lifting that coil that back wheel is getting pushed in deep. Front wheel is big But that wheel is small. I'm disappointed to but we gotta trying no matter what happens. I believe you can do it, the chain will work. Lifting up 400 tones of coil. That truck can take it a little, not too much power turning..!!!!

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There is a fellow with a tow truck business over on the Illinois / Missouri border area. He has an assortment of interesting slings that he uses to lift all sorts of trucks and semi trailers... (Pulling them out of the woods and so on.. all without causing additional damage. I have no idea how much he spends on that gear, but it is creating lifting jobs that keep his business alive. Ron Pratt is his name.. and has several tow trucks and so on...and good "soft" looking lifting gear. With great hardware to attach stuff for each lift.

Even if you had a larger grapple I don't think you could pick up the slinky because as you squeezed it then it would expand and pop the bands thus creating a giant pile of scrap. I think you're on "the right track" by obtaining a magnet such as they use in a scrap yard when they lift car bodies and such. It would also make unloading easier if you happen to get a load in a high side gondola.

Scott the Accountant: Remember VERSATILITY because products, customers and seasons change. When they call, I wanna say "yeah we can unload that." KZread didn't show anyone unloading these with a magnet, just straps and a crane. We should gear toward unloading everything. Buying or leasing this equipment depends on the revenue charged and your pockets, but I'm sure you don't want 6 different machines for 6 different loads. I'm so thrilled to see this video boss - I'm ready to work!!

That’s an interesting video 👍

I'm glad you found out before disaster struck that that particular fork truck would not do the job. Maybe a boom truck similar to what they use to deliver wall board to building jobs. They can maneuver a load quite well and put the load where you want it. Perhaps put it between the gondola and the truck to be loaded, so no wasted motion. Just my two cents. Good luck with it.

Would a magnet have enough surface area (the coil is round) to be safe??? I have seen truckers being loaded and unloaded at steel coil warehouses by a crane with a "C" shaped device that slips through the coil and is lifted. No electricity needed! I'm sure you will be successful.

Suffering madness!

I can picture a lifting mechanism similar to a tie hanger (the horrible neck choking kind) that would have a long spar and a strong joint to another spar above that goes to the balance point and can be grabbed from above.

I think a heavy duty forklift with pneumatic traction tires, and tilt +side shift forks would be best for what you need. But a crane would be better, but you still need a forklift.

Your existing forklift 'might' work better if you installed a 'counter-weight' at the steering wheel end. The grapple needs different outriggers that extend away from the truck bed, giving you a wider stance for lifting. The addition of a "C" hook would be very helpful.

Try looking at an excavator that is fitted with a proper grapple/swivel that can handle your coils they use these machines in scrap yards all the time. Good luck

@funone8716

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Great idea!

@robwar2288

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Rotobec!!!!

Operating many different styles of forklifts for over 20 years, I was concerned for your safety when I observed your forklift bouncing up and down on uneven ground. I agree with you on the fact that you needed more counter weight over the turning wheels, and side-shift will make the operators job way easier. Proper PSI for ALL tires will save you on maintenance costs. Please keep fighting the good fight! Thank you for sharing.

I was going to say you had the load too far out on the forks. I'm just worried that if you get a lot of work the ground may not hold up. You may need a concrete pad especially after a good rain. On you lift truck you need a different lift end. You need to hook it from the inside like the fork lift .Good luck though. Glad to see you still going.

@WHJeffB

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Yup... He had the load way too far out on the forks taking it off the truck. Would have been better to lift it just off the bed move it closer to the edge, drop it, move in and then pick it up and move it fully off the truck. Even still, that fork lift is too small for 4850lbs. A concrete pad is a must for that sort of load... I'd bet that these coils are beyond or at the very least, at the limit for the grapple too. A magnet might be a bad idea. I'm sure the customer doesn't want his steel coils magnetized, which could happen. As much as I want to see Brian succeed at this, his current equipment is just too insufficient for what he wants to do. He's going to have to invest more money and get set up properly, or he won't likely get the contract. I'm sure the company would want to review his process and if what we saw here is it, I'd bet they'd balk at doing business. Best of luck Brian... I truly want to see you pull this off, but I think it's going to take significantly more of an investment to get it done.

A few ideas: 15,000lb forklift, diesel powered (standardized fuel), long forks. The hook idea that someone below mentioned is the fastest and safest way to get these coils out and minimize handling in the yard. Gravel, lots of gravel well packed and drained. Also think about loading on the line closest to the area trucks will be loaded, as driving over gravel then rails then gravel might cause issues when wet, icy or snow. Keep the smaller forklift as well since equipment is not cheap anymore.

keep trying something is bound to workout! Good luck

Keep in the ring for sure, we know YOU can do it. ( shame ya can't pick up a old Burra track crane.)