I really enjoyed this review. Too many times, there is little content online trying to review more objectively older generations of Klipsch and people end up talking about a Heresy I as if it was performing the same as a III or IV. Keep them coming :)

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear that you enjoyed it. My goal is to evaluate vintage gear as honestly as possible.

I appreciate and respect that there is not a lot of digression when speaking. Straight to the point. Thank you.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

You are quite welcome and thank you for commenting.

Tube amp makes a huge difference. I have owned a pair of Large Advents for over around 45 years, so I'm really used to that sound with an old Marantz solid state amp. About a year ago I purchased a set of brand new Heresy IVs. When I brought a new McIntosh 252 into the fold it really sweetened the sound of the Heresys. The sound blooms from those speakers with that amp whereas with the Marantz the sound could get harsh at medium to high volumes. I love both speakers for their similarities and their differences and plan on keeping them forever. I'll be 70 this year, so that's it for purchasing speakers. I am adding a subwoofer to experiment with. I feel that may fill out the sound a bit. It'll be here on Friday! 🙂

@bigdaddystinkeye

3 ай бұрын

Added a REL T9x Red. Unbelievable sound. It's like you're sitting in front of the stage. Blown away.

Just got my hands on Klipsch Hersey HWO and can’t wait to compare them to my original Large Advent bullnose. Thanks for sharing your experience.

@stereoniche

10 күн бұрын

Congrats! Note that if yours are later models that have front mounted drivers, you should probably get better imaging, but let us know how it goes in your comparison.

@miyataonek8358

10 күн бұрын

@@stereonichethanks, can’t wait. Still trying to confirm them age. I believe they are made in 1979, but not sure. The original owner purchased them in 1982/1983. Their serial numbers are 86T766 & 88T151.

excellent comparison . . . I couldn’t agree with you more regarding the Advent’s sound qualities

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for tuning in!

Good review and soundstage stage testing on these 2 well known speakers. I have owned a pair of New Large Advents now for 7 years and love them. I was given these speakers from a passing neighbor whose daughter came knocking on my door with the sad news of her father's passing. He left these speakers and all his big band CDs to me. Upon receiving these speakers and setting them up I noticed right off how nice and warm they sounded. I still use these today as my main speakers and my Elac debut 6.2 as my "B" set.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Great story. Thank you for sharing your experience.

@janjanas3634

Жыл бұрын

How would you compare the Advents and the Elac's? I have Advents I'm very happy with but Elacs was something I was looking at as well. Curious to know your thoughts

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

@@janjanas3634 Hi Jan. Unfortunately, I have never heard Elacs so I do not yet have an opinion on their sound.

@sting64az

Жыл бұрын

@@janjanas3634 I have Elacs debut 6.2 versions. I bought them for 1/2 their original price. I believe now they are still in the low $200.00 range or so. They are nice sounding, but they need more power to open them up They are 6 ohms. The mids can be overwhelming at times. I now use them as my "B" speakers. The new large Advents are pleasant to listen to but every so often I change my soundstage and connected my Polk audio TSI 100 as they sound so much nicer than the Elacs. I hear detals more in the music then from both the Advents and Elacs. These Polk's speakers are 6+ years ago but have good reviews I seen. I'm impressed. The New Large Advents are 8ohms and the Polk's are 8ohms.

@Old_Sailor85

7 ай бұрын

@@janjanas3634 Have them both. Room size, and bass. The Advents will fill a bigger room and have better bass. The ELACs are great for smaller rooms.

Great format. I’m on board! Much like Stereo Review X but unfortunately haven’t seen a new video from him for awhile.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

GREAT! And thanks for the comments.

Very nice review ! I own a pair of legacy ll and a pair of heresy Il and although my Advents are a different model The art of blending woofer and tweeter is still evident and the result is a very smooth upper end ! Everyone’s ears are different though and for me I demand a crispier upper end where instruments and vocals are more pronounced and forward so I prefer the Heresys, I drive them with a Yamaha A-S501.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Very nice! Thanks so much for the comments.

I worked at Tower Records from 1978-1985, and each store I was at had Klipsch "Klipschhorn" speakers... WONDERFUL .

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

They are legendary.

@dr.jamesolack8504

Жыл бұрын

@zelphx *”Klipschorn”.

Just discovered your channel. I appreciate your channel because I also have a concentration in vintage. Your collection is off the charts. Pretty amazing. I have Mac MC2155, MC2002, C26, C31V, MX115, OLA, ADS L710. Last but not least, Sansui 5000, Nikko 4030 (was my first). I love my Advents but my ADS are truly great. I was wondering if you’ve had experience with them?

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard. I alluded to it in my overview video of my audio room, but I have a fairly good number of speakers that I plan to review. ADS are incredible speakers and I highly recommend them, partially because the drivers can still be rebuilt if any fail. I have owned quite a number of them over the years and currently have L710, L810, 910, L470 and 300. I am planning to do several videos of them, some head to head against the Advents, but also an all ADS (and Braun) comparison with several sets setup in the room. Should be interesting.

@stevezeidman7224

Жыл бұрын

@@stereoniche Wow, you have one of the grail ADS. The 910s. I’ve never heard them but people rave.

My grail speaker I use for comparisons are my spendor sa500 Contenders were esl57, swanIV and several homemade vifa and dynaudio systems. Gotta add...the "home base is advents" idea is pure genius!!

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Art!

Hey, I like your channel! I had some Heresy I's for awhile. Here's my take: with a tube amp, listening to a wailing sax like on Pink Floyd Money, LOUD, they will give you goosebumps. Horn speakers naturally excel at reproducing sax and other horn instruments.. Imaging and muddiness can be improved by getting rid of the giant oil-can crossover caps and replacing them with modern electrolytic caps. They are very, very directional. You must point them correctly and listen in that spot. Amazing and worth owning but I let them go as I'm trying for quality with less volume and a bigger sweet spot for listening.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

A tube amp setup is definitely going to be done. I'm thinking perhaps a session with several efficient speakers, like the Frazier Concerto, would be fun.

Have had both. The Klipsch with a sub is a concert hall, pretty easy to drive and can play loud. The Advents always put a smile on my face, great boxes of sound. Lived to have a stacked set, that requires a serious under 4 ohm stable amp. So many classic speakers to experience. I have some ESS now. While you are in the neighborhood myswell review the A25. That and the Advents were some of the best bang for your buck. Some of the vintage KLH's fly under the radar. I found AR's don't age that well and need gobs of power, but when working properly are very classy. I made some Frankenstein speakers with all the parts I have salvaged. Once in a while it turns out well with some decent synergy.

@Old_Sailor85

7 ай бұрын

You can run two pair wired in series for 16 ohms. I've tried both ways.

I love my Heresys and agree with your assessment. Altough Heresys are powered by a recapped Heathkit AA30 El84 stereo amp and not solid state. My preamp is a tube based DIY Tubes4hifif SP8. My music of choice is jazz, which sounds fantastic on Heresys and tubes. My speakers were recently recapped and are raised up about 24-inches on stands but, due to the bass not being what it should, are augmented with a stereo pair of SVS SB 1000 subs. So I guess that makes my system bi-amped. And like you, I think there are other speakers that image better. However, if you want something to play small group music on such as jazz and get the feeling you are sitting in some small juke joint then I cannot recommend much anything else that could sound better. Heresys on tubes are just plain fun.

I had a pair of Heresy’s back in high school! Graduated 20 years after to Klipschorns and then after moving to a smaller space bought my first pair of Cornwalls! I do believe, sonically, the Cornwalls are superior

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

I've not yet had any Cornwalls, but will setup the Klipschorns for a review at some point.

I enjoy your videos doing the head to head comparison with the New Advents, which I have as a pair of daily listeners. I can't recall on which position you have your crossover switch set to; Deceased, Normal or Increased. I'm usually set to increased, but looking at the schematic for that speaker the increased position removes all resistors and even the inductor for the woofer, leaving only the .3uF cap in front of the fried egg tweeter. It's amazing!

@stereoniche

25 күн бұрын

Hey Bob. Thanks for watching. They are always set on "Normal" setting for any comparison.

@BobJohnson-tq5vm

25 күн бұрын

@@stereoniche Thank ya!

I have several pairs of Klipsch and love them. I sold my Heresy's.

I find that the Heresey work superior in large rooms. Remember that these were generally the " voice of the theater" , not to be confused with A-7 Altec. They project further and don't start to perform until you get a distance from them.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that feedback.

@scottlowell493

Жыл бұрын

@@stereoniche It's the #1 epic fail. DO NOT put heritage klipsch in a small room, ever. They need to be over 6' apart, and at a distance. That being said, the metal horns are too harsh for me. My enjoyment of the Heresy starts with v2 with tractrix.

Well, since I have the bull nose new large advents, you got my attention with this video. I'd really like to know how they compare to newer speakers, but if you're all vintage, I probably won't find that out here. It's not ideal, but I've tamed the potentially fatiguing highs of the fried egg tweeters with an onkyo a/v amp. I just switched them out for the Laureates to see the difference. They sound pretty good, but I may have to swap them again. Not surprisingly, I get a little more out of the speakers with the bigger woofer - and the Laureates may be a little too warm and hemogeneous with the onkyo... Anyway, I'll check out your other videos when I get a chance. Thanks for the comparison.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

For the most part, correct, I will typically only test them against other vintage models, but I do have a newer set from around 2008 that I will probably review (Vienna Acoustics), just not sure when.

I'm curious as to what gear you are using for the comparisons... just so we can try the same at home and do the Advents sound even better with higher powered receiver/amps...like a Pioneer SX-1250 or something in that ballpark.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Sure. Probably a bit of "heresy" but for amplification, I am actually using the amp shown in the walkthrough of my showroom, an Emotive XPA2 Gen I which is 250 watts/ch @ 8 ohms and 500w at 4 ohms. I had it and because it is stable at 4 ohms, I decided to use it for testing speakers so I don't have to worry about swapping in something else and it has more than sufficient headroom so any speakers will not be limited. For a pre, I am using a Pioneer Elite C-90. Turntable is a Mitsubishi LT-30.

Those original Hereseys have the drivers mounted on the back of the baffle. The sound coming through those smoothly curved horns slam into the square sides of the baffle holes, and huge dispersion problems are inevitable. That is the lack of imaging and smoothness you hear.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Alec for the insightful explanation on why they are lacking in certain areas. Please continue to comment ongoing, much appreciated.

@melyssabailey8935

Жыл бұрын

@@stereoniche the subsequent versions of the Heresy have the drivers mounted on the outside of the baffle and I'm told they sound better. I'm going to audition a pair tomorrow and I'll let you know.😉

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

@@melyssabailey8935 Please keep us updated!

Enjoying your approach with these comparisons. Speakers are very dependent on positioning so you won't get their best representation by listening to each in the same place. It would be better to spend at least a little time with placement to capture a large portion of what each can do. I wouldn't take it to the nth degree, but much can be gained with 10-15 minutes of positioning.

@stereoniche

4 ай бұрын

Indeed. I do move them around a bit, turn them on their sides, etc., if possible, when testing various speakers. Although, for the Heresy set, I did not place them low to the floor angled upwards. That was a miss, but I think I gave them the most real world setup that the vast majority would typically do in their own homes.

Which klipsch was this? I have 1's I believe, they sound pretty great, but I am curious about the improvements made on this model and if they make a significant difference

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

I believe this set to be from the early 80's and a version 1 like your set. Later models mounted the drivers behind the baffle which should offer improved imaging and other upgrades.

@hwccheng

Жыл бұрын

Heresy IV owner here, and I can report that image is excellent and specially with a little toe in. Other audio speakers I can direct compare with are Whafedale Diamond, Pioneer SP-FS52, Mission and Klipsch KG 2.2 and Klipsch KG 4.2 (no longer have it) and Bose 301. Have to say KG 4.2 does not need a sub at all. Heresy IV’s base is adequate and on the musical end, not as smooth as Forte though since I have them side by side one time.

Ive owned both and some of your scores seem off. Have you checked the caps before reviewing? Both are excellent for specific purposes. Listening through 5002s right now.

Just came across your channel. I just got a pair of Forte 1 and they sound great, but the cabinets definitely need some work on them. I'm not really a wood worker. Any advice on finding someone who can refurbish cabinets? Thanks

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

I would start with an antique/vintage furniture store and ask them if they can recommend a refinisher. As well, shops that do any sort of furniture repair, like reupholstery, are also good sources.

Old Klipsch advertising attributed the Heresy name to the fact it was a sealed speaker. All Klipsch's prior were ported in some form.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

That may have been part of the marketing material, but there are references within Klipsch itself that have corroborated the story of how the name came about.

It’s Heresy that you didn’t show the Advents. Thanks for your review.

@stereoniche

24 күн бұрын

Correct. It was the first speaker comparison review I did and I was so concentrating on what to say, I neglected to focus on what to show. 🙂

Heresy's do not belong on stands . Klipsch made angled risers for them as they belong on the floor in or close to the wall or in corners .

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for chiming in. I did make a comment in that regard in the video as well.

@billd9667

Жыл бұрын

They need it for bass reinforcement. I found the older Heresys to be thin and sometimes shrill. I owned double New Advents in the day and they were far superior to the Heresy. They also got really loud when you wanted that - without a sweat with the right amplification. I never reached clipping on a 110w h/k Citation 19 amp. I gave up before they did.

Which cabinet style do your NLAs have? I absolutely love my stacked Advents.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

The Walnut are the model referenced in the video and it is often referred to as the "Bullnose" cabinet due to the front curved walnut face. As my video skills improve, I will start showing them in the video, an oversight on my part. Thanks for the question.

@ianstahl2988

Жыл бұрын

I have a bullnose set myself.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

@@ianstahl2988 I have a set of the earlier OLA Walnut and the Utility cabs, but they both need to be restored/refinished. One day, I want to reveneer the Utility cabs in an interesting wood veneer, but so many projects in queue already. 🙂

@ianstahl2988

Жыл бұрын

I hear you. I’ve got a Hafler dh-101 preamp on my table that I’m restoring now.

Found a pair in a truck going to the dump, wanted to share a cool story. Treasure worth more than gold. Recently dumpster dived for 2 hours in an abandoned movie theater and found electro voice 18'' 7 cubic foot sub along with 7 projector xenon lamb bulbs!

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Abandoned movie theater dumpster diving? That sounds like a LOT of FUN! I would have been right there with you, Thanks for sharing!

When you say New Large Advent, you’re talking about the late 70s bull nose walnut cab with the conventional 10” woofer ( no Formica frame) and fried egg tweeter? Wish Advent were still in business..I have these double stacked on top of 300w subwoofer from Toby..the sound and imaging is amazing ..The fried egg tweeter double row is why this speaker has such amazing midrange…it can be EQd down much lower than conventional tweeters

@stereoniche

7 ай бұрын

Yes indeed. This was my first review and I sort of completely forgot to show what I was comparing it to! LOL

The Adents still hold their own after so many years.

I had the first gen Heresys. Although the highs and mids were smooth, the bass response was severely lacking. Plus they seemed to screech and ear piercing levels at higher volumes. Always gave me listening fatigue. I never did like them. I held on to them for years until a close friend (with a good audio ear) came over and wasn't impressed when he heard them either. Glad I gave them the boot. They were just taking up space. I literally have dozens of speakers lying around that sounded much better.

@stereoniche

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for adding your experience. I hope to find a 2nd gen or later series to see if there is a significant difference.

I would agree with your assessment. I’ve never really cared for the sound of the Heresy speakers.

@stereoniche

10 ай бұрын

Later gens were an improvement, but I think still a bit of an acquired taste.

Try Heresy IV. Y’all won’t be disappointed. BTW, it also work pretty well on a dolly and actually adds to imaging and easy for experiment on toe in.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Henry!

@gdwlaw5549

5 ай бұрын

I have three pairs of modern loudspeakers. I recently tried the Heresy IV and loved them. We live in France and my girlfriend is from Connecticut. She doesn’t care that the loudspeakers are made in the USA…but I do! The voice and mediums were outstanding. I don’t care that much for the low bass.

Why didn't you show any pictures of the winner, the Advents? Also, in my experience the Advents have considerably better bass response and are probably deserving of much more than just a one-point rating difference. I believe they go at least 20 Hertz deeper than the Klipsch.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

It was my first review and I certainly could have done better, no doubt. Subsequent reviews pitting the Advents against other speakers do have them though.

I have always wondered - the older speakers with foam surrounds that rot after 10 -15 years... do the common replacement surrounds come close to original specs, or does that even matter ? ps nice background. brings back flashes of '' wall to wall sound' at most malls. horrid places to listen but Ya could actually touch dozens of amps, speakers, T'tables.... now Adays, near impossible.

@stereoniche

10 ай бұрын

I think most all foams are fairly close in spec, but probably not an exact match. I took inspiration from the old stereo shops when setting up my room.

@bigdaddystinkeye

4 ай бұрын

I replaced the foam surrounds on my Large Advents about 20 years ago. As I remember the fit was really solid and those speakers are still going strong. I bought the replacement surrounds from a company called Simply Speakers. Don't know if they still exist?

I've had Klipsch Vintage Heritage series' stuff for 30+ yrs. I currently have a pair of Black Ash Heresy's w/ attached angle risers,same vintage as yours. Bad quality drivers compared to the Early Heresy's with cast EV woofers,Alnico Atlas or EV mids,Alnico EV T-35 tweeters? That's what I have recreated with some nice looking cabinets like yours! The Ultimate Upgrade is actually a Back Grade! Ha! In credible sounding,with balanced imaging. That's how they were meant to sound. Klipsch got away from the Partnership with Electrovoice that were very instrumental in the success of Klipsch. Well, EV stopped making the 1823(K55M) compression drivers , Klipsch Belle's went out of production as well then. Klipsch starting using cheaper,subbed out drivers,sound suffered.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the background!

@chrispicquet733

Жыл бұрын

@@stereoniche no problem! I loved Klipsch Vintage Heritage stuff for 30 yrs. or so. But I just got into designing/upgrading Horn Loaded Speakers over the last 5yrs, even though I designed a pair of 6.5 " two ways that I feel are the closest things to the Quad ESL 57's that my Audiophile, Certified Quad Tech,and I ever heard! Horns are Fun,but they were scary to mess with at first!

Stacked advents as reference?

I envey you being able to listen to deferent speakers . Back in the day we used to have great stereo/HiFi stores ware we could check out all kinds of equipment like that beautifull wall behind you. Thats like a candy store for old farts like me . I say that proudly😂 more power to old farts everywhere 😂😂😂one more thing those were ten inch woofers on the heresy 1 . I thought you said a twelve inch . I think that came out on the two or three . Great review !

@stereoniche

8 ай бұрын

I set up my room based on inspiration from those great old HiFi shops that were so prevalent in our youth. My mother would go shopping and I would spend hours looking at all the awesome gear dreaming that one day I would have a high end system. Little did I know most of those stores would fade away.

As much as I respect Klipch I will go on Listening and Enjoying my JBL L100 Classic 75s, why? Because I like the Warmer Natural sound from my Pioneer SX1280 ! My Opinion Only, hopefully many will Agree, I checked these Heresy Speakers out beforehand and then made 200 plus Phone Calls and found a set of JBLs

You can always upgrade the hereseys with a better crossover & parts yourself ,or send em to G.R. Research if your so inclinecd?.. just an idea!

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

This is true, but typically, I prefer to keep everything stock for the most part, with exception of replacing bad caps.

@davidmorgen4558

Жыл бұрын

I can dig that! Personely Im not ADanny Richie (G.R. research fan )..Supposedly the encores haveGreat imagie qualitys but very little bass & distort very easily!

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

@@davidmorgen4558 I would hope their newer models image better! :-)

No tubes?!!! Where they on the floor or those stands you are sitting next to? These speakers should be on the floor with risers. Klipsch Hersey not being forward in the midrange? Not in my experience.

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Hey Mark! Thanks for chiming in. I covered how I had them setup in the video and agree that they are typically set with risers on the floor.

Your review says NEW large Advent? New meaning what year?

@stereoniche

6 ай бұрын

When Advents were first released in 1969, they were simply known as the Large Advent. In 1978, Advent released a new version and called it the New Large Advent. :-)

Why are they so pinched in the mid? Sounds like the singers have head colds

Do you really own all of this equipment? Can we be best friends?

@stereoniche

Жыл бұрын

Believe it or not, I do! We will need to work on the best friends part though. :-)

Should have called it The Deafsy.

Someone is making "new" Large Advent??

@stereoniche

9 ай бұрын

Yes indeed... but in 1978. The first Advents came out around 1969 and were just called "The Advent". About 10 years later, an updated version was released, they are known as the "New Large Advent" (NLA). The first series is called the OLA or Original Large Advent to differentiate between them.

@JackT_Music_on_Vinyl

9 ай бұрын

@@stereoniche I own a pair of large advents (as well as a pair of small model 400 Advent speakers) and thought you were indicating someone was making new versions of the larger speaker. I have never heard them called the "new Advent". Thanks for clarifying.

It would be nice if you'd at least play each one for the audience. I thought I was going to get to hear them when I clicked on the video.

"New" large Advent ;)🤪

@stereoniche

9 ай бұрын

Indeed. I guess they knew there would never be a "Newer" Large Advent. :-)

Come on Scott. More sound. Less yappin