Well we have witnessed / heard backing tracks being used to enhance the so-called 'live' experience. We have had confirmation that certain live albums have been 'tinkered' with in the studio and we have bands touring without any original members. We have been duped for years so Avatars are the next logical step in the evolution of removing pure live performance. As someone of a similar vintage to Michael i console myself with the horde of memories i have of being 'there' when the great legendary bands of yore bestrode our planet and PLAYED their instruments and SUNG live.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Perfectly said here Baz! I’m pinning this one! ❤❤❤

@chrisvanuden

7 ай бұрын

Very true, I second that!

@eriksturdevant8589

7 ай бұрын

So, KISS being computer generated is bad, but A.I. engineered, throwaway Beatles' tracks are good? Contradictory. Just another example of elite critics slamming something the general public enjoys, imo.

@Baz63

7 ай бұрын

@@eriksturdevant8589 not sure the public want or are ready yet for computer generated imagery as a concert experience. However interestingly my wife attended an Abba 'concert' using this concept and was mightily impressed so who knows?

@mikecamilli1047

7 ай бұрын

Another money grab by them! When is enough, enough!

Paul and Gene Marketed THE SOUL outta KISS

KISS has become a cartoon in real life.

@giraffesareselfish9563

7 ай бұрын

Remember, these are the same guys who did a Scooby Doo cartoon.

@georgeedward1226

7 ай бұрын

I bought the Kiss comic book printed in their own blood back in the 70s so I won't cast stones at cartoon Kiss.

@giraffesareselfish9563

7 ай бұрын

@georgeedward1226 yeah, but that was cool.

@stevenmaginnis1965

7 ай бұрын

Because they arrived in 1974 with assumed faces and assumed names.

@mooch514

6 ай бұрын

​@@stevenmaginnis196573

Kiss was a band that had a totally unique sound and look,........45 years ago! In high school and in the 70's I had all their albums and saw them many times from the beginning up until the time Ace and Peter left. I haven't bought even 1 album since,....or given them the time of day. They have become a joke to me,...and their reputation ruined by the excessive greed and money grab,....and ENDLESS final tours.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Sadly Steve, I’m hearing this from many KISS fan! I think they have lost their whole sense of reality! ❤❤❤

@Tonymanero1960

7 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Michael,...just curious,..why was your " why we love vinyl"" video taken down from a couple days ago?

@stephenlangsl67

7 ай бұрын

@@Tonymanero1960 There's this saying about The who that seems to be true for Kiss as well. The saying is:,... "The Who never really break up. They just go on very long vacations." The Who's first so-called "farewell tour" was way back in 1982 by the way. And I actually saw them in concert in 2015.

@Tonymanero1960

7 ай бұрын

@@stephenlangsl67 My favorite band of all time is The Who.I followed them passionately up until Keith Moon died,...and did see them with Moon once,....and Kenny Jones once.After that I never cared much about them ,...and once John Entwistle died and they continued to tour I lost respect for them too .

@mooch514

6 ай бұрын

​@@stephenlangsl67yet its ok for other bands to retire. And come back. The stones. Ozzy ...motley crue. Its fine for them ????😮

I was in the kiss army when I was 14 in 76. This is just ridiculous.

The best part was I watched the end of their final concert and instead of, you know, thanking the fans or having an actually thoughtful and heartfelt goodbye, they literally said "we aint going nowhere!" and then proceeded (in character) to give an obviously rehearsed PR speech about their new product. That's KISS for ya. I'd say they are clueless, but they're obviously just shameless.

@lpquagmire3621

7 ай бұрын

Will the avatars be using backing tracks for added authenticity?

@lpquagmire3621

7 ай бұрын

Shameless? They know the fans have more to give.

We all knew this day was coming, gotta keep the money train rolling.

@craigherriot4026

7 ай бұрын

Yep, the floodgates will open now.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Right into the 22nd century Aidan! 😉❤👌

@stevenmaginnis1965

7 ай бұрын

The 1978 solo albums epitomized their greed. A quadruple album masquerading as an artistic solo project. Maybe the Beatles, the original Who, or Crosby, Stills and Nash, groups whose members have all released solo albums at one time or another, could have conjured up a project like this on artistic grounds that was worth pursuing. But not Kiss. When the Kiss Army went AWOL after their disco hit, they should never have gone back.

KISS, PLEASE STOP!! GO AWAY, AND THIS IS COMING FROM A KISS FAN SINCE 1977!!

KISS reminds me of an early Zappa/Mothers album, We’re Only In It For The Money! I like the Memorex reference Michael, wonder how many people got it 🤔

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

LOL! Yeah I thought about that when I used the line Brad! 😉 That’s why I include the picture of the ad!❤❤❤

@bradb3248

7 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Didn’t they have Ella Fitzgerald in some of the ads? I can remember all this stuff from the 70s, but forget why I went to the kitchen 😂

@Michael_J_McLemore

7 ай бұрын

I got it!!! ...mjm...

@ababab28

7 ай бұрын

I'm more of a Maxell guy myself ;)

When the avatars issue their first live album it's going to be EPIC!

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

LOL! They’ll just dial up new material with the help of their daddy AI Quagmire! 😂❤🎉

@joneejonee

7 ай бұрын

NOT

@martinkasper197

7 ай бұрын

It's going to be AIpic...🤣🤣🤣

@TheJimbo1791

6 ай бұрын

It is going to be vomit and shit mixed together with LOADS of greed. And stupidity.

@hinduismwithpremananddasbhagat

6 ай бұрын

Given there won't be any new music coming out of the band, expect a whole Live Series! Live V, Live VI .... Live X .... Live XXX! LOL

I truly feel sorry for any future generations that’ll only have this option to ever see Kiss “live”, glad that I started to attend gigs in the early 2000’s. All bands and musicians are constrained only by our own mortality, this method of prolonging the concert experience cheapens their legacy deeply.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Thanx for your input Crowded! A mere wisp of what they were indeed! ❤❤❤

No way I will ever pay good money for an avatar show. When I attend a show I want to watch and listen to the real thing, i.e. real musicians performing live.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Spot-freakin’-on MIB! I’m with you on this one! ❤❤❤

@giraffesareselfish9563

7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, a lot of people will. They have no problem with live shows not being live. Hell, a lot of people think that's Ace and Peter up there. Stanley and Simmons really are shameless.

@alexandrostsipras8787

7 ай бұрын

I,m with you on this too.

I can't wait to hear what Ace has to say

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

He really called this one! Just days ago on Sirius XM he said they’d be back! ❤❤❤

@TranceMasterJack

7 ай бұрын

Ack!

To be honest I’d rather see a Official Kiss band, like a tribute band but with Gene and Paul’s approval. I guess Gene and Paul don’t wanna pay 4 guys 🤦‍♂️

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

And they would look REAL to boot MrLennonAxl! ❤❤❤

@Peter-bx7ip

7 ай бұрын

Authorizing replacements goes into the possibility that those people misbehave and jeopardize the brand.

To be honest, the difference between Avatars up on stage and actual humans faking it to backing tracks is minimal. At least one is honest

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

LOL prd! Which one??? 😉👌❤

KISS used to roll through Indy 4 or 5 times a year, I saw em 16 times by the Destroyer tour. So I lived the glory days, saw the transformation from opener to headliner and am cool with the memories. Count me out of an avatar tour. Now a authorized tribute band with all the props at 35 to 50 a show, we can talk!

I agree. You hit it right on the head. To me, The Kiss train has finally came to an end. And I think it's better this way. It will never take the place of the concerts I've seen in 76 or 79. Just saying.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Yeah this is a bit too much Back to the Future 2 for me Jef! ❤❤❤

The only way maybe this would work for me, is when they would drop the superhero avatars, and would create the original line-up performing on the Alive II stage, or even earlier. So that fans that were too young in 1977 can experience that show. For a fee that you pay when you go see a movie,certainly not the ticketprices we have to pay for a live show nowadays. But if it’s going to be cyber superheroes and all that.. maybe they SHOULD call the band Piss…

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

These avatars should be of the original lineup IMHO Chris! Ace,Ace, Ace!!!❤❤❤

@chrisvanuden

7 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Thank you Michael! Greetings from The Netherlands and keep up the good work 😊

@walterevans5658

7 ай бұрын

This seems to be the only way it might have some value. Instead of just a generic KISS show, like you said, a recreation of 1975 show. Or even other iconic shows. Maybe relive a Monterrey Pop Festival set through VR or something, or a Woodstock set of a certain band.

@aracelymoran2504

7 ай бұрын

+ @chrisvanuden I was thinking the same thing, like what can we do for posterity. Only way it can have value. A live movie of sorts. But it can only work if fans who remember them between 70s-2000s circa can pay to experience what other actually witnessed LIVE (As a Mac fan, i would pay the money to see Rumors Era FM live with all its energy, antics and fashion, or Tusk period fashion and energy live, and Mirage period. Sadly, no Tango because there is no Lindsey live.). But as us fans of Rock die off, who among Gen Z and after will want to go see the Avatars if they don't listen or been exposed to that music of those bands, and those bands are not getting any attention and airplay? It will go out of business eventually if the Avatar Bands are not marketable.

When the only actual KISS member's DNA present is in the comic book ink ...

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

LOL! Great point foulowl! ❤❤❤

I actually find this distressing. However, with the decline of the music industry as we knew it, this becomes simply one more permutation designed to market a product and separate the less discriminating customers from their cash. My feeling is that when a band succumbs to this temptation, their legacy is tarnished. I don't wish that on any icons we knew and loved. And I'm profoundly disappointed in musical performers who allow this to occur. (I guess...they are just short of spending money?...)

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Amen to everything you say here DiviningDragon! ❤❤❤

Michael I've been a Kiss fan for a very long time. But I'm a fan who liked what Ace Frehley brought to the band. My saying is Ace is the only true 'rockstar' in Kiss. The failure of the 'Avatar Kiss' is simple. And all you need to do is study how ABBA approached this style of entertainment. ABBA focused on what's seen as 'classic ABBA' the band in their prime, the ABBA we all want to see. Unfortunately Kiss have produced an 'Avatar Band' that's devoid of the classic Kiss era we all want to see. If the new show was set as Kiss in the 1975 to 1977 era and was a faithful reproduction of the primal Kiss energy at that time i'm pretty certain it would be very popular. BUT, and it's a huge BUT because Paul & Gene have successfully snubbed Ace & Peter during the EOTR tour the chances of Ace & Peter surrendering themselves to be 'Avatared' (new word) is basically zero. Gene would fully understand how much money Ace & Peter can bring to the vault. That was proven in the 96 / 97 tour. Were still waiting for Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer to pen some new Kiss classics. To me that really exposes their weaknesses in Kiss as a band. But then again they were just paid stooges who were reliable and just always said YES.

@aracelymoran2504

7 ай бұрын

@leokimvideo Great point !!! Those two guys sound like the two guitarists who replaced LB in Fleetwood Mac. In the end, became paid stooges who were reliable just for a tour, making the band a cover band of sorts, and they were either unable or unwilling to make new music and create new classics with the rest of the Classic line up. Didn't want the hassle and felt no chemistry, or the footsteps of Lindsey too hard to follow.

@TheJimbo1791

6 ай бұрын

EXCACTLY. Saw the Abba Voyage. It had taste, class and i must say to my surprise it was just full of emotion and as big experience as I could get with my daughter of Abba concert. As far as I see Kiss trying: DEAR LORD it looks like a bad video game. And Tommy and Eric as avatars? Great Gene and Paul your bad taste is legendary. You had it in the seventies but after that, what a trashcan.

There are a couple of takeaways from this. One being that of course this is just more greed that exposes KISS is a business and not a band, which we already knew. The other is that if bands like them keep doing this, it could even further destroy the following generations. They already can barely get played on radio, because stations won't give up on playing stuff from the 70s-90s, but now the concert stages may never open up for them either. We can't move on if the past never fades away.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Great points here bgm! This doesn’t bode well for Rock fans!❤❤❤

@stevenmaginnis1965

7 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine We think rappers and hip-hop/R&B fans are out to destroy rock and roll, like when Beyoncé's husband said that back in the late '80s, the hair bands of the time would be so easy for him and his fellow rappers to take out - TAKE OUT? - or when Kanye West calls rap the new rock and roll. No, actually we're destroying rock ourselves. We should give newer and unheard-of bands a chance. If you do, you might find something interesting, like a concept album about the film career of B-movie actress Roberta Collins. Oh, wait - I already have! The link is right here! music.kzread.info/head/OLAK5uy_kjDmETDjRTMbNXW21bB4Q0r3f8_waYv0Y

They have always been a Disney ride ,a show not music I enjoyed. Never where fooled by an act.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Ditto Michael! ❤❤❤

Hey Michael. Allow me to start off by saying I haven't been on top of a mountain somewhere but I'm surrounded by them where I live in Pennsylvania. I don't know what the Avatar version of Kiss is. Ok...that said, right before Covid hit, I saw a "Live" performance by Frank Zappa. This was in 2019. The technology existed where a very realistic looking Frank Zappa gave a fabulous performance. Frank's live image had to remain between two electronic projecting posts. All the other band members were live performers who actually performed with Frank in the past. Ahmet Zappa was one of the players. For some of those shows, Steve Vai played guitar live and in person also. There was a fabulous light show that was included with the performance. I have to say that a good time was had by all. Now, Frank was way ahead of his time and he recorded those performances when he was alive for just that kind of show in mind. So...Michael, would you be interested in a show like that with ohhh, lets say Kiss or Led Zeppelin? How about...dare I say...Elvis riding onto a stage in his cadillac then performong his Vegas act? Incidentally, also before Covid, there was a show by Ronnie James Dio planned in that exact vein. I don't believe that grand piece of entertainment ever came to fruition. My guess is that a show like that would work best with a solo artist like Dio, Elvis or Yoko Ono. Who would ever miss a show by Ms. Ono shrieking away in her prime?

KISS was my first concert in 1978. Sadly, thay have stayed at the party too long.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

I think you’re so right Rod! So sad! ❤❤❤

When I heard about this announcement I literally laughed out loud “haha! That’s ol gene man, he’s going to come up with some scheme no matter how ridiculous to get more money”

"This way to the Egress" P.T. Barnum...I'll just watch the FREE '79 Tom Snyder interview with the look on Gene's face, priceless

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

I saw that interview Io! Ace was really on fire that night! ❤❤❤

Thanks for the warning. Holograms "performing" are an insult to our intelligence

It is what it is. Kiss stopped doing concerts in 1976. That's when they started doing shows. They're two totally different things. A Kiss show really is the circus coming to town. I've seen Kiss 7 times over the years. It's a magnificent show; almost the same ting every time. And that's great. It's A/V comfort food. When I saw Kiss announcing avatars, I laughed. "Of course!", I chuckled. Will I see this version? If the price is low enough? Sure. It's basically the Kiss Pyro and light crew going on tour. Good on 'em for keeping them employed. Lastly, Elvis did go on tour about 20 years ago. It was the band, backup singers, the crew, and video of him from Hawaii. A spotlight showed where he would have been onstage and, if you weren't in the first 10 rows, you wouldn't have known Elvis wasn't actually there.

I am a KISS fan, well a KISS fan of their original music. They played a big part in my music listening history as a kid and Ace was the guitarist that made me want to buy my first guitar. BUT...this new era thing is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I also think it's real slap in the face to Peter and Ace.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

I agree VideoPro! ❤❤❤

Instead to 2 fakes on stage, you get 4 now... as avatars.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

LOL! Perfectly said detpak! ❤❤❤

New subscriber now. Love what your laying down...

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard Jeff! So glad you checked in brother! ❤❤❤

I turned in my KISS ARMY card after the first farewell tour. You nailed it. It s MJ Disneyland Capt. EO all over again. So very very sad. It’s all about the money for the Greedy Twins. 🤮

Im thankful to KISS for giving me 50 years of music, live experiences and entertainment. I accept whatever thing comes from KISS for me to enjoy. i love KISS Forever.

KISS meets the Phantom again...Only this time KISS is the Phantom.....This didn't work that well the first time lol

Gene still can't take it with him. 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

He’s gonna try though MetalHead! Sad! ❤❤❤

@TranceMasterJack

7 ай бұрын

But they're immortal now!

I'm a music guy... If you don't have all of the original band members including the original bass and drums... I don't care... I'm not interested in it... Exception being The Who, who are a completely different animal than the original but STILL amaze me in live performance.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

A-freakin’-men Garth! Give us who we fell in love with to begin with brother! ❤❤❤

@ababab28

7 ай бұрын

John Entwistle died right before I saw the Who... still one of the greatest concerts I've ever seen (shout out Pino Palladino). I'm unfortunately a little too young to have seen most my favorite bands in tact and in their prime, so I have had to see most of them in bits and pieces. I'd still recommend it :)

Heres the deal. When you see a live show with your favorite performers whether it be Led Zeppelin, KISS, Van Halen, etc, they are giving you live energy. You in turn thankful for this live energy, give energy back to the people on stage in the form of cheering, standing up, whistling, lighters on, etc. They give energy to you, you cheer them on thankful for the show. They hear you cheer for them and hopefully they turn up the energy for you, the live crowd. Its synergetic, symbiotic. The energy goes in a live loop. Having avatars or holograms on stage breaks this energy loop. Because there is no one on stage to cheer for. You are basically seeing an exhibit. A movie. Now you can go to a museum and see the KISS exhibit. 4 holograms standing there, maybe strumming their guitars. That would be interesting. But you watch for a few minutes, then move on to the next part of the exhibit. A good era for the KISS live show? You would need a time machine. Late 1970s when they were on top of the world, and the tour where they put thier makeup back on in the (kiss) 'The Alive/Worldwide Tour' in 1996-7. No one could believe that KISS was back touring with Ace and Peter. People in lines were with their kids showing them what a real rock experience was like. The lights went out, then the best band in the land announcement, then ACE comes out with his guitar. The energy went nuts. Everyone was reliving their youth. Energy flowing from the performers on stage to the audience and back again. This avatar deal is hubris. Its overreach self importance. No one is going to see an avatar show. The energy will be totally off. No one is going to cheer holograms. The people that do go will sit there like a movie knowing no one is really up on stage. I saw KISS about 10 times live and also saw thier 1996 reunion show where they put the makeup back on. It was amazing. They retired, and as far as I'm concerned, that's it for me too.

50 years later 70-year-old men put on the best live show in Rock.

Im guessing a lot of the comments here are from the US? Here in the UK we've had the Abba Voyage tour playing here regularly for a year or so now, using the same technology. It sells out every show. The tech involved isnt a hologram but projects onto a weird screen on the stage and the members look real, interact real and the vocal tracks go to a live band playing to the side of them. Its a massive show and there are people who go again and again, and I think this is what Kiss are going for. The clip on saturday was film projected onto an ordinary screen so doesnt show it off. So it could be an interesting show, but I dont see a live band playing with the vocals?? So who knows? We find out when we get there. But if its like Abba it sells, look it up on youtube.,

Forget Disney, how about Vegas? When the KISS Hotel and Casino opens with this show in the main showroom, I'll be there. It's like seeing The Beatles LOVE show at the Mirage (which is awesome, by the way).

I think the goal..here is for Kiss to enter a new realm of performance ART...cartoons, avatars ..us older guys don't care about this nonsense, but the show must go ON........📸 🎞🎞🎞🎞

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

And on, and on, and… And they told 2 friends, and so on, and so on, and… Thanx ZRATAN!

@joneejonee

7 ай бұрын

In this case the show must NOT go on.

I have no problem with KISS doing this. They were always more specticle than a real band. The fact they haven't recorded anything in two decades but were still performing all this time is testament to that. As for Peter and Ace, they left the band a long time ago. Tommy and the other guy have put up with Gene and Paul longer than anyone else so they deserve their time in the spotlight. I think it's the right decision. Everyone has gotten so creaky and old, in 2024 and beyond, I'd rather see their avatars.

@ThePedroDB

7 ай бұрын

I agree. I've seen KISS a similar amount of times since the late 70's and finally decided "enough is enough" after the Psycho Circus tour. It was pretty the same show by that stage. If similar tech can work for ABBA, it can also give us "The Hottest Avatars in the World!"

@Pookiestud

7 ай бұрын

I agree! Well said. Depending on ticket prices, I’d go to see this. It looks kind of cool, actually. I was lucky enough to see the original 4 AND the current lineup, so I wouldn’t be opposed to this idea because I already saw those shows and have those memories. KISS is unique in the way that the presentation came first and the music second.

@briana_patrick

7 ай бұрын

I'd go to see it if they can do something about Paul Stanley's shrill creaky voice 😂 cuz i cant sit through 2 and a half hours of that.

Hold on, I might go see Elvis Presley's Cadillac at a car show, but not likely KISS avatars!

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

LOL! And a lot of people did Robby! ❤❤❤

@stevenmaginnis1965

7 ай бұрын

Elvis Presley's Continental Mark II was shown at auto shows in 2022.

You guys have done all you can do! Sleep time, guys. The 00's should have been the red flag.

That was interesting!!

I was soooo waiting for Michael's take.. and expectations hit the mark! lollo The music purist with KISS avatars? easy call lolol

Before: KI⚡⚡ After: JOKE 🃏

Abner Devereaux finally got his clones after 50 yrs!! 😂😂

Good Grief man. ABBA has done Avatars already and had done well. Kiss Brand had the funds to do many more of these venues and give Classic Rock new life. The current music industry is pretty much dead. This is the future.

All I can say is, “Nope”.

To me Kiss as a band is done. I’ve been a fan since 76 right up through last weekend. But I have no desire to see this next era of them. Now if I want to experience KISS live I will go to a tribute band’s show.

A Disney ride is an accurate analogy. KISS has obviously done their marketing research to the extent of where and who the KISS brand will go and appeal to in the future. KISS should ask for their money back on that one. The Dec. 2nd MSG show was good at face-value, and to be honest my 60 year-old self was on the edge of my seat when KISS disappeared into the 'mists of time' at the end of Rock and Roll Al Nite. It was so anticlimactic when 'the new era' reveal was nothing more than a glorified video game, what a slap in the face for lifelong fans. Something real KISS believers will NEVER pay good money to see.

I'm looking forward to it .why not ? Sounds fun 😊.

I was a huge kiss fan when I was kid. Namely for the spectacle they represented. Key word Represented. No they weren't the best musicians ever but man did they know how to get your attention and put on a show. This shit is like watching a loved one you care about on life support and wonder why would they want to hang on and someone should really just pull the plug.

I would like to speak in defense of Carl Palmers ELP legacy for a moment. They were never billed as ELP. They are a tribute band. As they should be. They just happen to have the only surviving member. I have seen them twice and both times they put on a great show! Paul Bielatowicz is an incredible guitarist and showman. They have technology that makes his guitar sound just like Keith's organ. And Paul plays Keith's parts excellently! I never left the show feeling cheated. Paul is my favorite living guitar player! Give 'em a chance Mike!✌

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Are you listening KISS? This is your fan base guys! ❤❤❤

@gregtapevideo1464

6 ай бұрын

​@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLinein my mind kiss was never a real band. Sorry.

It's only reasonable for a THEME PARK ATTRACTION.. NOT! for a live event where people save up for months and pay BIG, hard earned money to see their favourite band..to experience a LIVE SHOW where each night is unique, and at the end you possibly catch a guitar pick or drum stick. That is MAGIC..Avatars are merely.. MEMOREX.

No surprise...in my eyes...they were already kind of avatars!...kind of ghostly creatures comin' from another time...in a nostalgia-cash circus... not that funny...tour with new material or stay where you are,that's what I wanna say to all these Legendary acts

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

LOL! I think they’ve been Avatars longer than they’ve been a pain in the ass Stephane! Where do we go from here? ❤❤❤

Captain Eo was not a ride. it was more of an attraction. there is a different between a ride and attraction. Captain Eo was more to do with the updating the Kodak 3D attraction at Epcot at the time. speaking of Epcot. you should look up what the damn place Dinsey himself had in mind for. it pretty interesting if you get bored of kiss news.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

It was an E ticket attraction as I recall Chris! ❤❤❤

I think things are taken too far. But I guess if people want it and pay to have this then it is alright. I'm just not going myself.

The Johnny Cash live experience is coming to town. It features a video of Johnny with a guitarist who played with him at some point (don't know when, certainly not the Tennessee Two or Three) and a bunch of session folks. So, nobody. My gf loves Cash. I'm a fan of his early rockabilly days being an upright bassist. We're like: no. Its at a huge venue that will be expensive. If it was the Elvis TCB Band, which still has many original members, that might be something, but otherwise - its a joke. Why spend nearly $100 to see some nobodies with videos we may have seen on youtube??

I'm thinking about doing a avatar of baba O'Riley for the radio. Haven't exactly figured how that's going to work out yet but, you know

I can even see KISS taking this one step further announcing a "new studio album " to accompany this. However I can see this "studio" album being total AI using samples of Paul and Gene's voices circa 1983

Kiss makes me SICK !!!

They are one of my favourite bands but hey man!

im not sure how it works .So if you go see them now its on a movie screen like a concert movie ? Happy Holidays

I am fine with this "New Era" KISS is the best band that can pull this off. Remember the comic book? It is a show and KISS has delivered that and you can't argue that. They are like cartoon characters so its perfect its a smart move for the future of the "brand". Seems like every one forgot Beatle-mania that toured and did a reenactment of the Beatles show. One thing that at least I have not heard is that Gene or Paul have not brought up or given props to the other members of KISS. Ace & Peter get their credit as they should but what about Eric "The Fox" Carr or Vinnie Vincent, Bruce Kulick or Mark St. John. Now I might of missed it but was there was not any recognition for their contributions over the years? Anyway sorry went off topic. As for this New Era....and speaking as a KISS fan for the last 46 years I say lets see what you got it could be very cool and ground breaking in the future of music/bands after they are gone or yes very cheesy Disney style. We shall see but as I said KISS is the perfect band to do this at this moment. Oh and BTW the two hosts they had for the PPV live show from MSG were awful, fake, out of touch and had the worst questions and cheesy as hell. Who the heck hired them? LOL

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

The only problem is that the comic had more real KISS blood than these Avatars Vance! 😉❤❤ Besides if we wanted soulless versions of KISS we will always have their made for TV movie! I liked them better in Scooby Doo brother!

@zeppearl

7 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine 😂🤣😂 Good one with the blood. Well like I said we shall see how this turns out. My first notice was the "Catman" had no bass drums in his "new era" kit LOL

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

@@zeppearl I have to admit genes wings looked awesome!

Talk about beating a dead horse. 🐴 It’s all about the $$

It is not Kiss Without Ace and Peter... That's The Bottom Line.. Michael J McLemore

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

I second that motion Michael! ❤❤❤

@Michael_J_McLemore

7 ай бұрын

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Also Brother Noland, There has been no mention of The Fox Eric Carr who was very much a part of Kiss throughout the 80's and 90's until his death. He became a loved member of Kiss.. By no means am I dising the musicians currently in kiss. However, I think Gene has turned the True Spirit Of Kiss into a perversion of what Kiss once was. I will always remember Ace, Peter and Eric.... ...mjm...

I'm curious because the KISS-ology lends itself nicely to other forms of media. The four characters transcend the flesh and bone counterparts. I only hope they make some kind of reference to Eric Carr, Mark St. John, and the Kulick Bros. If all goes well, Ace and Peter may be more likely to get involved. And then there's Vinnie..

I could never support what amounts to a cartoon. Thats all this would be. What's next?

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

But Gene can fly now Royce! 😉👌❤😂😂😂😂

@royceinthehouse842

7 ай бұрын

I might have to reconsider now!@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

I love to play a lot of Kiss’s music on guitar. Like you, I own a couple of Kiss records. I bought the ppv, basically because I thought they were lying and Ace would show. I was curious to see who the new Kiss were going to be to. Didn’t think it would be AI. Well, the show sucked too. I’m not angry about the new era. I won’t be consuming though. Kind of like with gluten.

Whose to really say? Every fan has different timeline/experience with their favorite rock bands. Strong bands are able to forge different eras. KISS are ultimately a strong band that has built something genuinely special over 50 years. New technology alarms some people; others get excited about the new realm of possibilities. As a KISS fan who came into their experience during the 1980s I can confirm that they had great musicians/ shows/songs/albums post---1970s. I saw several tours starting with Asylum. Avatars present a way to experience them in a whole new way. This is true immortality. I am onboard with it!

@joeanthony7759

7 ай бұрын

What possibilities? It's not the techno;ogy so much as how they're applying it that's lame.

I wonder when exactly was the last time Gene and Paul actually cared about the MUSIC they were supposedly making, rather than it just being a cash cow to be endlessly milked? They are businessmen first and foremost, and this is their product. True to some extent for all musicians that try to make a living with their art, but these guys are on a completely different level; one that constantly goes down.

Someone had the not-so -bright idea of having a Whitney Houston hologram tour, where you would pay to see a Whitney Houston concert performed by a hologramatic image of her. It never happened. Why? Because it was planned for the spring or summer of 2020, but then COVID hit. That meant the audience needed to be holograms.

A.I. Video is progressing so fast these motion captured avatars will be dropped in a very few years. Imagine 10 years from now a 15 year old whose great grandfather always talks about that awesome KISS show he saw in 1976 or whatever. That teen isn't gonna google for some avatars off on a new story arc they want to experience that 1976 show. A.I will create "an" experience of that 1976 show regardless of whether any audio or video of that show exists.

I won't go until we get a live action version of Kiss vs the Phantom. The people demand.

@bj4505

7 ай бұрын

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@joneejonee

7 ай бұрын

Now your talking.

I believe a lord of musicians and movie stars will do this this is probably the future weather good or bad

Maybe the avatar shows can bring the shows into a new realm. An animated Kiss show that goes deeply into fantasy world. The animations can show us The Demon's place in the underworld etc. The animations can go to places real life just can't.

i'm still plssed that the black gent, Alan Oliney, who played Ace in the movie never gets his credit. you can clearly see him in some scenes...lol

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Ace has been the on guy I have had respect for outta the whole bunch Kenny! 😂❤😂❤

After Creatures Of The Night I was done with KISS. Saw the reunion and farewell tours twice each. Not interested in this new KISS format. Great video Thank You.

i only give Kiss credit for this crap because once again EVERYONE is talking about this and they get all this free publicity regardless of the joke this amounts to.

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I’m stirring at embers better left to die Salin! Oops! 😉❤❤

So...KISS being computer generated is is bad...but A.I. engineered throwaway Beatles' tracks are good? Suss.

@zeppearl

7 ай бұрын

BOOM !!!! Very good point !!!!!

@eriksturdevant8589

7 ай бұрын

@@zeppearl 👍

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

AI generated anything sucks Erik! Now and Then was.t rue AI! ❤❤❤

@eriksturdevant8589

7 ай бұрын

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine 👍

Huge/long term Kiss fan here. I hate this. Kiss has had a tough enough time proving their musical skills but we loved the image and show- this goes to far. It totally takes the entire "band" vibe out of the equation and makes them cartoons. This is how they go out? good God

Kiss talked about this for The last five years. There will be many suckers. Cash out for it

When we're all dead, and anyone who remember Kiss from the 70's, will a new generation really be turned on to the band via Avatars? I mean, it'll be computer generated images of a band from what will be long ago (like us today listening to Robert Johnson or Bing Crosby), that isn't putting out new music. So, what's the grab? While other bands are starting to do avatars and virtual concerts. So, this is not new. I can't see this as being anything amazing. I mean, how does Avatar Kiss compete against other avatars that are putting out new music? While anyone who becomes a Kiss fan will want an avatar of Peter & Ace~!

Seen them live front row four times over three decades and met Simmons. This will be ground breaking. If you think they could avatar them like sole say 75/77/80 or whatever, like split the shows over eras mixed with the super hero avatars. Don't you think Queen, Zeppelin etc etc wouldn't do this? The doors. Im sure this A.J digital thing will blow up and become huge. Kiss have stolen a march I'm guessing.

I also have to add"GET OFF THAT RIDE!"

Simmons cried us a river, about Rock is dead! Now he finally helps burrying it!

😆😆😆 and The KI$$ Kash Kow keeps on grifting!!! 😆😆😆

Michael, I’m so torn with this! On one hand I see the state of today’s music business and the current artists that are out there and it makes me wanna puke. So call me an old fogie, but I want the great rock ‘n’ roll artists from my youth to still go on forever. I want to see Beatles music live, I want to see great power, pop live, I want to see awesome classic rock live. But unfortunately, all my heroes are aging out or passing away. So what is left?…just tribute bands, cover bands, or avatars! On the other hand, however, I see avatar shows as the destruction of live pure music in its best form. We eventually get nothing but avatars and special light show presentations with pre-recorded tracks, and no live playing in concert settings? Who knows! This seems bad. Or we can get into current, younger, rock bands like The Midnight Callers and put them in the mainstream instead of struggling underground! Yeah they actually play their instruments and sing great rock n roll LIVE!!!!! What a concept!! Cheers 🍻 Matt

@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine

7 ай бұрын

Great comment here Mathew! We are all living in a giant video game, and KISS shal show us the way brother! 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

They could've Let the tribute Bands that are out in the world carry on the legacy,. The introduction of the avatars are not one of their brightest moments. They also they could've introduced new members to the band to carry on the characters, but they just wanted to make more money, I will always love KISS, but they could've done other ways to carry on their Legacy.

Yeah I think it's kind of silly the avatars Brother. I grew up with Kiss back when I was a kid, but they became all about the money after that.

Ironic that Gene and Paul, the most materialistic duo in the universe are now trying to sell us a hologram band. Trying to tell us that Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer are the immortal versions of the Spaceman and the Cat? Congratulations Gene and Paul. You have settled the debate on whether or not you have ANY respect for the fans that built your extremely charmed lives. You do NOT.

The world has gone mad!

So Stanley and Simmons will keep the cash operation flowing except now they don’t have to pay their sideman other than using a cartoon likeness

Gawd, will we EVER be rid of them? LOL

I don’t think they will get. Big crowds for this !

That's who they'll eventually sell it to. Them or Universal Studios for the theme parks. That'll be Gene and Paul's last cash out. It's a stupid idea unless it ends up at Disney or Universal. Touring this stuff? Ha! They can try it.

I have never understood what people see in this band.