Hi! We're the developers of Kinstrife, really cool to see our game on here! Your video is a very fair assessment of the current state of the game and what we've been showcasing. Group AI for example is in very early stages as we've mainly focused on single combat so far. We also agree that the physics-based combat still has its fair share of jank, but you can expect this to improve with time! The good part is that there are already plenty of moments that are only possible with physics-based animations, like weapons getting stuck etc. - and you get an incredible amount of variety in combat interactions out of the box. We'll make sure to highlight these things in some more detail in a future devlog!

@beverlyblanton6031

4 ай бұрын

Are you guys planning on adding modding support? I feel this game could have some really good mods

@Kinstrife

4 ай бұрын

@@beverlyblanton6031 Absolutely, having been modders ourselves this is a priority for us. We have factored in moddability with our existing tech and continue to do so during development.

@danielosullivan7205

4 ай бұрын

Very intrigued by this game, as I love the genre but I can't help thinking of human fall flat when I see the characters moving around but I will say I don't expect it to be this way when you launch the game. Keep up the good work

@waltermccracken3573

4 ай бұрын

Hey so I know you wanna stay away from canned animations, but what if, (since humans have a large amount of control over their bodies, which doesn't seem to be the case with the characters), you made animations for body movements but allowed physics to act on the weapons, feet etc., kinda like Rockstar's Euphoria engine, where it isn't just generic animations but still has the structure that a real human has

@Suprshortman

4 ай бұрын

will this be supported on console?

In their discord they have a lot of focus on historical accuracy which is what i am really looking forward to. The combat although a bit janky looks promising to me, sure it needs work and time but the devs are not rushing it.

@leetlc441

4 ай бұрын

See the issue with toting "historical accuracy" is how no game has achieved organized combat accurately, ever, in any game. Sure, in 1v1s there would be hacking and slashing, but in group battles there would be very little "fighting" at all. Opposing sides would taunt each other, and blades would be brandished and flourished as a part of that, but most of the time it would come down to which side got tired, scared, or initiated combat first, then within minutes one side typically broke and retreated which is what actually led to the most casualties.

@manueltoloza6007

4 ай бұрын

@@leetlc441 I dont know wich battles you are refering to, im guessing you mean small battles then yeah thats how they went but in the 11th century full scale battles lasted hours, most famously the battle of hastings lasted about 9 hours. But yeah smaller skirmishes of around 100 men i guess would be shorter, dunno if just a few minutes tho. It is true tho that its kind of a difficult prospect to go the historical accurate route in medieval gemes for the reason you mention, in reality is not very epic, certainly not like the movies charging into the enemy like madmen, its fomations, skirmishing, trying to poke at the enemy with a spear in a tight shield formation and using cavarly to harass the sides, im guessing its why kindom come deliverance seem to have cut out the full scale battle they advertised in the trailer.

what?! no cohesion? and you compare it to mordhau with no cohesion at all there everyone is running around without teamplay. Kinstrifes battles looks really nice and realistic. Perhaps hey look a bit drunk now but i rather play in realistic slight drunk brawl then medieval version of cod quickscoping.

@fridtjofnansen6743

19 күн бұрын

Yeah, Mordhau combat is disgusting to me.

What really interests me, as someone who've done some sword fighting, is the fact that the game seams to really put an effort in the fight techniques. Mordhau and Chivalry 2 are fun but lack on the reality of sword fighting technique for me. Can't wait to try it

the combat looks janky, but really fun. I really like it honestly

I think the incohesive combat is kinda a cool aspect, to give it some believability. Like medieval warfare was literally Nobles and peasantry against other nobles and peasants. There were very few professional soldiers, with the Nobles having probably better training and experience, with knights always being the most experienced in combat usually. So it be kinda cool to see like peasants being quite undisciplined and unpredictable, while knights being experienced but cautious.

@centurionpetrus1784

Ай бұрын

Actually there were many professional soldiers in the middle ages. There were many mercenary companies formed of professional fighters going from a war to another. And for the nobles, they were all trained since childhood to become knights, so they were all experts at fighting.

The physics based fighting reminds me of Exanima.

@tekken.universal2343

2 ай бұрын

Except exanima is so bad

@VonBraun1493

2 ай бұрын

@@tekken.universal2343 nah thats just your poor taste. Exanima is fucking great.

@dioporcochilegge

2 ай бұрын

​@@VonBraun1493yeh good gameplay but not worth the price, especially because the developer is not reliable...

@VonBraun1493

2 ай бұрын

@@dioporcochilegge So because the developer doesn't meet your impatient standards, they are unreliable? Major L take. I bet you preordered Ubi's quadruple A starwars game that you wont own....

Honestly i think there should be a game like PlanetSide 2 but medieval. So it would be 3 factions against each other (or just 2), and it would be about conquering territories. Villages and fortresses would be part of the objectives and we would be able to purchase catapults and siege weapons for us to move into combat. All in a MMO manner, just like PlanetSide 2 does.

I love Kingdom come and thought it was an absolute hell of an adventure! But my one and only gripe was why couldn't I have companions to fight by my side? Several time I'd come up on 4 or 5 fully plated guys that knock me off my horse and just bully me. This would happen like 5 times in a row. But I like this idea of having a band or company of troops at your command

@Standjre

4 ай бұрын

Try out the Band of Bastards dlc

@PrimalTexan

4 ай бұрын

@@Standjre done it. But I meant throughout your travels in general.

@manueltoloza6007

4 ай бұрын

Totally agree, hopefully they add companions to the hypothetical secuel. Itd make sense too since you set off somewhere with Hans Capon i believe.

@ansur1783

2 ай бұрын

Maybe in the secuel they will add human companions, imagine that you get a squire or similar like a guy that will follow you because he wants to get revenge on the cumans and ask you to teach him all you know, specially fighting, could be interesting if done right 😮

Not everything has to be freaking multiplayer. I would hate 100+ players having a battle in a Medieval game like this. Way to chaotic and unbalanced. Singleplayer is king (or some sort of coop small scale)

Physics based combat for massive multiplayer is the holy grail

On the topic of medieval (low fantasy medieval at least) physics-based games, you should try Exanima. It's probably got the cleanest looking physics-based combat out there at the moment. It's also a lot of fun.

Its not being developed for a decade, it got scraped mid-way and built from the ground up agian.

Im looking forward how this game will look for full release.

It looks awesome. With some fine-tuning and polishing off It'll be sure to become very successful in its genre.

Now this is interesting

I hope it gets better physics based anything usually means jank and crappy.

no matter what, I'll buy this dang game!!!!

Have you heard of game called Exanima? It is a physics based combat, dungeon crawler type of game with an arena mode also that is quite fun!

To be fair battles in da day where caotic end wonky so i cant wait

I personally think they either have to pivot into something simpler and more silly if they're gonna have this combatsystem, or faket it with having animations blend together.

Totally Accurate Battle Simulator: RTX On

Can't wait for the lightsaber mods

exanima meets bannelord ? gonna love it

2:08 I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow to the knee

Hellish Squart is also good if you like realistic duels

Bro is being super negative about some pre-alpha footage. "Revolutionising Medieval Combat". There is already good games that have this type of combat. Exanima for example. If its anything like Exanima in its end state, it will be great.

@eqou

4 ай бұрын

exanima is a complete different genre but okay

@warbandplaysAU9178

4 ай бұрын

@Shadow_ball okay... it's indie its not going to be perfect in pre-alpha footage.

@warbandplaysAU9178

4 ай бұрын

@@eqou they both have physics-based combat

@eqou

4 ай бұрын

@@warbandplaysAU9178 yea but exanima is top down

@huseyinfurkankardiyen2104

4 ай бұрын

​@@warbandplaysAU9178Literally every computer game with combat have physics based combat, there is no other way. How you gonna make it seem realistic, what your concessions, disregards will be and how you will compensate; these are the main questions. Many chooses to make it janky af to give the feeling of realism however it is as far from realism as any other game

I think Hellish quart is the best example of the quality of animation this game should go for, imo Mordhaus combat system is good, but it's not immersive and in a pve game i feel like a combat system thats more immersive would be a better move

janky games are the best games, as an arma enjoyer i can say ive dealt with a fair bit

Is this coming to console by any chance

For someone who is in game industry and took part in reenactment group, this is the most realistic combat I ever saw. It looks a little junky cause the actual real life combat looks the same.

Bro this is a very early version,you are being so harsh

Seems promising, reminds me a lot of 'Kingdom Come: Deliverance' but is somewhat cheaper.

You'll never let go of your OKAM butthurtness, will ya

Why would i play something other than Mordhau? i can think of a few reasons, Historical accuracy for one and im not a multiplayer kinda guy, i think this game is more targeted to history buffs, very much like KCD and Hellish Quart, the game authors are clearly going with historical accuracy in mind, just based on the weapons and armor ive seen, all fit perfectly in what they used in the 12th and 12th centuries, and the current fighting system if a bit sloppy it certainly looks like theyre trying to emulate actual sword and shield martial arts from the times, i know this cause as a HEMA fencer (historical european martial arts) it resembles a lot of what the manuals instruct, meaning no big epic swings and piruettes, exagerated swings and self exposing while using a shield etc, rather much more tactical and realistic, I just hope they are able to polish it a lot more and make it actually enjoyable.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Exanima's combat.

play exanima next

To rival chivalry ? Like the combat in chivalry is not even close to be historically accurate

i really want something like this but also add elements of kcd combat to it cause this aint it

I wanna believe... but it just feel like a meme factory as these ragdoll based games usually are bugged as hell and only work when aren't serious

@Tup41195

4 ай бұрын

Just have hope my friend :)

No medieval game ? And what about Pax Dei ?

@raditicat

4 ай бұрын

that is not medieval

@elator

4 ай бұрын

Not historical yes but fully medieval with a little twist of fantasy :)

@raditicat

4 ай бұрын

@@elator you mean, fantasy with a little bit of medieval*

@elator

4 ай бұрын

​@@raditicat Question of point of view!

@raditicat

4 ай бұрын

@@elator no when there is more fantasy than medieval

Whats all that nonsense you was saying about crucaders?

liking the new video style, well not sure if its new but its the first time ive seen it 😄

That sword fighting game he showed looked ass asf this looks goofy but I’m not a big animation guy I like loose movement feels realer but still goofy😂

they should seriously mocap thousands of animations with HEMA experts so they have 10-100's of hours worth of recorded animations for all their weapons so it can simulate physics based feel but not look like someone mentally disabled trying to poke someone with a stick

@0612rex

4 ай бұрын

I'd volunteer to do that. Hellish quart did it and it looks great. Need those sorts of animations in more games. So much more immersive

FIRST

Shit looks like qwop

Not true. The better rival to Chivalary is Mordhau

@carioceco2315

3 ай бұрын

It's literally the same thing

Don't want another mount and blade ever again. It needs to be all of the good of Kingdom Come, but with bigger battles and combat of M&B.

@marcuszc3172

4 ай бұрын

my thoughts aswell

@manueltoloza6007

4 ай бұрын

KCD is great, love the focus on historicaly accurate martial arts but how do you go about making big scale fights fun? the skirmishes in kcd are good enough cause is just less than a hundred men fighting and theyre mostly chaotic ambushes, lacking in the tactical sense wich is very different to how big armies fought, in these cases fancy sword techniques go out the window and its just packed line formations, poking and hacking at each other with spears and pole weapons behind a shield wall wich can go for hours depending on the size of the armies, ive thought about it a lot but i dunno how one goes about making that kind of gameplay fun, im sure Warhorse studios ran into that problem since they just completely cut out the big line battle they advertised in the trailers. bannerlord gets close but its not very historical either, kinda like the vikings show they do the shield wall push wich is nonsense and obviously being that close range they all die in minutes.

Mordhau sucks btw. It has one of the lamest fighting systems there is. I constantly feel like im in a dream and trying to hit someone but cant. Its sluggish, and extremely heavy.

Honestly, these physics combat systems always look and play terribly. I don't understand the appeal.

@Siegbert85

4 ай бұрын

I think it looks ridiculously fun when it works

@mnk_7907

20 күн бұрын

imo its an added depth of immersion, having to actually control the direction and weight of your weapon swings not to say it couldnt use a bit more polishing

The game has potential, for sure, but the combat looks like a bunch of drunk people having a brawl. If you've done any kind of martial art, it sticks out even more. It's obviously a long way from release, but right now it looks like people just fling their weapons and fall after them, with absolutely no control on the strike, just overswinging every single strike. Right now, the combat is a big NO from me.

I had never seen worst combat in a game 😂😂😂😂

I really hate getting random cuts of your face. Especially when you're trying to be funny.

Game play looks fake

@edwilczak252

4 ай бұрын

there is a demo, go and see for your own before saying things like that

I like me a deus vult, we are in need of that in Europe asap.