Can you make a video to upgrade these parts like the spacers that are missing on the s16 for people that own these wheels? A guide to make them safer and better would help out a lot of people!

Great in depth review as always! It's nice that I really don't need to do much research on my own when we have such all-inclusive reviews available :D

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Mr Manaatti! Great to see you in the comment section! It was a ton of work but finally it’s out!

@BossManaatti

2 ай бұрын

@@mr_wrongway these sort of reviews are immensely valuable 🙏 and your hard work really shows!

This video really makes me feel like I dodged a bullet. I was days away from buying an S16, as soon as batch 2 arrived in Spain I was going to get one. Now after seeing this video I bought a Begode Extreme instead, it arrives next week, I can't wait!

@archmagus1510

2 ай бұрын

t4 and extreme are the best value wheels right now...hands down...until the falcon is out...if you are begginer adn want something that doesnt brake the bank only a2 is the possibility right now.

@user-wr6pp6mu2i

18 күн бұрын

​@@archmagus1510 😂 зря с16 топ колесо

@ZonagrisPE

16 күн бұрын

😅in my country we can only have kingsong and inmotion, I’ve saving money for 2 years so I can get one of those euc (s16 or s19)--due to budget 😢 latam__born n raised 🙂‍↕️ But I love this kind of videos 😊 You all look cool riding those euc (I had to learn English so I can understand you all riders 😅_thx btw) I’m gonna save money for 5 or 6 months so I can reach the 300$ I need to get the kingsong s19. 🤞🏻🥹 I hope to share videos with u all guys.😊

Adam, when can we expect full Extreme and full Lynx reviews?

It's nice that you also show the downsides of these Wheels and openly address what could be done better, thank you for that 👍🏻

I have the S19 (one of 5 EUCs I own) and it’s a great wheel for the price. I’ve had no (zero) problems. I ride occasionally for fun. I have a car and a motorcycle also. I’ve never taken any of them apart, except for repairs, and only judge by riding joy and reliability. I have the street tire so this wheel is not for off roading but have taken it out a time or two when there’s a side trail. Can’t resist. Great wheel!

And my old S18's suspension still works like a charm after 2.5 years 😅😅 Thats that you call regression... XD

@caseybretthauer9006

2 ай бұрын

Recently sold my turd S19 and just bought a hollow bore S18 for $600 in great condition and low miles! I had an S18 for nearly 2 years and should have never let it go!

@nativeme2143

2 ай бұрын

@@caseybretthauer9006 I use it as trick / shopping wheel it is cool because it isn't slowpoke, still i can lift it with one hand though.

@ipsilon00

2 ай бұрын

Me too. 2K km on my S18 v2 and it's perfect! The best all-around wheel!

Thanks for honesty man, appreciate it!

V11Y is great wheel in my opinion. Also if you can live without the suspension (and the maintenance :)) Inmotion V12PRO is excellent wheel.

I mean even with the S16 being more powerful than the S18, it weighs nearly 15 pounds more. That's a lot. Hell the S18 is already over OSHA's limit for lifting for one person at work places. OSHA's limit is only 50 pounds. Really wish there were some good options for suspension but lighter. Even the Begode Falcon is going to be 55 pounds.

I love this videos from your channel, I only trust in you. They should pay you as an external consultant. I'm waiting for the review of the InMotion V14 Have a nice day Mr. Wrong Way

Finally, the review of the S19 that I've been waiting for so long! I ended up buying the latest version with Samsung 50S batteries. Do I regret not getting the Extreme, which I was also considering? I don't know because I haven't ridden the Extreme. So far, I've covered 600 km, with some off-roading but mainly commuting to and from work. The rather negative reviews about the water resistance of this wheel contradict the experiences of users of this unicycle. Russians (where this wheel is popular due to regulations) use it in really harsh conditions, and there have been no cases of water-related failures. That's why I decided on this wheel; however, after watching this review, I took the small effort of sealing the top part of the housing under the controller and the motor edge. I've lowered the suspension to the maximum, which gives me even better control. The pads are indeed a bit tight when I wear full Leatt protectors, so I'm seriously considering cutting off their front part. What I like most about the S19 is the handle and weight, which allow me to carry it with one hand.

@13:34 - I feel like Kingsong gave up on competing with other EUC companies on things that make a better ride and instead decided to become the EUC company for people who prefer speakers and lights over a great ride

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

I feel like whatever they improve, something else might break. Sad to see this after solid wheels like 18L or 16S :/ always great to see you in the comment section!

@kamer7pl

2 ай бұрын

Show bobs and vageene ☺️

Damn, I know that it's probably way harder than it seems, but as a perfectionist, seeing all those, what looks like, simple mistakes and blunders made by manufaturers - I really want to make my own, ideal wheel. Maybe, some day, just dreaming for now. I know it can be done, there are some diy projects out there already, it's just outside of my current skillset and abilities lol

@grb1969

2 ай бұрын

I expect to see a VESC controlled wheel within a couple years, which means that DIY projects will be possible. Start following the VESC movement now and you’ll be ready after others forge a path. There’s at least one person I know of that may offer EUC kits or a complete VESC unicycle. Good luck.

What brand shock do you have on the S16? I would like to upgrade my S16 Pro. Great in depth review. I’m all about preventative maintenance and you gave me plenty of good information. Thanks for your content.

Very helpful! Thanks!

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the generous donation!

Great video as always! Waiting for Extreme and V14 in depth review!

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! Thanks for the generous donation too!

Im greatful that you released this review when you did. I have been looking at the Kingsong S16 as a starterwheel and for commuting to work. But after this video im back to square one again. What wheel would you recomend for a beginner and commuting 50km/day? I will never try to jump downstairs and drive on gravelroads.

Thanks for the very extensive technical view 'behind the sales-stage', as there are not many EUC producers able to reach the (western) modern construction level, so it seems? Spending 3 to 4 thousand eurees for this kind of quality can only be done when one is crazy about riding EUC's in the first place, but it will hit back on the long run, thats for shure. Compared with you're checklist in mind, there is only Leaperkim standing firm. As a starter, it means I have to get used having my feed high above the ground, while learning the famous 'brain-switch' for balancing the wheel and myself. You've mentioned it before, suspension and the taller build quality will need a bigger determination in learning the EUC-ride for the very first time. You are right..Lets do it!! :-) The lowering pedals for the Lynx ( just 30 mm) might help me somewhat. Afterall, I have to go the 'wrong way' to make it right...:-) Cheers!

Thanks for this detailed survey of the S16. I have the pro version with 750k so far, about 25% of that on dirt and I am more or less happy with it. It is light and nimble and has been trouble free so far. The QC on mine seems to have been better; silicone in all the right places, however I have had to make some mods. First I removed the speakers and added larger side plates and V14 pads for better control. I also adapted pedals from the S22 because there are no aftermarket pedals that I could find. The slid rollers do collect dirt and I think that dropping the motor and cleaning the slider system with WD40 and compressed air should be done at least every 1000k, sooner when exposed to dirt and sand. A full set of rollers only costs $80 and I don’t mind working on the wheel, but, If I had it to do it over, I think I would have just gone for the V14 in spite of the extra weight.

@misubisu

2 ай бұрын

You've done 750 km on your S16 Pro with no issues... this pleases me. I purchased one a month or so ago. Mainly for commuting to work and other general commuting. So, hopefully I will have minimal problems too.

As a lower range/speed rider, (all but once under the 60km max and under 42kph) I am still good with my Kingsong s18, the wheel still preforms great although not super performance, runs really cool, great suspension, not ridiculous weight, decent trolley handle. Sure I miss out on modern torque, but my wheel has climbed any real city hill in my town with ease. I just don't need more really although a bigger battery would be the most nice upgrade. I am mostly looking for a used small wheel next mcm5 or mten3-4 for learning backwards/idling and have a better wheel to teach friends with.

Bro Nice vid, when You Will do a top mid + highend euc? I'm w8ing it hahaha thx bro

eks dengan kamera can you give your opinion about s19 and begode t4 . which one is the most recommended?

i was about to order the 19. I have 2 18. my upgraded 22 was stolen. what should I buy instead ?

It seems like all the reviews of all the EUC types have long lists of cons. I want to start with EUC’s and am orienting myself with which brand and type to use. The Inmotion Challenger or others of 4000 euros are way over the top for me. After your initial KS16 review I figured it was that that I wanted, but now you show a different side of the machine. I like a wider wheel than that of a V10F. So is there any EUC that has a good price and good quality? Im prepared to spend around 2000 eur and dont care about speed higher than 20kph or doing jumps, though riding offroad I expect to be doing.

Hey adam i had a question. I can get a new s19(not sure its a pro or regular) for under 1800 maybe lower. But a colleague said that it is already at End of life. But is that true? I would find it weird since it came out like a year ago right?

The number of newly used wheels for sale within 100 miles or less is f*cking staggering! Why would anyone buy new unless they’re just buying HYPE! The manufacturer’s ignorance of business strategy is astounding and they’re ultimately f*cking themselves!

@gvarph7212

2 ай бұрын

Where are such wheels being sold? The local market only has wheels with 3k+km for 75% of the original price (and a s22 with 20k km for half of a price of a new one...)

@infiniteone11

2 ай бұрын

I'd love to have access to your market. Here in Europe, second-hand wheels are scarce and offer almost no discount. Plus, in times when it's a gamble to buy new because you're beta testing the first batches, I would definitely refrain from buying used if there isn't a significant discount. You never know how they treated the batteries.

@grb1969

2 ай бұрын

@@gvarph7212 lowest price I’ve seen for an s22 in working condition is $1200. Great price is $1500 plus more for pads/accessories.

@grb1969

2 ай бұрын

@@infiniteone11 best to ask your local rider’s group as to who has a spare wheel for sale in cases where you’re not near an EUC hot spot. Many people don’t want the hassle of listing and showing their old wheels so they accumulate… as part of the addiction. 😉

Hello. Very good!!! I would like to downgrade my S22pro with S16pro because i do 10 km per day and S22 is too big and too heavy ad is not agile (before a had a 16XS), but now.... i don't know if i will buy it!! Please some questions: - is it possible to put nylonove pads (i have it) on S16 removing speakers and putting it a bigger plate? on nylonove there is nothing for S16! - about the noise of the pads when you accelerate /brake is there any way to remove it? because i think is impossible to ride with 'clack'! and also if the pads move, you lose sensitivity - are there some aftermarket pedals for S16? i love my nylonove pedals Otherwise... i will keep My s22pro

I like the sliders on the s18 more than rollers on these, and it is cheaper now. I am wondering if the begode falcon might be a better comtyter wheel. Would love to see a review from you.

Do you know if the Hou Ning Ning S22 suspension bolt kit will work with the S16 linkage? Appreciate your review on these wheels!

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

I don’t know sadly :/ pls ask Hou Ning Ning :)

Good breakdown of issues, no obvious bias and though I have no interest in either wheel the video was still good to watch as when you talk about design issues and the disappointment it is not about performance just about poor design choices. Clearly, at some point, design choices and part integrity issues will either be improved or we will lose a manufacturer because they can’t compete.

NyloNove does not have Wyoming WY as a state in the Billing section, so I can’t order their product, I tried to email them but they haven’t fixed it, can you please tell them.

If I'd get S19 (likely exact one from this video :D) for 1700, would it change the view on whether it's worth it?

I think I'm going to get the S16 pro. It has problems but we all do.

I was thinking on buying an S16 but after this video man ... im thinking it twice. I might hold to my begode Hero until they anunce a well manufacturated smaller wheel with a BMS.

So you should be fine if you don’t ride in rain and don’t do any extreme jumping 👍 I’m wondering if second batches and Pro versions are any different than pre production units you received.

Any thoughts on the Commander mini?

Well thats why i choose the Begode T4 pro...yea no smart BMS and waterproofing could be better but everything else is easy to work on amd kinda intuitive with so many infos from Forums if you need help.... that's just not the case with Kingsong Wheels....wheels in this class need ro be super easy to maintain because no enthusiasts will buy them in the first place

@JonahOnEUC

2 ай бұрын

I got a T4 and love it. I don't feel like I am missing something from not having a smart bms. It's just one more thing that can cause problems. If the wheel don't charge fully, I can measure each pack to see if one of them have a problem, I don't need to know which cell is faulty since I would have to replace the whole pack anyway. And smart bms will just add more cost to the wheel. T4 is amazing value right now! Kingsong is just trying to commit suicide it seems.

Why is the slider system of the s18 not further developed ?! If they simply improved the dust protection (as many did home), this system seems perfect? I dont understand why these new high maintenance multi parts sliders…

Jakie najlepsze kolo do miasta? Dobrze jak by bylo w miare lekkie zeby targac na 2 piętro

Great video, do you plan to do a similar one on the V14?

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

For sure :)

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

And thank you!

A comparison of the Kingsongt S16 Pro vs the Inmotion V11Y would make a great video

Kingsong s16 pro begode t4 pro what would you buy

S19 turned out to be not as bad. I've managed (and highly recomend) to cut out the front parts of the side panels, sooooo much better now; speakers were easy to unmount too And now the tire change is easier too - did You know that You can release the wheel from the chassis simply by unscrewing (1) bottom links and (2) straightforwardly unscrew phase-wire cap with the short screwdriver from below (in a maximum pre-extracted position). This leaves to unmount just the stand with a fender to actually start the tire change. Thanks for detailed review

this is why I want to hear your take on the v11 y

I like this king of review. It's very interesting, I hope you will do same for the V14

@dphantran

2 ай бұрын

I saw different people asking the same and you answered "yes" 🤩 good. I'm really wait for this one because I saw you really enjoying riding this wheel and doing jump. So now I wait to know if you broke something 😂

Excellent comparison review of kitchen cabinet drawer slides vs KS suspension sliders. (Spoiler alert... WW kitchen cabinet wins!)

As always... great job! 👍 this is the type of review that garnishes viewers. Even though I am attracted to the S19, I won't be getting one. We need vehicles, not overpriced toys.

This is a real bummer, i was looking to get an s16 pro, but i need the reliability

maybe you should look adam on the new t4 pro not a lot of reviews on it but from i heard its great even thou no bms...

I get your gripe on those wheels. Look like good looking old Begode, but you blocked begode wheels for a while for these exact reasons. Will you ban kingsong now? I have the s16 and i do love it. I will add waterproofing on it tho, and i had the s22 for quite a long time and didn't have a problem with it. So overall i think its still a good value wheel.

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

I don’t know what I’ll do but I’m a bit tired of reviewing and I want to ride more. I think I’ll focus more on performance/sports oriented wheels. I mean there’s a plethora of things in those wheels and while they’re nice to ride, at this point I wouldn’t get one for myself

The bottom line is that these wheels ride great but might not be that endurable or abuse resistant. I still think they offer great value for money and weight.

The kingsong 18XL, the unbeatable! I have a kingsong 16s with almost 25,000km on the clock, indestructible. Wouldn't you be a little too demanding and dramatic with the wheels??? A few years ago, we didn't worry so much about all these technical details, as long as it worked... Monsieur Flex is the vestige and the proof ! Your assessment is relevant, but it is not at all representative of the majority of average users.. There are 2 categories of Wheelers now... but unfortunately we hear too much about those who are in performance and forest leaps the other category is quieter.

We can't wait for you to test the Begode Falcon for intelligent people who want to start in the world of wheels with a robust and comfortable wheel without plastic... without having to do more than 30km on a charge and without breaking their back with a wheel weighing more than 26Kg

S18 is still better for city commuting.. When you can cobine it with public transportation and fast chager - it rocks. If you are ready to kick on a 35+ kg wheel - ride an S22. Or Lynx :) btw - nice haircut)))

Have you seen the begode falcon? What do you think about it?

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

It looks promising but no smart bms :/ no review :/

@selectagage

2 ай бұрын

Wrong way - I like that you’re clear with your standards for what you’re willing to review however we need your expert eyes on the falcon.

@user-lk2kk8ve6y

2 ай бұрын

@@selectagage An American has already done a complete review on the Falcon and it is great. There will always be complainers about fussing with the BMS but it is technically not useful for small wheels. The Falcon is ideal for beginners who want to experience comfort and robustness without spending a lot and without breaking their back.

I used the s16pro for my 11 year old, the problem is that any wheel that he can lift is underpowered. He weighs 35 km so he can get 100 km out of the wheel.

@highballrider

2 ай бұрын

so either upgrade your wheel or go on a diet... think it's cheaper and easier to upgrade your wheel...

Where can you buy that tire? Cannot find it through Google!

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

Yeah me neither! I don’t have any more specific model number on the tire either :/

@JoachimVesely

2 ай бұрын

@@mr_wrongway The closest available thing I found tread wise is the Heidenau K38, but that tread seems to go less deep, so is probably still more street. Googling “R8 3.00-12 tire” brings up something that looks almost exactly like it, but only for sale in the Philippines. Cheng Shin C131 3.00-12 is another candidate, but again, can’t actually find anyone selling it. Sad! Wanting to try one out on a T4!

@JoachimVesely

2 ай бұрын

@@mr_wrongway The Heidenau K38 seems similar, but I think it is actually the CST C131!

Except ... the chargers need to prove their reliability. The S22 and Lynx chargers were absolutely terrible.

I can tell you right now my S19 was the worst wheel I have ever owned... Less power than the S18 (we compared them side by side with 2 different riders), it could never reach above 30mph without having audio warnings, we over heated it twice, the slider rollers started getting chunky and bad at 150 miles, if you blipped the throttle the pedals would dip before the wheel gave you any warnings....it has slow acceleration specially for it being 100v and its cost. other than being pretty with okay loud speakers its trash and I have owned A LOT of unicycles....

@kamer7pl

2 ай бұрын

I never encountered such issues in S19 Pro.

Man, i just wish there was a -cheap- wheel that was as waterproof as my veteran sherman. I am not very handy, but i'd like to have a wheel with street tire, but decided that i wouldn't want to do that kind of tire swap 2 times a year on the sherman.. Swedish weather and winters are not kind to the wheels

@Phil4222

2 ай бұрын

Have you taken your Sherman s apart ? The one my friend owns wasn't sealed at all where the battery cables came tru

Shrink wrap do not Waterproof the battery at all

@mr_wrongway

2 ай бұрын

Shrink wrap + isolation :)

and here I was contemplating the s16 but that is going to be a nope from me

@misubisu

2 ай бұрын

Seems to me that dependent on your riding style, the S16 would be okay. Fine for commuting... keep away from jumps and minimal stairs. And keep out of the rain!!

@hutitch2647

2 ай бұрын

@@misubisu I don't really do jumps and stuff like that so I don't think the screws or axel will be a problem, I mostly just cruise around with friends the only problem is the rain, as it can go from clear sunny skies to a thunderstorm in a matter of minutes here, so unfortunately I am going to need something a bit more sealed, my friend is currently on a Inmotion V12 and I have been using his KS 16x, I am ready to get my own wheel, but there is a limit to what's available here

I can attest S16Pro was a nightmare for me. Gave it away after 6 weeks. constant BMS issues, mudguard and suspension rubbing, and tire valve hitting the battery boxes. I don't recommend it at all, I'm back on my 18XL. no "smart" BMS but literally rock solid, zero issues. Kingsong's last great wheel..

@iheartihop

2 ай бұрын

Bummer to hear. I also have the S16Pro and it has largely been great for me after 500 miles. The trolley handle stuck for me too, and ultimately the bottom part of one side of the trolley broke off. Works ok while waiting for a replacement part. Otherwise, it’s been smooth sailing and tons of fun.

👍

Smart bms wont save you from a housefire

Yeah yeah, the Begode quality is unquestionable :-)))))

Loks like S22Pro is much better created . Rollers aren worst thing . Rows where tey are rolling after 15-20 tousands of km will be worn . So battery cases will be neded to replace .

It seems to me like King Song is content in making affordable commuter wheels. I really don't think they care about reaching the high-performance extreme riding/ racing market.

@TOPFEEL_

2 ай бұрын

Do you know kingsong F22?

@ionflow1073

2 ай бұрын

@TOPFEEL_ I don't know about the F22 but I've seen the S22. Why?

@TOPFEEL_

2 ай бұрын

@@ionflow1073 F22 is kingsong’s upcoming high-performance wheel.

When in doubt, buy a Lynx.

sounds like the s16 is designed for kids and the s19 for teenagers

низачто больше кинг сонг не возьму.

@TOPFEEL_

2 ай бұрын

why?

@user-ko2og8dg7m

2 ай бұрын

@@TOPFEEL_ где?

Donc si je comprends bien entre : Ks qui fabrique des roues de mauvaise qualité. Leaperkim qui fabrique des chargeur de mauvaise qualité. Inmotion qui dit que leur roues sont ip...alors que non😂 Begode qui étonnamment commence a faire de bonne roue. Alors quoi ? On retourne chez begode ? . 😂

@user-lk2kk8ve6y

2 ай бұрын

Bah oui Tu vas chez Begode pour tout et tu vas chez Leaperkim si t'as de l'argent à dépenser pour des tank. Et surtout t'oublie KS et Inmotion qui ne savent faire que du Marketing. Voilà. Bonne journée à toi.

Дизлайк за бабскую причёску. А сам обзор хороший.

All wheels it’s bullshit))

@user-lk2kk8ve6y

2 ай бұрын

The wheel has become shit since the bald rednecks sold their harley davidson to become rednecks on wheels

I was planning on buying KS-S16 pro as my beginner wheel, but after I watching this, I just lost any hope for any Kingsong brands. I just wish Leaperkim releases a beginner wheel where any beginner rider wouldn't have to worry if the wheel they just purchased would be safe/not overall to ride. Leaperkims 20 point inspection (correct me if I'm wrong there), assures me that that wheel I would buy from them is fully inspected from top to bottom and its ready to ride by a beginner.

@user-lk2kk8ve6y

2 ай бұрын

You're right, don't be fooled by Inmotion or Kingsong marketing. Focus on Begode and Leaperkim, the problem with Leaperkim is that it's way too expensive for what it is, quality shouldn't cost that much, especially for a beginner. I advise you to turn to Begode, with a Begode Falcon or a T4 you will get value for your money and it will always be more reliable and repairable than KS and Inmotion.