I think re-reviewing some of these boards when the software is mature is more important to me. These pre-order type boards are a little boring when the review just turns me off because of the maturity of the software.

The HDMI-in is intriguing. This could be used as the most over-powered TV backlight effects generator ever.

@PoeLemic

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it is powerful enough. But do you think that someone could do video-encoding from the HDMI-in port? Like could you record gameplay at 1080p/60f or say some other content at 1080p/24f ? I'm not familiar with its encoding possiblities.

@4h0w1e6

2 жыл бұрын

@@PoeLemic I think you could certainly do LEDs casting light patterns, but if you mean actual video processing (like shaders) you might be right.

@PlaceholderforBjorn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Hopefully someone make a KVM also with this.

@4h0w1e6

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlaceholderforBjorn Good thinking. I have an expensive KVM at work and although it works it is pretty clunky for 2022.

All of these miscellaneous ARM boards are plagued with the exact same issue. "The Community" is too burned out and has zero interest to volunteer thousands of hours to modify existing code so that it would run well on these new hardware platforms. And each one is a unique platform of its own. There is no standardization. And it is not just the OS. They need to modify all the Apps as well. And as soon as they do 1, they get 12 new ARM based boards that need the same commitment, for free. And even if some guy does some of it, often there are not enough of others around to do the other pieces. So, any ARM based board that is community supported ends up having a half-ass set of software. And hardware is nothing without good software. Raspberry Pis are the only community supported ARM boards that are not driven useless by this one major flaw. (and you still can't get a half decent abd recent version of Android on a Raspberry Pie 4. So even those are affected by this major flaw. ). x86 based boards on the other hand run all sorts of existing operating systems and software. No issues there aside from much higher price. The Arm world needs either some sort of standardization, or some sort of automation for making existing code compatible with new ARM hardware. Open source RISC-V* is even worse.from this perspective. Much worse actually. On the other hand, Open Source RISC-V* can be used to create fully custom and unique specific-purpose chips that are extremely hard to hack and reverse engineer (e.g. western digital developing custom HDD controller chips). That form of open source technology getting used to build closed source devices will have important application for the industry, but not as ge real purpose devices for the masses. From a personal standpoint, I am done wasting my money and time on such new ARM boards unless I can buy a cheap gizmo that comes with proper software for a single-use set it up and forget it application. And even then I will be crossing my fingers. (*Corrected Thanks! :-) )

@FL4SHK

2 жыл бұрын

You can get some versions of Android on an RPi 4. ETA Prime has done videos on that.

@someusername1921

2 жыл бұрын

100 percent. It’s great it will boot an os but then very few of the major python libraries won’t work etc etc. what’s the point of these boards outside of industry applications?

@feedmyintellect

2 жыл бұрын

@@someusername1921 Exactly! What is the point if no average Joe can use them? It is like manufacturing and selling a car that takes a very unique form of fuel that nobody sells. The car is there, but you can't do jack with it. And I am.not trying to be harsh on any specific vendor here. This is an industry-wide issue and it is a lack of standardization issue. If the industry got together and they came up with say 4 specific chips per year that everyone manufactured following a very specific method with no deviation, then the volunteer developers would have a chance to turn those 4 chips into useful general purpose devices. Otherwise all of these hardware developers are simply shooting themselves in the foot (unless they have industry specific use cases and financial backing for the boards they create). The question remains: If the first 4 boards you have made still don't have any useful software after 3 years, why make board number 5?

@feedmyintellect

2 жыл бұрын

You know what I would do if I was ARM? I would design and licence the equivalent of Apple's M1 or M2 chip, making sure any manufacturer that decides to buy the design is not allowed to modify it. A very powerful and high bandwidth SoC that is missing only the SSD. That chip might cost $385 to build. But people will buy it. Convert most current code to it. And put it to great use. Heck. I would do exactly this if I was Intel. Apple has the product out already. All the other players in the market are finished if they don't manage to catch up very soon!

@conorstewart2214

2 жыл бұрын

I think you mean RISC-V. I was just contemplating this a few days ago, it’s modularity and having different extensions, like for floating point or vector math and them being optional will create big problems in the future, sure you can argue that the compiler will be able to compile it for different types of RISC-V chips like using software floating point if it doesn’t have it in hardware but even if that does work you will be left with a massive performance difference between chips, between ones that do it in software and ones that have hardware support. Even worse once you add in the custom extensions too, then software might only work for one specific chip or family of chips. If they want open source design to be the future then they really need to standardise it, rather than have it fully open and modular, even if they get together and say all mainstream RISC-V CPUs must have this base set of functions that would be a start but you would still get issues with software requiring hardware that isn’t in that specification.

Going to snag one of these, love having some SBC around

I wish there were more boards with pcie so you could add things like SATA for a NAS.

Yes very interesting about the HDMI input. I'd like to use that for KVM and OBS duties.

I just watched this with my Dad, he told me a system like this when he first started as a software developer would have cost tens of thousands of dollars.

@jcap8391

2 жыл бұрын

Ur dad is a cool guy 😎

@moto6981

2 жыл бұрын

And the size would be bigger than a microwave oven

@zorintoto1167

2 жыл бұрын

Oh this was very true just over 10 years ago . Dev boards would be insanely expensive

@soulife8383

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcap8391 he was jailed for harming animals, but he's old and into programming so, good dude! What is this world turning into...

@rogeriocruz658

2 жыл бұрын

@@soulife8383 You seem like someone who needs to go outside and touch some grass

You should take another look at the Quieter3Q that you reviewed a week ago. If you go into the bios you can undervolt the system and overclock the iGPU and CPU. I'm still looking into it but you might be able to fool with memory speed too.

Just a heads up.. sysbench doesn't work that way. It is calculating all primes below 10,000 as many times as possible in 10 seconds. The important number is the 20,264 events, which is how many times it was able to complete that inside the default of 10 seconds. Also, by default it only uses a single cpu thread, so it wasn't using all of the cores on the VIM 4.

OK this is interesting. I wonder if you can attach a GPS antenna so that you can use it in your car? it would make for a nice platform for a vehicle head unit.

Soc have been booming lately ❤️

Here I saw "Vim" and thought of the text editor!

Yeah seems like a bit of a false start unfortunately. But once the 64g support is there, I think this SBC is going to be amazing.

@ETAPRIME

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm hoping for it soon for sure

@alittlebitgone

2 жыл бұрын

You mean 64 bit?

@johnmichaels4330

2 жыл бұрын

@@alittlebitgone yes

@yeeeeeter

2 жыл бұрын

Looking at the VIM 3 First look and ETA PRIME said the same thing about it only starting with 32 bit Android. It doesn't look like they've cracked it in the past 2 years. I'm a little concerned about the follow through.

@freddyjuarez5602

2 жыл бұрын

So wait till 64 bit or just buy one now???

$200 seems expensive for an ARM SBC

@AndriyYurchenko

2 жыл бұрын

The same thoughts - it is expensive. The hundred dollars price is good for ARM SBC, everything higher must compete with inexpensive SBC's on Celeron.

Could you use the hdmi in to create an overlay? Like... an mostly transparent operating system floating on top of the hdmi signal passing through? Like, adding a stock ticker to the corner of a tv feed or allowing for a game guide to be opened on top of a console game?

There are some nice Vim3 aluminum cases out there. Wonder if they'll fit...

Vim3 owner here, I’ll wait to see how this works with android. They dragged their feet getting an AOSP image out for previous devices.

@ezekielrobinson7897

2 жыл бұрын

Same here

The gyro and the performance gives this sbc great potential for a handheld for light gaming and emulation.

Would most definitely love to see the high end emulation for sure!! Wondering how well it would handle ps3 & maybe some switch 🤔 Later on down the road of course like you were saying with a few more of the updates it definitely needs!! It’s really awesome how far these SBC’s are coming along!! 🤩🥳

@yukas1ngas

2 жыл бұрын

PS3 emulation? Really?? Wow!

@lesterhudson3990

2 жыл бұрын

@@yukas1ngas 🤷🏻‍♂️ ehh why not!! Ya never know these days with the way things are going!!

@losnamerales3403

Жыл бұрын

If we could get emuelec to run ps3 smoothly then it's the board we need, switch would be nice too 💯

good show! thanks!

That case is SICK!!!

Just wondering if you plan on doing a review of the Beelink GT-King II with the Amlogic A311D2 Looks like a solid unit.

This is the most exiting SBC I've seen. It has the power to be a decent server. With software support it can be a good Plex server. It is really a good desktop replacement. As seen on Ubuntu example. It's a potential easy to use KVM aswell with the HDMI input. Looks really good 👍😊! But what is the power consumption?

Hi Prime, can you tell me what the background music was in the beginning of your video? Seemed pretty nice and relaxing ☺️

The only thing that matters is.. does it have a reasonable easy to use API to access the GPIO's in something other than python?

How can you connect an NVMe drive to this board? I can't see the screwhole.

Nice review video, what is the maximum power consumption, which is a factor when installing on to a robot.

🤔. Am I the only one wondering about what we can use the motion function in this to build? I'm thinking a plug and play emulator for old arcade games that use a yolk or steering wheel. So Star Wars, Outrun, Battlezone, Pole Position etc.

Help me out, what's the point of HDMI in? ew a non full size HDMI connector :(

I'd love to see this board with multiple NIC's. Would be a lovely router/fw/docker machine

@PlaceholderforBjorn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. That would be awesome!

Does anyone know of a x86 SBC board with a PCIe slot? I really would love one to have it as my NAS.

does anyone know if this board have any overclocking ability for the CPU/GPU? cant see any mention of it anywhere, which may mean its not possible. looking for confirmation before a potential purchase?

Anyone know of some other cases for this? I'm working on a art project using VIM4 and want something I can make look more generic

Would love to see Batocera update their VIM3 to Vim4 image. Batocera would be a gaming beast.

I kinda wanna build this into a handheld, and I think it would be really cool, probably big like a OG gameboy

@shlokshah5379

2 жыл бұрын

You will also need the (or replace) fan for obvious reasons and a good battery to power both by then the size will be equivalent to Aya Neo air and the price will be too probably.

@KadiusFTW

2 жыл бұрын

@@shlokshah5379 its not that high a consumption, and I would be replacing the cooling solution anyways

are there any 16 core arm sbc's with good graphics for room to grow and support for everything emulation to google tv??

Could you please make a comparison video between Rockchip rk3588s VS Amlogic A311D2

Have you gotten your hands on a Apcsilmic Dot 1 Mini yet? I've been testing one out, with some work its a great retro gaming pc for late 90s early 2000s games using 32bit x86 emulation and microsofts dx12 to openGL dev patch & dgvoodoo2. Still hunting around for more native arm64 windows apps like emulators.

I was wondering the idle and maximum power consumption of this SBC.

The SBC market has been blowing since the RPi 4 hit..

@filthyfrankblack4067

2 жыл бұрын

@n n yeah and alot flew under the radar

this has same cpu as the new powkiddy max 3 do you know what we can expect to emulate with this? i were thinking of ordering one today but if its no diffrant to the rg405m i aint going to bother

HDMI input and video decocding/encoding (with different codecs ) tests please .

@PoeLemic

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, yes, I was asking the same thing. I'd like to know if you could use it as a Game-Recorder or some other types of media-encoding. If so, this would be pretty sweet. Be nice to transfer some of my old DVD's quickly to a MP3 format.

Could you boot from a M.2 SSD? And games like pubg you'll have to play them with a bluetooth controller right?

Around the same price range, I can get in Intel N5105 minipc that runs Windows and most Linux editions by default.

If the hdmi in and usb 2 places are changed and the AMD processor version comes out, I would be happy to buy it.

ooh, I'm really curious if the piKVM could be adapted to this. This SBC might be a bit of an overkill, but with the integrated HDMI input, it seems like a good candidate for a try. The piKVM is based on ARCH though, so not sure if that is already in the works.

@transatlant1c

2 жыл бұрын

maybe, but it's way more expensive than necessary, considering pikvm can run on any old random pi with a USB/CSI2 HDMI adaptor - all in for

Hey ETA, any update on testing newer releases of Ubuntu 22.04 or the 64-bit version of Android? Also, when you test more powerful SBCs, I'd love to see you testing some full PC games using box86/box64. There are prebuilt binaries for Ubuntu, and it allows you to run x86/x64 Linux apps (or Windows apps with WINE) on an ARM board. That's my main use case for SBCs, something capable of playing CS:S and other such games comfortably.

So the CPU is in 32 bit mode, so that means it could run at 64bit? I may have missed something there

HDMI in could be great to use the board as a network KVM.

>microHDMI in hmm, could this be the kit to make the external recorder of my dreams? really depends on how it can handle live encoding 4k on whether it's good enough for HDMI recording or streaming.

Do you think this is gonna be better than the announced ROCK5 Model B?

I wonder if you can build a NAS with this...

is there a way to set that F1 game to not tilt the camera?

This has 64bit support now. Will you possibly be able to do an update video?

What is the music in the background/???

This seems a bit steep in price to me....especially when I can get a complete micro-pc running windows for about $100 more.

@ATommy-lz4jd

2 жыл бұрын

Power consumption is a huge difference between a PC and single board computer when it comes to running all day long

@tk72231968

2 жыл бұрын

@n n I don't see the application at this price. There are already quality alternatives, many that have appeared on this channel.

@tk72231968

2 жыл бұрын

@n n No, my point is there are plenty of options at better prices.

@johnmichaels4330

2 жыл бұрын

@@tk72231968 completely agree. It could at least function well for the price. Guess it's just for developers.

Can I use python to control the GPIO pins?

I wonder how well this would work with it's Gyro as a car-pc? Run android, get Torque Pro, bluetooth (or usb) OBDII reader.... Future video? ;)

@TheRogueBro

2 жыл бұрын

I just wish i could get Torque Pro working with my 350z :(

@Summit900

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRogueBro Kinda shocked it doesn't.

Does the Juice Module work on this board?

inching closer and closer to a fully portable multi console that can do upto wii

Could you make a video with this SBC or other for video passthrough and recording from this? like recording a PC game with this SBC, is it possible? obs on ubuntu would work?

@PoeLemic

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, search my name. I just wrote the same exact question. Like here's my viewpoint on it ... Could this do video-encoding from the HDMI-in port? Like could you record gameplay at 1080p/60f or say some other content at 1080p/24f ? I'm not familiar with its encoding possiblities.

1) Any plan to test an SSD? 2) Is possible to install Android TV?

Hey ! I'm looking for portable touchscreen displays for portable PC & SBCs. My criteria is latency, sRGB & 60-120fps (VRR if possible). Please queue-up some & give a comparative review.

nice board to make a portable handheld off.

Is this better than the firefly sbc u did the other day?

What about the fan noise? Thanks.

looks pretty good.

It's 199$ ?? What's the point u can get a faster board with an rk3588 for half the price . I guess it's because of software support ?

I watch every SBC video hoping it's "the one" for an in-car project. One SBC will have aspects of what I wanna do but no Neo of SBC yet. Sad panda.

1.334,23 aqui pro Brasil, será que vale apena ?

Does it support VP9.2 ? (4K HDR from KZread)

Avec OOWOW, il ne manque que le CEC pour naviguer le Bios 🙏

Have you found any x86 MiniPC or SBC that has an M.2 with 2 PCIe Lanes?

@BienestarMutuo

2 жыл бұрын

rockpi 5

Is this a SBC or a media board? There is no audio out other than HDMI. Also if you use the case, there is no provision to use the M.2 slot which points out. I am not a programmer and found the software on the Vim 3 less than easy to use. The display never seemed to fit correctly. I was not impressed with the Vim 3.

the price is a bit steep for what kind of device we have, however i think there is one massive thing that got understated: it runs a 4k monitor. Something that the raspbery pi 4 cannot do (believe me i tried in several possible ways with even extreme overclocks on the gpu at 900-950 and cpu at 2147). Like moving windows around and web browsing in a normal non struggling way is exactly what people expect from this kind o devices. Also it is compelling because while most used PCs will be able to crush this guy at the same price, few of them will run a 4k monitor due to old hdmi specs.

@foldionepapyrus3441

2 жыл бұрын

Really depends on what you expect out of it, the Pi4 can run two 4K screens surprisingly well for what it is, though I'd agree its not really snappy doing so it does work, which for such a small cheap board is still pretty damn impressive. Personally I run my daily driver Pi4 with a pretty hefty overclock and massive heatsink at either 1080p or 2K (1080p as with PiP features on my monitor its an easy way to 'zoom' and make the small text legible in the smallest window when) and find its flawless at both of those. Also wouldn't call this board that steep in price, at least if they can actually provide, or provide the community with the tools to make it actually function to its potential, right now I'd not give you an older Pi model for it...

@picchioknossus8096

2 жыл бұрын

@@foldionepapyrus3441 really man try to open on one screen (with 4kp60 of course) a chrome Window bigger than 1080p and it behaves like it's moving it at 5-10fps. Litterally it cannot even scroll a Web page in a non painful way. On the other hand it seems that this device can.

@foldionepapyrus3441

2 жыл бұрын

@@picchioknossus8096 Didn't say a Pi was perfect, just that it works surprising well - I have had two 4K displays connected to one, and yes its not anything like as smooth with all things as it will be a 1080 or 2K but it does work really rather well, sometimes so well you can't tell its a Pi, which for such a cheap and tiny device is rather impressive - all SBC's lack the snappiness of their 10-20x peak power draw amd64 with dedicated gpu... So working at all for any task at 4K is actually pretty damn cool, its just not really what the Pi is great at.

Can you test streaming from PC using paraec and h265 codec?

@PoeLemic

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, lot of us want to know how useful that HDMI-in is. My question to him ... Could this do video-encoding from the HDMI-in port? Like could you record gameplay at 1080p/60f or say some other content at 1080p/24f ? I'm not familiar with its encoding possiblities.

Once the software matures this will be a great lower priced alternative to RK3588 SBCs.

Think it could run plex with multiple 4k streams?

5:14 Ubuntu 22.4 with Kernel 5.4 ???

Hi... Would you make a riview beelink gt king II .. Thx

What is the price on your setup here

Impressionante 🇧🇷

Having gyro on an SBC is actually pretty interesting

Is it possible to dual boot Linux+Android?

Big question is for that price point, how does it compare to the nvidia shield pro? If I have the shield pro, is this really worth it?

@MarkFletcher2001

2 жыл бұрын

@No Ta Thanks, I will! I have a raspberry pi 4 with gpio and hdmi if I want to go down that route. Between the raspberry pi and my shield pro, this is of absolute no use to me and a complete waste of time! 😆😎

I love 💕 this board.

The case looks like a cylon basestar

I'd love to see a similarly laid out board with a 6600U style chip in it. Maybe give it a normal HDMI instead and some WiFi. You've got the basis for a diy steam deck.

@KadiusFTW

2 жыл бұрын

I would say a 6500U or 6300Udue to power constraints.

@qazwsx000xswzaq

2 жыл бұрын

Instead of 6X00U, the modern equivalent would be the Jasper Lake N5105 or N6005. They perform as good as if not better than 6X00U within the same power envelope.

@KadiusFTW

2 жыл бұрын

@@qazwsx000xswzaq for cpu performance maybe but not gpu performance, which is what I was referencing. Rdna2.

@qazwsx000xswzaq

2 жыл бұрын

@@KadiusFTW Oh crap. I thought you were referring to the good old Intel 6x00U series that is still found in some mini pcs and industrial pico boards. For such small form factor, I dun think anything other than Ryzen Embedded or Ryzen for Chromebook can fit the footprint and power envelope. Even these two series too will have a lot of wasted potential.

@KadiusFTW

2 жыл бұрын

@@qazwsx000xswzaq Thats what I was saying, the ryzen u series can be tuned down to 12w for laptops, so the same could be done here. Say a 6350U @15w tdp and 8gb ddr5 in single/dual channel

Waw! Looks so slick! They can drop Ubuntu support as far as i’m concerned… curious where this goes…

@bthegawd8113

2 жыл бұрын

Dude get rid of that stupid Ukraine logo. Stop being a sheep that follows the latest government supported trend.

No AV1 decode?

What is the score of this device in the Antutu benchmark?

@brunoluizfranca8616

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if I asked the question right. I am using the google translator.

Do you think it can compete with the Rockchip rk3588? I'm tempted to buy it as a silent development computer but I wonder if the CPU is actually able to function as a desktop with something like vscode

@zorintoto1167

2 жыл бұрын

Also has a better GPU

@lemsip_

2 жыл бұрын

Do you specifically need ARM? I've had a few silent dev machines. The previous one was a fanless haswell machine (i5, 16gb ram, 256ssd). Picked up 2nd hand on eBay in 2018 for £130. It was great, much faster than any arm board, runs any Linux distro, or Windows. Replaced with a base m1 air, and now repurposed as a silent living room emulation / cloud gaming box.

@JuanPablo-ho7fg

2 жыл бұрын

@@lemsip_ Well I want them to be fanless if possible. So I dunno if I can get an x86 pc like that.

@transatlant1c

2 жыл бұрын

@@JuanPablo-ho7fg you definitely can, just depends on what you want to do and how much you want to spend. have a look at streacom cases for some inspo

@foldionepapyrus3441

2 жыл бұрын

Pick your poison on silent PC - either its very powerful, costs heaps and really large or its something like a Pi4 or this that will do the job just fine, is tiny but does lack that potency to do your big compile in a few mins - if you are happy to wait a bit longer silence isn't that hard to get, but if you must have good performance its tricky as most fanless and 'silent' laptops are not able to run more than a few seconds flat out, and the desktops you can get around that problem, but its costs you heaps in the cooler. For instance the Toughbook CF-19 is fanless - the ones I have get rather toasty to touch if you run it flat out for more than a few mins, and it will throttle even in pretty cold rooms. They are old though so not sure what the last CF-19 revision is like, or the newer models - toughbook are great but expensive...

Can we get a url for case to buy?

Retro Arena is coming to vim 4!

Would proton work on this?

Hello, I am Brazilian and I follow your videos, I saw that you managed to install Chrome os with Google play on a Dell Optplex 7010, could you show in a new video how to do this? I couldn't understand

I do not think 🤔 you will read a comment in an old video, but if you do, can you make a video on using that system to capture video and stream it on twitch if possible :)

HDMI in...? For streaming? That gyro feels like you should make a custom tablet out of it

Is it possible to use this vim 4 as a Capture Card for your pc?

@designart18

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. That's totally possible! HDMI Capture up to 4K 60 frames.

Seem promising

@ETAPRIME

2 жыл бұрын

With some updates it should be pretty nice little board