THis is why I subscribed to your channel. It's a gold mine of knowledge.. Thank you for doing this!

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

His coverage of SBC'S isn't good at all tho. The RK3588 is still a very immature Chipset and struggles with any applications outside of general use. It's not optimized for Gaming.

This SBC is still expensive but interesting nonetheless, especially with how capable it is. I'd really love to see companies adapting this SBC in their handhelds.

@TakiUdon

Жыл бұрын

Soon

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

The Rock5 board is cheaper. However you shouldn't buy it for customer purposes until the RK3588 reaches maturity. It is not mature yet and is not optimized for Gaming yet.

@r0galik

Жыл бұрын

@@Pridetoons you can't buy rock5...

@eniyisarkilar

Жыл бұрын

​@@TakiUdon make a handheld console from that SBC. You can use a portable LCD/IPS/LED screen/monitor and razer kishi. Body of the handheld console made by a 3D printer or use a body of Anbernic552/PSVita/Powkiddy

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

@@eniyisarkilar That would be a terrible idea because the developers won't be able to get anything out of the Chipset yet.

This is VERY promising, exactly the kind of thing my Grandfather was talking about taking over the consumer sector a few years ago. It's well fleshed out as a platform out of the box, just needs some kernel side modules taken FOSS (or R.E.'d by the community) and it'll be ready to go as a full-fat workhorse.

Man good to see more of your videos I'm waiting for the Win 4 I hope you get more info soon , keep it up thanks

Wow, that's hands down the best review video I ever seen. Nicely done!

Until this gets a Mainline Linux kernel it's true Gaming potential will never be reached.

@infinitebeats6444

Жыл бұрын

_Here we see a wild Arch user btw in it's natural habitat_

@spayder26

Жыл бұрын

Good thing is once we hear it is a Rockchip SoC we already know we're not interested without watching the whole thing.

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

@@spayder26 That's incredibly one-dimensional thinking. There's nothing wrong with Rockchips. The problem right now with the RK3588 is the fact that it's immature like the RK3399 was about a few years ago.

@-aexc-

Жыл бұрын

@@infinitebeats6444 I'm a fedora user and agree with them

@rassular

Жыл бұрын

@@spayder26 it's actually the only one that interests me of any of the ARM chips out now lol

Imagine this thing in a handheld console! I can't wait to see SBCs take over gaming

I would love to see Recalbox distro running on this board!

"I initially was not getting good performance when it comes to N64 on this board" - I had the same results with my actual N64 😄

While not super affordable, it’s priced pretty competitively especially for a board coming from Khadas. Looking forward to seeing how this does using Android.

Good thing you included other items in the opening clip... For a second, I wondered how many of your viewers would even recognize an audio cassette, let alone it's relative size! lol

thank for video. very interesting!

Holy crap, we finally have a ARM SBC that can truly replace a desktop. Will be ordering one soon!

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

This true however If you want to game on it it's still going to take some time to fully mature.

Great review! New sub

I don't know why i clicked on this video, but i'm kinda glad I did. thanks for the show of how nice linux runs on this little guy... very impressive. interesting.

What a nice little chip, and video

Cool video, alot of performance test. Can imagine me trying to troubleshoot it. And mentioning i dont know. Personally looking to use my extra nintendo wii controllers, with emulation system. Going to look at the video you have.

Could you make an arm mounted cyberdeck with this? I feel that could be an awesome project especially if you load it up with sensors and add a head mounted display + use the sensors for gyro controlled mouse movement!!! House it in a 3d printed case and you have a nice piece of kit!

@kingmasterlord

Жыл бұрын

I'm working on similar stuff

@thatguyalex2835

Жыл бұрын

Well, the computer is ARM based... Ok, I'll walk out the door. So, I guess that answers your question. By the way, what is a cyber deck? Is it like a portable PC that does VR?

wow looks perfect for a cyberdeck

Loving the content! Keep up the awesome work! Much love from Portugal!

@TakiUdon

Жыл бұрын

What part? 😅

@ZaneKyber

Жыл бұрын

I know this youtuber who loves to think he's smart, but then he said he thought Portugal was in South America

@rubensilva7547

Жыл бұрын

@@TakiUdon every part!

make a handheld console from that SBC. You can use a portable LCD/IPS/LED screen/monitor and razer kishi. Body of the handheld console made by a 3D printer or use a body of Anbernic552/PSVita/Powkiddy

Thx for these vids, most handheld that can do gen 6, too large for my taste maybe I have to make my own. I love to have something Miyoo mini size, minus the screen.

the quality of your videos is unparalleled. you're so thorough and detailed, but explain things in ways that are easy to understand. excellent work, as always!

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

When it comes to Handhelds yes. When it comes to Phones yes. When it comes to Emulation yes. When it comes to Mini PC's yes he knows his stuff. However when it comes to SBC'S his coverage is not good at all. You'd be better off with ETA Prime, Computers Explained, Micro Linux, or the Byteman. This is not good coverage.

I've been debating on getting a snapdragon 855 phone to do emulation for a while this rk 3588s seems to be a perfect fit for a portable PS2 your videos are actually helping me make a more informed decision I know it's still early days and some games will have issues but if it can do GTA and burnout I'm in

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

Right now a Snapdragon 855 phone would be a far better purchase for Emulation because this is still very immature and not optimized for gaming.

@pcgrimreaper1562

Жыл бұрын

@@Pridetoons I'm mainly looking for ps2 emulation aether sx2 is a god send but to me snapdragon 855 seems a little weak and no real process advantage with later chips 865 and others If I a'm wrong please let me know but from what I've seen the 855 dosent give me much confidence

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

@@pcgrimreaper1562 A Poco X3 Pro + A Razor Kishi does it for me.

@ekinteko

Жыл бұрын

@@Pridetoons A better option is the Samsung S10+ and Razer JungleCat. Sure it's worse in many ways, but it is actually pocketable. Going too big, most people prefer to just bring their Nintendo Switch or Valve SteamDeck instead, since they're lugging around a backpack.

@pcgrimreaper1562

Жыл бұрын

@@bulletpunch9317 Its close but I have concerns with that CPU being able to keep up with demanding titles burnout Is a very fast title for it to not start chugging that game I just don't know more research is required phones are getting there thanks for the recommendation

looks cool, but for diy portable lacks battery and audio, audio still can be solved with a screen but a battery controller would be cool

I built a portable monitor (with battery) into a briefcase, had a pc stick hidden behind the lining (with ventilation), and a second tiny Raspberry Pi screen dedicated to whats app or spotify... depends who Joe Rogan has on. In the bottom I had a rubbish android TV box hidden and bluetooth keyboard and mouse that came out. It was designed to run with or without power (that plugged into the side of the case), was light, and felt like a desktop even if sat in a cafe. This would be an amazing addition, or even possibly a replacement for the stick PC.

Seria um ótimo Hard ON para o Sega Dreamcast, conectando no lugar do modem, e atualizando o Sistema da Sega, para Memória, Internet, Wii-Fi, entre outra coisa...

Arm Linux is getting so good lately.

This is really a great video, do you have any for the FIREFLY RK3588S PC installing step by step UBUNTU?

I would like to see switch and 3ds emulation on android with this, considering generally skyline and citra are held back by mali gpus

A single-board computer (SBC) is a complete computer built on a single circuit board, with microprocessor(s), memory, input/output (I/O) and other features required of a functional computer. Single-board computers are commonly made as demonstration or development systems, for educational systems, or for use as embedded computer controllers. Many types of home computers or portable computers integrate all their functions onto a single printed circuit board.

Can you help me with the timing for pressing Function + Reset to get into OOWOW? I have android installed, and want to get back to OOWOW to go to Linux, but can't seem to get the button combo correct....

I hope they update the vim with this new chipset. I am a fan of the 40 pin gpio.

The screen connectors you mentioned on the back, are they the same type the the Raspberry PI uses?

0:02 wow, a cassette in 2022 a blast from the past 😂🤣

Make your own Handheld with this!!! Please!! @retrobreeze is doing this as well. Would be great to see different people making their own handhelds.

I am so glad that I did not recycle my old 386 laptop. I can gut the 386, install this sbc board and have a modern laptop. Hopefully I can reuse the keyboard and keep it as the only original component.

Could you please link the little ESP32 dev board at 2:42 ? Looking for a new one thats more reliable and less buggy than the sparkfun one i had. Thanks taki!

I’d love to see someone with better skills and experience than me incorporate this board into something like an RG 503.

@PixelisedPaul

Жыл бұрын

25 watts tells me it would be a waste of time

There is pros and cons to using the network to up the firmware or os update. Plus a lot of R&D for network for security as well in case the company goes out of business so it would be locked out.

@albertstrohmaier4034

Жыл бұрын

Does it not have the ability to install from sd card? You just pointed out a huge deal breaker.

@Taki, Please look into Friendly Elec NanoPi R6S. I'd love to see a head to head comparison as the R6S is less than half the price. It even has an available CNC Aluminum heat sink case for 20 dollars more. The R6S uses the same CPU, with Mali-G610 GPU, 32GB EMMC and 8GB LPDDR4X at 2133MHz. The one thing I disliked on the Edge 2 is the apparent lack of a MicroSD slot. I was looking forward to getting the Edge 2 Pro until I realized there is no MicroSD slot. The R6S has a MicroSd slot which considering the low number of USB ports is very much needed for ROM storage. I'd love to see a video giving your thoughts on the R6S as an Android emulation box.

I am purchasing an Ayaneo Air Pro and I was just wondering what docking station I could use for it? I want something that holds it up.

Makes me wonder if you take the steam deck motherboard and just plug into USBC dock what you can get out of it.

Hey Taki. Couldn't you have used a bootable usb drive with clonezilla or a similar tool to backup an image of your linux install and then install Android? It's a good idea to backup a fresh install once you have everything setup so you can revert later anyway.

Would it be possible to power it from the battery of a lapdock like the next dock?

I use a lot of webgl for work, (OnShape CAD) any way you can test the webgl performance and show how the real time rendering performs?

The sony CFH 60 is one of the better Type I cassettes, but not as good as the TDK FE90 or BASF ones. I did like Type II cassettes a lot, even some entry level ones, like the maxell SQ90 (which i did transplant into better shells at some point), Fuji DRII and TDK SuperCDing. But my all time favourite will be the Sony UX Pro, a perfect Type II cassette. Sadly i only have three of them. And nowadays they have gotten so expensive, especially NOS, because there are collectors which use them as trading item, instead of using them to record something on them. Maybe because they don't know how to operate and maintain a good cassette deck.

@thatguyalex2835

Жыл бұрын

You are very knowledgeable on cassette tapes. Technology, both mechanical and digital fascinate me also, whether it is from 1750, 1990s or 2023. All I know is that standard music cassette tapes can be used for data storage on computers with a special tape drive. :) Was born in the 1990s, so only saw a few cassettes in the 2000s, and tangled a few as a 7-8 year old kid back in the late 2000s. Sony does make good tapes though. Well hey, the Japanese make good tech in general. Would love to go there one of these days and visit the technology centers in Tokyo. Sadly, flights to Asia are like 2x more expensive than elsewhere overseas. Anyways, happy New Year brother.

Thanks for review. Some questions though: Running this on battery will be quite difficult i bet. Im thinking if you aim at 2 * 18650 batteries? Im looking to get something like this for the only purpose to emulate games, and building a handheld with a 7" inch screen on my own. But i think so far the Raspberry pi zero 2W seems best in terms of batterylife. Because in my opnion, if you cant emulate on battery power, i could aswell just use my PC instead :)

Hi. It's so weird that gpu acceleration works only under wayland. That looks like some kind of screw up in the ubuntu image. Have you tried to switch your desktop to X11 to see if you get batter performance. (It can be done on the login screen. little gear icon right bottom corner)

@LivingLinux

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's the Ubuntu image. I tested an experimental Vulkan driver on my Pinebook Pro with Manjaro and there it also worked only on Wayland. There are fundamental differences between Wayland and X11, so things working on Wayland won't automatically work on X11 (and vice versa). As an example, lots of screen recorders working on X11 don't work on Wayland.

@ladislavlipka200

Жыл бұрын

@@LivingLinux Yes, that makes sense if you run wayland session and try to run x11 apps under it using xwayland. But doesn't make sesne if you run full blown x11 session. The driver is still provided the same way and should behave the same way either if you run wayland or x11 session.

Wonder how this could handle streaming over OBS

Okay, it works w/ a TV... Try plugging it into a dedicated VESA computer monitor. The Vim3 won't work with computer monitors, and Khadas wasn't able or willing to correct it. Khadas also doesn't continue developing for previous boards, so their products' lifecycles are severely shortened. The Vim3 Pro (they still sell them) is an Ubuntu 20.04 system. All this said, they're not as bad as Seeed Studios.

Gonna keep my eye on this SBC. Seems like a butch core for a cyber deck.

Taki would u say this unit is abetter board than the new latte panda ???

Hey Taki! I'm really close to pulling the trigger to buy one of these, I was wondering if this supports the Linux Gadget API for USB Gadgets via its OTG port? If it does, it's literally perfect for my current project idea.

@DingleFlop

4 ай бұрын

That's really cool that you got another unit to keep your linux safe!

Will the Edge2 Pro get Widevine L1 and Netflix ESN on android image?

The soldered on RTC battery is concerning. They should have put it into a holder. If that thing leaks in a couple of years, it will chew through the PCB. Definetly something i would replace for a sealed battery and a holder.

i wonder what the second board next to the box is

I like it!!

i just got my khadas edge 2 and was wondering how do you get rid of the serial console enabled on android and fully unroot it. or will i have to wait for khadas/community to post updated android OS.

So Edge II or Vim 4?? I am planning of getting one of them to replace my Rasberry Pi in a boat navigation system application.

Did check and see if the gravity sensor (KXTJ3-1057) works in Android 12?

@allthings3d

Жыл бұрын

Also, interested to know what kind of score Edge 2 gets on 3DMark? Someone else made a comment that it doubles the performance of the Shield TV 2019 TX1+. If this is true, this could be and excellent little unit since it costs roughly the same for basic model with 3 times the RAM and 4 times the EMMC storage. In fact the cheaper Nvidia Shield TV "Tube" @ $150 (or higher) has even less memory/storage, no USB and only WiFi 5G/BT 4.2 . It does have ethernet though and built in AC to 5VDC unit built in.

I'm curious if it's possible to get windows on one of these little boards? I've seen other SBCs can do a version of windows on them.

@jasonhill8696

Жыл бұрын

Windows ARM is only available to OEMs

Does it handel high frequency vidéo output? (I mean Can WE use a gaming monitor 144hz at least)

Would be nice if you could mount this board in a laptop chassis.

The final fantasy-look alike at around 12:00. What game is that?

I want one! Will rk3399 software run on it? Would be great to have Twister OS on it

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

No, there's no Mainline Linux kernel yet. So no Box86, Box64, Box32, DXVK, MESA, or Wine.

Best always comes out of China! Thanks for the review, love mine. Just received it a week ago and can confirm this is killer makers' hardware 🥇

I want a 3588 handheld.

can i use this instead of my raspberry pi3 in my vintage arcade cabinet? is it simple to do?

@LivingLinux

Жыл бұрын

How is the Pi 3 connected? USB and HDMI?

What item is missing from the opening shot? 😁

did it work for cluster system like rasperry pi

This could replace my Nvidia Shield as an Android TV device.

Anyone knows what is the status of wine/proton on arm these days? Because I would like to load this thing up with few Windows games from my childhood that are supported on Wine so I can take them with me wherever I go.

I'm not sure what Wayland is. Is this something you can use on Android I have an older phone?

@QuarterSwede

Жыл бұрын

It’s basically a Linux communication protocol between the OS, software, and the graphics card. It’s not a driver because it does far more but that’s the easiest way to explain it. In Linux, if there is Wayland support the GPU does the work and frees the CPU up to do what it’s designed for.

If you've got the budget to blow on it, you might consider picking up an nVidia Jetson developer boards. The Nano is a bit underpowered but is somewhat inexpensive, while the Orin AGX 64Gb is, well, quite a bit overkill for most applications. It basically has the trimmed-down OEM RTX3050 built into the SoC along with a 12-core ARM based processor. Pretty impressive stuff, if only the price tag wasn't around $2k USD. Still, it's mostly intended for AI development purposes, image recognition and neural net training and all that jazz, so using it for retro console emulation would be quite a bit different than its intended purpose. It would probably do just fine, though, as it should for that ridiculous price. Supposedly you can buy a Mediatek Dimensity 9000 development board for $700USD, but given that I've only managed to find a single site listing it, I'm not sure of the veracity of the product. If you could actually find one of those, then it would be a rather interesting buy, since it's around the performance of Qualcomm's Snapdragon 8 gen1 (which costs $1300USD in developer board format). The world of SBC and development boards is quite broad, it would seem.

You should see how Batocera runs on this board.

I think it's notable that you are surprised that the most basic things are working like gpu acceleration. Which is not the default in the SBC space. We really need to demand more and not let companies get away with mediocre software support!

where did you get a cassette?

@TakiUdon

Жыл бұрын

Bought one online :D

Did can run youtube 1440p 30/60 fps without fps drops ?

@miyamotomasao3636

Жыл бұрын

And what about 4k60 ? Most of those testers carefully avoid testing this ! Sounds like marketing more than anything !

taki, why not show some geekbench5 scores on this thing????

Try windowsArm Edition on this please

I want it

can you power it using a power bank?

By the very first frame it is a distinct explanation, what age you should be to watch that video 😅😅😅 A compact cassette and a Famicom cartridge. Not even a NES one, LOL

Would you say this could operate well as a Plex server?

Can a i3core and Gt630 4gb can do PS2 or Wii?

@TakiUdon

Жыл бұрын

Yes, 1x native or higher should be possible.

I hope you have removed sticker label from the SOC that is a HUGE temp transfer block.

I'm more impressed with the cassette tape!!!

can it run windows s ?

Please try pegasus os on Android on this board

core m3/5 compute sticks?? yes they lack memory but..

Wow this is sikk , i still didn't get my orange pi zero 2 running and i had it for like 3-4 years since its release 😂..oh shiii this one is 200$ compared to the 25$ orange pi

@TakiUdon

Жыл бұрын

I accidentally fried my Zero 2. I was so bummed. :D

It's probably just cost. It probably is a 4:4 chip, just a reject one where 2 of the A76 cores are are bit crap and can't run at full speed. So they downclock those cores, call it a 4;2:2 and sell it a bit cheaper than the 4:4

Holly cow my machine scores 1165 on the Wayland test with Intel UHD 600 (not the strongest clearly). This SBC is insane!

It is good but not as feature packed as it could have been. No ethernet is not great and with no NVME support on the board, too expensive for what you get. The best thing that it shows off is just how good the RK3588 is, which I feel will be showcased much better and with more features and value in the Radxa Rock5B, when it starts shipping soon. I just can't see who will want this right now, when it's one unique feature is Ooowow, which I feel will be copied by others very soon.

But can it run Auto Modellista?

@Pridetoons

Жыл бұрын

Once the Chipset matures it can most definitely run Auto Modelista.

That’s about 5x as much power draw as an rPi 4. One wonders what they think people will use such a small sbc for with it drawing that much power. The advantage of size is lost if you need a lot of power for it to operate.

@DigitalJedi

Жыл бұрын

The advantage of it being small is not lost if it draws some extra watts. The cooler is still pretty compact as well. The intended application is likely in a robotics or digital signage, where the board would have a lot of power available to it, but being compact makes it easier to integrate into a design.

looks cool. too expensive. I don't want to be angry finding out how it is different from using a raspberry pi

anyone got power draw specs for this?

@brymstoner

Жыл бұрын

updating this for future interest now that i have mine. i put ubuntu desktop on mine and using a usb-c to usb-c power cable, it idles at around 4.5w with the hdmi to usb-c plugged in, and 1.8w with the hdmi to usb-c unplugged (for when i just ssh in to monitor server instances). using a usb-a to usb-c power cable will make the board draw more power; i saw mine idling around 6.6w. i also experienced display issues using different power cables. usb-a to usb-c gave me a flashing black screen (which is a wayland window drawing issue iirc), which was completely resolved using a usb-c to usb-c power cable. initial boot makes it peak around 18w. also, my experience of the quality of the bluetooth audio is terrible. i'm looking around for suitable audio solutions now. honestly, i'll probably settle for some usb speakers. it's not a total replacement for my ubuntu desktop just yet. but if the software can be further developed, it's a real contender.

remind me again what does SBC stand for?

@adrianjohnson6454

Жыл бұрын

Single board computer Woooooosh i know ;)