drooling over this sbc, thank you so much for the review!

Nice board... price would be OK, but on the order page: "Edge2 ARM PC is available for Pre-order. Item(s) will be shipped on or before 20th Dec." So, thanks to your channel: 1 - I will not buy anything today, as this card is so much better than what is available now 2 - By the end of the year, you will certainly have reviewed even better SBC, albeit not available: GOTO 1. 😄

I am glad to see mor SBC's using the Rockchip RK3588S. So far my favorite is the ROC-RK3588S-PC by Firefly

This slim SBC with USB Type C ports is in the right direction for a portable [ display + SBC ] setup with an SBC pluggable and detachable at the rear of the display for outside use. Now that there is no Ethernet port on the SBC, it would be really useful to test USB type C hubs (bandwidth, power consumption, hub size, nb of ports, type of ports, ..) and check simultaneous downloads over Ethernet + other protocols (file copy to M.2, etc..). Some of these hubs are terrible at handling high-speed transfer for simultaneous communications, and some work fine.

I like the low profile of the board. It would make it easier to use in projects like tablets and laptops. The Raspberry Pi CM4 is also very slim but it can't be used by itself.

@alerey4363

Жыл бұрын

also there's been a massiva shortage of CM4s and RPi4s worldwide, it's always good to have alternative SBCs

Khadas has definitely come back this year with a purpose! The vim4 and edge2 back to back. That amazing oowow bootloader is a game changer. Great video Leepspvideo! Always excited to watch a single board computer video on this channel. You always give me something important to know about every time. Many thanks!

@joelee24

Жыл бұрын

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This is quite helpful.. Thank you so much.. as always ✌🏽

Such a tempting SBC even though it's equally tempting to get a mecotronics bare rk3588motherboard in the 16gb ram and 64gb storage version for close to the same value

This SoC is amazing. The problem as always is community support, software, etc. There's Raspberry Pi, then there's Odroid.. and then all the way over there in the distance there's everyone else.

To fix the shadows with Motorstorm Artic Edge, you enable cheats in PPSSPP and can I think it was a disabled shadows option and also has a 60 fps patch for most psp games. I used shaders to enhance it even further.

It’s the orientation of the I/O for me 😍. 7:35 😂 we know how that went down. 9:56 I hope you remove the plastic from the thermal pad 😱. 💯

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

I did. 👍🏻

Dave mirra was a fav of mine too

Would like a shootout between this and the nvidia shield

RockChip are rocking it. I use a cheaper embedded version from the same generation in a new commercial project. Nice device.

At first I thought there wasn't any GPIO but after going over the website I see that it is on a breakout cable that connects to the ports next to the back-side CSI connectors... which you only get with the 'maker kit' - this is also how you connect an SD card. on that i/o breakout- the website is is a bit confusing about this, but it's not too hard, you just have to read every bit of text to figure it out.... also, you only get this i/o breakout if you get the 'maker kit' , the other version comes with a case and no breakout because they say it will be blocked by the case..... well I think they should include this breakout stuff anyway because it costs more and you lose SO MUCH functionality with out any access to GPIO and ease of transferring with the sd card without having to unplug usb ports.... and it's a bit expensive for me to use in a maker sense anyway... but then again it is SUPER POWERFUL, so it could be useful for creating more complex a.i. needed 'stuff' (robots, etc) I don't think it would be a bad purchase if you need more power, or even a simple computer for everyday use... I like it a lot... I just dont need it right now :)

hello, which is your opinion that it's a better sbc board pc? khadas edge 2 pro or ROC-RK3588S-PC? Both configured with 16 GB of RAM. Thanks!

Could you test 1080 60fps ? Most sbc now days can do 1080 30fps in linux. For daily driver situations some youtube videos are only in 1080 60fps so I am curious if I would be able to use linux for everthing. The 60fps in linux is the only thing no other reviewers show.

I'm always looking out for new high-powered ARM SBC's that would be suitable for more CPU/GPU/IO-intensive applications than the Pi. However, I note that higher-end products start to butt up against the baseline M1 Mac Mini price-wise (especially in US pricing because heavy discounts on some Apple products seems to be available), but don't get close to the performance - often resulting in the Mac being the overall better value proposition. This reinforces my conviction that the M1 Mac represents superb value when it comes to the balance between price/performance/power consumption despite it being a 'premium' product. Obviously, it's bigger physically than most cased SBCs, but it's still a lot less intrusive than a conventional PC. It fits many people's definition of low-cost, and in terms of 'bang for your buck' it's probably peerless.

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

How much can you get an M1 mini in the US? Surely the price isn’t that close. I love my M1 MacBook Air.

@ninline2000

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo Walmart has refurbished 2020 M1 Mini for $605

@afriedli

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo According to MacRumours, discounts of up to $130 for the baseline model can be found (i.e. prices from $569). AppleInsider reports current discounts of up to $110 (i.e. price $589). Yes, that's still more expensive than most SBCs (even including case, PSU, SSD, etc) but high-spec SBCs are multi-hundred dollars, and getting towards the region of a Mac Mini, which at ~$500 still qualifies as low cost computing. In the case of the SBC you're reviewing in this video, the 'pro' version is priced at $329, which will rise to $369 next month. At that price point I'd be seriously considering going the whole hog and spending an extra $200 to move to M1 architecture, with the blazing performance that brings.

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

@@ninline2000 I agree it’s a great price but it’s a long way from the $199 launch price of this SBC. Normal price $239

@martinbower2915

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo the board you reviewed is the 16gb version, so $299

"All links will be accessible 20th sept +8 gmt" ... oof, clicking on the Khadis link it 404s (currently 5pm gmt+8 20th sept). Such a nice looking SBC though *druels*

Plz do wifi test in future if you get it connected.

I think the reason Fortnite was kicking you was because you were using a controller. For the Android build they consider that cheating because most use touch screen controls, which for FPS games are awful. I'd bet if you used it in the tablet format you could get a full play in.

Nice video. I had planned on buying the pro version with case. I see there is no MicroSD slot. This may be a dealbreaker for me even with the 64GB EMMC. I'd hoped to use MicroSD for game storage.

@Khadas

Жыл бұрын

Hi Billy. Thanks for your interest on Edge2. Actually we are working on an extension board for Edge2 with MicroSD slot. We will share some info about it on our forum: forum.khadas.com/ : P

Wish this chip was on the VIM4.

I got an awser from Kadhas team. Edge 2 pro doesnt support 144hz high monitor fréquencies and More

Once again, if I have $200 to spend, am I going to get one of these or a refurbished laptop with a quad core Core-i series CPU in it that also has all of the peripherals like keyboard, screen and storage already included with it? The comments here always seem to focus on "how well does it game", yet there are always better devices for gaming at this kind of price level anyway. If you're doing AI computing at the Edge and IoT then there's always a case for as much CPU power as possible in a small device - but devices like these are not aimed at the same audience as the Pi is. It's always good having a review of these devices and knowing what is new on the market - but I always end up with a big "meh", usually about the time I find out what the price is.

@novalover5033

Жыл бұрын

Then Name BETTER

@terrydaktyllus1320

Жыл бұрын

@@novalover5033 I have no idea what you are talking about.

the only video i've found so far which shows power draw. biggest take away for me; that power monitoring usb cable! curious as to why you'd install a desktop environment on ubuntu server though. i prefer to ssh into my servers.

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

I like a gui

@brymstoner

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo that's fair enough. to each their own and all that.

I've been looking for a comparison video that actually shows all these SBCs together as looking for an alternative to my recent Pi 4B 8gb and as much as the the RK3588 looks impressive I see it lacks the OS support that you get from the Pi community. Ideally I'd love a CM4 yet they're near unobtanium or expensive from Chinese sellers. Saying that its great to see the likes of Mekotronics producing affordable boards, although I prefer the smaller sized Khadas boards with a preference for the Edge 2 as better emulation potential?! Here's hoping you manage to get a Radxa ROCK5 Model B to tryout once they release or a Firefly RK3588 version as I hear good things about their ITX-3588J board but its quite pricey...? Great work by the way!

@bskull3232

Жыл бұрын

Don't buy the Edge 2. If you want a CM4 replacement, go for a Radxa CM5 (to be released soon), which has the same RK3588S, running the same validated software suite currently runs on Rock 5, and is of the same size of CM4. If you want something in a nice box ready for use, go for an R6S. Edge 2 looks nice on paper, but the board certainly is either designed to be a small computer (which its GPU is not powerful enough, though its CPU is really cool), or to be embedded in a system (which it lacks mechanical connections to be fixed onto anything), or to be a desktop embedded development board (which its GPIO connectors are horrendously prohibitive to be used in this scenario), so it tried to satisfy both markets, but really satisfied none. Reference: a not very satisfied Edge 2 user.

It is likely from all that we have seen from RK3588 devices so far that Android is where there is most overall benefit right now, in particular hardware accelerated video playback, which, as history shows us, is almost never going to generate the manufacturer drivers for open source use to enable that maximum GPU performance in Linux etc Lack of Ethernet is a downer for me and no onboard support for NVME significantly decreases the value, especially at the prices being charged, even early bird. The Rock 5B seems to combine the features and price that will likely attract the greatest interest, even though it is still a few weeks away from consumer sales. We will of course have to wait for reviews to assess its full value. The Edge2 is another example of how the RK3588 is a quantum leap forward in terms of the Rockchip/AMLogic/Allwinner battles at there end of the market but the overall package of the Edge2 in comparison with its actual price means that I would not give it serious consideration. The optional Edge2 Active Cooling Kit seems to be an almost required purchase, adding to the cost, but there is no mention of price of purchase availability. What really stood out from the review was what happened when it was connected to the RasPad and even the tiny demonstration of its use showed a flowing and fast operation, which bolds well for use in tablets and especially add to the burgeoning gaming handheld market.

Thanks for the video, I was wondering, is it possible to add M2 NVMe storage as a boot drive?

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

Not that I know of yet, try asking on the Khadas forums

I saw a couple other boards being reviewed recently, 1/2 the price but around an 1/8 the performance. This absolutely knocks it out the park.

yea they've updated the ooWow install images.... android 12 looked to show is was a sept 2 image and the two ubuntu images were on sept 12th i think (i just came from an ETA Prime video about the Edge2) - but he only showed Ubuntu and not Android, but he said he has a full Android video coming out soon.... so you can prolly make a video about Android 12 now :)

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

Android wasn’t working this morning I let the team know. Now it is available it has chrome browser and Google play store. Plus some Khadas specific settings. Currently downloading some things to try.

Did you try PICO Pi with RK3588S (16GB Ram + 64GB eMMC) and use it on CrowPi2? I wanna use it instead of Raspberry Pi 4B+, but I have the trouble to set up

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t

Lee. Sold my Pi400 so someone else could use and it wasn't powerful enough. Could this sbc easily get put into the pi400 frame ?

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

It’s a completely different shape to the Pi 400. You sold the Pi 400 without it’s case? Great Raspberry Pi 400 SSD case kzread.info/dash/bejne/p6170s6kqqfYdqg.html

For the price it's a shame that there is no way to increase the storage on the device would be tempted if that wasn't missing

I want one!

cool review

I have the same screw driver kit.

It is amazing how “old” the a76 cores are - what 4 generations old vis-a-viz the current gen cores in the latest android phones? A76 is a beast. The ampere instances in oracle cloud was my first taste of it and it was amazing - more powerful than my 8th gen Intel i7 CULV (laptop) processors. And with 24GB of RAM for the free tier, it killed. Can’t wait for some Mediatek dimensity 9000 SBCs.

@scavarestrovao6196

Жыл бұрын

All big cortex as A77,A78,X1, X2 are basically based on A76 by ARM Texas team. So you just need higher freq to boost performance.

@mdanaszaimkhan5105

Жыл бұрын

@@scavarestrovao6196 but ARM had done changes with new arm v9 - So A710 is different also cortex x3

Looks like it's drops frames at 1440p and above hmm maybe next revision will be better, but yea itch the best ARM mini Motherboard in my opinion.

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

It’s software to blame for the frame drops at this early stage

Looks buyable if the price is right . Are there going to be more single board computers coming out for the rest of the year ?

@LivingLinux

Жыл бұрын

I'm expecting the Radxa Rock 5 with the RK3588 before the end of the year.

rpi idea was cheap and low power(goood enought do all low power thing). whole idea come otherway. AND yes latest is allways...

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

I still want the main Pi to be a more affordable option. It doesn’t need to be this powerful just a reasonable improvement over the Pi 4.

yo lee have you got access to a Nvidia shield tv box to compare it to the khadas vim 4 pro you're demoing

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

No, I sold mine

@williamhart4896

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo dang bro was a thought as more than a few folks might have been interested in a comparison between the two items in question

I'm wondering how many of these SBCs are being used for play games. My interest in them is business-related. Is there any way that you could find a way to add a test for business capabilities? I appreciate that there aren't any standardised tests for business functionality, but I think it would be useful to create a standard test of your own which you could then use as a comparison table for all the SBCs. Most of us know what the Pi is capable of, so having something to compare to the Pi could be useful.

@anon_y_mousse

Жыл бұрын

What kind of business are you using them for? Typing in documents, credit card processing, menu boarding, 2D and/or 3D motor controlling, something else?

@ChefEarthenware

Жыл бұрын

@@anon_y_mousse Running as low-power servers. Nginx, PHP-FPM etc. The Pi isn't up to the task, but some of the better-equipped SBCs look like they might be.

@anon_y_mousse

Жыл бұрын

@@ChefEarthenware I don't consider those necessarily business only, but it is weird that the Pi can't keep up. I run Apache on mine and it doesn't seem to be slow, but you may be serving for hundreds or thousands of users. Have you tried overclocking and/or using a different OS on the Pi?

@terrydaktyllus1320

Жыл бұрын

@@ChefEarthenware If you're finding that the Pi isn't up to the task but you're running a standard distro on it, then I would suggest looking at using a lighter and far more customisable Linux that you can "strip to the bone" just for your specific needs - Gentoo Linux would be one I would suggest that you consider here.

@ChefEarthenware

Жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 I did leave another comment, which has been removed. In that comment, I explained the problem and I also gave the URL of my search engine, which I assume is what KZread doesn't want to see in comments. I'm not entirely surprised, as my search engine is a potential competitor to Google 😄

So I see a lot of videos reviewing these SBCs but I don’t see any good videos explaining why this is better than an old laptop or pc which can be cheaper. It’s small but how much is that worth? If I want to run a server for smart hub, plex, nextcloud, vm, etc. Would this be better than a cheap old pc/laptop?

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

A lot lower power consumption than an old laptop

@toxiccan175

Жыл бұрын

It will pay for itself with the power it saves. With this much performance on an ARM board, there is little reason to use x86-64.

is it possible to run batocera on one of these? to boot from a usb drive or internal memory? thank you

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t seen any Batocera images. You should be able to install Retropie in Ubuntu.

@uali543

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo many thanks for getting back to me. I enjoy your videos

Guess they send this to all of em

I bought one, seems to be defective. Right out of the box it boots into the OOWOW beta splash screen as shown in your video, but instead of loading OOWOW, it remains stuck on the OOWOW beta screen. Hopefully other folks have better luck than I do.

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

See 14.30 in this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/hXl4ya2KqtnRk84.html You can write Oowow to sd card. I managed to stop my eMMC Oowow from working. Also try a different display if that doesn’t work

@chadparrish926

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo Thanks for the suggestion! I tried writing OOWOW to a USB stick, it boots from it, but hangs at the OOWOW splash screen as well. I tried two other displays, same symptoms.

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

@@chadparrish926 strange, it’s not an issue I have had on my 3 Khadas sbc’s. Are you sure it’s booting from the usb and not the eMMC image?

@chadparrish926

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo I bought a second board, which arrived today. That board booted to OOWOW out of the box and seemed to install android fine, so the first board is definitely DOA. I am having difficulties with the touchscreen now on the second board, which works well on a raspberry pi running android. It is a Dell P2418HT. I am starting to think that the Edge2 was not quite ready to be out of beta.

in this Khadas Edge 2 do we can install any other os in it ?

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

Ubuntu and Android at the moment.

Too bad the new SBC's are so expensive. How does this compare to a AMD 3200G system which is roughly the same price?

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

The AMD is faster but check out the performance / watt ratio gadgetversus.com/processor/amd-ryzen-3-3200g-vs-rockchip-rk3588/

Do you know the price of this SBC when its releases?

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

$ 199 early deal www.khadas.com/product-page/edge2

Is it possible to extend the storage? (not over USB preferably)

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

The docs should be up now. I didn’t have many details before today

@Khadas

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo Hi Lee, please have a look dl.khadas.com/products/edge2/specs/edge2_specs.pdf

@Khadas

Жыл бұрын

Sergey, please have a look: dl.khadas.com/products/edge2/specs/edge2_specs.pdf

Overclock the CPU within PPSSPP to get 60fps in Outrun 2006. Without doing that, it doesn't matter if you're running at native resolution or up scaled to 4K, it still drops to 30fps. The game by design is too demanding for the CPU in the PSP so that's how it runs too on real hardware. As PPSSPP has a CPU overclocking feature,you can make this go away. One day I'll see a YTer remember this lol

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

Does this definitely work that way with emulation? The Dreamcast version of Dave Mirra bmx runs too fast on a Pi 4. you can tell by how quick the timer runs. Imagine outrun at double speed! I already crash too much as it is

@TBMartin

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo Only works if there is an option within the emulator in question. It doesn't speed up the game, just speeds up the emulation of the CPU.

Ugh it was perfect until you said "EMMC". At least they added plenty of RAM so it's probably fine... I'd just hate to see such a strong chip be hamstrung. Keep up the good work!

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

It felt very fast. Emmc drives do seem to be much faster now. 👍

How much is it going to be ?

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

www.khadas.com/edge2

ROC-RK3588S-PC - Price: $ 219.00. What are we comparing to (Raspberry Pi) - 4 times more expensive ;-)

@terrydaktyllus1320

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, I've seen 8GB Raspberry Pi's asking the same kind of prices on Amazon at the moment - but $199 for such a board is still far too expensive.

@okutaviof

Жыл бұрын

You need a more appropriate comparison: RK3588S has a cpu mark of 5,998 which is the same as an AMD FX-8350.... Considering it has a motherboard, 8g ram, basic storage, an igpu and wifi -- let alone the little power consumption, I would not say it its far too expensive for $200. However, Ryzen 3 PRO 2200GE has around the same cpu mark, and around twice better igpu (for $100, the chip alone, you would still need to add mobo, ram, storage and wifi) (PS. Pro version with 16 gb ram and larger rom for 299 is far too expensive indeed)

test genshin impact next time as benchmark

Can you install ChromeOS Flex?

@darkevilpt5306

Жыл бұрын

Also why did u needed the antennas? Doesnt it has soldered wifi already?

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

No image exists yet

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

To improve WiFi

site requires 500 pieces @$159 to buy Digi-Key...listed as obsolete

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

Try the Amazon link for the Khadas store. It should be available today. Should be some deal prices for early buyers.

No m.2 or pcie. Very disappointing.

is cod mobile playable i this unit

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

Yes Khadas Edge 2. Dual monitor Ubuntu desktop test. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gneL2rOFYJOoe9Y.html

@dilanwijekoon9327

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo Thank you

You have to admit, that you're comparing apples to oranges here. You're comparing a $75 Pi with a $200+ SBC.

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

I clarified that the Pi 4 has been out the longest but it’s got incredible support. I was pointing out how powerful the Khadas is considering the size. The Pi 5 is very unlikely to match this SBC for power as it’s aimed at a lower price point. However the Pi 5 will have unrivalled community support. Still it’s great to have the power if it’s available.

@brianvandy4002

Жыл бұрын

@@leepspvideo Agreed. It's amazing what they're doing with the size, but for what its for (education) the Pi just can't be beat for the price. It is interesting to see these alternatives come out with more power.

Sale Price $ 229.90

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

www.khadas.com/product-page/edge2 Shows 199 for me early bird deal

I mean at that price point you can get a good Chromebook.

@leepspvideo

Жыл бұрын

Very different use case. 16GB Chromebook price...

@terrydaktyllus1320

Жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as a "good Chromebook". They all spy on you and hand your personal data over to Google.

@SimpleEnigma331

Жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 As you watch a tutorial installing android....

@terrydaktyllus1320

Жыл бұрын

@@SimpleEnigma331 So Google can spy on me just because I watch Android being installed? That's a new one...

@SimpleEnigma331

Жыл бұрын

@@terrydaktyllus1320 As in thats one of the use cases for this. And you can remove ChromOS from a Chromebook. Im only stating that for that price you can get more complete hardware.