Kermit Roosevelt III: The Nation That Never Was

Is today’s America really the one the Founding Fathers envisioned? That is the question constitutional scholar Kermit Roosevelt asks, tracing the majority of American political sentiments from the modern day not back as far as the Revolution, but to the Reconstruction era.
Kermit Roosevelt is a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania and the great-great grandson of President Theodore Roosevelt. He is an expert in constitutional law, national security, conflicts of law and civil liberties. His work has been published in the Virginia Law Review, the Michigan Law Review, and the Columbia Law Review and he is the author of two historical novels examining themes of equality and civil liberty.
In his latest book, The Nation That Never Was: Reconstructing America’s Story, Roosevelt argues that America in the modern day is not the ideological descendant of the era of the Founding Fathers but that of Reconstruction and Abraham Lincoln. Examining the writings, history and political thought of America’s first century, he explains that many of the country’s core political beliefs, especially equality, originated in the Reconstruction era not as a return to the Founder’s vision but as a rejection of it.
Join us as Roosevelt rethinks how American history is viewed, and how the ideas underpinning the country have shifted in the past two centuries-and along with it, what it means to be American itself.
September 8, 2022
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Kermit Roosevelt III
David Berger Professor for the Administration of Justice, University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School; Author, The Nation That Never Was: Reconstructing America’s Story
In Conversation with David Spencer
Founder, SenSpa; Member, Commonwealth Club of California Board of Governors
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  • @felixmosca1051
    @felixmosca1051 Жыл бұрын

    Despite the lateness of this comment, I send it after watching this program and then reading Prof. Roosevelt's book. In a nutshell, the book is a game changer and should form the basis of all secondary school history curricula. It's an important cited source in my own manuscript presently under construction.

  • @robbiestapleton3500
    @robbiestapleton3500 Жыл бұрын

    Roosevelt's book was the most important book I've read that suggests a way out of our current morass. For all who are commenting, read the book. It is so worth it.

  • @OKKerry
    @OKKerry Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this most interesting and informative discussion for its refreshing broad strokes regarding the System’s evolution! (Many of the comments indicate we have a long way to go to reach the American ideal.)

  • @mileshalpern9320
    @mileshalpern9320 Жыл бұрын

    Pleasant sort, enjoyed listening to him.

  • @stewartjones2173
    @stewartjones2173 Жыл бұрын

    Do not institute a minimum wage because employers aim down at it and use it to pay more and more people down to that payment. You need proportional minimum of the average income.

  • @annefischer1433
    @annefischer1433 Жыл бұрын

    The concept of property should have been explored a lot more in this discussion. It's like let's connect the dots what were the founding fathers thinking and not even examining about property. What is property and who is property? Back then women children and slaves were all property to be owned and used however they wanted to. It seemed like no one questioned any of that except the few abolitionists who didn't carry enough weight but I don't think they even talked about women's rights and their property. In fact it wasn't even until the early 1900s children couldn't even be saved from abuse and neglect as human beings it took Animal Welfare New York to challenge the use and abuse of children. And even in today's law enforcement circles the first thing that it seems any law enforcement officer looks at is property never mind how abused or hurt or wounded you might be but if somebody's property is affected that takes priority. all the stealing, larceny laws we have on the books some get more

  • @annefischer1433

    @annefischer1433

    Жыл бұрын

    Addendum the larceny laws get more serious attention than than assault laws in terms of sentencing. So many nonviolent crimes even get overdoing in terms of sentencing compared to people as an assault crimes as we have seen with all these murders of black people by police officers. It is outrageous! We have all witnessed some of the most egregious and violence physical assaults on unarmed black people or even white students in a classroom because some adult school police officer gets bent out of shape and goes into react. Reactive behaviors are one of the worst results of poor training with law enforcement not to mention their own anger issues they bring with them. It's too bad the Constitution doesn't say anything about these kinds of matters. What do we do after 9-1-1 we reward law enforcement agencies with billions of dollars in weapons military style and that has become the standard for how we're supposed to protect ourselves rather than having training and soft skills working with people how to deescalate Etc.

  • @kashmoney7421

    @kashmoney7421

    Жыл бұрын

    It would be more accurate to say black women and children were property. White women and children owned and inherited property. There is a book called the where her property that goes in depth as to the role of white women and slavery and how you had white women without white husbands who had large slave holdings.

  • @clayrogers423
    @clayrogers423 Жыл бұрын

    The end of slavery did not end bigotry. I am proud to be multiracial and may be oversensitive because I can easily blend into most groups once we get past the distrust based on my skin color but I see bigotry flowing in all directions. Most of that bigotry is subsurface, i.e., spoken/acted behind the scenes but, nowadays, it seems to always be boiling over into the streets. We can't buy ourselves out of this mess. We need to learn to truly promote compassion, community, and equality.

  • @LloydMcCoy
    @LloydMcCoy2 ай бұрын

    This Young Man, I’m A Gem

  • @Trista4Prez
    @Trista4Prez Жыл бұрын

    Commonwealth club of California invite back this Kermit's roosevelt! And your questions are wonderful thank you! So nice to see a Roosevelt back in play! 😁 As for reparations, the right wing nuts in this country have co-opted that term, so I suggest we call it something else! And do that

  • @d.thurston8524
    @d.thurston8524 Жыл бұрын

    Their discussion on reparations waa dissappointing. I have visited the Roosevelt Institute years ago. These people seem out of touch with the reason why reparations are still a valid response for the descendants enslaved. This devolved into whataboutism. What a shame. The discussion veers into a disjointed talk about past and current affairs by host and guest.

  • @davewhite9303

    @davewhite9303

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree with you Sir

  • @Trista4Prez
    @Trista4Prez Жыл бұрын

    FDR is my favorite president! I hope Kermit runs for office someday and the not too distant future? We need Progressive thinkers and intellectuals to revitalize our stagnant political system!

  • @luiseduardolopez2128
    @luiseduardolopez2128 Жыл бұрын

    This man forget to mention one of his relatives don't allow the stock markets take part of the growing economy of the forties , but this young man forget to mention that.

  • @hannahkirchner1656
    @hannahkirchner1656Ай бұрын

    "Thomas Jefferson is pretty creepy," is a comment I heard him make in another interview. Sigh. Somehow I hoped Teedee's great-great-grandson would have something better to say.

  • @kevincurrie-knight3267
    @kevincurrie-knight3267 Жыл бұрын

    At 27:52, the host asks what story we can tell about America and its values that will do away with demonization, where one side is the enemy of the other. This gets to where I disagree slightly with Roosevelt's point. Roosevelt suggests that the values of reconstruction have sort of superceded - or should supercede - the values of the American revolution and the Declaration of Independence. I suspect the better and more accurate story - that potentially really avoids demonization - is that we have inherited BOTH sets of values at different times and with different contexts. Both are good sets of values in their own sphere, but they sometimes conflict and as Americans, we have to work those conflicts out as they happen. So, when liberty conflicts with equality - can we freely associate if that amounts to discrimination? for instance - it isn't because one side is a demon where the other is an angel, but because both sides appeal to valid American traditions that just happen to conflict with each other.

  • @philgallagher1
    @philgallagher1 Жыл бұрын

    Couple of thought: Encouraging home ownership is disastrous. 1. The selling of "subprime" mortgages to people who clearly couldn't afford them and pushing them to buy their own homes led DIRECTLY to the 2008 Banking crisis that had Worldwide effects. 2. It was a major thrust of the Thatcher Government in '80s Britain which was an utter disaster. It created a huge rift between the 'haves" & the "have nots". Money flowed in torrents into the South of the country, primarily London, and left the North in abject poverty. That "North/South" divide is STILL evident today, to such an extent that Boris Johnson used it in the electioneering for the last General Election in 2019. He called it "Levelling Up". The clear ethos behind Levelling Up is that the North is still so far behind the South in economic terms that the Government has to pour money & infrastructure into the North to bring us "Level" with the South. Needless to say, given Boris lied almost as much as Trump, NO Levelling Up has actually happened. To be fair, the Pandemic hasn't helped, but even so, nothing had happened in the 18 months between the election & the Pandemic, and nothing has happened since we all left our homes and went back to work. I worry about what Liz Truss will do, as she doesn't have a great track record. Anyway, this isn't about the UK, and I recognise the differences. I just think encouraging Home Ownership is a disaster.

  • @annefischer1433

    @annefischer1433

    Жыл бұрын

    @Phil Gsllsger the real problem is not encouraging home ownership but encouraging the challenges responsible homeownership being properly educated and counsel about responsibilities including the financial obligations not only about paying the mortgage but also all the upkeep that's involved and just like with the whole Student Loan program in this country the USA it's been a disaster because students are not properly counseld at all in fact if they would really look at what has happened, students as well as potential homeowners & all buyers they are being manipulated. it's a sales gimmick game for the seller because they make the money from the interest rates and BTW in the US we shouldn't even have interest rates on federal student loans in my opinion or no more than 2%, fortunately I never had to have one I was fortunate to have a four year scholarship from the state of New York to a top university there but in this day and age it is a very deficit Laden process of lack of education and proper counseling and guidance whether it's buying home or buying an education or any other consumer product for that matter even going to the dentist and what they want to sell you because all these businesses- their real interest is making money to survive although how one defines what is needed or necessary to survive is all over the map. So in fact people need to get educated and how to get educated and know when they're being conned or used and abused which leaves them confused. And all that must be sorted out.

  • @katherenewedic8076

    @katherenewedic8076

    Жыл бұрын

    Narrow it down boys. It's simply the predatory behavior of banks. People are not stupid. Money people are aggressive and abusive. Ignorant and neglectful at best

  • @pjpredhomme7699

    @pjpredhomme7699

    Жыл бұрын

    @@katherenewedic8076 It is not ONLY banks - and to say people are not stupid - fair enough - but many if not most are not well informed in financial literacy & that is not accidental - the commercial opportunities dwindle as the public were able to make informed decisions

  • @donaldcarpenter5328
    @donaldcarpenter5328 Жыл бұрын

    "WHO AM I??????" 'WHAT AM I DOING HERE?????????" WHY does that MAN over there keep calling me SHIRLEY??????????

  • @worldpeacepatriot9448
    @worldpeacepatriot9448 Жыл бұрын

    As human beings we are all people ! As people we are all HUMAN BEINGS belonging to the same Species ( homo Sapien Sapiens ) and as such we are all genetically the same except for the fact that we are linguistically , culturally, religiously , ideologically and politically at variance with eachother and alienated , divisive and opposed to eachother mostly for ego identification , nationalistic and tribal reasons ! It is high time and long overdue that we recognize that we are ONE species occupying the same planet and desire to survive and flourish as such and recognizing our common humanity work together to dissolve our superficial differences and develop for our species and all life a united world order that can safeguard our world and our descendents survival toward an awesome future in Peace , Unity and Cooperation ! To survive THIS IS OUR ONLY PATH !

  • @averayugen7802

    @averayugen7802

    Жыл бұрын

    Makes sense. Why so hard to make this real?

  • @kashmoney7421

    @kashmoney7421

    Жыл бұрын

    @@averayugen7802 we have decided to set up competitive forms of governance versus cooperative. There is enough resources in the world to feed and house everyone. But if I am now enticed by the idea of a 7 bedroom home and big screen tvs I become willing to compromise basic decency and morals for these things. For their tonbe rich by definition there has to be poor. Racism is not about hate but economics.

  • @louatsea
    @louatsea Жыл бұрын

    Prof. Roosevelt's thesis certainly is not new. Gary Wills' 1992 Pulitzer Prize winning work "Lincoln at Gettysburg - The Words that Remade America" explored, with some depth, much the same ground more than 30 years ago. It is curious though that Prof. Roosevelt does not recognize that the Declaration and the 1787 Constitution provided the foundation, if you will, for Lincoln and his Gettysburg Address and the Civil War Amendments to build upon. After all you need for something to exist already in order to amend it. The Address and the Amendments don't create themselves from nothing.

  • @donaldcarpenter5328
    @donaldcarpenter5328 Жыл бұрын

    The hypocrites will PERVERT the MEANING of the word "labor" when discussing a woman giving birth....

  • @Trista4Prez
    @Trista4Prez Жыл бұрын

    I have many times called for reparations for all! #reparations4all The state, the government has historically carried out so much Injustice against all other groups, especially black, indigenous, all people of color POC as they're called today -except for the wealthy, white landowners and plantation owners! Thank you so much, Kermit for pointing out that our national History our national story needs to be updated, basically! The right wing nuts in this country shouldn't be afraid of some new scholarship that shows us clearly that colonizer owes reparations to pretty much all groups in America haha including women! That is an amazing point about being forced to give birth is a form of forced labor! Prohibited in the constitution! Wow! I'm going to take clips of this, on these points, and spread them around social media! I really think everybody should hear these revolutionary ideas I find them uplifting because they confirm that Progressive values are the way to go! We need these new, great ideas about how to proceed, from Mr Roosevelt's constitutional law perspective. Mr roosevelt, would you consider running for office with me :-) u can run for Prez, I don't mind! 😆 Also, a few years ago I was trying to reactivate the Progressive Party 🎉 according to my research, the founding fathers were against these factions as they called them, these political parties, political factions, now a gridlocked duopoly, with only one party believing in democracy!, and the GOP should be designated a terrorist organization in my view! What do you think about that prof. roosevelt? Also, could you please take a stand, in favor of invoking the 14th Amendment, and passing HR25 in Congress, to please hold 399 insurrectionist candidates around the country accountable? For their actions in participating in an attempted coup? And please Mr Roosevelt can you call for them all to be removed and barred from office immediately, before the midterms? Thank you! Godspeed 💕HMU 🤙

  • @candyhr4152
    @candyhr4152 Жыл бұрын

    He looks just like his aunt Alice Roosevelt Longworth.

  • @kaihuang4970
    @kaihuang4970 Жыл бұрын

    Why doesn't SCOTUS ban vasectomies?

  • @d.thurston8524

    @d.thurston8524

    Жыл бұрын

    You mean the 6 SCOTUS of 5 men and 1 female. The 3 more intelligent justices were outnumbered by tbe 2 lastest TRUMPUS appointees that Mitch pushed through.

  • @annefischer1433

    @annefischer1433

    Жыл бұрын

    Probably Clarence Thomas would. Ever wonder why they he and Ginny never had any children?

  • @pjpredhomme7699

    @pjpredhomme7699

    Жыл бұрын

    @@annefischer1433 no - why would anyone question that ? is there anything remotely attractive about either ? it seems pretty obvious to me

  • @annefischer1433

    @annefischer1433

    Жыл бұрын

    @@pjpredhomme7699 your response is not clear to me.

  • @user-naab
    @user-naab Жыл бұрын

    Sorry, are u related to Kermit Rossvelt of Egypt 🤔🤔🤔

  • @fritzteetsel9007
    @fritzteetsel9007 Жыл бұрын

    It’s too bad the host wasn’t better prepared, he makes several erroneous statements that are either wrong, or opinions that have little to do with the speakers material.

  • @lindamullins1446
    @lindamullins1446 Жыл бұрын

    Why not one vote each no electoral votes no gerrymandering and money that goes to states can be fair by % of population mathematically can be solved to be fair. And set taxes % of income pay back to social security the money the government used from their so social security could be safe and medicare could be safe. Lend money for homes repo if don't pay etc etc etc.

  • @favianrodriguez8014
    @favianrodriguez8014 Жыл бұрын

    interviewer is doing too much talking.

  • @TheDavidlloydjones

    @TheDavidlloydjones

    Жыл бұрын

    ...and what he has to say does not seem either interesting or intelligent. He is clearly inappropriate for the role.

  • @rashid9891
    @rashid9891 Жыл бұрын

    I don't support the term POC because that still doesn't help the black completely, nor specifically none of the other communities had to endure those hardships that were placed on the black specifically communities and they actually were helped and used as a buffer class to do exactly that 🤔

  • @stewartjones2173
    @stewartjones2173 Жыл бұрын

    Do not institute a minimum wage be

  • @mshipley6727
    @mshipley6727Ай бұрын

    Love the book and this author. Not really impressed with the moderator.

  • @ericsonbooker8026
    @ericsonbooker8026 Жыл бұрын

    Making money is an action. Keeping money is behavior. Growing money is knowledge.