To me it really looks clear that Forever Young would have won the race. Sierra Leone hammered him when he was starting to pull ahead of Sierra Leone. His stride was way better. Sierra Leone then hammered him repeatedly and the jockey on Forever Young had to fight like hell just to keep his horse straight. Sierra Leone was a clear DQ and the stewards dropped the ball.

@chuckphu7581

Ай бұрын

Man U hit it on the nose. This is America so we have a little consideration for the American horses. Without a doubt, FY WON THIS race with ease..I’m feeling it for Japan. They got robbed!!!!!!!! !

@LarryK-jg6iw

Ай бұрын

Stewards cannot take the win away from a horse that is not involved in a foul. At best, the finish positions of Sierra Leone and Forever Young could have been switched had a foul claim been lodged, but there is no basis to punish Mystik Dan.

@chuckphu7581

Ай бұрын

@@LarryK-jg6iw No ones is disputing who the winner is ..we r talking about SL and FY BUMPING down the stretch and nothing was done. SL should be placed third base on the number of times he came into FY.

@LarryK-jg6iw

Ай бұрын

@@chuckphu7581 I agree. The stewards probably should have done that on their own, but the Derby has an unfortunate tradition to ignore fouls that would have otherwise been enforced in lesser graded races. I think this was a case of Forever Young NOT making a foul claim, and the stewards deciding on the basis of a LACK of objection.

@Quarterback2008

Ай бұрын

@@LarryK-jg6iw I bet races in Hong Kong and Japan. The Stewards will initiate the inquiries. Obvious the Stewards at Churchill Downs dropped the ball on this race. Not good if you want to invite other Japanese runners.

Forever Young was the best horse in this race. Came up from deeper. I missed the super..... No Mystik Dan.... Congratulations to the connections....

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

He was. Sierra Leone tried to bully Forever Young , in the stretch, into giving up…..started a shoving match with Forever Young. Some race horses are like that but Forever Young shoved back and Sierra Leone could not get past him. Sierra Leone should have been disqualified and placed third.

@shahrookherani870

Ай бұрын

@@laurenurban3942disqualified and placed third mean two different things. Definitely hampered the chances of F Y

Gate Dancer in 1984 derby got displaced for lugging in, why not Sierra..the order of finish should have been changed..forever young clearly knocked sideways. In the head-on video you can see the jockeys whip go flying in the air

I think Mystic Dan's jockey won the race.

Todd is correct. Forever Young at one point was six wide, while Mystic Dan was a Mine That Bird! Forever Young get to the rail, and Sierra Leone basically mauled Forever Young for 300 hundred yards. To me Forever Young ran the best race. He ran Mystic Dan down while carrying Sierra Leone. Heart Breaker.

It was a brilliant piece of race riding on part. He (Brian) was intent on getting to the rail and staying there. He rode it to perfection. He gave him-Mystyk Dan- every chance to win. It was just magnificent.

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

Sierra Leone was trying to get over to the rail in the stretch and started a shoving match with Forever Young who was finding his stride….. and who SL was not clear of….decided to try pushing him over instead but Forever Young was not having it. Some horses can be bullied in the stretch into giving up the fight but not Forever Young. They better find a better jockey for Sierra Leone.

@bigcity2085

Ай бұрын

The 12 slammed Dan into the rail just before the stretch...and he just powered on thru. Got the exacta twice.

In the stretch, the narrator says Fierceness was lugging into Forever Young, he meant Sierra Leone. Fierceness was never a factor in this race; he ran for about the first quarter but faded badly under the pressure. It appears that many mainstream handicappers make the common mistake of focusing too much on Beyers and speed. Speed is just one factor that makes a winner. Ability to carry speed at the 11/4 distance, ability to overcome adversity, ability to pass horses, etc., all are important in winning. Before the race many would say that if Fierceness runs his best race he wins; they were saying this based on two high Beyer figures, as if Fierceness can turn on and off how he runs a race. Hopefully that line can be put aside. It is clear that Fierceness needs to have the race break his way; that is, to get to the lead and have a loose on the lead run. Also, the Florida Derby and the Holy Bull did not have the strongest runners. Give credit to Mystik Dan, who showed grit in winning at the wire; but Forever Young, on many levels, ran the best race.

@richrich7432

Ай бұрын

Couldn't have said it better. All my longtime handicapping friends, 40yrs plus, when they saw the speed figure of Softness they were all in on the miler, he can go longer if running alone. Fy was by far the best horse with a horrible break that cost him 2 lengths and the plane ride, new track prob cost him 2 more. Your 2024 Breeder Cup Classic Champ.

I thought Sierra Leone may have cost Forever Young the race by lugging into him. I guess it's like other sports where they let em play down th stretch

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

He did cost FY the win IMO. The initial shove by SL, on the outside, angered Forever Young. You can see the horse get mad and shove back. Forever Young was a pissed off horse from that first shove and through to the finish line. He was running mad. He deserves another shot. I would wait for the Belmont or the Travers. I never liked the Preakness and FY deserves a little rest after that fight.

@Quarterback2008

Ай бұрын

@@laurenurban3942 Gaffalione put his hand on Forever Young in the stretch run that along would merit a DQ

@toddhartmayer8327

Ай бұрын

Wonder why an inquiry not filed?

@Quarterback2008

Ай бұрын

@@toddhartmayer8327 Stewards are now doing an inquiry set for tomorrow. Better late than never

@tanjawachsmuth5631

Ай бұрын

​@@toddhartmayer8327Because the japanese Jockey wasn't sure what happend.And the Horses where bove bumping.They have the same Granddam and it shows.

So ironic that Tyler Gafflione was involved in the DISQUALIFICATION of Luis Saez and Maximum Security yet these were larger intimidation on his part in this race , he is responsible for controlling his charge , the Stewards have made another blunder on this Rendition.😢😂.

@DouglasJones-en4ug

Ай бұрын

...thank you, couldn't get SL to run straight...was about six wide as they turned for home and ended up in the three path at the wire. FY had the momentum heading for the wire but kept getting slammed from his right side...could have won the race.

People can't say they weren't warned about Fierceness. He's not a fighter, and seems afraid when he hears hoof beats around him! I got the Super. What a thrill !

you cannot touch another horse or jockey in a race what can people not understand about this... its like talking to walls.... you cannot under any circumstances put your hand on another horse or jockey while in a race... forget outcomes... reasons... everything... you can justify it all you want he still did an illegal action in a race and he did it right at finish line when the race was over... bullshit about trying to get safely away ahaha he could of got wrapped up in those reins and then would of had a much worse problem. He pulls his youngs reins its simple as that really.

Maximum security was disqualified for less

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

No, Maximum Security was DQ’d for almost killing War of Will. He stepped right over into Willy’s running path, without any clearance at all. Almost killed War of Will and certainly would have severely injured the jockey had Willy gone down. That was a rightful disqualification….thank goodness. It was actually the horse’s jockeys fault and not the horse. His jockey should have had a stronger hold on him going around that turn. That was carelessness…and it almost killed a human and a horse.

@DouglasJones-en4ug

Ай бұрын

War of Will was all up in Maximum Security's rear end and Sierra Leone was lugging in to the left thereby bumping the Japanese horse...both horses with Tyler G aboard...go figure🤔

@58breezing

Ай бұрын

100%

I was going with everything to Sierra Leone, I followed him from the start and was second to last in the first quarter of a mile, Tyler made his calculated race and was already two lengths behind Forever Young in the last three furlongs, but unfortunately, when entering the straight At the end he attacked FY and they both collided for about a hundred meters. Here the fault was not Tyler Gaffalione as many say in comments, but SL himself who since his debut had this tendency to charge inwards from line six or seven until going down to two. That's how horse racing is, I think Sierra Leone won without any setbacks but you have to be a good loser and congratulate the winner Mystic Dan.

@georgepimentel3072

Ай бұрын

NOW THAT I SEE THE VIDEO I SEE GAFFALIONE'S HORSE PUSHING FOREVER YOUNG TOWARDS THE RAIL BUT THE JAPANESE JOCKEY DOESN'T FIGHT HIM. AN AMERICAN JOCKEY WOULD HAVE PUSHED GAFFALIONE BACK. THAT'S WERE ANERICAN RIDING DIFFERENT STYLE IS.

If you watch the Southwest Stakes, Mystik Dan showed a devastating kick. Wet track or dry track, he duplicated that in the derby

@bigcity2085

Ай бұрын

Yup. Had 'em.

I took your advice from a couple years back. Don't marry yourself to a horse. Keep your eyes on the odds, and put horses in that might hit the board. Thank you. It paid off nicely.

Correct Serra leone is and always the winner great analogy fair well stay well be well thank you

I'm not worried about those that bet on Fierceness; what about my near heart attack when Resilience loomed coming into stretch? My friend's daughter has entertaining video of me screaming for Junior.

Thats the derby for ya, best trip won but not the best horse. What I learned this year is you can't dismiss a horse based on pedigree if it has the speed figures. Japan finished 3rd and 5th so from now on they have to be taken seriously regardless of their past form.

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

That’s the whole point of it being a Derby. Any horse has a chance in the large field. The race was not designed for a favorite to win. It was a race run for anyone to win. That’s was a derby is all about. It was copied from England’s big derby race. People were expected to bring their best 3 year old to run against other good 3 year olds. The race is never a given and it shouldn’t be. They need to leave it the way it is with the large fields.

@aman2340

Ай бұрын

america's problem doesn't lie in the races it lies in the way they are breeding derby horses... they are all short sprinters 5f-8f none of them can make a decent mile and 1/4 or mile and half.. they are all jumping up in trip as they learn on the job.. back 20 years ago horses came down in trip for the derby they could run 12f handy... thats what forever young's type is 9f to 12f.. its a breeding 2 year olds problem a short horse problem... america use to have some of the most amazing race horses that could run over 8-14f and run on dirt or turf and sand... they are a shell of itself now.

@tanjawachsmuth5631

Ай бұрын

Well ,exactly 100 years ago Black Gold won the 50th Derby .He is from the same female Line as Mystic Dan😅.

Your observation about sierra Leone's rider putting his arm out just to try and protect both horses and maintain a path is spot on. I've seen some people try to post photoshopped stuff and argue he grabbed the other horse and all of this nonsense. trying to stir up controversy. Great race. I didn't like fierceness either. Too unpredictable, and I thought his last beyer was grossly misrepresentative of his true ability. Whereas Mystik looked dangerous right from the get-go.

@cathyvannoy556

Ай бұрын

FYI had a gash on his leg sl acutely injured him

@Quarterback2008

Ай бұрын

@@cathyvannoy556 Watch the race replay the jockey had his hand on Forever Young. It is very clear

I picked Mystik Dan, he kind of reminds me of Afleet Alex with that quick burst of speed

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

Love Afleet Alex.

@DouglasJones-en4ug

Ай бұрын

...me too, little horses with big hearts

Who’s whip was bouncing down the stretch?

MD got dream trip and made awesome squeeze move on the rail. FY and SL cost each other the race by the boxing match down the stretch. Both of them should have beaten MD well before the wire.

What was with Tyler Gafflione Touch the jockey of forever Young while they were battling. I think it should have been looked at

Hindsight is 20/20…. They each ran true to their form, exactly as they have in the past… loved how well the Japanese horses ran. Mystik Dan was so logical in hindsight - he ran his race.

@TheStikapos

Ай бұрын

Fierceness was predictable. I thought many others did NOT run their race. Dan saved every piece of ground, which helped his cause. The SW stakes was aided by a golden rail and was in many ways, a lone standout performance. I can’t fault anyone who supported other entries.

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

He’s a Miler type….and wasn’t ready for this test. Hope he’s okay. He just folded like a napkin. Had to be the distance.

@barbaralovenvirth8726

Ай бұрын

@@TheStikapos ql

@HoofHearted6

Ай бұрын

Cashed a 2 3 6 exacta box. Very happy.

My 2 3 6 exacta ticket cashed! Yo yo yo!!

1. Sierra Leone slams into Forever Young almost toppling Ryusei Sakai 1:50/1:51 2. Tyler Gaffalione straight arm hits Ryusei 1:53 3. Tyler Gaffalione whips Forever Young at least four times 1:58/2:01 Forever Young would have had the race if not for Tyler Gaffalione. Nothing against Mystik Dan or his rider Brian Hernandez, Jr. whom I believe was clueless as to what was happening next to him. Tyler Gaffalione clearly interfered with Forever Youngs race and should be investigated - fined and/or perhaps banned from racing.

Forever young was best horse......

@ernesthercher5193

25 күн бұрын

I’m confused did he win?

The TOP 5 finishers.... 2-3-11-4-10 ??.... (inside track post advantage?)

The jockey was great.

Had Mystik Dan winning in a couple of my superfecta 's and no box's ! I had It 3/2/7/4 And #11 Forever Young ' Came in 3 thrd And honestly had one ticket with the #11 coming in forth if #4 Catching Freedom ' Wasn't behind #7 Honor Marie ' And surely thought #7 was going to be there somewhere 3/2/7/11 And no tickets 3/2/11/4 That guys was enough to make anyone sick after paying out 8,200 in some change and having that one 2 times ! And I have key many of other tickets in different ways and that

@skyeagle3123

Ай бұрын

Hit the comment button to soon so I apologize and with that said ' I think we all have a Idea who is going to win the Preakness ! Out For Revenge Good Old Bob Baffert And You Know He Always Puts Up Look Out... Good Luck Guys

Wish I had have boxed, not wheeled.

I bet mystic Dan to win. No hindsight error for me

@richrich7432

Ай бұрын

I heard your a great handicapper from a friend of mine. He said your the greatest handicapper just ask him.

There was disappointment in this race, S.L.'s #2 jockey made a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT in this race. He should have been DQ'ed.

I hit the Tri

They blabbered on about Fierceness ALL week,, meanwhile Brian Hernadez wins the Southwest,,in the slop wins the Oaks in the slop who didnt think he had a shot up the rail ??? Hernandez could have had a beer running along the rail,,, NOBODY even mentioned Mistyk Dan,, my name is Dan and i won 800 !!!!!!!!

The 2 horse ran the best race and will win the Preakness and the Belmont.

@barbaralovenvirth8726

Ай бұрын

Nah. Muth will be in the Preakness and will win.

@jamestfx2965

Ай бұрын

The 2 was the only horse still running after the wire. Mystic dan was walking on stilts.

Right at the wire! Had ta like Dan in the mud.

@jamesedwards4830

Ай бұрын

Its wasnt muddy or wet!Track was listed as fast

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Yeah SL's jockey should be suspended for reaching out to interfere with FY's jockey. Had SL won, he would have been DQed. As it was, not only did all three top finishers run well, it was very exciting to watch! And anyone who got the Trifecta made a lot of money!

I had Sierra Leone myself. I thought that Fierceness was afraid of traffic or getting touched. Turns out he was in traffic and faltered. Sierra Leone also checked coming around far turn as he ran up and a hole closed up. Congrats to Mystic Dan great race and no excuses, I enjoyed it and won on the undercard so I am good.

Hello,MD won and much props to him but no ones won this derby as far as bettors. He had zero chance of winning had it not been for the bumping between SL and FY. I say like it is..SL should have been disqualified due to the number of times he lugged in and intentionally bumped FY. This is totally discriminatory and bias because FY is an international horse. He almost knocked FY. Rider off his seat down the stretch and nothing was done about it. FY won this race for fun had it not been for the incident!!! Fi is off the broad from the jump cuz he is facing real legitimate front runners and adversity is not exactly his game.lol. Enjoy ur show much Thanks.

I think Sierra Leone would have won it if he didn’t keep bumping into Forever Young. I think that impeded on his momentum but even that being said In my personal opinion without trying to take anything away from Mystik Dan I believe Sierra Leone was the best horse out there. He didn’t have a dream trip, he had to cover more ground and he still got up there and one lost by a nostril.

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

Nope, SL desperately needed to get over to the rail to do his best running……note: the shoving match with FY in the stretch. If he had left FY alone….he still gets third. That first shove into FY started the problem.

Where are all The fierceness fans lol .. yeah speed figures aren't the tell all of every race especially a 20 horse field

I heard they renamed "Fierceness" to "Meekness".

@richrich7432

Ай бұрын

Love it! I named him Softness on an earlier post.

Fierceness next race Claiming race

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

Nope! He will be rushed to the breeding shed to pass on those fine qualities.

Sierra Leone jockey panic should have stay on inside of forever young just before they turn in stretch and he would’ve the race.but that’s horse racing love or hate it

Speed figures are a toss in the derby. Anyone who placed a win bet on Fierceness or keyed him learned. His figures TOWERED over this field. 22 lengths off MD?

@laurenurban3942

Ай бұрын

And the horse folded like a napkin. He’s a Miler at best.

@HoofHearted6

Ай бұрын

Speed figures are why I cashed an exacta ticket. Top 3 Beyers...Fierceness...Mystik Dan.... Sierra Leone

@richrich7432

Ай бұрын

I bet You bet the least on Mystic Dan and the most on fierceness since he was by far the fastest. I'm sure At 9 dollars and change for fierceness at 3pm sat I'm sure your speed figure bias bet got flushed with all your win money put down on the FASTEST speed figure in the race.

@richrich7432

Ай бұрын

Ps, I keyed the best horse in the race FY. No speed figure was provided on the shipper. Straight up eyewash and record. The tri paid well my man.

Just Steel was an easy TOSS. received a lot of hype leading up to the race. Should have been 50-1

@user-hz7qw5hy7h

Ай бұрын

Then I assume you tossed MD as well as JS beat him 2 out of the last 3 races and the one beat of JS was on a wet track.

Forever young would have won

jockeys fault sierra l lost the race....he lost time rubbing up against another horse...if he would have went wider and made his move sooner he would have won easily

He got money for beating up on fy thats why japan left so fast

You keep harping about Sierra Leone, for godsake it was FY who bore the brunt of it 🤷🏻‍♂️. Any more and SL would have been riding piggyback on FY.

@rightatthewire

Ай бұрын

We know this: we are pointing out SL's erratic trip to demonstrate how BOTH horses were compromised. I really don't get where you're coming from. Sorry. Thanks for the input.

Weird analysis. The best horse won. Period

@rightatthewire

Ай бұрын

Domt think so, Randy

Mystik Dan wins the race and Resillance was the best horse. That statement doesn’t make sense

@DouglasJones-en4ug

Ай бұрын

...😂 pure nonsense. Forever Young was.

@toddhartmayer8327

Ай бұрын

@@DouglasJones-en4ug Agree! I was repeating what the KZread/handicapper said. His statement regarding Resilience didn’t make sense at all

Don't blame Sierra Leon for the win loss it was the negative actions of the jockey on catching Freedom HE purpose ly road his horse that closely in an ef😢fort to slowdown Sierra who is byfar the best horse in the race

@jamesedwards4830

Ай бұрын

WTF ru talking about?You watched the race and came up with that? Sierre Leone came up into him repeatedly!They showed it a million times!Leone has done that in every race!Its comes over to the left in the stretch!Are u blind? Lol

@Quarterback2008

Ай бұрын

Obviously you have never seen racing action. He has a paddling action, it reminds me more of Standard Bred running action than a Thoroughbred. SL has shown a tendency to drift in the stretch. I don't believe he can run straight.

what rubbish commentary - of course he put his hand out and impeded the JPN horse !

Don't blame Sierra Leon for the win loss it was the negative actions of the jockey on catching Freedom HE purpose ly road his horse that closely in an ef😢fort to slowdown Sierra who is byfar the best horse in the race

@jamesedwards4830

Ай бұрын

Are u an idiot?