This would be a pretty interesting video, expect for the fact that it was filmed with the worlds finest wooden block.

@miguelduque3438

10 жыл бұрын

more like a flip-flop

@SikMisfits

10 жыл бұрын

No I actually didn't expect that...good call.

@leewood8097

5 жыл бұрын

Oak, spruce, dark oak, or birtch? 😂

@Kato_Z

4 жыл бұрын

except *

@PARASITIC-APATHY

3 жыл бұрын

Its from 2009 what do you expect

What was the brand of potato that you filmed this on?

@koookkk

9 жыл бұрын

By the looks of it, it seems to be an Bintje. best regards sweden

@JohnnyBong69

9 жыл бұрын

8 year old nokia

@Shoppingcartapuses

9 жыл бұрын

it was 2009 man

@JohnnyBong69

9 жыл бұрын

Colin C and its now 2015 and i use a sony ericsson what are over 10 years old because the battery hold longer than 6 days , when i would i can buy a iPhone 6 with no Problems i have the Money but i dont like the new mobile phones an iam 22 years old an i know the mobilephonehype

@athmaid

9 жыл бұрын

Latin Lover​​ iPhones are crap. Just buy a phone made by a chinese brand. Oppo for example. They are cheap (in comparison to Apple) but they are very powerfull and built well.

If I had a dollar for every pixel in the video I would have 0.75 cents

@sonicfx5431

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

Read through a lot of the comments, and it seems that nobody really understand what kendo is. Many people here think that a hit to most body parts is guaranteed a point (kill), which isn't entirely wrong, but that depends on which perspective you're looking at. From a fencing perspective, any hit to certain areas of the body depending on the style of fencing is a point (kill), but in kendo, there are only 4 vital targets you can hit: head, wrist, body, and throat. And form is very important in kendo, that's why you would see the kendo practitioner stomping and going towards his opponent after striking the head (even if he missed), which are essential in kendo for a point, but it left himself open for the fencing practitioner to hit him anywhere. In kendo those fencing slices wouldn't count, unless they were flat hits on the top of the head. Both of these guys are good fighters. And as a kendo practitioner myself, the kendoka in the video has excellent form. Both fencers here are winners in their own fields. From a kendo perspective, the fencer barely landed any vital hits. From a fencing perspective, the kendoka landed a few, and the fencer landed 10 times more. They were sparring with their own rules. You can't really judge who won when they were both playing two different sports.

@VongdaraKi4

8 жыл бұрын

+Mark Le You're right. It is dumb to put two sports with different rules against each other. Kind of like putting Rugby and American Football together. It's obvious that they were following their own rules. If this was truly a versus match by your definition, then the kendo player would go for more than just the 4 vital points, and hit the legs or thrust the torso. But it's more of a sparring match. The word versus is contextual. It doesn't mean all rules don't apply. There are rules, but there are two contexts in this match. The kendo and the fencing contexts. However, you're probably just thinking of one context, and that's to just touch the other person with their sword (basically a fencing context). What does beat mean to you anyway? Surely, there is a rule :P

@VongdaraKi4

8 жыл бұрын

Mark Le Looks like no one won in this match then, lol.

@borisdorofeev5602

8 жыл бұрын

+Vongdarakia Thanks for the explanation, you made the most sense of any person in the comments. So basically this is not a practical way to determine which style is better, just a bit of fun for the athletes.

@ericchinault1164

8 жыл бұрын

+Mark Le Eh, depends on the fencing weapon. Fencing sabers and foils are very light- they are easy to knock aside, but conversely this also means they are very quick to maneuver and don't tire the wielder out. Epees are much stiffer and heavier, and have a pretty substantial bell guard.

@1WanHan

8 жыл бұрын

By the way, in fencing, if he is using a foil, it only counts if you hit in the the torso (no arms legs or head). So in some sense he has limited targets just as with the 4 vital points in kendo. But I agree, since the fighting styles are vastly different you can't really equally match them off.

It would be safer if they switch helmets

@tylerandjosh7732

8 жыл бұрын

Truuuuuuuu bro

@TheCruithneach

8 жыл бұрын

+Charles Cheung That's an accurate point not many people will understand.

@Gungrave123

8 жыл бұрын

+Charles Cheung Indeed, the fencing mask is not build to deal with shinai blows, and the gaps in kendo mask are too large and the epee (or whatever it is, cant really say with this video quality) could go through them easily and hurt his eyes..

@jorgeruiz1264

8 жыл бұрын

+Gungrave123 The kendo dude had a fencer mask, right? at least from my perspective it looks like it

@reverendfry6088

8 жыл бұрын

+Jorge Ruiz Yes he does.

At first I was wondering what was up with the quality but then I realized it’s 18 days away from being a decade old

@nuqEiD

2 жыл бұрын

lol

@onyxfinger7431

2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I'm fine with the quality, my big issue is the framerate. In both kendo and fencing, you can miss actions - literally - blinking.

I see an average honorable duel in Dark souls.

@BasedRamen

3 жыл бұрын

DEX vs DEX

Looks like Kendo has the stronger strikes and the guy practicing it is much more ready to take the offensive stance. However the guy doing fencing has pretty good counters with parrying moves that also bring the blade into contact with the opponent and being lighter on his feet. With the example of these two swordsmen, it'd be hard to tell who would come out ahead.

@Thrythlind

9 жыл бұрын

depends on how well the individual practitioner knows the limits and strengths of his style/weapon as well as makes best use of terrain....way too many variables...generally speaking, there's no "best" style

You can almost see the history of this Portuguese vs Japaneese

katana ( japanese samurai sword) which held by two hands, movements are powerful (slashing and cutting and some thrusting), yet relatively, movements are relative big, which might expose oneself large body area opened up for being attack, swing/ slashing/ cutting movements of the katana also relatively taken up more time and telegraphed the intentions. Fencing using thrusting and poking movements with foil, sabre( slashng , cutting as well), motions are fast, agile and small ( straight line is the shortest distance). One hand controls(i.e. wrist movements)foil, is faster,more agile than two hands controls the katana , but two hands motions are powerful and strong for diagonal cuttings. Therefore,a fencing practitioner uses straight back and forth movements for fast attacks( straight line), to counter,a kenjutsu( recommend kenjutsu more than kendo)should use side steps and circling foot works ( non- linear line, circling) to deflect and evade the initial fencing forward frontal attack, and following with side steps and circling foot works and body movements to get aside to the side of the opponent, then finish with a lethal slashing or cutting or thrusting. Both the western fencing and the japanese Kenjutsu style martial arts have advantages and disadvantages, the practitioner' s skills, techniques, tactics, experience, mental and spiritual ability determine the final outcome. Chinese martial arts (weapons) have both the styles ( single hand held sword(two sided sharp and pointed tip) and broadsword( one side sharp) ) with circular body movements and foot works, Chinese martial weapons also have two handed held long sword style( the sword is called "miao dao/ 苗刀", slightly curved, overall longer than the katana) with back and forth as well as circular body movements and footworks.

@superdesu2799

9 жыл бұрын

+steve tak kin kwan this video is interesting because the kendo guy is purely trying to fence but even so he's still using strong habits from kendo, he raises his sword easily, his legs are closer together than the fencer & he's always the first to advance towards.

@stevetakkinkwan8910

9 жыл бұрын

+leaf nichols kenjustsu is preferrable than kendo. kenjustsu has sidesteps practice and kendo is a sport which only lounge forth and back. imagine a real fight in old times in Japan. two samurai fight for dead and honour, one only lounge forth and back with all might like a charge bull, the other skillfully and gracefully sidesteps and turn and keep facing the enemy, guess what the outcome would be?

@stevetakkinkwan8910

9 жыл бұрын

+leaf nichols the one who attack first get the advantage of being initiative, but also expose himself with opening. There is something called "response second but arrive first. " when the enemy doesn't move, I don't move, when the enemy just start to move, I reach him first.

@stevetakkinkwan8910

8 жыл бұрын

Mark Le you missed the point, the point is "foot works".

@stevetakkinkwan8910

8 жыл бұрын

Mark Le you missed the point, the point is "foot works".

2 suicidal forms of sports fencing clash, who will be the least dead with live blades? Find out next on "shit that never happened".

@alanwake287

9 жыл бұрын

Best comment on one of these "Kendo vs Fencing", videos, ever. Utterly priceless. Kudos

@tfilipealmeida

9 жыл бұрын

You know portuguese and spanish soldiers did duel with japanese samurai? they used similar swords to rapiers and the vast majority of the encounters using the sword and dagger tecnique against the two-handed katana. In the portuguese chronicles the japanase swordmanship and swrods are described together with the clothes and customs because they didn't give much importance to it. For them the japanese were just another eastern swordsman that lost against western practices. The aura of the samurai is a XIX onwards thing. And portuguese and spanish blades were better made, you check the historical data. In fact some japanese lords ahd their katanas made in Toledo, Spain...

@tsoliot5913

9 жыл бұрын

tfilipealmeida I'd love to read those chronicles. Any links?

@bambooswordsman1

9 жыл бұрын

TSO Liot There are no links because he's just making things up. When the Japanese first purchased firearms from two Portuguese gentlemen, the Japanese were producing higher quality swords and steel than the Spanish. Read any book or watch any documentry on Japanese history for proof. He's just trying to make himself feel better because he knows the Spanish haven't be a 1st or even 2nd rate power since the late middle ages. (Though, to be fair, that isn't a reflection of the fighting spirit of the Spanish people, i.e. the origin of the term guerrilla warfare.)

@tfilipealmeida

9 жыл бұрын

bambooswordsman1 First, I'm portuguese and guerilla, although coming from spanish, the spanish one comes portuguese guerilha which started first than the spanish guerilla because we were invaded first and started guerilha against the french. After 3 failed invasions by the french imperial army we together with the british took back spain and then france. Too bad modern history downgrades non northern countries but whatever... Until the 19th century england and france were 2nd rate empires but victors write history? Read about the balck legend where anti iberian history is debunked like the invincible armada: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend Second, in the Indian Ocean and Far East the portugues and also the spanish to some extent usually had victories agaisn armies 10 or more times bigger, where gunpowder and normal weapons were the norm, due to tfighting tecnique and not the quality of the arms. (Turks had better cannons and muskets, Indians had better steel blades (yes, better than japanese) ) Relating the links, I didn't know where to find them, but onesec8 has put them in the answers, odd that you didn't try to read them. The originals are in Torre do Tombo, the national archive in Lisbon, you are free to come here, to the capital of the first, last and long-lived overseas empire where the guys who defeated japanese sailed once in teh past. I don't udnerstand why people think katanas are the ultimate thing ever. They are terrible at stabing compared to other swords but very nice at cutting. If you go and check when in Europe dueling starting to be a fashion swrods evolved to meet the challenge, they became longer while light because it was the best way to win on a 1vs1. If you put a kendo guy agains a fencing one he will lose because the tecnhique he uses is made to go against people with armor and with a sword used primarily for cutting and not stabiing, requiring him to be closer to do damage. In any case, the quality of the smithing in japan was really great, however, costs were too high to manufacture those high quality blades which even though great, a european was good enough while much much cheaper to produce and still able to defeat it. Also, those high wuality were only for nobles and high born, a normal soldier or poorer samurai would have very low quality blade, much worse than a normal wuropean blade. PS: The teqnique the portuguese used in that time, which carried to spain as well, was to use a sword (almost rapier, so very long and thin with the index finger over the blade for the sword to be at 150º used to both cut and stabing) and dagger, which is almost undefeated combination.

was there even a clear winner? both of these guys seemed to be very well trained and lightning fast. i wasnt able to tell how many strikes either man delivered to his opponent . great fun to watch tho

@keithrollman1763

9 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the fencer got his arm cut off three times

@llieske

9 жыл бұрын

Keith Rollman was that before or after he pierced the other guys liver?

@stevebledsoe71

9 жыл бұрын

Haha! like i said.I think its a close enough fight that it just comes down to personal opinion.

@kecs2

9 жыл бұрын

goltoof so if anything they both killed each other lol

@tianxingcao9552

9 жыл бұрын

don't wanna sound rude but the fencer guy is pretty bad. Check out some real fencing bouts and you'll see what is "lightening fast"

I remember when I told someone I wanted to learn fencing they replied "you know it's impractical you aren't gonna have you weapon all the time." That maybe so, but you have to admire how swordsmen are so quick on their feet.

Every Martial art carries it's strengths and weaknesses, I think it's Fantastic to fight an opponent who uses different weapons and techniques, certainly not an opportunity that should be wasted. These two Martial Artists likely were of the same mindset and nobody should scrutinise their proffesions in any way.

So amazing! So fun : D. Thank you for the upload, I love watching friends and others duel.

I really like when people sport good swordsplay, its very entertaining.

I notice a bit of the all-too-common "my daddy'll beat up your daddy" brand of argumentation here. It is a priori impossible to predict who would win in such a battle because combat is, by its very nature, non-linear. I don't care if we are speaking of all-out warfare or two sixth-graders punching each other in their noses. Once fighting commences, anything can happen. Put two people face-to-face in mortal combat and almost anything can happen.

@synx5196

8 жыл бұрын

finally someone who doesn't just see in black and white

@zenmeister451

8 жыл бұрын

+Andrew Vida I once read an article that expressed the viewpoint that in a prolonged confrontation between a French-styled fencer and a Japanese-styled fencer the French style would (assuming of course the obvious possibilities) win. However, considering the potential of the Japanese style - depending so much on the ferocity of initial attack - the French fencer would lose. I have virtually no experience with French fencing and only a small amount with Japanese-styled fencing. Therefore, I have no solid opinion...just reiterating what the article said.

@andrewvida3829

8 жыл бұрын

zenmeister451 Meh, as I wrote above, there is no way to say for certain. One can predict statistically, but that is still just a guess which, when you get it right it proves nothing about your prowess to predict. Same when you get it wrong. Shit happens, and trebly so when two or more people are facing off in serious conflict where lives are at stake. I like the Japanese approach to martial art, which is why I have 44 years of jujutsu behind me. As much as I respect the art, I hold no illusions about it, or any other approach to combat, being the "ultimate art". At the end of the day things always boil down to two men facing one another. Each may be divinely trained and yet one or both will still lose because that is the nature of the game. One man may grossly outmatch his opponent, yet he takes a misstep and the "lesser" man is able to take advantage and kill his superior opponent. Consider modern warfare where no amount of training protects you from stray shrapnel that finds your carotid artery and you bleed out in 45 seconds. Martial arts, what I call The Art, is a great thing, but the thing for which it ostensibly trains you, war, is shit. In fact, where martial arts training is most successful, what it will have trained one in is to have no desire for war, but only peace because destroying another man is a terrible thing. Life is precious.

@RichardRiddick78

8 жыл бұрын

+zenmeister451 Not sure why you assume that the french are the best at fencing. The italians were much better historically and still are today. Be that as it is, this video proves nothing as far as fencing vs samurai sword is concerned. Using a bamboo sword is not an accurate picture. Its a huge advantage for a samurai to have a bamboo sword and only have to touch the opponent. a samurai sword is much heavier and much slower. The movement is also very different because the recovery is a lot different. It is unfair to say either style is better based on this video. I like both styles. I would prefer a lighter sword, like a rapier in a duel, and a samurai sword against an armored opponent. both swords are good and both styles are good. The skill of the user is more important than the style or type of sword. My only beef is -- please dont call it french fencing because the french were not the inventors (the spanish invented fencing) nor were the french the best. They are not the best today either.

@zenmeister451

8 жыл бұрын

RR, I don't believe I ever said the French were the best. I was simply using the French to make a point. Also, whether the French were the best or not, they were still French fencers, eh? The differences between fencing (ala French or Spanish style) and Japanese fencing are quite profound. Since, for some reason, I cannot review what my post actually said, I wrote it as something of an aside. I never said that I believed that one was better or more effective than the other. I was merely restating what other 'pundits' have suggested. Thanks for your post.

Part of the problem here is both practitioners are following rule or sport styles of fighting rather than tradition. This is particularly evident in the kendo fighter leaving them self open after attacking and stomping hard on the floor with each attack.If Ridolfo Cappo Ferro and Miyamoto Musashi where to spar, it would look a lot different (and not only because they would be insanely more skilled than these two, being legends and all)

@ESFDragxnFistEntertainment

8 жыл бұрын

I see that a lot in MMA nowadays you are definitely write back then people were exposed to more real life fights to the death compared to now where we don't have to take a fight seriously because most of our fights are in the dojo or for pro sport

@bighands69

8 жыл бұрын

Most of them MMA fighters would easily move over to no rules fighting. Now how successful most of them would be is a different matter and I would say most of them would chicken out if they knew what they were getting into.

@jh0330u

8 жыл бұрын

I did kendo in the past. The reason for stomping hard and leaving themselves "open" is because those are kill shots. Stomping is for power and leaving your arms up and running/following through is to protect your vital spots with your arms and blow through.

@7dayspking

7 жыл бұрын

+Jh um stomping doesn't generate power, that's not how momentum works, pushing off the ground generates momentum...slamming your foot against the ground does not. It's probably more of a distraction. In real life you can't land kill shots if you don't have any hands.

@jh0330u

7 жыл бұрын

7dayspking the "stomping" occurs when your lead foot hits the ground. When you shift your weight in for momentum (mass *velocity = kg*m/s) you use your lead foot for balance and to shift the weight again. I guess it can be used as distractions but it is not mainly for distraction... It has similarities as other sports such as boxing (jab + lead foot), judo (stepping in for position + power), etc. It IS for momentum/shifting weight and footwork (and body position). Think of it like this. You cannot leave your lead foot stretched in (ex. boxing) during a sword fight but once you quickly step inside, shifting your weight forward (momentum kg*m/s), how would you quickly stop the momentum of your entire body? Also, (if you are saying that protecting vital spots with arms is wrong) there are much less vital spots on your arms than on your face. It would be a hard fight but you can fight with an injured arm. Alternatively, it would be very hard to fight with an injured face/eyes/neck (or dead).

I really like how both of the fighting styles interacted. The fencer was more dfensive yet the most persistent. And the Kendo fighter was really unphased, and took on super aggressive stances when it suited him. Very interesting duel to see!

I rejoice to have lived so long to finally see some answers to questions I've asked since I was first introduced to kendo in 1954.

GREAT QUALITY! loved how the lady in black kept making earthquakes while the man in white kept flying out of Japan

@anisoueslati11

8 жыл бұрын

did you just assume her/his/it's gender !!!!!

@firstnamelastname489

7 жыл бұрын

Triggered!

@holdshiftt2run308

7 жыл бұрын

+anis oueslati I am quadrupled non-binary rectangular hexagon gender.

The reason I stopped fencing is because I got told off for side-stepping and attacking knees and thighs, even though it actually worked. It's a great sport, but it _is_ a sport. I would love to try a style of fencing that did not have sporting rules but instead demonstrated best technique. I understand not thrusting to the face of course, but any other attack should be fair game.

@PeterHyder

10 жыл бұрын

look into joining your local historical military sabre school, HEMA etc.

@tSp289

10 жыл бұрын

Peter Hyder I moved to Australia. Unfortunately even archery is seen as being the preserve of massive nerds and social retards here, so it's pretty hard to find a club.

@Edward-kh5ub

10 жыл бұрын

use an eppe

@jerome96114

10 жыл бұрын

So go for HEMA if you want something european, or for Kenjutsu or Iaido, or chinese sword sparring if you want something oriental. Both epee fencing and kendo are castrated sports that are nowhere near to a real fight.

@tSp289

10 жыл бұрын

***** Yup, nothing going on in this city. When I eventually move back to civilisation, I'll be looking for longsword classes. I'd really like sword and shield classes too, but that's harder to find again.

This is an awesome video. Both members in my eyes seem extremely skilled. I really enjoyed watching this.

People need to understand that the scoring is very different for each system. Both participants were able to score on each other w/in their own systems but it would take a bit of discussion beforehand between the participants to come up w/a mutually agreeable system for scoring that didn't favor one system over another, then a few bouts to work out any bugs in the rules that may have arose after real life testing. In regards to camera quality, it should be a nonissue , the bout can be seen & slowed down & analysed if needed. I'm just glad that the question of can a practicioner of either style compete & expect to win has been answered. My thanks to all who worked on this & put up the video

Although there is not clear enough footage to see how many blow were landed. I saw Fencing as the dominant style in this match. Both were very close in terms of speed, but I felt the Kendo exponent was too rigid and his major blows were too often block by the Fencers more relaxed lightweight style. But well played by both. Well done.

@YunoUwU

7 жыл бұрын

gutz1981 it s because fencing allows alot more hits that count. Kendo only allows 4 vital spots

@mashy461

6 жыл бұрын

Nathan Tritchka That’s not the point. In a really battle you can stab someone and leave them still able to fight. The 4 vitals can lead to an instant and clean kill. Just because it sounds like they’re just “rules” doesn’t mean there is no reasoning behind it

@user-jn2fb2wl3d

6 жыл бұрын

man if this was a real fight the fencer would be split half

@thecomradered

6 жыл бұрын

You can't get an instant and quick kill from those four targets. Even striking someone on the bare head wont kill immediately because of the thickness of the skull.

@maebe7668

6 жыл бұрын

mashy461 yea but if you slash someone's hamstring and they fall to one knee that's ultimately gonna lead to a kill. Just focusing on killing strokes is like a boxer only focusing on one punch knockouts.

rapier was used to avoid armor and pierce from distance unarmored parts katana was used for cutting power and to be used with fully body armor

@gunningpreacher180

10 жыл бұрын

You are fundamentally correct but he is using a foil, not a rapier. The rapier developed under some different circumstances than the foil. As range weapons like the bow/arrow, crossbow, musket, cannon, etc were developing the arming sword slowly evolved into the rapier as armor itself became obsolete. It was the "gentlemen's weapon". I am a rapier fighter and we use several different techniques and moves than the french fencing styles do with the epee or foil which came at the end of the hundreds years war in France. The rapier is from the Italian penn.

@Edward-kh5ub

10 жыл бұрын

Q Mono It looked like a sabre

@ChaoticNarrative

10 жыл бұрын

Q Mono If you look closely, he's actually using a Sabre.

@ChaoticNarrative

10 жыл бұрын

True, hence the historical technique of Half/Cap Swording, you hold the sword with a hand in the middle of the blade and force it through with all your weight at the first opportunity.

This is seriously too cool. I like both fighting styles.

I'm so glad you guys made this video, it's surly going to help me with my kh fan fiction. Now if only your video was as scifi as the story.

Fencing and Kendo are two different sports, but nice vid anyway :D

So the fencer won?

like my teacher said to me, "it really just depends on who is having a better day" awesome video fun to watch and learn, thank you for the enlightening and respectful discussion Railriderchris

I think you summarized it quite precisely! X-D

Now I understand, Darth Vader practised fencing while Luke, Kendo, goood. Probably these are both practising ;)

How I see it, is that Fencing is a better defensive art & Kendo is a better offensive art. But no art is necessarily better than the other & we could all learn from these martial arts, by applying Bruce Lee's philosophy to them both and absorbing what is useful & discarding what is not. Taking the best out of both worlds, if you will.

This is great and shows that no matter what art you choose, you can always be on the same level as one who people consider uses a superior art. Only thing is that I can’t see anything

Good spar. Inspired me to improve on my fencing. 😊

Nice duel. Too bad it was recorded with a potato.

By the gods I think I'm becoming a fencing snob lol

Here we have a rare deleted scene from Revenge of the Sith when Obiwan and Anakin fought each other on Mustafar, look at that passion.

Good to see super 8mm is making a comeback for filming events.

Why not both?

@jello788

9 жыл бұрын

>> >....... *starts the why not both music*

When u play for honor

Both are beautiful forms. Both forms have elegance, deadly accuracy, and blinding speed.

@holdshiftt2run308

8 жыл бұрын

***** If that was true, Kendo would have not been used in battle during the time of the samurai. The Kendo and fencing you are seeing in this video is meant for sport. Fencing and Kendo were used in real life situations as well.

@holdshiftt2run308

8 жыл бұрын

***** I see you point. That is true, the art of sword fighting has changed into more of a sport.

@holdshiftt2run308

8 жыл бұрын

***** That is true. if some one just rushes into a real sword fight it would be pretty dangerous. I knew this one fencing instructor that we had. He used to teach us the port of fencing, and how to defend ourselves with and against different types of blades. He used to take from different martial arts as well. I agree, there is a big difference because in the ring with all that padding on you don't feel like you are in a life or death situation.

You must have a great teacher! :-D My thanks to you, it is always a pleasure to talk to an opneminded honorable person like you! Have a nice day Mister Donkykick ;-)

@Maximillian Fox nokia e51

Foil against katana hardly seems fair. A rapier would be more appropriate.

@StudSupreme

9 жыл бұрын

doc dic That too. :-) In other words, a weapon that is more solid.

@benzhuynh5784

9 жыл бұрын

Just wondering. How easily would a katana break a foil?

@nsquidc

9 жыл бұрын

StudSupreme He *is* using a saber. His weapon has a hand guard, he is taking a saber stance, and is using saber parries.

@Mephilis78

9 жыл бұрын

nsquidc in that case he really is pretty slow. Its almost as if he thinks its an epee

If anything, kendo was defused in this bout mainly due to the fact that the Foil Duelist wasnt falling for the feints delivered by the Kendo Practitioner.

Heh always enjoying seeing fencing and kendo but this I've never seen before awesome

Another thing. People saying that the fecning weapon are flimsy, that is because modern fencing are based on civilian weapons for duel and self defence, or light military sabers of the 19th century. European battlefield swords of the 15th to 17th century were broadswords with 35 inch blades, much longer than 28 inch katana, but about the same weight, Rapiers were usually 40 inchs or longer, and could be heavier than broadswords, but were civilian weapons, designed for unarmoured duels and selfdefense, not warfare. Of course they would have huge advantage on duels.

@danielzandora6521

10 жыл бұрын

***** In portuguese the name is Espada Larga (lit. broadsword), and as you can see on this picture ""pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duarte_Pacheco_Pereira#mediaviewer/Ficheiro:Duarte_Pacheco_Pereira.jpg " on the hands of Captain Duarte Pacheco, it was a basket hilt sword that portuguese already used in the late 15th and 16th century. It is well documented that it could cleave someone in half during battles.

@danielzandora6521

10 жыл бұрын

***** Perhaps... It certainly don´t look like a scotish broadsword, and that picture and the blade is a little thin, but it was called Espada Larga, and since I´m a portuguese speaker I can say the difference between wide(largo) and long(longo). However that specific sword on the hand of the Great Pacheco don´t matter, and the drawing isn´t perfect also. What matters is that on the battle of Cambalao Pass(1504), it´s registered that at one account the son of Duarte Pacheco, named Lisuarte, described as a very strong soldier using a large basket hilted sword (if you prefer this description), was swollen by the ranks of the indian army and considered dead by the portuguese that retreated, but when they returned for the corpse they found him alive over a pile of corpses and severed limbs, and one of them (sic) "was cleaved in half", that is something that a arming sword wouldn´t do. You must understand that by that time the main troops of the portuguese navy wasn´t crosbowman, archbusier, bowman, pikeman, or halberdier, it was the Espadeiro (swordsman), and they didn´t use some flimsy and short blade, they used battlefield swords able to defeat armour, parrying dagger, round shields and plate armour.

@chiliblack02

9 жыл бұрын

hahahaha Europe is the last country to have any good swords!!!!!!!!!

@ManuChao4live

9 жыл бұрын

benard Sellers it isnt even a country , but nevermind

@chiliblack02

9 жыл бұрын

you didnt get the joke huh?

Next up: Kendo vs Sleeping Fencing vs Doing laundry

THANK YOU! Finally somebody brought that to attention. People seem to have such a black and white knowledge on samurai.

you can't even see the blade of the foil for christ's sake

@Generalchaos192

10 жыл бұрын

Sabre*

Those still dreaming about mystik samurais defeating medieval europeans warriors in one second on the battlefield, know that in 1610 there was a confrontation between the portuguese and the japanese in Tanegashima, and the portuguese Carrack Madre de Deus was surrounded by 3000 japanese soldiers and withheld for 3 days with no difficulties. Did the portuguese had fire weapons? Yes, and so had the japanese, but certainly japanese attempted to board the ship, since they exceeded the portuguese 10 to 1. In the end, just as the portuguese thought they had won, there was an accident with a grenade in Madre de Deus and the ship´s sails caught fire, leading the Captain André Pessoa to blow himself with the ship. And for that he was revered as a honorable warrior in Japan.

@Grim67894

5 жыл бұрын

Portuguese sailors aren't medieval warriors

@dangergirldesigns5943

5 жыл бұрын

@@Grim67894 very true but we should take for granted that English is not Daniel's first language. They typically carried cutlasses or rapiers. What Daniel mentions was only one of quite a few historical brawls before Japan closed its borders, though. It got to the point that, when Portuguese merchant marines went for shore leave, they were under orders to leave their swords on the ship. Competent and properly trained Western fencers are befuddled by the technique known as the hanging guard; I can only imagine how samurai who had never seen such a thing fared. Such incidents only fueled Tokugawa's decision to close of Japan from Europe (Never mind the Jesuits! lol). I should also mention that the Dutch did very well against samurai with their klewang sabres.

@pete4007

4 жыл бұрын

Lol fake history

@FoieGras

4 жыл бұрын

@@dangergirldesigns5943 LOL! Pesoa KILLED himself as to not fall into Japanese hands (a very un-Christian thing to do, I might add). There was No One ALIVE! That's even AFTER all that missionary work. AFTER all that political intrigue (and missionary work from the Jesuits). The self-imposed isolation? That's BECAUSE Japanese people had that type of POLITICAL FREEDOM to do so. Otherwise it would've been a COLONY like Brazil! You'd think they'd LET Japan stop trade routes if Japan was at their mercy?! They did it because they were DISHONEST PEOPLE and they DIDN'T FEEL LIKE SHARING THEIR RICHES WITH THEM ANYMORE! When the Spanish came later, they were TOLD not to get on the Japanese's bad side! Hanging guard...right. I don't know anything about it, but I can BET that it's just a classical gimmick that when figured out, is useless. Japan has some of those as well. I'll give this to Rennaissance-era fencers. They do know how to spin a story! A far cry from the knights of the middle ages, I'd say.

This is really cool, why did Deadliest Warrior never do anything like this?

@DireSloth

10 жыл бұрын

Because Deadliest Warrior is a shitty show.

@keonianderson5145

10 жыл бұрын

The show was lame the idea was great

@kamaeq

10 жыл бұрын

Keoni Anderson +1, sooooo many errors and false assumptions in there. "Oh the guy with the heavy armor...." (which really wasn't that heavy) "...is going to get all tired out and worthless..." (like you dweebs who assume that nobody ever trains) "...an then he'd lose." (forgetting the fact that the armor and *weapon* are superior to his opponent's, which means he would be hard to wound and would gut the other guy if he hits him)

@keonianderson5145

10 жыл бұрын

kamaeq They also dont consider the living conditions of the warriors. If a guy lived to 25 in a harsh ass barren wasteland or trained his whole life to kill other people its going to play a huge role in a fight against the spoiled son of an aristocrat who treats combat like poetry.

@sinister0077

10 жыл бұрын

DireSloth You're a shitty show

the ting i iv wanted to see!:)

It is interesting to see how a two handed sword and one handed come across each other different sport

If that was a real fight the guy with the katana would be dead because the fencer would be armed with a dagger in his other hand, which was typical at the time

@user-it9qq9oy8k

10 жыл бұрын

well tbh, fencing is a sport between nobles, so they don't really use the dagger,and it is hard to do different thing w/ both hands

@davereid-daly2205

10 жыл бұрын

I don't agree, my fencing master fought with both, and challengers came to fight him from all around the world.

@user-it9qq9oy8k

10 жыл бұрын

oh sorry, I don't know much about fencing, but I think your master must be very good to be able to use both hands well, and there are not a lot of people who practice fencing still practice using the dagger. If not talking about these 2 guys but fencing vs kendo, there are also people who use 2 katana at the same time, the most famous who does that is Miyamoto Musashi (宮本武藏), so I think it depends on individual skill. There are also people who can people who have sword when naked hand (well with some special gloves). If possible can you tell me your master's name? I'm not questioning about what you say, just that I love knowing about all kind of people

@davereid-daly2205

10 жыл бұрын

Paul Liu Paul, you may find the book, " sword of no sword", very interesting. Its about the life of Japans greatest swordsman, who fought most of his fights with a bokken because he did not want to kill his opponent, even though his opponents faced him with a live sword. He was more interested in mastery than killing, unlike Musashi. My master is known by top level swordsmen who fight for mastery privately. Go well. Dave

@Itzgabezone

10 жыл бұрын

right now, since they both have wooden weapons the fencer would win. but since you're talking about a real fight, the samurai would win. the samurai has a better and sharper sword that was designed to kill in one slice, and the samurai was trained to kill in one slice. the fencer and his rapier were meant to duel, to parry, to clash swords, but the rapier can't handle the katana's metalwork and the fencer can't handle the samurai's two handed strikes. they are two completely different arts and swords, the rapier is a thrusting sword, and the only way to parry with a strong slice is another one.

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.

@thedroidish

5 жыл бұрын

"You don't believe in the Force." "Kid I've flown from end of the galaxy to the other,..seen A lot of strange stuff. But, I've never seen anything that makes me think there's one all powerful force, that controls everything. It's all A lot of simple tricks and nonsense."

i've been learning a bit of rapier fencing and it's been drilled into me that control and technique prioritizes speed; you will naturally learn to become faster once you've mastered the techniques and learned to control them

*sagenod* I hadn't remembered to take into account the extra blade length. You good sir are a scholar and a gentleman! Also far more knowledgeable than me in regard to rapiers. I could tell you the point of balance on a hand-and-a-half without picking it up but I couldn't tell you the first thing about rapiers other than what I've heard and seen xD

in kendo the kendoka won easily in fencing the fencer won easily... the point system are just way too different

Hello...My name is Inigo Montoya...

@silentlineac

8 жыл бұрын

Hilarious.

@leonart4216

8 жыл бұрын

this is not spanish fencing at all

@duncanng3

8 жыл бұрын

Leonart You are using Bonetti's Defense against me, ah?

@cunt8027

8 жыл бұрын

Hi

@haochaotsiminh6193

7 жыл бұрын

Duncan hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahaha

That is hilarious! I'm going to have save that one for future reference.

This is an example of a fencer who has a defensive style. Even so, on each occasion he successfully parries the kendo attacker and ripostes cutting open the kendo guys chest. A fencer in this situation can also be the aggressor!! This kendo stance lends itself to a beat attack or pris-de-fur attack; as the kendo weapon is held way out away from the body. The advantage of the fencing footwork over kendo footwork is particularly in the lunge as it allows the fencer to stay out of range until prepared to strike and then close distance rapidly to execute the attack. I would lunge at this kendo guy and either beat attack to head or thrust into body before he has time to parry. Its over very quickly this way. Remember, Fencing is a sport, and meant to be fast. That is why the weapons are so light and flexible. Imagine the fencer with a real size sabre for a better comparison.

Fencer gets 10+ kill shots Kendo got 2ish Theres a reason the rapier became of the sword.

@tanrayan40

9 жыл бұрын

No it's épée

@vladjovan2744

9 жыл бұрын

+Angry dude with no future SABRE

@ericlanglois9194

8 жыл бұрын

+Crafty Zen You know that "épée" literally translates to "sword" >.>

@dhdowngbrldicjd

8 жыл бұрын

No, foil is the one with the small guard. Epee has a guard that covers the entire hand. But the guy in the video is using an epee.

Who won? I can not see.

@PaulusdeKenezy

8 жыл бұрын

***** The question was, who is better on the street? A Fencer or a Kendoka?

@GreatToastMigration

8 жыл бұрын

+Origenes Trismegistos Who in the Hell breaks out in a fencing match in the streets?

@PaulusdeKenezy

8 жыл бұрын

GreatToastMigration Just theoretically. Every fight or competition is about that. People are curious who would win...

@GreatToastMigration

8 жыл бұрын

Origenes Trismegistos Ah, alright. My previous comment was more of joke than anything. I was just imagining two men dressed in 15th century clothing, walking around town and randomly erupting into a sword fight. ;)

@ericchinault1164

8 жыл бұрын

+Origenes Trismegistos There have only been 4 recorded encounters between samurai and western swordsmen (all dutch traders IIRC). The westerner's won 3 out the 4 matches.

such an interesting exercise. I appreciate the testing of theory here; remembering that this is not a test of which style is better, just an interesting exercise in "what if" I still believe that in the end, it is not the martial art that wins, but the martial artist.

Holy Crap! You again! We met at the Katana vs Longsword video.

weapons are unimportant. The quality of the swordsman is.

@Sgtcheesecake1

10 жыл бұрын

i agree but all factors come into play swords, fighting style, time spent training, skill and fatigue

this is definately recorded with a potatoe

@sofoniza

8 жыл бұрын

Were you watching Danisnotonfire before this?

In the time of plate, blunt weapons and war-hammers were used to knock the opponent stupid, to disorient and take them down so a stiletto or dagger could be driven through the most weak point of the armor, or the helmet visor. That's why long-swords began to be tapered and the forté un beveled or sharpened, to grasp for a half-hand and thrust.

Indeed. I notice the same with longswords as well as gladii and other swords. In this case, I was refuting something very specific about the use of katana with one-hand.

I never understood what is so great about fencing... Who in their right mind would fight like that in real life? What does lightly tapping your opponent's blade accomplish? Why would you stand there and wait for them to attack? Sure, sometimes that could be advantageous but certainly not all the time.

@RandyLeftHandy

10 жыл бұрын

Martial art. Besides, what would make you fight like that is relative to the armor in the period that that particular fighting style came about.

@xxXfanosXxx

10 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with Jon agorn... And i was doing sport fencing for some time and i assure you that is one of the hardest sports ever, since you need a very good physique,but also focusing, knowledge and technical abilities

@mykulpierce

10 жыл бұрын

George Silver would agree with you. The beginning of the end for European swordsmanship came before 1600. In 1599, George Silver wrote the Paradoxes of Defense in which he criticized the standards of foreign rapier fencers introducing a style meant for first blood or first touche dueling. The style was out of touch with that used in actual combat on the battlefield. In a historical context the rapier fencing eventually turned into our modern sport fencing. The sabre in fencing today in no way reflects a weapon used prior to the mid 1700s. A period in which the long sword, cut & thrust, halberds, etc had long fell out of warfare. George silver ranked weapons, it went something like hookbill/halberd, longsword, sword & shield, sword & dagger, and so on. Right honorable.

@SuperSpells

10 жыл бұрын

I will do my best to answer your questions, the reason they fight like that is to play to the weapons strengths. Seeing as a rapier is a thrusting weapon, the style is optimized for quick and successive thrusts to strike at an opponent's vitals. ie, heart, lungs, stomach, throat, liver, kidneys, ect. Tapping an opponent's blade would normally distract an inexperienced opponent due to the noise. It also partially deflects their blade or strike away from you, allowing the rapier to glide along their blade quickly while using your mass to further take control of their sword by stepping forward. Also since a rapier is so thin and fast you can get in and out before an opponent realizes they've been hit. Waiting for an attack is generally a personal choice, but the main idea is that a rapier is not a weapon you can be very aggressive with, at least not without a lot of planning first. You can't clash with their sword directly because the rapier could break. It's a tactical weapon, one that is quick and precise, it gives it the ability to take advantage of small openings. It's more about capitalizing on an opponents weaknesses, either in their strikes or stance. As someone else stated, this is also sports fencing, and while still lethal, not a perfect representation of historical fighting. If you went back and saw historical fighting, you'd see that the rapier, especially in combination with a buckler, was very lethal. It just took a particular person to use it, you had to play as much to the weapons strengths as it played to yours.

@adventchild5150

10 жыл бұрын

Because it's an art?

Funny how some people think a katana will cut though other steel. So much bs from Japanese fanatics. The katana is not a spectacular sword... it is actually prone to breaking if struck on the flat hard enough or if you strike with the flat. it also is not a long sword, is heavy and is two handed. A single handed blade has much more reach, flexibility and way more motions and attacks can be made. The katana is just a single edged two handed sword. Also, if you have ever fenced or done any sort of weapon based martial arts, you will know it is damn near impossible to get around a shield with a two handed blade like the katana.

@Jfoltz39

10 жыл бұрын

People seem to think its the weapon that makes the winner, and not the skill of the actual fighter themselves.

@danielkostrzynski7151

10 жыл бұрын

Jfoltz39 That's a fair comment. But if you were to give me a cardboard box and a stranger on the street (with less fighting experience than myself) a sword and tell us to go at it, I think the weapon would indeed make the winner.

@Jfoltz39

10 жыл бұрын

... :/

@Sarkhamy

10 жыл бұрын

Jfoltz39 I think we can all agree its a combination. You need skill and the right tool to be effective. Which is why this whole weapon debate is relevant.

@jamestyler4676

10 жыл бұрын

Vivian Ho You are silly.

Both martial arts are distant which makes this battle interesting. Two types of martial arts that have similarities make an interesting battle.

pretty intense. u could tell both wanted to prove their style was better

Kendo has always looked awkward to me.

@TheCruithneach

8 жыл бұрын

+assassintwinat8 It's a cultural relic, like most fencing since the development of efficient firearms. So long as you are dueling with another Kendo fencer it is relevant but its Pris de Fer type arc attacks is too tactically slow to be a match for a Rapier or Small sword unless he could get in quick and lop the guys hands off. It is not necessary to dice your opponent into confetti to dispatch him in sword play.All that is required is a hole 2" deep in almost any area of the thorax and the guy is in a serious predicament and should make a beeline to a hospital. Believe it or not, for all the pikes Haberts Battle axes and such the true King of edged weapons in early Warfare was the humble dagger. It has dispatched more people than old age.

@assassintwinat8

8 жыл бұрын

TheCruithneach still never got in to kendo or fencing. neither are my style

@jhjh151

8 жыл бұрын

+assassintwinat8 Kendo is like Dark Souls dueling.

@holdshiftt2run308

8 жыл бұрын

+assassintwinat8 what sword style do you do?

@assassintwinat8

8 жыл бұрын

HoldShiftt2Run Hoplite

My money is on the fencer, as a general principle. The reason this manner of fight became standard in Europe is b/c holding a sword w/ a single hand keeps your body further back from your opponent. Holding your weapon w/ both hands makes more of your body exposed for attack.

I like how the Fencing guy fights like Count Dooku

@13Kr4zYAzN13

4 жыл бұрын

You know his style was based on fencing, right? Lol

"Sure I'll accept this sword fight. Let me just put one of my arms behind my back to demonstrate how seriously I take your discipline."

In a real fight give me a real Japanese katana. When it comes to style fencing or kendo they are both good it just a matter of what type of person you are. Shinai is two handed like a katana and a foil uses one hand.

@ApolloMars1617

10 жыл бұрын

i take the rapier or foil and a dagger. You will try to strike in real combat. you must come chlose that my faster rapier can stab you while you ty to strike (rising your arm) than your dead and try to hit me with your last breath. My dagger deflect the strike. your dead i win. real italian combat move in Thirty Years' War (basic). fencing is stylish because you cant grab the enemy sword or push or use another weapon. in real combat fencer used it.

@grantedfire

10 жыл бұрын

dagger would be a mistake to block with against a two handed weapon. The rapier was design for quick attacks that may not be fatal, but still injure opponent. If an opponent had any armor on the rapier or foil would be at a disadvantage versus a katana that can cut through armor. The reason why many Japanese style sword men would face losing would be underestimating opponent, but that can be resolved if the opponent knows both styles. Both styles of fighting and swords are good for what they do it comes more down to personal skill.

@Railriderchris

10 жыл бұрын

motionfire There's no reason why it would be a mistake to block with a dagger in every case. Both the European and Japanese traditions from the people who actually fought teach such techniques. Basically you're correct with your idea of the Katana being better in armoured battle, however no Katana would cut through any armour. Not even another sword. There are weapons made to fight armours directly but swods are none of them, you have to aim at the weak points in this case.

@grantedfire

10 жыл бұрын

Aiming for a weak point is always a swords men goal. Overall I think western or eastern styles of sword fighting are good and proved themselves over the centuries because both have obvious advantages and weakness that's why it comes done to personal skill and not underestimating opponent.

Kendo

Words of wisdom, I'll remember them dear Sir! And I'm sure Railstarfish will do it too as he is a great guy! ;-)

The kendo dude was about to use his bankai but realizes his opponent is weak.

doesn't even make sense to put a fencer vs kendo...if a person beats a fencer using kendo...that means the fencer sucked... fencing is probably the worst swordplay to go in a duel against using another form of swordplay...the whole idea of fencing is playing fast and defensive...you aren't looking for lethal blows in single strikes...you look to exploit enemies fault to eventually defeat them....it's annoying to fight vs fencers... i remember when i was in Japan they had two rather popular masters...one trained as a "Samurai" (i don't know if anyone can be called a samurai anymore), and a fencing maestro...the samurai couldn't do anything...not a single blow vs the fencer...and when the fencer was in trouble at any point he would strike the enemy at their hands with easy...due to a fencers stance and long reach(a fencing sword is as long as a longsword, i never knew that until i saw him show us and compared it to the swords they had there) it was easy to do apparently for a master especially since most sword styles require a slashing motion...

- your arm's off! - no it isn't. - what's that then? - it's just a flesh wound...

I have done foil epee and sabre for a few years havnt done it in a while. I really enjoy it, done electric and dry fencing.

The fencer has very good parrying technique..kept his distance. Dominated

Yes the Rapier has a huge length indeed. We've mesured that when you're doing a lunge you've got more than 50cm more reach than with a Katana (you can't turn your torso in nor lean forward with a twohanded weapon). That's enormous! :-D Thank you for you kind words, they show that it is you who are the Gentleman here! Sadly I don't know as much about the Rapier as I would like to. But there are some people in my historical medieval fencing school who are very knowledgeable about it, this helps!

This is a bit like Court sword vs Back Sword (Gentleman vs Army officer!) Once attended a demonstration of this and got to participate as the 'Gentleman with the Court Sword vs a mate who was the Army Officer with the Back Sword' We both spent the first couple of minutes wondering what the hell we were supposed to do. I had thought that the weedy stick that was the court sword would put me at a massive disadvantage - but it was not nearly as bad as I had thought. Thanks for the Video

Don't forget, fencers can fight with an offhand weapon (dagger - mostly for defense) or shield (buckler)

Observations 1) Fencers natural habitat is in the dueling area. When subjected to war they armor up just like everyone else. 2) Dueling samurai do not wear armor (Except for a metal headband). 3) Speed in sword to sword combat come primarily from: a) Technique b) Weight and make of the weapon c) Footwork d) Strength 4) Properly practiced karate is very loose, a stiff man cannot throw kicks above his head.

Chris, (It's just an assumption) I must apologies, my mistake, I was referring to the "car" antenna and not to a real rapier. The rapier is indeed one of the deadliest weapons of the time and in a combination with a dagger, even more so. Kind of reminds the Musashi style with a Katana and Wakizashi combination, but we'll never know, for sure. I retract my comment from before, you are 100% right. Thanks for pointing out, you're a good sport and not even offensive, I like that.

Good fighting skills from both.

Oh man, Kendo without Kiai is so strange :D but very nice video

Thanks, I'll see them as soon as I have some time! :-D

Samurai armour is less covering than its late medieval European counterpart, but where it protected it was very solid. There's little chance for a percing attack, from what sword ever, to penetrate the tightly laced, overlapping steel plates.

At least I can stand by him. You make Oscar the grouch smell like a bed of roses.

I love both , I love kendo much more

... Chris! We're under attack!