The Kelly Kettle is excellent. No one sits in the smoke unless they dislike the product trying to make it look bad. It lights really easy without the kettle on it and face the hole towards the wind without the kettle on it. When there is a decent fire going put the kettle on and start feeding twigs etc down the chimney.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. This video was to address some of the questionable feedback I've received on nice videos. Perhaps you might enjoy my recent video I did where I was being nice. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yodtj7CCqpW3e5c.html

@danbowman1251

8 ай бұрын

Spot on. The fire needs to be built before the kettle is set.

@icanary64

2 ай бұрын

What sadist told him to start fire with the kettle on ?​@@danbowman1251

Hi Jonny, thanks for the video but I totally disagree with you. I find the KK easy to use and with good bushcraft skills an excellent product for a survival situation. I don’t have any problem making or maintaining a solid fire. Please give it a go again with different materials and possibly you will have success. The KK has stood the test of time because it works. Good luck!

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Thanks but not a chance. I just came back from a day hike with a much better stove & it worked like a charm. No problem whatsoever. 😊 I stumbled across some tender material & the better stove had zero oxygen problems. If you want to see a superior stove at work, watch my next video that releases one week from today. If not, I'm glad you found the product for you

@mgsiddle

Жыл бұрын

I have used a Kelly kettle for 20 years and it works fine. You just don’t know how to use it. Very simply you use very fine twigs to get it started and then add slightly larger pieces. It only takes a large handful of twigs to boil a litre of water and at the same time you can be frying eggs and bacon on top.

@user-rn7jm2qs3o

4 ай бұрын

I totally agree..

@user-rn7jm2qs3o

4 ай бұрын

I have used mine alot, no problems.

@pauleades9037

Ай бұрын

Totally agree. The KK is a 100% reliable and has never let me down!

Jonny I don’t mean to criticize your fire lighting skills. When you lite the tinder in the fire bowl don’t over crowd the fire. Let it breathe. Let the fire catch and make sure the hole is facing any wind. Then place the kettle on. I disagree that that the Kelly Kettle is not up to snuff. What’s your hurry, enjoy the process. Kelly Kettle has enjoyed over 100 years of sales, that speaks volumes.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Good morning John and thank you for your feedback. I've got plenty primitive fire making videos if you are curious about my fire making skills. I appreciate the tip but I think that you are missing my point about KK's design and claims. The fire bowl doesn't breath well at all for a tinder bundle and the KK needs a good fire starter. The point of this video was to address some interesting tips I've received from the KK community and their claims that all you need is some twigs & KK in a survival situation. KK wasn't designed for that. The KK was good for its time and does a fine job of boiling water. I have found better stoves that take up far less space, breath much better, and are far more versatile.Take care!

Hard to believe that you’re having such a hard time figuring out how to use the kettle. 1. Grab a bunch of twigs, snap them all at the same time - they’re twigs! Set them down and do the same thing two more times. Now ALL of your wood is ready to burn. 2. Put a handful in the fire base at one time but not so much that it interferes with the kettle being placed on the base. 3. Fill the kettle to about one inch of the bottom of the pour hole. Set the kettle on the base. Grab a decent pinch of your wood shavings and poke them into one of the two air holes. The air holes must be facing the wind. Don’t argue with me - just do it. Light the shavings with a match or bow drill or whatever. After lighting the shavings pick up another wad of the broken and stacked twigs and drop them down the chimney, lol. If it takes over three minutes to do all of the above, I recommend that you buy a butane stove. If you want to carry water in your Kelly Kettle, I recommend that you buy an expansion plug at a good hardware store. Replace the nut on the plug with a wing nut. Sorry if this sounds like I’m talking to a child, I apologize. Incidentally, if there’s not enough wind, you can drill a bunch more holes? 😂

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Hi Black Magic. Thank you for your feedback. I really appreciate. To be honest, I haven't had any problems with the KK, and have used the KK successfully numerous times. This video was a response to some questionable comments made by the KK community. I typically toss in a few twigs, and light them with a Vaseline cotton ball. It works great at boiling water. I was really addressing the suggestions on how to deal with the bulk of the KK, carrying water, and the claim people that KK is a survival stove because you don't need to carry fuel. So far, I've yet to see anyone that actually knows how to make primitive fire in a survival situation suggest the KK is a survival tool. In the end, I find this to be a novelty item because it is one-dimensional and I do not carry it in my pack because it is way too large. The Firebox Stove is far more versatile and easy to carry. I appreciate you taking the time to write a thoughtful comment.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

In case you are curious, here are my thoughts on what a survival situation could look like and how to make fire. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYSOxrmfacmag6g.html

@blackmagic8115

Жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny I’m convinced that the KK is great at only one thing - quickly boiling water with a minimum of smoke and a maximum of scavenged fuel. Walking very far with it is beyond me, so I can’t comment about that, lol. I subbed and then liked your video - creators who respond to comments deserve support, even from ancient boomers. 😁

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

@@blackmagic8115 I really appreciate that. Not only for hitting the like button & subscribing, but for taking the time to watch my video and to leaving a comment. While I enjoy creating content, the most rewarding thing is getting to know people. Thank you!

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

Wigwam of kindling AND preload with long sticks - light the tinder and bobs yer grandma!

I love nothing more than a basic firepit! There is such a sense of adventure and primeval excitement that comes with creating a firepit like this one! So much potential, so much BBQing to do!

@ExpeditionaryJonny

3 ай бұрын

100% agree. Relaxing by the fire and enjoying a good meal is a great way to go through life.

Excellent 👌👍 Sharing my dear friend 💕🙏💕😘💕😘

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

I actually have the opposite opinion after using the smallest version of Kelly kettle in the Algonquin Park back country for 15 meals. I found starting the fire and getting it going wasn't too hard although my starting point was often either dry pine needles or a small piece of birch bark. in one case it was difficult to start so I added oxygen using a pocket bellows. the salesperson comment about ziplock baggy for carrying water in the kettle is bizarre because you can still order the old cap that was made to seal the kettle for carrying water. I have one of these as well. I enjoyed watching your video and especially sharing your thoughts and opinions during it. Thanks!

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Good morning and thank you for sharing your experience. I'm really glad to hear that you had a great experience at Algonquin Park. As I look over your channel, I can see that you really enjoy the great outdoors. So, new sub! The natural oils in birch bark & pine needles are very good options for this stove. Birch bark is rather rare in my neck of the woods and I grab it every chance I get. For me, the most important things is to learn about the local resources before stepping into the woods so that I can be successful. I enjoy relaxing by the fire and have been pleased with the Kelly Kettle for the meals & hot beverages that I've prepared. I just can't go as far as calling it a survival tool.

@NobleEndeavours123

2 жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny Thank-you for the detailed answer and for checking out my channel. In an upcoming video about a recent trip I will actually have a short section where I am using the Kelly kettle as well. I don't know if I would yet say it's a strong survival too since I am just getting started exploring its capabilities.

@DKFX1

2 жыл бұрын

I was the one that recommended him the plastic bag to contain the water in the bottle. The orange stopper easily comes out and will leave your bag pack soaking wet! Not a great idea. and very few local vendors sell them anymore due to the pressure hazard. I suggested it because it utilizes the space that would otherwise be empty inside the kettle, which is a concern if you think the system is bulky.

@NobleEndeavours123

2 жыл бұрын

@@DKFX1 I understand your thinking especially about getting the gear wet! I did have to make a special request to pick one up. I think the intention Kelly has is to carry water inside it outside of a pack although I could be wrong. Personally I use a water bladder to carry water if needed.

@DKFX1

2 жыл бұрын

@@NobleEndeavours123 My thinking is this: if you're going to bring the kettle on a trip it makes sense to utilize the inner empty space to the fullest to avoid having to use additional space in your pack for several water bottles, kindling etc. One should of course also bring a water bottle or a water bladder, but then you only need a single bottle which you can refill from the reserve in the kettle when needed. That being said, whether the kettle is suitable for taking on a hike depends on circumstances and priorities. It's not for everyone and for every scenario.

Awesome review! Thank you for sharing with us. God Bless!

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure Kat. I hope you find it helpful.

I like mine. Are you facing the 2 vents into the wind as suggested?

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for watching & asking. Typically, yeah. This video was more about addressing the claim that the KK is a good bug out / survival item, and I don't consider the KK to fit that bill. If someone is in an area that has birch bark, that'll work. I'm glad you like your KK.

I've always looked at the Kelly kettle, thanks for your honest review, Jonny.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

It was my pleasure Dean! I debated on how much to say, but the KK fans kept presenting the KK as the perfect all around gear when it really is a specialty item. I like it for certain things but like all things, it does have its limitations. Thanks mate!

Great review Johnny. Great finds and honest opinions. Thanks for sharing your experience with this product. God bless 🙏 stay safe hugs ❤️.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Susan! Some of my KK friends don't always like complete honesty so this means a lot. I really appreciate it!

I appreciate your review. It's a cool piece of kit that has those nostalgic vibes. I agree though that it looks pretty bulky.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dan! It is a nice piece of equipment & it does its job well. Like all things, it does have its limitations. You ready for the weekend?

@DCOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny no major plans here for me - coming off of a week camping. My boys have football this weekend so probably catching up around the house.what are you up to?

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

There Trekker model isn’t too bulky,you can carry water inside and sticks in the hollow and the aluminium model is lighter,so not too bad.

Cool review. I don't know much about this, so now I'm learning.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

I feel you Paul. I started playing around several years ago & basically started my second childhood. I just spent a week in Colorado & did a lot of listening to folks that have been doing this longer than me. I hope you found this helpful brother

@paulgoesoutdoors9616

2 жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny I sure did

I got 0,6L version and I was amazed how easy it was to cook up water to make food. Have a video with my first try lol but after watching this I just want to go out and cook food with it since Kelly Kettle is so easy and fast to use.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

10 ай бұрын

Good morning! Thanks for turning it. Yeah, the Trekker does a nice job of boiling water. I was pretty rough on the KK on this one. This video was about addressing some of the feedback that I've gotten from some KK fans. Hey, go for it! I love a good cooking video and am always on the lookout for fresh ideas. I'm working on a new KK video from a survival perspective and will be including some cooking tips. I'll be showing something than you can do with hot water, other than just reconstituting food. I'm not sure if the KK fans will like it, but I'll try to keep it fair & honest. I appreciate you swinging by for a visit.

Great points, all facts. The Kelly reminds me of the old dairy cans. I think it’s more suited for a base camp than hauling it around. It takes up valuable space. Plus it is uni functional, only best for heating liquid. Try cooking a can of beans on it. Great video and review

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

I had the exact same thought about the milk can when I first saw it Mark! I think that plays into the nostalgia factor for the KK fans. I guess it works for the folks that just want to boil water. Yeah, making a can of beans or anything else substantial is a real trick.

@MarkKratzMC

2 жыл бұрын

Well you have to give kudos to the guy who designed it. They was thinking

@mgsiddle

Жыл бұрын

You just don’t know how to use it. I have had one for 20 years and they work brilliantly. Use the basics of starting any fire. Simply use very slim twigs on the bottom and progressively larger ones on top. A handful of twigs is enough to boil a litre of water in minutes. If you want to add extra fuel you can larger add sticks through the base for boiling water or if you are using the frypan. You can easily light a fire in the base with a bow drill, fire roll or flint. You really need to get an education in bushcraft.

@MarkKratzMC

Жыл бұрын

@@mgsiddle maybe you should educate us less capable people with your wealth of knowledge. It’s one reason I watch Jonny. He helps us beginners without being condescending.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

@mgsiddle hello & thank you for your feedback. While I appreciate you watching, I do wish you had listened. I never have problems with KK when I build a small base 🔥. I was addressing some interesting "tips" and claims made by KK disciples. I'll be freshening up my KK playlist with more general information on the next future and will be using birch bark to get the fire started. As for your closing comments about my skills, that pretty much tells me that you are a Kool aid drinking disciple & not to be taken seriously, but I wanted to give you the courtesy of a response.

I tend to agree with you about the kettle part of the Kelly Kettle. I am, however, on the fence still about the fire base and the small grill add-on. So I might purchase just the base, pot stand and small grill plate for hot dogs, fish or a hamburger. To be fair, I did notice that did seemed quick to place the kettle onto the base after lighting it. The base mostlikely needs to bloom and ash some before adding the kettle or any other additional twigs through the top hole. Also, your firebox style stove is great except in rain ... and the Kelly Kettle is famously known for working during a full-on rain. Again, still on the fence about it. I own a SOLO STOVE TITAN and adore it for cooking whatever my heart desires... it's like cooking on a gas fired stove at home with little fuss or worry to it. Gasification stoves are very easy to regulate the heat based on the amount and type of natural fuels used. I personally prefer Hickory wood chips when I carry my own wood source. Thanks for the honestly candid review and demonstration of the Kelly Kettle.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Hi Pamela. Thank you so much for visiting my channel and your thoughtful comment. Nice timing. I was just telling my wife that it is time to freshen up my KK playlist. If you are considering the fire base, you might want to visit JKS Homestead and Parkitpitchitmoorit. JKS uses the Trekker and PPM uses full size. I enjoy their content and they give me lots of ideas for my own trips. I agree with you about letting the fire bloom. This video was rather personal & I was addressing some interesting "tips". I never have any problem lighting KK when I do my own thing. As for the rain, I tend to try to get my stoves out of the rain. I've been looking at the Solo stove ever since I made my first DIY gas burning wood stove. I've heard lots of good things about it. My only concern is the amount of space it takes up in the backpack, which is why I settled with the Firebox. I really appreciate you. Let us know if you decide to give the KK base a try!

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

It’s primarily a water boiling stove.See my comment above.

Great video I agree fire making and a regular bottle simplest way to go like that wool coat deal we have to talk about that next time

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it is amazing how some people get stuck on an idea and over complicate matters. Every time I start putting stuff in a backpack and look at the KK, I'm like ... NOPE! The wool jacket is called a Anorak and it is a great piece for wearing in the woods. The store I bought it from is down right now, but I'm sure that we can find something similar

@SDMountainMan

2 жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny I have seen adds on Facebook and Amazon. Seem not that good and not wool

Good review Jonny , thanks for sharing , God bless brother !

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure Michael! Thanks for watching brother!

Nice review mate, I’ve got the 1.5 litre version made by ghilli and it’s ideal for when me and my Mrs are spending a day up the woods and we don’t want to leave a scorch mark, not sure I’d want to carry it as a “survival “ stove though! I enjoy using it for a pleasure day out. Nice video mate 👍🏽😎 best wishes

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mass dog! Yeah, the KK is really nice for those moments. I just wish some of the KK fanatics didn't push to convince me to believe the stove is something it is not. There is beauty in the design for what it is. I appreciate you mate!

@MadDogSurvival

2 жыл бұрын

👍🏽👍🏽😎

Great thorough, honest review.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks John! Yeah, I know it ruffled some feathers with some KK friends, but I gotta keep it real. I appreciate you brother!

I agree with your closing comments brother 👌🏽👌🏽👍🏽😎

Excellent real world review 💯👍🇺🇸 keep up the great work

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve! I was going for that so I really appreciate it brother!

good review!

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve!

Not sure what is meant by a survival stove. Any biomass stove can become a survival tool when other manmade fuels are unavailable. Is it packable for backpacking ? There are probably better options but is great for canoe/car camping.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

8 ай бұрын

Hey, Dan! Thanks for watching and I agree 100% that the KK is good for canoe/car camping. Back when I made this video, KK posted on their webpage and their loyal followers were calling the KK a survival tool. So, I put this video together to address some of the comments I was receiving. KK has since removed the survival reference on their website but still state that the KK is a good bug out bag item. If you are interested, I gave the KK a couple more chances and tried to show what it does well and talked about my perspective on survival situations. Here is a link to my latest video kzread.info/dash/bejne/nHid1ZN_ctzNY9o.htmlsi=dxBPLaS66skeK-vw.

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

It is a great survival stove,mainly for boiling water,though you can cook on the base to a degree.It’s just a matter of learning to use it properly.

Jonny add more holes to the base and it should work well after that💯

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Hi James. I appreciate the suggestion. However, KK is a good specialty tool for boiling water and I'm not a big fan of altering the design. I'll continue to use the KK stove as is for boiling water and I'll choose a more appropriate stove for backpacking situations & conditions where I need a backup survival plan.

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

Not needed,just learn how to use the thing!

I honestly think this is a very lazy review. You don't seem practiced in its usage. Some of those tips you received were from me and I still think those tips were solid. If you complain that the system is bulky the utilizing that inner space becomes important, and like a firesteel you need to use the system with care and proper methodology for it to be very reliant and effective. Experienced users wouldn't have any issue cooking a small meal with this product, and one the bigger models even less so.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback & the the opportunity to test your tips. The KK is a fine product but I find it far short of your claims. Say what you want about the review, but I'm not going to make a commercial selling all of the wonderful things about the stove and showing only the perfect scenario. I made this video specifically for you Sabertooth Turtle. Space & weight is everything when backpacking and carrying water in a container that you cannot easily drink from is awkward & heavy. The claim that one does not have to carry fuel & the suggestion to carry fuel inside the stove is contradictory. Also, the claim that the stove is a good piece of survival equipment is extremely questionable. It really depends upon the local resources. If fatwood or birch bark are not available in the area, the user will have a real struggle using the stove without a good fire starter. Personally, I have put in a lot of time gaining proficiency with friction fire and a ferro rod in order to deal with very desperate situations, and I can speak with plenty of certainty that the KK is not designed for those types of situations. The more you protest and cling to your "tips" the more you show that you have a very narrow perspective and refuse to accept that the KK is not all things to all people. Here is my tip for you. In order to accept a thing or person for what it/they are, you must accept it for what it is NOT. I accept that you love the KK and are not open to honest & fair feedback. Even though I do not view the KK as a survival piece of equipment, I will still enjoy using it for what it does well (boiling water with minimal fuel).

@DKFX1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny Fair enough, to each his own I guess. I simply found that the review contained a lot purposeful misunderstandings. You fill up the kettle with water not because you're going to drink from it directly, but because filling it up means you need to carry fewer water bottles on the side. with a filled kettle you only need 1 or 2 bottles with you instead of 3-4 and if you need a cup of tea you already have the kettle filled which means you don't need to expend that water supply you carry in your pack. Need to refill your bottles? you can also use the kettle as a refill tank. Saves a good amount of space which as you said is important. Regarding your comment about carrying fuel, that's not what the chimney space should be used for, it should be used for carrying kindling. You could've place those cottonballs in their for example or some birch bark, cardboard etc, to make it much easier to light the fuel you find in the wild. So again, I did not find your review very useful and it seemed very misguided and honestly a bit condescending as well.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

@@DKFX1 The more you write the more I hear a salesman. The review purposefully addressed the claims made by yourself and other KK fans. I didn’t come up with these items on my own. The KK world gave me plenty of material to work with. You originally wrote me the following in February, “Being able to take a quick sip of water on the go is definitely important which is why I always make sure to carry a half liter or 1 liter water bottle in my pack's side pouch. Whenever that gets empty I can just refill it using the water inside the Kettle. That way I don't have to pack several bottles which frees up a lot of space in my pack. I have the scout model, so I can get a pretty good amount of water in there, and feels good to utilize all the empty space inside the kettle efficiently Carry water in a stove that has limited use? Seriously? Instead of carrying extra water, the smart hiker knows his/her water sources before heading out because they can’t afford to carry the extra weight. I’ve known through hikers that carry 1 Qt of water because they have ample opportunity to refill as they go. If you know anything about camping, you should be familiar with the 4Ws (Water, wood, wind, and widowmakers) for a campsite, so ideally the camper/survivor will be near a source of water and can replenish their supplies when they settle in. Your idea of utilizing the empty space is ……. Hmmm, interesting. Perhaps you might want to watch my video on developing a water plan at kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIOWlMdtYK2-ZrA.html. You also wrote,” I also try to use the empty chimney space to pack stuff. Usually just corrugated cardboard or some pre-dried sticks, but you can use it for anything really.” Cardboard and pre dried sticks? Seriously? Again, why carry the extra weight and use up valuable space in a backpack? In this response, you wrote, “regarding your comment about carrying fuel, that's not what the chimney space should be used for, it should be used for carrying kindling.” Uh, the only fuel the KK can take is kindling material. In my world, we call them “smalls”. Otherwise the stove is easily choked out. Also, what do you think “pre dried sticks” are? The closest thing that am willing to go along with is that I always carry a haversack in my backpack so that I can easily collect materials while I’m on the move. Here is where the rubber meets the road that demonstrates how poorly the KK performs without a proper fire starter. The twigs I used in this video came from the same source that I used to make a ferro rod fire from a bird’s nest in my water video and the fire developed just fine when I was not confined by the KK. As I’ve stated, the KK is a good specialty tool that has restricted O2 flow, and I find it irresponsible for KK lovers to make this stove to be something that it is not. It is much easier to build a normal fire without the KK and then cook over the open fire than to try to work within its narrow confines. As for the usefulness of my review, you are not my intended audience. You have already made up your mind and I merely used your own "tips" to educate viewers so that they can make an informed decision. As for your comment about being condescending, “he without sin may cast the first stone.” I’ll finish with a story that you might find interesting and explains my view of the KK. The A-10 Warthog was scheduled to be decommissioned in the 90s because its capabilities were too limited and thus too expensive. However, the Gulf War changed everything and the USAF found out that modified F-15 & 16’s could not do the same role and the A-10 was given a new lease on life. Each of those aircraft have their strengths & weaknesses. A-10 is great against the ground, F-16 for mid-range aerial combat, and F-15 for air superiority. The same holds true for the KK. It can boil water quickly with very little fuel. It might kinda get the job done in other areas, but that is not what it is meant for.

@DKFX1

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ExpeditionaryJonny I appreciate you taking the time to write that lengthy message. Clearly we see differently on a few things. I am not making out the KK to be something that it is not. I gave you a few tips that I personally find useful for bringing the kettle out while trying to minimize the bulkiness of the system. Personally I don't view the kettle as some ultimate survival stove, but I recognize it can be used for that purpose if necessary, as you will find dozens of videos about here on KZread. The fact that you call me a salesperson or whatever is just laughable as I'm just a regular user of the Kelly Kettle and since you already have one, I wouldn't be very wise to try and sell you something that you already own, would I? One thing is for sure, I'm going to be very cautious about giving you any tips and advice on anything in the future as I don't appreciate the condescension or the accusations of being some type of salesperson.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

@@DKFX1 😆 please keep the tips coming. I can always use a good laugh & new video material

You can top load but not until that smoke stops billowing out

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Hey brother! Thanks for the tip. I don't actually have any problems with the KK. When I'm not making videos demonstrating some the KK tips I've received over the years from KK "experts", I typically toss in a vaseline cotton ball in the base with a few twigs and it works great. Your point about the smoke is interesting because smoke typically indicates how cleanly the fire is burning (something really important to me when using my smoker). The only reason the fire didn't have stay power with the top loading technique is that there wasn't enough tender/paper to have a flame hot enough & long enough to light the twigs. A good fire starter takes care of the issue and brings home my point that the KK isn't a survival tool as proclaimed by some KK salesmen. I do appreciate your feedback. I really do. I hope you are enjoying your KK.

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

I build a kindling wigwam AND top load before lighting the tinder,done right it becomes a non-tend stove.

Agree, great in concept, but not quit there.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

3 ай бұрын

Thanks, Monte. Yeah, if KK didn't pretend to be something it is not I wouldn't have a problem with it. On the positive side, KK fans really love their product and keep coming back to watch my videos. I'll probably have to make a fun video for them just for always coming back.

would be nice for a base camp but not practical for hiking

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

I'm with you brother. Some of the fire hard KK fans don't want to hear it, but we have to figure out what works for each of us. That is why I like how you are always showing different things. I appreciate you James!

VERY nice

The persistent pessimistic tone right from the beginning was a big strike against your review. You could have honestly tried using your obvious skills, experience, and background. This product is no different than the people who still use charcoal grills in the backyard and others who use gas grills. I've seen many other videos of people who use this product with great ease and success. I think I'll get one with accessories and a bag of charcoal for my grill. P.s. I don't cut the tags off my clothes and cut the ends of my shoe laces shorter to save weight on my gear either.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

To each his own brother. I don't make video commercials for products and have no problem addressing false claims. This video was a direct response to the several of the KK fanatics that are always negative and make a lot of false claims. I agree with your analogy about charcoal vs gas and am always happy for people to find the product that works best for me. I've used the product lots of times with ease & successfully in the past in other videos. I was pretty rough on KK on this one because of the outrageous claims some of their fanbase made on my other videos (carry kindling, always light the stove with the kettle in place & rubberband a ziploc bag). Most everyone agrees that KK is fine for car camping if you like to make fires (which I do). Most everyone also agrees that KK is way too big for backpacking and it is not the survival tool that some of the fanatics make. My skills are good enough to realize that the KK isn't worth the trouble to make it work in a survival situation when there are better options. Here is an example of a product that passes my test easily to be called a survival tool that I have no affiliation. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gHxqlLyEZtmxnqQ.html

@justsayin7704

Жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny I don't know that there is only one "hammer" to do all tasks. Same with camp stoves or any other gear or "tool". I agree that a Kelly is probably not a "survival" stove. Thanks for the lead on the other product. I appreciate your skills and experience and hope you continue to enjoy doing what you like to do. And I like that you appreciate the comfort of a camp chair!

Very nice great information 👍!

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike!

The KK is a base camp thing at best. Sure it can carry/hold water. You can store things in the fire cavity ect. But other than only boiling water. It don’t have much use. Your limited to freeze dried foods and whatever you can cook in just hot water. Without carrying anything else single wall that’s a metal. May as well stick with a Nalgene with a nesting cup if anything. Boil water an can still use the pot to boil water to put anything into up to raw meats for a stew or soup or whatever else. But your definitely not making any food inside the kettle. Sure you can cook meats on coals an over the flames an coals ect. But a pot opens up so so many more options. Even to sterilize things that you want done in water boiled. Can’t jam things down in the kettle. An not everything can be easily sterilized by heat an fire without burning ect.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Agree 💯!

@DKFX1

Жыл бұрын

The KK kit comes with two stainless steel cups, 2 plates, a small pot & a pan, which nests inside the kettle itself not taking any more space.

So what your'e saying is that a pound of water in water bottles is lighter than a pound of water in the kettle? Perhaps if the water was in the kettle you wouldn't need to carry the waight of the water bottles.🤔

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and also for commenting. That's not what I said at all. The point is that you have to choose how to carry water, and anyone that has worn a backpack knows that space is a valuable commodity. The Kelly Kettle website says, "It is not designed to replace a water bottle on a trail/hike ... water may leak into your pack." If you watch my 2nd chance video on the KK, I address carrying water and the size issue in a bit more detail. My point was so valid that the KK fan that suggested I use a ziploc bag & rubberband said my video was fair and that he got a good laugh on my outtakes. Again, thanks for the view and commenting. Take care.

I wish someone would buy a truck load of these Kelly kettle kits and give them out to to homeless vets

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Interesting thought. I used to work with a ministry with the homeless for 2 years, where we cooked fresh food and fed the homeless every Sunday. It was an unforgettable experience. A new pair of jeans, persona hygiene items, and bus passes were pretty popular items. I'm not really seeing the connection. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

They over charge for dog medication - I’m not giving them a free Kelly kettle as well !!

@trevethan82319841

7 ай бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny cool the but tickets would be handy so people could go and visit family

@trevethan82319841

7 ай бұрын

@@redpillnibbler4423 I meant homeless military veterans

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

@@trevethan82319841 Please tell me you realise I was joking? 😶

Is that the 0.6?

@ExpeditionaryJonny

6 ай бұрын

Yes!

I have a kelly kettle, and with a lot of experience. Jonny's review is biased rubbish. Don't think it is a good review until you have experienced it yourself. And yes, the tone of voice say a lot. I am no longer interested in Jonny's channel.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Lol! Where you ever really interested? I've never heard of you before so I doubt it. You are a masked, contentless keyboard warrior so you are mothing to me. The tone is a response to the KK fanatics suggestions. Since you are so experienced, put it a video showing it. As they say, talk is cheap.

Great video brother. My personal opinion is I would not waste my time with that stove. Far too many easier and more efficient ways to boil water. Thanks for the demo pal.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chief! Yeah, the only reason I bought it was as a favor to a friend. I figured I could keep an open mind while helping a friend. It's definitely not for everyone but I'll keep using it since I have it.

I feel like you were very unfair in this review and went looking for reasons to criticize it. For one, you can buy other plugs for it if you wanted to carry water in it. I've actually attached two to the chain, one for carrying, and the other whistle plug that came with it. Two, your critique if the low flame output didn't seem fair because you didn't have the hobo stove attachment connected to it. That increases the height allowing forbmore room for kindling. Easy fix. Third, throwing a generic water bottle in a fire and calling it more effective is not fair because you still have to take the time and calories to process the firewood to make it happen. With a KK you only need to forage for sticks and twigs to get it going. Not to mention if you're in a situation where you're trying to remain stealthy, having a bonfire wouldn't be a good idea whereas the KK can get the job done while still remaining stealthy. Not impressed.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Not very impressed with you comment. Sounds pretty emotional to me. I made this video in response to the ridiculous comments I've received from the KK community. KK is fine for boiling water while car camping. It is not the survival tool some make it out to be. I welcome you to prove me wrong.

@iReturnV1deotapes

Жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny I just told you. The KK doesn't require a bonfire to remain effective at boiling water. Its much more incognito in hiding the flame than an open fire. Theres your proof. In what world are you living in where its not objectively better as a survival tool, to not have to process a ton of wood first to start your fire in order to get your water to a rolling boil, as WELL as doing It WHILE remaining stealthy. Did you even read my reply? Its all there

The KK has a high center of gravity. It boils water quickly but as a bushcraft or survival stove its not ideal. It takes up too much space in you pack and as i mentioned before, the center of gravity is too high to do some cooking. The Firebox Gen2 stove is a much better option.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

5 ай бұрын

I agree with you. The KK does a fine job of boiling water, but that's about it. I really don't understand how anyone would try to call the KK a survival tool. I really appreciate your visit and am glad that you enjoyed my video. Have a great weekend!

This has to be the worst video I've ever seen on how not to use the Kelly Kettle! My wife uses both our models too good effect and in the the British wet woodlands. And I would highly recommend this as a survival tool. As long as you have the knowledge to start and maintainer very small fire, ( clearly you don't have )

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching. Since I demonstrated the "tips" I was given by KK fanatics & I was showing that those tips didn't hold water, I agree this is not a "how to". I'm glad you like your KK. Not sure why anyone with any experience that would carry such a bulky & limited tool but to each his own. As for my fire skills, dude, you ain't paying attention. So, just how much merit do you think your opinion carries with me? Put down the Kool aid.

You need to learn how to use the updraft. They work fine. Just a little practice

@ExpeditionaryJonny

11 ай бұрын

Uh huh. 😆 Dude, I've used the KK lots of times with no problems & have made lots of primitive fires with no problem. The KK is designed to be used with just a few twigs & needs a good fuel starter (birch bark, fatwood or Vaseline cotton balls). There are far better options for scenarios where you have to stay with a bird's nest. Not a bad tool. Just not a good survival tool. Thanks for watching.

@peetsnort

11 ай бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny I always used make the mistake of stuffing it too much. Thin twigs and dried long grass stalk little and often

@ExpeditionaryJonny

11 ай бұрын

@peetsnort or, you can skip the base & build a fire much faster on the ground. If you are resorting to primitive fire, why take on the headache of staying within such a small area? I've got another stove that that isn't so particular, is far more versatile & takes up fast less space. Again, not a bad tool. Just not a survival tool.

@peetsnort

11 ай бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny yeah I made my own charcoal grill wood /charcoal burner and it gets very good updraft. I'll send the link

@peetsnort

11 ай бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny kzread.infog_m2LNOg5zA?feature=share

The last two days I've watched a dozen vids of people lighting the Kelly kettle no probs went up like billio your the.only person who did n't manage it ???

@ExpeditionaryJonny

3 ай бұрын

Hi Kevin. Thanks for watching. Yeah, KK folks really love their kettle so I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying watching so many KK videos. No worries, brother. I've started the KK without any issue multiple times and I'd like to invite you to visit my KK playlist (esp the 2nd chance look video). This particular video was designed to address several questionable bad tips & claims that I've heard over the years. Thanks again for watching.

@kevincooper8666

3 ай бұрын

I was considering buying one and decided to inform myself beforehand about them and how to use one as simple as that

@ExpeditionaryJonny

3 ай бұрын

@kevincooper8666 cool. Pretty straight forward. Light a few twigs to boil water. Not so great at grilling. Way too big for a back pack. Cooking videos are super edited. Go for it if you like it!

@kevincooper8666

3 ай бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny not for backpacking I agree for use car camping I'm just interested in all kinds of stoves small and large Coleman F1 Optimus svea vargo titanium various Gaz de France rechauds 1950s alcohol burner's et al I'm just an enthusiast

Your problem is that you do NOT FEED FUEL INTO THE TOP OF A ROCKET STOVE! ONLY THROUGH THE BOTTOM! Treat it as a rocket stove that it is and you will greatly appreciate a product that has been around since 1890. The Kelly Kettle was ahead of it’s time!👍

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your feedback. I find that to be rather interesting since I demonstrated the tips the other KK fans have been willing to share & they always say to drop fuel from the top after lighting a fuel starter while the kettle is resting on the stand. IMHO, the KK was good for its day but is a one purpose item that has been passed by new competitors. Not bad for nostalgia purposes but not going to go on my backpack. I appreciate you taking the time to give my channel a chance.

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

That’s nonsense,you feed sticks through the top!

Have to totally disagree with your review. You just don't know how to use it. It's a bad tradesman who argues with his tools. I've used the KK in all sorts of conditions and have never had an issue. I've used it in wind, rain, snow and on nice summer days too. The hobo stove works brilliantly, and I'd have it before any of my fire boxes. Really think you should take some of the comments here on board, we can't all be wrong. Start the fire without the kettle on, when it's going, you place the kettle on it and draw through the chimney brings in far more oxygen than you'd get on a tinder box.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

4 ай бұрын

Hello. Thanks for watching & commenting. Perhaps you'd be more interested in my 2nd chance video where I demonstrated KK's stronger points. If you check out my other videos, you'll see I always start the fire as you suggested. The purpose of this particular video was to address some bad suggestions that I've received over the years. I'm glad to hear that you love your KK.

You gave up too easily . . . It’s not magical,just like any other fire method you have to learn how to light it effectively by preparing dry tinder and kindling and setting them properly in the base. Collect some dry thin straightish fuel sticks for the main burn preferably longer than the kettle height.Next set a wigwam of dry (approx 5 inch) kindling in the base leaving a gap where the air holes are (you can tie the wigwam with jute twine to hold it together which sounds like a faff but it’s not really) - put some tinder in this gap and next to the holes.Next fill stove top with water,put the whistle bung in and place on top the base and put several of the thin long sticks carefully down through the top - carefully so as not to disturb the wigwam of kindling. All this is much easier than it sounds. Light the tinder and face the holes into the wind - it’s now a non-tend stove/self-boiling stove that works in any weather extremely fast and efficiently.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

7 ай бұрын

Hello RedPill and thank you for watching. Thanks for the tips and yes I agree that it is very easy. I've used the KK successfully numerous times. I'd like to invite you to take a look at my KK 2nd chancevideo I posted a couple of months ago. Whereas I addressed tips & claims from the most vocal KK users in this video, my 2nd chance video is more about showing what the KK is capable of doing well ... with some discussion about realistic survival situations. Here is the link if you are interested, kzread.info/dash/bejne/nHid1ZN_ctzNY9o.htmlsi=WsrCHdyuFx3l-jYs. I do appreciate the fire making tips. It's always a good idea to always keep learning. If you are interested, I'm rather proficient primitive fire and posted a bow drill "how to" video a while ago.

Kelly Kettle is the one you don't need in survival in the time point of live or death !!! Go with the firebox like I do Jonny !!!

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

I agree Linda! The KK folks weren't too happy with this video. I'm like, the truth is what it is. I carry my firebox with me everywhere

@redpillnibbler4423

7 ай бұрын

I disagree.Have both.

Man, get the fore going a bit more before you put the kettle on. Basic fire skills and you be fine every time😀

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the visit. I agree & that was my point. I wag pointing out the faults of the claims made by KK fans.

5:25 seconds into this thing and it seems like you're purposely trying to make this look difficult.

@erickincaid9779

4 ай бұрын

This video is a ridiculous waste of time.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. It wasn't purposeful, but I did have a good idea about the results ahead of time. I made this video in response to a bunch of bad suggestions & questionable claims. You might prefer my second chance video where I give the KK a more balanced look.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

4 ай бұрын

@erickincaid9779 sorry you feel that way but I appreciate you giving it a look. I hope you find my other videos more to your liking. Thanks

Can we see the kettle instead of you?

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Hi Becki. Thanks for watching. There are plenty of KK videos, where YT creators are willing to make free commercials for KK and you can see them show how shiny it is and saying the same ole thing. This video is meant for people that want to see if the KK claims & "tips" hold water. I appreciate the visit.

And of course you can cook on it also so why not show that. And it the smallest one 🤷🏼‍♂️

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

Hi Damon. Thanks for watching & providing some feedback. I did a bit of cooking with the KK on a few videos in my KK playlist if you are interested. I enjoy outdoor cooking & have lots of examples in my hiking playlist. Take care!

A bit odd reviewing a product you don't have a clue how to use properly. They are easy to light and keep burning.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

😂😂😂

@ExpeditionaryJonny

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. You might enjoy my 2nd chance look at kzread.info/dash/bejne/nHid1ZN_ctzNY9o.html

You should know how to use something you review. You obviously don't know😂.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

7 ай бұрын

LOL. Thanks for watching. I am well versed in the KK and have plenty of videos cooking different items. This video was made to address some questionable suggestions & claims. If you are interested, here is a more recent video where I give KK a second look: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nHid1ZN_ctzNY9o.html

Well, you completely missed the point of the KK, and it’s intended use, and how to use it, plus your “skills” are questionable. Terrible review.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

You are hilarious! The whole point of the KK is to boil water & that's IT! That is exactly how I started the video. My issue is with the KK community that tries to make the kettle out to be something that it is not. It's not very good at cooking food and definitely is not a survival tool.

@1967AJB

Жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny Your outrage only embarrasses you further. The KK is Ghillie kettle. Not a survival stove. It was designed specifically for fishing guides in Ireland to boil water only, using available combustibles. It’s not designed for cooking. Those resent attachments are a nonsense dreamed up be C21 marketing managers. To boil water it is extremely efficient, but it’s NOT a back packing or bloody “bug out” stove. It to be placed in a rowing boat and used to brew up at lunch time. The reason your fire went out was your skill and understanding of how it is supposed to be used, not it’s failing. Using long thin sticks will not maintain heat in the base, to perpetuate the burn, they will flare up in the chimney, moving the point of combustion higher until it’s extraneous to the kettle. It is designed to burn short prices of wood or pine cones or similar, allowing the heat to remain in the base. The chimney walls are to absorb heat not contain the burn. Plus, if you use long sticks you can not remove and replace the kettle as the tall fire collapses over the edges of the burning chamber, as you demonstrated so effectively. A bad workman blames his tools. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Make a video on Ferrocerium rods, because you can’t use them either. Now you rant back with more ridiculous bull shit and I’ll ignore you, as I’ve educated you enough.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

@@1967AJB You still crack me up. I'm not upset at all. I think you are funny. The phrase keyboard warrior comes to mind and aren't to be taking seriously.

@1967AJB

Жыл бұрын

@@ExpeditionaryJonny Oh no, trying to bait me, er, nope didn’t work. It’s funny, in your other video on the KK you sing it’s praises. So which one is bull shit? Answer - both of them. Go on, have the last word.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

Жыл бұрын

@@1967AJB Hahaha! ROFL. So you did watch the other videos, eh. So, then you know that I'm aware of KK's history and that this video was a direct response to the claims from all of the KK fanatics. I'm gonna stick with everything I've always said. The KK does a fine job of boiling water with limited resources. It's not the multi-use survival tool some people like to claim, I bought it as a favor to a friend, and it has no place in my backpack. And, you are definitely a keyboard warrior. However, you make me laugh so keep 'em coming if you want.

Your biased mate... wots your agenda?... what,are you floggn?

@ExpeditionaryJonny

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. The truth.

@ExpeditionaryJonny

8 ай бұрын

If you are interested, here is my second chance look at the KK.kzread.info/dash/bejne/nHid1ZN_ctzNY9o.htmlsi=DdhcxtbklaAkbLU9

You don’t no how to use

@ExpeditionaryJonny

28 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching