Remember comedy is comedy, so don't sweat it too much, and definitely don't attack Katherine. Also, remember Lin-Manuel Miranda himself has seen this very clip and Tweeted "Oh it is THE BEST."

@stxrrynxght319

3 жыл бұрын

Netflix UK & Ireland i feel like this is directed towards my comment since most of the other comments are just jokes lol i wasn’t attacking Katherine, I was just mentioning the actual facts

@stxrrynxght319

3 жыл бұрын

Ashton Todarello there’s literally no argument, my dude. chill.

@stillwatchingnetflix

3 жыл бұрын

Def not aimed at you or anyone in particular. Comment sections are meant to be for debate and chat so love to see it. We were just seeing some quite nasty comments (again not from you) after the Disney+ streaming so wanted to make sure people remember to stay kind.

@Coulshed

3 жыл бұрын

Oooooo! Netflix in a comment battle! Gonna grab the popcorn!

@esmeraldagarcia1583

3 жыл бұрын

Feel attacked. I'm not doing anything wrong but still. Her jokes we're great, in a few places, but it felt like nitpicking to me especially since I like to be a factually correct person. Not attacking, just my opinion.

How did no one laugh at “he sat at home alone for about *five* seconds”

@Yafavvtata

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao ikr

@kyragrayc

4 жыл бұрын

I mean. Alexander was by himself. Burr let him tell it

@ransherman1611

4 жыл бұрын

i laughed...

@jesperjee

4 жыл бұрын

@JeremyK 541OR. Soo...you like Trump tweets?

@jasonbanes7527

4 жыл бұрын

@@jesperjee wtf are you talking about? That has nothing to do with this video or any of the comments.

I can just picture Lin Manuel Miranda yelling hell yes to this clip.

@mc76

4 жыл бұрын

He would find it hilarious.

@W.Rain.

4 жыл бұрын

A video of him reacting to this would be awesome

@Leto2ndAtreides

4 жыл бұрын

It is a pretty funny clip.

@chrissies5442

4 жыл бұрын

Raquel Engen yesss

@MyTimeOutt

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if he regrets not having written this in that section? It is very funny!

Netflix to Disney+ be like: *It must be nice it must be nice to have Hamilton on your side*

@mariafausti3128

3 жыл бұрын

HAHA

@manuam98

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

@JChernicki

3 жыл бұрын

🔥🔥🔥

@jacobberry3149

3 жыл бұрын

Noice!

@trejuanturnbull1547

3 жыл бұрын

Talk less smile more don’t let them know what your against or what you’re for

I feel bad for the people who actually haven’t seen Hamilton and don’t understand how this is not exaggerated 😂😂

@iaknihs

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaze4223 and here I was thinking nobody here had actually seen hamilton...

@maxaustin3377

3 жыл бұрын

ka ze so he says...

@maxaustin3377

3 жыл бұрын

ka ze the fact that burr says “I’ll let him tell it” indicates that it’s entirely from his biased perspective and the whole story is so unbelievable I think Lin expected everyone to get that

@iaknihs

3 жыл бұрын

I mean sure, but dialogue isn't really a matter of perspective. For Maria's lines to be affected by this we'd have to either assume Hamilton (as narrator in this song) is lying directly to the audience (as nobody else is listening) - or is delusional enough to imagine dialogue that never happened. Hamilton's inner monologue is subjective for sure, but extending that to the assumption that he's lying to the audience seems a bit odd to me unless there's something to indicate this happened in the musical. (nothing I'm aware of, but I might've missed details, there are a lot of those after all.)

@maxaustin3377

3 жыл бұрын

iaknihsX2 the suggestion is not that he’s lying per se but it is definitely the suggestion that it’s his story told from his perspective and that he could obviously be lying bc it’s just his word. and not only just his word but what he wrote down for the world to read about so even more likely to be sanitised the suggestion, like so many parts of hamilton, is that we don’t know what really happened

"She had so many of Hamilton's kids, they named two of them Philip." *cries*

@teaandphysics3846

4 жыл бұрын

Une deux trois...

@ikaiti9841

4 жыл бұрын

She didn't make it to that part.

@mirandabee2323

4 жыл бұрын

@@ikaiti9841 It sounds like she has listened to the cast recording, so there's a chance she got to that part, and just breezed over the rainbow baby thing for her routine. But yeah, she might have been more hesitant if she had heard Eliza's scream.

@JDT4

4 жыл бұрын

@@mirandabee2323 Assume she was trying to avoid spoilers.

@reign8428

4 жыл бұрын

They had to replace the first one.

Simple answer: Hamilton has serious unaddressed mommy issues. He describes his wife, his mistress, and his mother as "helpless". Dude's got a complex about it.

@wmskemdke

4 жыл бұрын

wait when did he call his mom helpless

@decentgrocerybag4003

4 жыл бұрын

bees knees Maybe they’re talking about the line “But I’ll never forget my mother’s face, that was real. And as long as I’m alive, Eliza, I swear to god you’ll never feel so helpless”

@mochibunnyan6556

4 жыл бұрын

@@decentgrocerybag4003 To be fair, he saw how weak she was when she was on the brink of death, so it's bot surprising he saw her that way

@decentgrocerybag4003

4 жыл бұрын

Ace Error Yeah fair.

@christianone6611

4 жыл бұрын

Women had been made helpless by unfair laws. Glad he wanted to help the helpless...but not with his dick.

"HeR bOdY iS nOt SaYiNg ThAt To YoU" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@ejwiksten3770

3 жыл бұрын

Breigh Steenberg 1.) her voice is literally saying that to him. She leads him to her bedroom and after Hamilton says he’s leaving she asks him to stay. 2.) she spreads her legs and says please stay.

@carringtonn7

3 жыл бұрын

EJ Wiksten everything she’s saying is clearly a joke

@dbzperson1

3 жыл бұрын

carrington.m not funny in the slightest either. At least to me. To each there own tho. Why does she make it seems like he raped her?

@carringtonn7

3 жыл бұрын

3rdSt did you watch the video? katherine wasn’t making it seem like he r*ped her, she was saying that maria wasn’t throwing herself at him so there was nothing for him to say no to. and even then he could’ve just said no.

@dbzperson1

3 жыл бұрын

carrington.m uhhhhhhhhhhhhh have you watched Hamilton???? Look up the song at least before making yourself look stupid. She literally takes him to her bed and spreads her legs and asks him to stay. That’s when he asked how to say no. Soooooooooooooooooooo she WAS throwing her self at him. It’s like she didn’t even see the show tf

Eliza: take a break you haven't slept for three days Hamilton: no Angelica: come to the country with us Hamilton: no Maria: hey waddup cheat on your wife maybe Hamilton: sure why not

@Dva04

3 жыл бұрын

he seems perfectly capable of saying no to his wife and sister in law but somehow can’t say it to a stranger.... interesting

@kat9281

3 жыл бұрын

So all they had to say was maybe 🤔 problem sol- wait that’s not the point well sti-oh ok ummmmm nvm

@raysangel1973

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I mean, let’s be honest here... saying no or not, you know that Alexander did his business and 2 minutes later he was right back to writing. I think he took more time writing the Reynolds Pamphlet than the actual affair took. #alltalknoaction

@GizmoGremlinDog

3 жыл бұрын

Holly Verret well their affair went on for around a year 😂. So he spent some time on her

@tastynailclippings7781

3 жыл бұрын

Uhhh

“No! I’m too important!!” Alexander’s mindset for the entirety of Act 2

@cosmicyoutubeoof

4 жыл бұрын

No. That's just not what it is. He was doing important shit, not being important. He thought the important shit was more important than his family, sure, but he didn't once call himself important.

@somethingstarrry1076

4 жыл бұрын

Cosmic Honestly most of act 2 probably could’ve not happened if Eliza waited until next summer

@bronzetomatoes5613

4 жыл бұрын

The thing is tho he would've lost his job if he had taken a break =/

@octavaluna

4 жыл бұрын

@@bronzetomatoes5613 And he would have progressed so much further in his job is he hadn't taken his dick out, lol

@lavendelchen

3 жыл бұрын

it's kind of the opposite in act 1: nooo Washington I can fight I'm not THAT important

"America was very classist and racist" "it's difficult to imagine it that way now.." haha good one.

@williamchadwick7948

4 жыл бұрын

TeaAtTwo But it was less statist, so it had that going for it. Which was nice.

@redacted5078

4 жыл бұрын

America got roasted once again

@LP-ii3vy

4 жыл бұрын

Dumbest shit ever. If America is so classist and racist how did a black man become President? It's funny coming from a Canadian who's cuntry protects pedophiles and demonizes peoples free speech...yeah Canada sounds awesome

@RoseNoho

4 жыл бұрын

@@LP-ii3vy You are clueless. Did you know it was...oh, I'm guessing not, but did you know up until 1967 it was illegal for black and while people to marry in some states?

@LP-ii3vy

4 жыл бұрын

@@RoseNoho you fucking moronic parasite...what year are we currently in?

Philip: Mom what's for dinner? Eliza: roasted Ham.

@iy5385

3 жыл бұрын

*_the next day_* Phillip: mommy, where’s daddy? Eliza: *in your belly*

@aah296

3 жыл бұрын

Philip one or two?

@louisastoltzfus9304

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment 😂😂

@dragons_for_life376

3 жыл бұрын

I laughed WAY to hard at this

@allen_christopher4571

3 жыл бұрын

And I oop😮

"they named two of them philip !" well the first one didn't finish his french counting-

@astralpupx5415

3 жыл бұрын

NOOOOO

@intorainbowzOG

3 жыл бұрын

Sobbbbb

@hikariru_Art

3 жыл бұрын

:'( noooooooOOOOOOO

@icypopsicle9082

3 жыл бұрын

Too soon!

@biancalauren4981

3 жыл бұрын

😭😭😭

"Say no to wot? She didn't ask you anything!"

@dbzcupcake

4 жыл бұрын

naw she commanded 😎 Lolol 🤣

@anniewigi

4 жыл бұрын

Lauren Rogers THANK YOU 😂

@MommyOfZoeAndLiam

4 жыл бұрын

Lauren Rogers Right cause as she was leading him to a bed it didn't occur to him to say, "Well I must be going now."

@Leto2ndAtreides

4 жыл бұрын

@@MommyOfZoeAndLiam But she was so helpless and emotionally vulnerable. How could he not stay to "comfort" her?

@Leto2ndAtreides

4 жыл бұрын

Just a continuous stream of money, to be paid for with that traditional form of value that usually leaves men poorer than when they came in :P

how come nobody's pointed out that the best joke in this stand up is: "So when I said I've seen Hamilton... I've seen HALF of Hamilton."

@mycatalrhythm

4 жыл бұрын

@@agostinamaidana6720 her only seeing "half" of Hamilton implies that she was thrown out in the middle of the show because of her antics

@artemis_mave3512

4 жыл бұрын

Eugenia Leonetta Oh I thought it meant something entirely different 👁👄👁

@wendystewart9450

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. that was the one that made me laugh out loud.

@Icarusinhischariot

3 жыл бұрын

@@mycatalrhythm would've thrown her out to. If she's acting like *This* in a show where families are trying to watch this in peace. Yeah would've thrown her out to.

@ElssiePlum

3 жыл бұрын

@@Icarusinhischariot psst... sometimes stand up comedians exaggerate or imagine encounters for *•~°comedic affect°~•*

i think its so funny that when she first sings, the audience is like “should we clap? im not sure!” haha

Idk I might pay money to see her do Hamilton as a one woman show.

@sevourangeal4865

3 жыл бұрын

That'd be interesting.

@RoseE363

3 жыл бұрын

I would watch that!

@austenhead5303

3 жыл бұрын

WITH outraged commentary, pls.

@sevourangeal4865

3 жыл бұрын

@@austenhead5303 Yeah, she has to make her own commentary or it won't be as fun to watch.

@oli_kate

3 жыл бұрын

I definitely would lol

Lin, portraying Alexander: “Lord show me how to say no to this!” Katherine: “SAY NO TO WHAT?!” Lin: * Rips off wig * EXACTLY GUUURLL

@t.h.1492

4 жыл бұрын

Hyped Apple - Lin actually grew his hair out, so in my mind it looked like: *rips off hair* *screams of terror*

@melindamarcks7924

4 жыл бұрын

Oml yes

@decentgrocerybag4003

4 жыл бұрын

T. H. Oh I know that. He had a wig ready though and I think he even used it during the Puerto Rico run

@t.h.1492

4 жыл бұрын

Hyped Apple - ah, I see, that definitely makes more sense then

@dudamendesmili1071

4 жыл бұрын

Do people actually believe the original story was a musical? Cause Lin literally wrote it himself

Petition for Katherine to do a one-woman version of Hamilton

@LilySaintSin

4 жыл бұрын

Fuck no, That'd be dreadful.

@hobiwankenobi.666

4 жыл бұрын

yes please. she can also do a commentary on every part of the story and roast every shitty decision he makes.

@chrissiek8706

4 жыл бұрын

Well, half of it 😅

@arkosphangirl7717

4 жыл бұрын

Instead of the ensemble singing no in the background of say no to this it’d just be her chanting “Put your fucking dick away!”

@MCAndyT

4 жыл бұрын

+

Let's all appreciate her singing voice

@m3rrys0ngstr3ss

3 жыл бұрын

I KNOW! I heard her crooning that line and thought, "HELL YES"!

@heyimjames5566

3 жыл бұрын

Yess!!! she's definitely gonna be a good musical/voice actor if she wants to pursue it.

Really the true genius in this piece is that she gets the audience to agree that you *obviously* should not have sex with a vulnerable person under any circumstance, then sets up a story where the woman is obviously extremely vulnerable in many ways and watch how many people go "bUt hE sAiD sHe wAnTed iT"

@Chris_W

3 жыл бұрын

So i agree that sleeping with her was a moral failure, not only because he was untrue to his wife but because he took advantage of a vunerable woman. My only issue is that a lot of the jokes hang on the false premise that "you can't say no to a question that wasn't asked", which isn't true if she lead him to her bedroom and spread her legs when he was about to go. What Hamilton did is still wrong, but that's the point of the song. The point of this stand up seems to be making jokes that only work if you omit just the right lyrics of the show xD and I mean she does seem to remember em pretty well! So I agree with the message, but the delivery to me is not very effective. That's all I'd argue for, personally. And when you misrepresent material like that it can sometimes weaken that message. EDIT: I do not want to claim that just because history says she came on to him, that that is what actually happened IRL. Socialy women were a lot more likely to be shamed for adultery and the situation could absolutely have been different. This commentary is just based on how the show represents what went down.

@justmydeals

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris_W And the point of the lyric is that Hamilton is telling his version of the story. There is no reality behind the lyric, and no biography that quotes Hamilton as saying anything of the kind.

@sgrigson

3 жыл бұрын

It is, in fact, almost verbatim from the Reynolds Pamphlet, in contradiction to your claim Hamilton never said anything of the kind: "Some time in the summer of the year 1791 a woman called at my house in the city of Philadelphia and asked to speak with me in private. I attended her into a room apart from the family. With a seeming air of affliction she informed that she was a daughter of a Mr. Lewis, sister to a Mr. G. Livingston of the State of New-York, and wife to a Mr. Reynolds whose father was in the Commissary Department during the war with Great Britain, that her husband, who for a long time had treated her very cruelly, had lately left her, to live with another woman, and in so destitute a condition, that though desirous of returning to her friends she had not the means-that knowing I was a citizen of New-York, she had taken the liberty to apply to my humanity for assistance. "I replied, that her situation was a very interesting one-that I was disposed to afford her assistance to convey her to her friends, but this at the moment not being convenient to me (which was the fact) I must request the place of her residence, to which I should bring or send a small supply of money. She told me the street and the number of the house where she lodged. In the evening I put a bank-bill in my pocket and went to the house. I inquired for Mrs. Reynolds and was shewn up stairs, at the head of which she met me and conducted me into a bed room. I took the bill out of my pocket and gave it to her. Some conversation ensued from which it was quickly apparent that other than pecuniary consolation would be acceptable. "After this, I had frequent meetings with her, most of them at my own house; Mrs. Hamilton with her children being absent on a visit to her father."

@sgrigson

3 жыл бұрын

It continues: "The intercourse with Mrs. Reynolds, in the mean time, continued; and, though various reflections, (in which a further knowledge of Reynolds’ character and the suspicion of some concert between the husband and wife bore a part) induced me to wish a cessation of it; yet her conduct, made it extremely difficult to disentangle myself. All the appearances of violent attachment, and of agonizing distress at the idea of a relinquishment, were played off with a most imposing art. This, though it did not make me entirely the dupe of the plot, yet kept me in a state of irresolution. My sensibility, perhaps my vanity, admitted the possibility of a real fondness; and led me to adopt the plan of a gradual discontinuance rather than of a sudden interruption, as least calculated to give pain, if a real partiality existed. "Mrs. Reynolds, on the other hand, employed every effort to keep up my attention and visits. Her pen was freely employed, and her letters were filled with those tender and pathetic effusions which would have been natural to a woman truly fond and neglected. "One day, I received a letter from her, which is in the appendix (No. I. b) intimating a discovery by her husband. It was matter of doubt with me whether there had been really a discovery by accident, or whether the time for the catastrophe of the plot was arrived."

@justmydeals

3 жыл бұрын

Digirati She led him into a bedroom. Where does it say that she let her legs spread and said, “stay”? He says that other than pecuniary consolation was acceptable. So who broached the subject first. We don’t know. So she was willing, that doesn’t mean she asked him to stay. Remover, she’s young, poor and in trouble. She might have done anything for help. And then I’ll say again - This woman is a comedian. The entire bit is a joke... so none of this matters in the slightest.

Ah, yes, Say No To This Or as I like to call it...... "Hamilton ignores the entire ensemble screaming behind him LITERALLY TELLING HIM THE RIGHT THING TO DO....and he ignores them all"

@nicoleneesterhuyse7090

4 жыл бұрын

I love the ensemble bc it's voicing what everyone in the audience is thinking at the moment. It's almost also like every cast member themselves are saying it from the hart like "Say no you idiot!!! And there he goes again."

@hannahleigh8919

4 жыл бұрын

I love the musical but I skip this song every time. I just hate it because it's the start of the downhill portion of his life.

@emibphotography1149

4 жыл бұрын

Literally Everyone: HAMILTON NO. Hamilton: HAMILTON YES.

@ilovepiedoyou2

4 жыл бұрын

literally i remember the first time i ever listened to say no to this, i literally shouted “NO!” at the same time the ensemble did

@nmtltlz

4 жыл бұрын

Respect your profile pic

I just noticed that maria literally sang "my husband's doing me wrong, *cheating* me, mistreating me..." and then hamilton goes and does exactly the same to HIS wife by cheating on her

@darkenmidnight5153

3 жыл бұрын

letsHugElefanten I honestly thought that cheating me meant that he wasn’t doing what he was meant(aka supporting her)

@zylawhite5211

3 жыл бұрын

- that one person - it’s there too she forgot to put it goes before “cheatin me”

@ellahalvorsen9918

3 жыл бұрын

- that one person - I think it goes, “my husband’s doing me wrong, beating me, cheating me, mistreating me, suddenly he’s up and goooone.”

@MissCaraMint

3 жыл бұрын

I think cheating as in cheating her of money and support.

@elfie6252

3 жыл бұрын

- that one person - he was doing that too

I love this bc Lin Manuel-Miranda also acknowledges that Hamilton was a huge asshole so he'd be like "You right tho"

@budle89

3 жыл бұрын

Who is this Lin everyone talks about in the comment. I came here for Katherine Ryan and have not watched the musical/play (?) and not familiar with anything about US history.

@khanhkhanh8496

3 жыл бұрын

@@budle89 Lin-Manuel Miranda is the creator of "Hamilton" and he also plays "Alexander Hamilton" in the play

@budle89

3 жыл бұрын

@@khanhkhanh8496 thanks

Just imagine Lin was in the audience of her show and just stands up and says.”That’s true!”

@PkmnMstr10

4 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment.

@Rbills02

3 жыл бұрын

I get that reference.

@graceyl.195

3 жыл бұрын

1780 a winters ball-

@Rbills02

3 жыл бұрын

Gracey L. And yet they were having a “revel with some rebels on a hot night”.

@Dva04

3 жыл бұрын

martha washington named her feral tom cat after him.

Is no one gonna comment how good of a singer she is? Daaaamn Katherine!!

@JGirDesu

4 жыл бұрын

RIGHT?!?!? I wish she kept singing throughout the standup. It was like candy for my ears Lol

@moara4144

4 жыл бұрын

🎵Put yo fucking dick away🎵

@CynicalMournings

4 жыл бұрын

... because it isn't great? It's passable .. it would be good for karaoke with friends ...

@dark3rthanshadows

4 жыл бұрын

she's not and i wn't lie i cringed a little

@eyleen9056

4 жыл бұрын

It's more like, average. She's good, yeah, but nothing I wanted to hear on the radio.

I went to see Hamilton the other day and had to force myself to sit quietly during that bit. A brief assessment of the room told me that there wouldn’t be many fellow Katherine Ryan fans there (or at least fellow Katherine Ryan fans who would join me in a chant of “Put you fucking dick away!”)

ppl in this comment section be like "watch me unironically defend preying on vulnerable women because i don't understand that a stand-up comedy skit about my fav musical isn't a personal attack on lin manuel miranda"

@yenneferofvengerberg

3 жыл бұрын

Hamilton is a good musical to watch, but people are delusional if they think that Hamilton is supposed to be an actual good guy. Even Lin said that that wasn't the intention. Several times during the play it was made obvious that he was arrogant and thought too highly of himself.

@yenneferofvengerberg

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtan2004 yep! I adore that about this play 😁

@spaceylacey83

3 жыл бұрын

No one is defending that. He was a shit person who did a shit thing upon her insistence. Under threat from her husband, sure, but Hamilton didn't know any of that and he certainly wouldn't have understood the psychological reasons to turn down this apparently consenting adult woman because we are only just now beginning to talk about this issue hundreds of years later. This joke only gets laughs because she misrepresents the scene. When you lay it out the way Lin did, it's not funny for modern audiences because Hamilton is doing exactly what you say and that's fucked up. I don't know how to turn that into a joke but lying about the scene just turns people away from her point. Which sucks because it's actually a really important point that shouldn't be presented in a way where even people who agree with her are inclined to argue.

@selty

3 жыл бұрын

@@yenneferofvengerberg did people think he was the good guy?! Burr was the guy I was rooting for and Hamilton's poor wife (or the sister in law omfg) its clear Hamilton is very egotistical at the expense of others who care for him

@yenneferofvengerberg

3 жыл бұрын

@@selty you'd bd surprised

She did actually ask him to "Stay?" in the song - But I concur - she was extremely vulnerable and a child and a victim of sexual abuse and probably thought the only way to "repay" him was sex - he should have said no

@eimearkeaveney1192

4 жыл бұрын

Maria Reynolds was not a child- she was 23 at the time of the affair.

@dbzcupcake

4 жыл бұрын

she was already married and 23 at the time of their affair

@faithreinbold5282

4 жыл бұрын

yes, but she still could have felt that she owed it to him and its still sleazy of him to cheat with anyone much less a vulnerable victim of abuse and unfair laws. that's what made him such a dynamic character, he had many flaws and many accomplishments.

@Karma1O1

4 жыл бұрын

He could have said no, just like she could have approached him in a different way. I mean if we are just going off what she's saying.

@annabel4313

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, she asked him to “stay?” in HIS telling of the story so that might be something we’re meant to consider

The chorus is telling him how to say 'no" during the entire song.

@hunter-vd7db

4 жыл бұрын

Literally everyone is screaming “no” at him

@foreveralone2152

4 жыл бұрын

that’s my favorite part because it feels like the audience is literally screaming at Hamilton

@purplecatloverrandompizza

4 жыл бұрын

The chorus is all of us

@sydneyfreeman-coker1179

4 жыл бұрын

Haha 😂 thank you for pointing this out

@mphokuhle9748

3 жыл бұрын

yah like can he listen

Fun fact when Maria says “my husband doing me wrong beating me cheating” she was telling the truth James was adusive to Maria and made her sleep with him or he hurt her child

@danielmorgan1108

3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense... instead of confronting Hamilton like a normal person he said, “lol. I don’t fuckin care, but you’re gonna pay me anyway.

@Dva04

3 жыл бұрын

i knew he was using her because he didn’t care about the wife at all when he wrote hamilton only about the money

@conancat

3 жыл бұрын

the husband pimped her out. how is this isn't abuse?

@onewayticket2148

3 жыл бұрын

@@conancat it is totally is abuse.

@Sianne-sj2mx

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah she slept with Hamilton cause her husband threatened to kill her child if she didn’t, so he could get money from him.

“Her BoDY is not SaYiNg that to YOUuuu” 😂

Is no one else gonna talk about how professional those actors would have to be to ignore her. (I know she didn't actually do it ;-;)

@h2ogurl1234

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like she didn't actually do that

@lul_nisrina

4 жыл бұрын

She mentioned she didn't actually do it lol

@MichaelDG2023

4 жыл бұрын

I think comedy will become much more enjoyable if you are less literal in your reception of it.

@galaxiegoddess

4 жыл бұрын

Its actually kinda rude but I doubt she actually did it 😂

@lul_nisrina

4 жыл бұрын

@Pearl Carayo Herrera-Lim at 3:08, if I didn't misunderstand that hhh

That's the point of the song! It's 100% from Hamilton's POV they even say 'I'll let him tell it'. He starts the song with how he's a "bastard orphan...in need of a break" being all "oh poor me, pity me audience, this wasn't my fault". The musical is undermining his narrative by having the whole chorus scream "No" at him through the whole number. The character is saying it wasn't his fault, but the musical is saying its fucked up, what he's doing is wrong, and she's the real victim along with Eliza. The women are being used and screwed over by the men, that the point of the song! You are def supposed to not side with him, he's portraying the situation like a letter to penthouse, not as it actually is.

@eowyn1964

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks R 85. I've only seen the show once. Good point about the "Greek chorus" commenting on Hamilton's actions. But they did dress Maria in red, so you think of her as the seducer, not the victim.

@Kiki-cs8xv

4 жыл бұрын

R 85, I'm so glad somebody else is willing to point this out! The show definitely isn't written to give Hamilton a pass for this behavior, even though he's the one telling this bit of the story.

@AJ-os1pq

4 жыл бұрын

This describes it perfectly. Thank you.

@camarvan

4 жыл бұрын

@Ella Soloveichik Lmao what? He still made the choice to cheat on his wife. All she did was offer, he chose to come back time and time again. And Mariah didn't have a choice, she and her daughter were being threatened by James. She's literally the biggest victim here. Hamilton and James are the "villains" here

@camarvan

4 жыл бұрын

​@Ella Soloveichik Ok in real life she was threatened into it, so no its not a matter of interpretation. As for the musical, manipulation has nothing to do with it. Alexander is a functioning adult male and could have left anytime. He stayed once and then returned and returned to her for months. Mariah only offered to have sex with him, he's the one who kept it going. He was not a victim of Mariah. James blackmailed him yes but that was not Mariah's fault.

all y'all saying she did ask for it in the comments quoting the lyrics: say no to this is all from ALEXANDER'S PERSPECTIVE. we don't KNOW if she actually said any of what he implied she said, cause the audience is seeing it through his eyes. Burr literally says "I'll let him tell it" right before Hamilton starts rapping his peace and skewing the story to paint himself as a victim of blackmail while he willingly cheated on his wife. regardless if Mariah was meaning to lead him right into her abusive husband's hands or not.

@twox5339

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, i think it was more like her husband found out and he decided to blackmail hamilton. and i think her husband pushed her to continue this affair or she was desperately in need of comfort because, from what i read, there would be times where hamilton would not respond to her letters and she would send more letters to him asking what she did wrong and how she could fix it. i honestly think he was pretty dumb with his choices, and he probably felt bad for her, but he literally could have done anything but screw her because the reynolds pamphlet came out and ruined her life even more. and he really destroyed that girls life. then we have to discuss that hamilton did willingly cheat on his wife, then only revealed the affair under the pressure of t jefferson and j monroe (it wasn't madison that was involved when i looked it up). and then he went and published a book on his affair instead of just telling his wife like someone who made that mistake and actually cared about his wife's feelings would have done.

@maxaustin3377

3 жыл бұрын

Cherry Slayy I bet if he’d told his wife when her father was still alive she might have left him or divorced him and moved back in with her father and he probably knew this. I also bet he had many affairs and only came clean about this one because there was evidence leading back to him

@MrAlienated

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxaustin3377 man thats harsh, theres no evidence he went THAT far jeez

@maxaustin3377

3 жыл бұрын

MrAlienated harsh? Lol he was known as a womaniser before he got married and he had an affair at least once so it’s not that far-fetched

@bethany7024

3 жыл бұрын

Except for the fact that Maria, under no duress and years later, told several people the story of their first night together, which closely mirrored A. Ham's version of the story. She even supposedly wrote her own pamphlet, but it was never published.

As a theatre geek, this was terrifying, but as a person, holy fuck preach.

Truthfully, when I heard the song, that's what I thought too. Even is she seduced him... that't not an exuse. And yeah, the musical can't be blamed for his error, but the person itself totally can

@Ash-yh5oy

4 жыл бұрын

The musical can be blamed. There is all sorts of irl shit that gets ignored, glossed over, or changed for adaptations, including in Hamilton.

@JGirDesu

4 жыл бұрын

And now he's on the $20 bill lol

@SJ47668

4 жыл бұрын

Hamilton is not historically accurate. And, she went there to entrap him so her husband could BLACKMAIL Hamilton. Innocent she was not.

@sillythingsme186

4 жыл бұрын

SJ47668 but she didn’t get to see that part because she was kicked out of the theater lol

@themaggattack

4 жыл бұрын

Actually, the way the musical portrayed it as though it was romantic & sexy & a little naughty, but somehow cute... yeah, the musical CAN be blamed.

This show is hilarious. She is awesome. I really don’t get why people hate on good female comedians

@MrExEssex

4 жыл бұрын

I don't hate any female comedians. There is plenty of misogyny to be found in KZread comments though. People enjoy venting their spleen anonymously. To them I say lighten up you miserable, po-faced gits.

@styleisaweapon

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrExEssex and plenty of misandry to be found in female comedians...

@dbzcupcake

4 жыл бұрын

@@styleisaweapon that's pretty true like I'm sure this one is nice but as someone that has heard the whole soundtrack she's kind of misrepresenting this part of the play. Like I won't say she's wrong to say he shouldn't have slept with Mrs. Maria Reynolds (pretty much everyone can agree to that) but in the song during her own verses she propositions him so he is given the choice to leave when she says "stay" as the lyric goes "she leads me to her bed as her legs spread and says staaay" . In short going off of the play the joke doesn't work as well as it could have. Maybe before seeing the play this would have been funnier though to give her the benefit of the doubt since that may be a biased on my part.

@alexking7523

4 жыл бұрын

John Walcott people don’t hate female comedians, people just hate shit comedy, just cause some of them are women doesn’t mean people hat female comedians. I can think some female comedians who are shit but there are plenty more Male comedians who are shit as well.

@vannalaws1692

4 жыл бұрын

Cause there's plenty of bad or raunchy female comedians. There's raunchy and bad guy ones too, and I don't watch them either.

that's why I have a love-hate relationship with that song, it sounds wrong but damn it's so catchy.

@savannahorozco2753

3 жыл бұрын

I mean it isn't encouraging sexual assault in the song, the song is meant to show Hamilton in a really shitty light, which is why all the assembly is yelling at him "no" because he is the doing the really bad.

@Dva04

3 жыл бұрын

i love the song. it shows the bad parts of hamilton.

@selene4926

3 жыл бұрын

also the way they sing it like! jasmine cephas-jones is so damn-talented

@aprilknapp9631

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and Lin Manuel Miranda chose his words carefully. Notice how he says "I don't say no to this" instead of "I can't say no to this." It's totally putting the responsibility on Hamilton and not Maria.

@HaganeNoGijutsushi

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why the song sounds wrong. It could be Hamilton putting his spin on the events of course and being an unreliable narrator - but what he does narrate is basically Maria coming on to him pretty hard, and him going along with the seduction instead of saying no.

Eliza: please spend literally ANY time with your family Hamilton: no Burr: hey please don’t hold a life long grudge against me for getting a job in politics and not wanting to argue with you Hamilton: no Maria: hey my husband is abusive Hamilton: oh sex you say? How can I say no

@bellaa6603

3 жыл бұрын

*coughs*

He sat alone in his house for like five seconds And then I’m like oh shit! My exact reaction

Where did she buy her top?! I LOVE it!! 😍😍

@jasminee1357

4 жыл бұрын

Yessssss

@holaqueasia3479

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same

@ozkey1558

4 жыл бұрын

I literally had to rewind to pay attention to what she said because all I could think about at first was that top 😂

@aaron4820

4 жыл бұрын

Female comedian makes a commentary of the power imbalance between genders, races and classes of the late 1700s America. OMG I LOVE THAT TOP.

@kui_maina

4 жыл бұрын

Its 'josephine' by gucci.

One of my favorite Katherine Ryan stand-up segments of all time. She is such an iconic boss. 🥰

If I had a nickle for every son named Phillip, I'd have 2 nickles. Which is not a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice

Fr I love Hamilton but I was real uncomfortable during this song. "But Maria seduced him and initiated the sex," yeah and she was still a completely vulnerable and powerless person depending on his "good will" for survival (at least as far as he knew).

@darcistuhlman2079

4 жыл бұрын

I have listened to the musical countless times. I have listened to Say No To This once. Every time it comes on, I yell at Hamilton, “You don’t get yourself in the position to begin with, fucko!” and skip.

@Zhiperser

4 жыл бұрын

She was pimped out by her husband so that he could make some money. She's being used by both men. :(

@ClarityDetermination

4 жыл бұрын

Hamilton was married and had many children. Women are propositioned all the time and I don't hear those sentences carry as much weight when describing that.

@dieintheattempt1

4 жыл бұрын

At the beginning of the song Burr says "I'll let him (Hamilton) explain it". So this is the story from Hamilton's point of view, the same as the Reynold's pamphlet. Of course in this scenario he is an unreliable narrator, he twists the truth to his favour, and we as an audience understand that.

@teaCupkk

4 жыл бұрын

Aww.. you girls sure get worked up about some harmless, centuries old dicking, served up as soppy musical theater.

I hope she didn't actually heckle during Hamilton though. That's the opposite of cool. It's a good point she makes but it's not the actors' fault

@lizangel45

4 жыл бұрын

Lin manuel miranda, who plays hamilton, wrote the play, so, yeah it was.

@gus8824

4 жыл бұрын

@@lizangel45 1. He doesn't in the London performances, which I think is what Ryan is referring to here. 2. Hamilton's actions aren't the writer's fault either. The way they're portrayed in the script is potentially problematic, sure, but it doesn't mean he defends them. 3. So? Yelling out like that interrupts and ruins the performance for the rest of the audience, and isn't fair on any of the cast.

@ej292

4 жыл бұрын

i do believe it was a joke

@williamsstephens

4 жыл бұрын

@@gus8824 - Jesus, people. It's a comedy routine, not True Confessions. She didn't *actually* heckle it.

@alejandrarodriguez2887

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine living in a world where comedy doesn't exist

Eliza: Come to bed Hamilton: No Eliza: You write like you're running out of time..come sleep Hamilton: No Eliza: Come with me on vacation Hamilton: No Random girl: Give me money and have sex with me Hamilton: I don't know how to say no to this... Me: Bitch whet??

@frankuvlkan

Жыл бұрын

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In the context of the play, they make it seem like Maria seduces Hamilton and kinda tricks him into bed so her husband can extort him, which is the only thing I don't like about it. Like, he totally just cheated on his wife, don't make it out to be the mistress's fault.

@MusicalGrainsofSand

3 жыл бұрын

So I think that was on purpose. Burr starts out the songs saying he will let Hamilton tell his version of events so this is supposed to be from Hamilton's viewpoint/the story he spins later in the Reynolds Pamphlet to excuse his behavior

@mai3838

3 жыл бұрын

Patricia Lasutschinkow THIS

@harrisont2004

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think it did make it out like it was her fault, there’s a lot of shaming of Hamilton in the play (all the people screaming no at him, the Reynolds Pamphlet ruining his career, Eliza being mad at him and leaving him, how the singers say her forgiveness is unimaginable, highlighting how unforgivable his actions were). However a lot of people make it out like Maria Reynolds was Hamilton’s victim, which isn’t quite how it’s portrayed in the story of the play either. Whether that’s the case in real life idk but the play Hamilton cheats on his wife in a two way consensual relationship.

@ca8824

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen the play but if a woman knows a man is in a committed relationship and still chooses to engage in act of infidelity with him, that woman is at fault as well. The woman's actions were also intentional and immoral.

@Ss15996

3 жыл бұрын

@@MusicalGrainsofSand even then he doesnt get away with it and doesnt get to be president, gets the title of first sex scandal in american political history, and eliza leaves him.

I don't think Hamilton (the musical) was actually endorsing Hamilton (the person) 's behaviour.

@kohlinoor

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think she, or anyone else, was implying that at all.

@LamesWivams

4 жыл бұрын

@@kohlinoor A lot of people in the comments are.

@raywilliams5352

4 жыл бұрын

Ehhh it did show his flaws but it was definitely pro-Hammo. It's impossible to know how accurate the historicity of the musical's portrayal of their relationship was. In the musical after she tells him of her troubles, he doesn't go straight into the "just say no to this lyrics." Hamilton: "I offered her a loan, I offered to walk her home." He gives her 30 bucks, walks her home. When they get there... Reynolds: "This one's mine sir." Hamilton: "Well I should head back home." Hamilton: "She turned red, she led me to her bed, let her legs spread, and said... Reynolds: "stay.'" Hamilton: "That's when I began to pray, Lord help me say no to this." He definitely SHOULD and COULD have said no. This woman was abandoned and abused by her husband and helpless. He betrays his wife and continues to see her even husband finds out. Then he blackmails him and basically pimps Miriah out by extorting money from Hanmo. Hamilton shouldn't be condoned for any of his behavior, but the comedian's portrayal of what happens in the musical isn't accurate. And I would be pretty pissed if I paid an astronomically shit ton of money to see a broadway musical and some other guest takes it upon themselves to ruin it for the rest of us. Tons of musicals portray immoral behavior. Is she going to scream through Rent, Wicked, and Rocky Horror?

@void_wyrm

4 жыл бұрын

@@raywilliams5352 I mean is that bad it is pro Hammo? He certainly did more good for the US, him cheating for a month is nothing compared to the good he did

@benjaminozoemena3324

4 жыл бұрын

@@raywilliams5352 wait did I miss something? When was Wicked immoral?

The Hamilton bit was my fave part of the special

I saw Katherine's special before seeing Hamilton live...... it was extremely hard not to reenact and the strangers near me thought I was crazy for laughing this whole scene.

@frankuvlkan

Жыл бұрын

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“When a child asks you no questions, what you gonna say?” Is the best line in this.

She's a breath of fresh air. And the hateful comments below pretty much prove her point.

@LilySaintSin

4 жыл бұрын

She's really not. She's just extremely cringeworthy.

@madhushrutimukherjee

4 жыл бұрын

@@LilySaintSin The fact that that this comment got 83 likes and just one hate comment from you, just proves the point. Again. XD

@LilySaintSin

4 жыл бұрын

It's not a "hate" comment. It's not just not my type of humour. Just because I happened to disagree you with you, doesn't mean I'm "hating2 on her. That type of language is for children. @@madhushrutimukherjee

@alexandergough1347

4 жыл бұрын

I hardly call defending actors and playwrights and actual historical events as hate, she should have really done her research on the subject In question before she wrote a bit in a comedy show that is tbh a poor portrayal of feminism

@toserveman9317

4 жыл бұрын

You're dopey.

Or "what happens when you take history lessons from a musical".

The bit when she started going into the singing, from start to finish, was masterfully done.

Perhaps you could all learn to enjoy comedy more if you don't take every word so literally. Of course she didn't REALLY stand up and heckle during the show. Of course the script of "Hamilton" was not exactly how she recited it. This is stand-up comedy, not documentary.

I wasnt sure how I felt about her. 10 mins into I'm gut busting I'm laughing so hard. She is genuinely funny! I loved it and her!

@annalise7320

4 жыл бұрын

But there's not even 5 mins of video mate

@haripriyar8291

4 жыл бұрын

Annalise he’s talking about her special on Netflix.

@madisonjennings849

4 жыл бұрын

I saw her live on once and I didn’t like her stuff but maybe it was an off day

i never thought about the song that way before. but she does have a point

@olivierpynoh7982

4 жыл бұрын

Well she is the one bringing him to her room, spreading her legs and saying "stay", before he sings "I don't know how to say no to this"

@imhere9034

4 жыл бұрын

She asked him to "stay" "Then she led me to her bed had her legs spread and said stay"

@corinnabevier5604

4 жыл бұрын

Olivier Pynoh yeah but it’s also a comedy routine and shouldn’t be taken too seriously, in fact it should be taken the opposite

@corinnabevier5604

4 жыл бұрын

I'm Here yeah but it’s also a comedy routine and shouldn’t be taken too seriously, in fact it should be taken the opposite

@crystall.411

4 жыл бұрын

I'm Here it doesnt make it right especially when he knew it was wrong

"Its vERy hard to imagine [america] like that right now..." lmao best part

“So when I said ‘I’ve seen Hamilton’... I’ve seen half of Hamilton.” I died. 🤣

This special was awesome, her crowd sucked.

@desmondsannicolas6119

4 жыл бұрын

Francesca Taphophilia I thought the same thing, that crowd was DOA.

@IconoclastUK

4 жыл бұрын

Or maybe like the majority of people who've seen this, they were waiting for the comedy to start. This is just a woman harping on for far too long about nothing important. Comedy? Debatable.

@agentstache135

4 жыл бұрын

IconoclastUK yeah it reminds me of this obscure show that tried to be “comedy” but was so pointless it was literally referred to as being “a show about nothing”. Like ffs they spend an entire episode focused on the main characters competing to see who go the longest without jerking it and spent another focused on trying to order soup. (It’s called _Seinfeld_ in case you want to try and find it, idk tho, like I said really obscure cause it was *so* unfunny)

@IconoclastUK

4 жыл бұрын

@@agentstache135 Seen a few episodes of Seinfeld over the years (not by choice), it wasn't really my idea of fun. I recall it being extremely bland but it rolled on relentlessly because some people must like that kinda thing. Or, nobody liked it but the network, like Netflix, had more money than sense and made it anyway.

@phillmoore1561

4 жыл бұрын

@@genericname8727 People really are stupid though, and have bad taste. Go on and hit the "Trending" button of KZread to see what I mean.

I thought it was about how she hated Hamilton the Musical, turns out she just hated the funding father, oof okay, it's safe to watch ladies and gents.

@neemibronstein303

4 жыл бұрын

Is That Barret? Great Profile Pic.

@ishaanunni1730

4 жыл бұрын

funding father is somehow a typo and also not a typo at the same time you're either very astute or you messed up. I know which one it is tho

@GlockenWhale

3 жыл бұрын

would it rly hurt you that much to see someone saying something bad about a broadway musical lol

@frankuvlkan

Жыл бұрын

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2,400 years ago, a Greek playwright wrote “Lysistrata.” It’s is about the women of Athens collectively refusing to have sex with their husbands until the Peloponnesian War ended. The war ended rather quickly.

@ASDSinfonian

3 жыл бұрын

This led me down a rabbit hole and I have to thank you for introducing me to the Lioness On a Cheese Grater

No one gon talk about that “I’m like oooooooooh sheet”

If you close your eyes and listen carefully after 3:55, you can hear Ali Wong... Same vibe. Amazing recommendation, YT!

@JBond-zf4dj

4 жыл бұрын

Hahah, you should watch British comedy shows. Katherine Ryan has been around a long time. America us just getting to know her.

@castellum8859

4 жыл бұрын

@@JBond-zf4dj I know it sounds like I'm comparing her with Ali's comedy, but I just mean the way Katherine speaks, even the voice. Anyway, i loved her. I'll definitely keep watching her.

@JBond-zf4dj

4 жыл бұрын

No, I get it, she literally is just kind of breaking out in America now, and it's awesome. Check out 8 out of 10 cats does countdown or Taskmaster!! Omg, Taskmaster is so funny. The British comedians have this amazing relationship that is so different from what we see over here. So many great panel shows. The Fix on Netflix is them trying to see if they can get some panel shows going in America, maybe?

@nicolesong6199

4 жыл бұрын

same energy, voice

@jilianndb

4 жыл бұрын

Jessica Castillo omg I thought the same thing!

Hamilton didn’t just assume straight away that she wanted him she offered her self to him and that’s when the lord show me how to say no to this part came around but that’s no excuse for cheating on my main girl Eliza

When Katherine said that Eliza was "The Jane of her time" I thought of Jane Seymour. WHERE ARE MY SIX FANS AT?!!!!!!???!

"She didn't ask anything." She asked if he would stay though...

@claradoesnothing

4 жыл бұрын

With her legs spread on her own bed.

@baeah3021

3 жыл бұрын

yeah it’s not like she just walked into the house and he was feeling the urge to sleep with her, the lines before “lord show me how to say no to this” are “she led me to her bed, let her legs spread and said ‘Stay?’” the chorus is in response to the question “Stay?” both times in the song

@Dva04

3 жыл бұрын

with her legs spread after leading him to her bed

@KB-tg7pf

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I thought. It was the woman's idea. He was still horrible to do it, but it's not the way she said it was.

@marthae2015

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah ok.... there is still a power imbalance... which means it is a line he shouldn't cross.

Every comment having a bitch about Katherine 😂 I think she’s great

How have I even lived without knowing about this brilliant and talented and beautiful an hillarious woman?! I adore her.

2:24 YOOOO THAT SOUNDED GREAT

That was great. And you know she’s listen to the HAMILTON soundtrack 1000 times because she even sang that little “whoa oh” at the end of Maria’s song. Awesome!

Oh god I hope she didnt actually yell that in a theater

@noahsmith1978

4 жыл бұрын

Victoria Caceres i know it’s just a bit but as a comedian it seems odd to make yourself a heckler in a joke. she was being the exact person who all comedians would hate to have in their crowd. a little ironic.

@rafaelaclerici5579

4 жыл бұрын

it. was. a. joke. obviously she didn't yell in a theater because SHE KNOWS how anoying and desrespectful that is

@izzierose2

4 жыл бұрын

Noah Smith she was obviously joking

@noahsmith1978

4 жыл бұрын

Izzie Rose which is why i said “i know it’s a just a bit”

During this song at the show, I was like “Nope, no, say no, walk away WALK AWAY”. That’s what happens when you don’t listen to the soundtrack or read the synopsis before the show

I want Katherine Ryan to do a whole special on American History. I love her so much.

This is my least favorite song. Because it always makes males out to be victims and helpless when it comes to female advancements. No my guy you just wanted to mess around with another woman. He was already cheating emotionally with Angelica. BUT I love Hamilton anyway and can’t wait to finally see it on D+!

@personwithamid-lifecrisis6289

3 жыл бұрын

But I really liked Maria's voice on that song. It's a good & catchy song, for me, it's actually one of my favorite songs. But the content of the lyrics ain't the best (because it literally is about cheating). The song is a bop but I'm a bit guilty for liking a song that's about cheating.

@scoutmiller8200

3 жыл бұрын

I have never seen a comment so exactly represent my own thoughts and feelings

@conancat

3 жыл бұрын

it's possible to love the art without loving the characters! now the art and the artist is another matter altogether...

@onewayticket2148

3 жыл бұрын

@@conancat fully agree.

@davidransom643

3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t really hear it that way, I always heard it in a way that made him sound like a deluded womanising dick which I don’t think the musical is shying away from at all. It definitely doesn’t paint him as a straight hero and tries to make Burr sympathetic rather than a pantomime villain. (I love it by the way)

B-b-but... Maria Reynolds spread her legs and said "Stay" Hahaha nevermind! I'll go to the one-woman of Hamilton is Katherine does want to do that

@ejwiksten3770

3 жыл бұрын

Abigail Perlas but she did. So you ruined your whole argument.

@fairy5668

3 жыл бұрын

@@ejwiksten3770 What

@christinaacosta6594

3 жыл бұрын

You're right that's exactly in the musical

@marthae2015

3 жыл бұрын

The invitation does nothing to negate that accepting it is still an abuse of a power imbalance. Yeah, yeah, different times in the 1700's- still doesn't make it right!

@bigbundle3223

3 жыл бұрын

Martha E How is it an abuse of power if she deliberately seeks it out? They had no prior relationship.

We have to watch this as soon as "Say No To This" ends during our watch of Hamilton. So brilliant!

that 'put your f****** d*** away chant is legendary tho, someone need to put it up and use it as a sign whenever there is a march against s***** assault 😌

Fun fact- she asked Lin Manuel Miranda permission time do this bit and he agreed. 😂

Seen the show in full on Netflix and she is amazing, smart, funny, beautiful❤️ Love Katherine Ryan!

Someone forgets the fact that Maria literally "let her legs spread and said staaaaaaaay"

@insertcleverwriterpennameh4644

3 жыл бұрын

Danielle Rodgers But then again, Hamilton is the one telling the story. Earlier in the song, he refers to her as a “miss,” despite her mentioning that she’s married. He repeatedly says how he couldn’t say “no,” and how the “situation’s helpless”. Throughout the song, he’s trying his best to get you on his side. Idk, that’s my take on it.

@Kintaku

3 жыл бұрын

@@insertcleverwriterpennameh4644 kind of, but the "helpless" line is actually (in my opinion) to tie the song thematically back to his wife and highlight the emotional depth of his infidelity, showing that it's more than just sex. Hence why he continues to see her after they get caught. It's also seems pretty clear that she wanted the relationship to continue. All of that said, it would be better to review a historical record than the play for factual information since it is told with Hamilton as the protagonist.

@jesusthroughmary

3 жыл бұрын

She didn't get that far in the show

@dpenlow

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently you miss some important details when you disrupt the show.

This sketch got me into loving stand up comedy 2 years ago, and it's still THE BEST comedy sketch I have seen yet. It's brilliant (and much needed) work!

Lol, she must have drifted off during this part: "She turned red, she led me to her bed Let her legs spread and said Stay"

@danielmorgan1108

3 жыл бұрын

THAT’S WHAT IM SAYING! Like I guess it’s just a joke but it just doesn’t make sense, like she was clearly trying to initiate shit before the chorus ever comes in.

@skyt3265

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel Morgan I’m with you. I like this comedian and I get that it’s just a joke! But yeah, confusing considering what comes right away next in the play

@Madeline496

3 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that the song is from Hamilton’s point of view. We can’t be sure he’s not trying to portray the situation as he wanted it to be to justify it instead of what it actually was.

@marthae2015

3 жыл бұрын

Still a power imbalance guys!! Same as you don't sleep with someone who's drunk just because they invite you - in that moment there is a power imbalance! This woman is in a powerless situation, and he is doing zilch to help and just using her. So NO an invitation does not make it ok!

@skyt3265

3 жыл бұрын

Martha E I understand. Thanks for your comment!

Having both watched Hamilton and having read the inspiring biography to get a better sense of the whole Reynolds situation, Hamilton is 100% the bad guy here. He makes friends with a 23-year-old mentally unstable (you can tell from her letters she had bad mental health issues) lady while he's 34. Mariah tells Hamilton that she's being abused by her husband and, possibly, that she fears for the life of her daughter. They flirt, then have sex. Definitely highly morally questionable on married Mr hamilton's part, but it gets worse, cause this shit wasn't just a one night stand. Hamilton, his wife and kids on a visit to his wife's father, writes to tell them not to come home yet so he can carry on his affair, which lasted for at least a year after Eliza returned. They correspond through letters, in which the obviously mentally ill and emotionally dependent Mariah describes her abuse. Hamilton, having excellent lawyer connections, could easily get Mariah divorced from her husband, but he doesn't bother. He only stops, in fact, when James Reynolds, Mariah's abusive husband, begins extorting Hamilton for money, threatening to expose him. This triggers a whole shit fest of idiocy including notable characters, future president James Monroe for example, but Hamilton eventually decides the best course of action will be to abandon Mariah to her situation then write about the affair in a famous self-expose`, damming both Mariah and his wife Eliza to unfair disgrace and half ruining his career. What a great guy.

And I quote: Ham: "And I said 'Well, I should head back home' She turned red, she led me to her bed, let her legs spread and said-" M. Reynolds: "Stay" Ham: "Hey..." M. Reynolds: "Hey" What Hamilton did was not right, and I'm not saying that it is, but to pin it on him for everything is inaccurate to the story. The "means to go on" was when: "I offered her a loan, I offered to walk her home, she said..." M. Reynolds: "You're too kind, sir." Ham: "I gave her thirty bucks that I had socked away. She lived a block away. She said..." M. Reynolds: "This one's mine, sir." Which then he says he should go back home. He does try to help her and initially doesn't engage in anything sexual with her, until tempted more. Again, I am not putting him in the right. He should have done anything more than what he initially did. However, it is unfair to put all the blame on Hamilton, and to claim Mariah Reynolds is 100% innocent Thanks for coming to my TedTalk

@tanvi7532

4 жыл бұрын

The point is same he was powerful man and she was desperate he should Hve said no and still helped her ... basically like Clinton and monica Lewinsky. Was consensual but there Is a power dynamic with a intern and president . Same goes here

@NoteBard

4 жыл бұрын

@@tanvi7532 Of course he shouldn't have done it, and maybe she was swayed by his status. My point isn't that Hamilton was in the right, it was that he wasn't the only one in the wrong

@MichaelDG2023

4 жыл бұрын

Miranda did not intend for this to be anything other than a bald and revelatory example of Alexander Hamilton’s narcissism and sexual compulsivity. It is told from Hamilton’s self pitying and morally evasive point of view, not Mariah’s and certainly not of the “general consensus” as represented by the chorus shouting “No.”

@museumgirl9

3 жыл бұрын

Uhhh...just because something is offered doesn’t make you blameless for accepting it. All he had to do was keep his dick in his pants.

@Icarusinhischariot

3 жыл бұрын

@@museumgirl9 op never said that... But go off I guess

This is hilarious! It's even more funny that people are getting mad at her jokes.

THAT MARIA REYNOLDS IMPRESSION-

"Then I said, well, I should head back home She turned red, she led me to her bed Let her legs spread and said Stay" The actual lyrics

@everythingshiny

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't excuse Hamilton's decision though, given that he was married and in a position of power while she literally had no power at all except to offer him sex in the hopes that he'd help her.

@TheImperialTeacher

4 жыл бұрын

@@everythingshiny Yes, it was scummy of Hamilton to cheat on his wife, but Reynolds was not "a child" she was 24 and perfectly capable of making her own decisions.

@brentparker7359

4 жыл бұрын

The comic claims that he's responding to a question she never asked, but she asked him to "stay." It's right after that the he begins singing, "Lord, show me how to say no to this." That's what he's responding to.

@lucy592

4 жыл бұрын

I mean if you’re a guy with a bunch of money and a woman comes to you trying to get out of a domestic abuse situation and you’re married and much older, it’s a little rapey tbh. And in the beginning she doesn’t say much so that’s what she was talking about.

@brentparker7359

4 жыл бұрын

@@lucy592 I think there was a point to be made here more along the lines of what you said. The comic skipped over it to go "LOL, men think women said things they never said," while specifically ignoring the lyric that shows that doesn't apply to this situation.

I immediately started paying attention when she mentioned Hamilton 😂

He said no to his family just 5 seconds earlier in the play. Once to his wife and to his dearest Angelica

Returning to this sketch after now actually having seen Hamilton makes it so much better.

@TheAndando

3 жыл бұрын

Totally

I love this, though it leaves out the important section of the song where he gives her money and walks her home, then she leads him to her bed, spreads her legs and says “stay”, before he doesn’t know how to say no, then she kisses him. Context is key. That said, the comedy and singing are great, and she makes excellent points.

Here’s the thing- Maria was knew about James getting money the whole time.

@mai3838

3 жыл бұрын

Actually no

@General_Maximus

3 жыл бұрын

Maria was do not knew about the getting the moneys I think, she just do be thot.

@ashunifallstevity8323

3 жыл бұрын

Yes she did

Hahaha I can't stop laughing at this one, one of the best ones I've seen from her

I’ve watched this so many times, but she just delivers this so well 😂😂

I understand that it’s comedy, and she’s telling jokes, but the lyric before he begins saying “show me how to say no to this,” is literally “She turned red, she led me to her bed, let her legs spread, and said ‘stay’ So she was literally offering him sex

@Narcil

4 жыл бұрын

Hudson Powers Right. The joke kind of doesn’t work if you remind the audience that she was basically pulling HIM into bed, not the other way around. Doesn’t excuse his behavior, but still…

@natranja6025

4 жыл бұрын

For the last. Time. The musical isn’t 100% historically accurate and even if it was, James put Maria up to it in an attempt to make money. An attempt that worked. He told Maria that he would hurt her daughter if she didn’t proposition Alexander. She did it to keep her daughter alive.

@notinuse2298

4 жыл бұрын

@@natranja6025 but we aren't talking about what happened historically but in the musical. We understand that there is a difference but it seems that some people aren't seeing it that way.

@ClarityDetermination

4 жыл бұрын

So we're discussing that because she literally put it in front of him. That is the reasoning? Women are propositioned all the time. I guess it's alright for your girlfriend or wife to say, well...he put it right in front of me - I know I'm married with children but uh, my husband should understand. I mean he pleaded with me so my husband and kids probably are fine with it. Hilarious.

@ClarityDetermination

4 жыл бұрын

@@Narcil Imo it is short-sighted because the intelligence of the entire scene is that there are undue pressures on her to seduce him and he (as well as you I guess) sees it as .... if someone is pushing themselves onto you, then even though that man is married and they know the woman is married .... It's alright to not address that. Read: if legs are open then all past life is mute.

To be fair, when Maria first came in, Alex DID just help her financially at first and he only got into bed with her AFTER she started attempting to seduce her, so

Katherine Ryan you restore my faith in humanity ❤️ THANK YOU!

the song literally says "she led me to her bed, let her legs spread and said stay" - it's only then that he says "Lord show me how to say no to this"

@bryymiller2475

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, doesn't change the context.

@seventhsteel1415

3 жыл бұрын

I think the point is that we're hearing about the whole event from Hamilton's narrow perspective. Much like Helpless/Satisfied shows two different versions of the same events from different perspectives, we can imagine a song from Maria's perspective might be completely different. The song even explicitly starts with Burr saying, "I'll let him tell it" -- the question of perspective and who gets to tell their story is a big theme of the musical.