Mccoy’s doctor becoming more serious as his first season went on, so by the end of dragonfire he’s at that perfect balance

I watched this on TV when it aired in 1987. I was 14 and I remember thinking how graphic it was back then...but it's actually quite graphic even by today's standards!

@peritoquastenberg4487

11 ай бұрын

It was edited down from a longer, even more graphic shot. It was released as an extra on the 'Dragonfire' VHS, apparently, but I've never managed to see it! EDIT: Someone posted a link in the comments :D

Bravo BBC effects. You actually did well with that one. 😄

@mathewdewsbury9456

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Agreed. Practical effects were pretty unique to make it so over the top and graphic.

For people saying the Doctor was just a stupid comedian in Season 24, watch Dragonfire.

@danieladams9950

Жыл бұрын

Sylvester was brilliant throughput Season 24.

@michaelpuglisi6767

Жыл бұрын

I’d say he’s brilliant once he’s out of his post regenerative mania, though even that’s very entertaining due to his comedic talents

@tank2045

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't it McCoy's doctor that talked a Dalek into committing suicide??? Seven was quite possibly the darkest Doctor before the War Doctor...

@dimitrius-r5sgamingchannel388

Жыл бұрын

@@tank2045 Pretty much, in Remembrance of the Daleks

@cousinmonachpsis5707

Жыл бұрын

@@tank2045 in the Books Seven is Darker than War. War just kills people (and even then he still try’s not to) seven on the other hand manipulates people in the killing themselves for the greater good. Seven is the ends justify the means kind of Doctor

Brutal how in the last frame of the “Raiders of the Lost Ark” scene you actually see a bit of Kane’s eyeball being exposed. There’s a full extended version of the melting scene online which also shows the eyeball melting into the socket. Disturbing to know this scene could have gotten a lot darker and traumatising (especially to children watching the show) if they ended up using it, though the reason it was probably cut down was because of censorship. It still is an interesting death for a character in Doctor Who of all things….

@xsm5525

Жыл бұрын

Yeah certinally would have been cut for censorship, I know they ran into similar situations with the plastic/jelly chair in Terror o.t. Autons and the entire glass dalek scene in Revelation.

3:29 DON'T LOOK, MARION! KEEP YOUR EYES SHUT!

@decimatorentertainmentstud8523

5 ай бұрын

Huh?

@contactacb

Ай бұрын

@@decimatorentertainmentstud8523 Raider's of the Lost Ark reference. The special effect used for Kane's suicide was the same used for the death of Major Toht at the hands of God's Angels at the film's climax, the main difference being that for Dr Who they omitted the layer of red wax as they couldn't get away with the same level of bloody gore as in Raiders.

@decimatorentertainmentstud8523

Ай бұрын

@@contactacb Good to know

@user-hd9nc7zp1v

Ай бұрын

3:36: Toht Face melt

I am loving the classic who clips

I heard of having an emotional meltdown but wowzers!

A BBC budget back in 1987 and it looks better than certain big budget CGI movies from today! Love this scene and story

@davidharder7024

7 ай бұрын

I know. They don’t do effects this way anymore, to the detriment of the film industry, I think. Also, this isn’t just an 80s BBC budget. It’s a BBC budget that hadn’t been adjusted for inflation in quite some time.

A very underestimated episode

@kennethraymondmoore

Жыл бұрын

Underrated, yes, I agree.

@thedoctorwho73

Жыл бұрын

@@kennethraymondmoore no no no. I said underestimated.

One of the most graphic deaths in Doctor Who history. 3:32

the Kane death scene really messed me up as a kid!! but it wasn't from this episode, no, they just randomly showed that scene as part of '30 Years inside the TARDIS' from 1993 after a fan she was talking about how frightening some scenes were in DW.

So he looked into the ark of the covenant

@user-hd9nc7zp1v

Ай бұрын

3:36: 😂😅

I just watched this recently and realized how much my teenage wardrobe was inspired by Ace 😂

@Bungle2010

11 ай бұрын

She's supposed to be 16 but in fact Sophie Aldred was in her mid 20s when she joined Dr. Who. Funnily enough I was a very similar age to the character at the time (I was 16 in 1989), but this is around the time I stopped watching......only to get into it again watching repeats on UK Gold during the '90s.

Love the Spielberg tribute at 3:36:

"I'm 16 I'm too young to be freeze dried"- Again Aldred takes one of the worst lines in the history of television and makes it not only credible but terrifying.

@michaelpuglisi6767

Жыл бұрын

It’s a bit silly but Alfred’s delivery makes it work as some gallows humor that is not helping to lighten her mood at all

@DarthAzabrush

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelpuglisi6767 Still, at least she never had an RTD or Moffat line to deal with, that would have challenged even Dame Judy's acting chops.

So how do we show we're going back in dark territory? By having the villain's face melt off!

wish we had more Mel and Ace

@thomasnieswandt8805

Жыл бұрын

Well in that case i can advice you, to listen to Big Finish. The storys are awesome and almost everyone (exapt Smith and Capaldi era actors) have repised their roles. Even Caroll Ann Ford (Susan) and William Russell (Ian) still play their parts, after 59!!! years If you are not into Audios thats totally ok. But to me they improved so much. Even Chris Ecclestone has two more series :)

@thomasstevens2746

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasnieswandt8805 I listen to big finish I mean on screen

@thomasstevens2746

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasnieswandt8805 my favorite Big finish with Mel and Ace is maker of demon's

Uh Doctor... Raiders Of The Lost Ark is on speakerphone.

@Madbika

Жыл бұрын

Yeah , I was thinking that too lol

Wicked, but I was hoping to see the full meltdown, but considering how graphic it actually is I'm not surprised it cuts away so soon

@brandonbuzz7075

Жыл бұрын

Here’s the full version kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKOetM2igNmvh6g.html

@smalltv7478

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonbuzz7075 thanks!

@peritoquastenberg4487

11 ай бұрын

@@brandonbuzz7075 Excellent, thanks!

This looks very beautiful for the times...

Isn't it amazing what REAL Special FX techs can do with a wax face mold with a dollop of latex paint, a Yorick skull with a foam rubber tongue and musculature, a bright light, and a blow dryer? Why use CG when really doing it just looks so great?

If this looks familiar, the effect for his death was also used in Raiders of the Lost Ark

Oh yes I remember this was very unsettling to watch. This probably is one of the creepiest moments from the show. Its Almost graphic to show😂.

McCoy had been known for comedy and children's TV and as the doctor he brought humor and a good deal more to the character than mere humor a darker side to the doctors ego this because he used everything from the characters past everything else was him. The Doctor after his leavers the series is still the doctor especially thanks to his impression of the Doctor up to now though some didn't really appreciated McCoys role at the beginning it is only recently thought he was a interesting version and that he gave the doctor a darker edge and deeper side to his legend as the doctor including mythology to his character backstories despite this how he left the story as the doctor wasn't just dark but very bewildering to Whovains it should have been done so differently to say a bullets from a gun isn't right it could have been so cleverly done with minimal effort to just have the doctor to regenerate no Highwood dramatically affects various ways to go?

Fantastic special effect At the time the BBC got a lot of complaints from viewers. The special effect were similar to Raiders of the lost ark at the end when Belloq and the other 2 melted and Belloqs head exploded

I was thinking that was a pretty dark ending...I actually had to look up when Raiders of the Lost Ark came out to discover that face-melting came into vogue in 1981...

Oh wow

Back when the management had the appropriate response to "concerned parents" ie: shut up its past yer bedtime.

Never watched that one. Now I have to check it out.

😊love this show

Horrific 😱😱😱😱😱😱

His outfit seems to have been made out of pretty sturdy stuff.

Talk about Bizarre.

That was good.

Can safely say this is the only episode of Who I’ve seen where a guy’s lips melt off 😂

I never saw this until watching Dr. Who on Hulu about 8 years ago. This scene reminds me of a meshing of the finally from "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and "The End of the World" episode of Christopher Eccleston's Doctor. I'm certain "RotLA" inspired this scene and the scene inspired scene in "The End of the World"

The full version is a lot closer to Raiders of the Lost Ark. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKOetM2igNmvh6g.html

You jerks chickened out of a few seconds of that disintegration, I'm sure... still good clip, a great and unique finale to the episode

Eldrad MUST Li- oh, wait....

2:17 Yet another unexpected twist.

Kane's death echoes the ones from the Raiders of the Lost Ark scene

@user-hd9nc7zp1v

Ай бұрын

3:36:

"You're entire rrrrrrace"

Ooh nasty

The full face melt: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKOetM2igNmvh6g.html

Never did get a further look at the people of Pro Ammon. Hasn't appeared in the main series or ever been used by Big Finish. Would be interesting to see a deeper story about Kane's race.

@richardgregory3684

Жыл бұрын

They are mentioned in the BBC New Adventures Novel _Night of the Humans_ (11th Doctor and Amy), because Proamon is the source of the extremely rare mineral proamonium.

@sg-zd8eb

Жыл бұрын

It’s Proamon.

Why the heck did he walk into the light???

Definitely owes a lot to Toht’s death in Raiders

@hopebgood

Жыл бұрын

Shhhhh!!!!! 😉

A bit Indiana Jones like isn´t it!?

🤣🤣Well, that's sure one way to have burnout

If people came and went from this colony, wouldn’t it have been easier for Kane to simply steal a ship with cryo facilities and return home that way? Why the 3000 years? Getting his hands on the Dragonfire wasn’t his only option.

@MrsMoores

Жыл бұрын

He needs to be constantly cooled down in his fridge otherwise he melts, he probably couldn't find one where he could actually survive in.

hi

Kane made the same mistake fellow exile Eldrad did. Both could have made the Doctor take them back to their own planet in the past, soon after they left.

@neptune04

Жыл бұрын

Might have become a fixed point by then.

@frankshailes3205

Жыл бұрын

@@neptune04 That new series nonsense. History could be changed as Pyramids of Mars showed, removing the Earth from all the years between 1911 and 1980.

@neptune04

Жыл бұрын

@@frankshailes3205 Fair point I was watching the Aztecs recently and the Hartnell doctor made the comment about not altering one line of history so could be getting mixed up.

@frankshailes3205

Жыл бұрын

@@neptune04 Yes that line has caused some consternation. By the second season, with The Time Meddler, the Hartnell stories had already made history changeable. Seems the retcon is he was earnestly trying to stop Barbara from trying, perhaps so he could not be traced by his own people ("footprints in a time where we are not meant to be").

Inspired from Raiders of the Lost Ark I'm assuming on the scene when the ark was opened up.

Hey BBC! Release 'Torchwood - Absent Friends'

@michaelpuglisi6767

Жыл бұрын

You are not going to make any headway in your goal in a KZread comments section Actually, on second thought yeah keep doing what you’re doing buddy

Dragonfire Phallus 😂 I'm guessing this is from where SG1 copped the ZPM

Was this before or after Raiders of the Lost Ark?

@michaelpuglisi6767

Жыл бұрын

This was 87 and Raiders was 81

Wow , can anyone say stargate Atlantis? 🤔 it would seem they got some ideas from this cool old Dr Who episode 😁😜

@velocichungus

Жыл бұрын

It does look like a ZPM, and the ship like Atlantis.

Bit like Raiders of the Lost Ark.

“ Who are you? Just a traveller. “ “ This is a spacecraft. The whole colony’s a spacecraft! “ “ What’s he doing? It’s scorching. “

who was the other bloke? (not Kane)

@richardgregory3684

Жыл бұрын

You mean Gllitz? Played by Tony Selby (sadly, died last year aged 83 from COVID)

@kathrynwhitby9799

Жыл бұрын

@@richardgregory3684 i thought i knew that face (Get Some In!) :)

For a second I thought the title read "Kanye's Meltdown". That've been awfully prescient, huh?

When you think about thenplot it makes no sense at all. If he was imprisoned on this planet for crims, why imprison him in a ship, why send a jailer there ... because without a ship he isnt leaving

@michaelpuglisi6767

Жыл бұрын

The people of Proamon are very committed to always leaving open avenues for a retrial?

@zarrg5611

7 ай бұрын

As is ofthen the case in Doctor Who, especelly when it comes to evil 1000 year old prisoners.

To me, this is quite a stereotypical Doctor Who stories. Planet/spacecraft, cheap effects, silly monster, screaming companion(optional). There is always one or sometimes two stereotypical stories in each of the Doctors era, for McCoy it was this and Happiness Patrol.

@eonetim

Жыл бұрын

sorry, what!? The Happiness Patrol is still exceptional even compared to the programme now, let alone then 🌈