I'll never forget the plot twist of Goku actually already using the Kaioken times ten in the manga, since you can't distinguish the color of Ki.

@aTristicionAXA

2 жыл бұрын

That was the one of the biggest oh shit moments in that saga

@sentry007

2 жыл бұрын

You mean in the frieza fight? Wasn't he using ×20?

@aTristicionAXA

2 жыл бұрын

@@sentry007 no before that when Goku couldn't keep up with Freeza a bit after he revealed his 50% then King Kai said he was already using his maximum Kaioken (at the time).

@Imimurwalls283

2 жыл бұрын

@@aTristicionAXA max kaioken = 10x

@pizzacrumbles

2 жыл бұрын

@@sentry007 he was using x10 and used x20 1 to a few times when it was viable and would do a lot of damage otherwise he used x10

Top Kaioken moment, The Kamehameha vs Galick Gun moment where Goku was at 3X Kaioken and you can see how his body reacted to the sudden power change when he turned up The Kaioken from x3 to x4.

@luckyluigi9828

2 жыл бұрын

"Don't!"

@paradoxequinox4104

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, talk about an ICONIC moment! Honestly my favorite moment during his fight with Vegeta.

@LiefEdelhal

2 жыл бұрын

"Kaiokeeeeen" "Nooooo" "Tiiiiimeess" "No no no!" "Fourrrr!!!" "NONINONO" •Blasted tf intl earth's atmosphere•

@redcell2852

2 жыл бұрын

Goku's Super Kaioken + Super Saiyan in the other World Tournament was the best in my book anyways! But that's just me!!!..."

@Kenshiro_TR

2 жыл бұрын

@@redcell2852 Super kaioken is kaioken stacked on ssj

I like the theory that the use of kaioken is what caused Goku's heart issues in the android saga, and that is why he doesn't use it anymore. Even after healing, there is no way his heart was better, until after he was ressurected of course.

@MattGarZero

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought it was Goku's eating habits that caused his heart issues.

@fav843

2 жыл бұрын

@@MattGarZero I mean he did stop using kaioken, but kept eating like a monster even when he was sick/recovering. However, if his eating habits did cause it, that's fucking funny. Imagine being able to beat Goku just by marrying him and feeding him for about 20 years just so he can die from being unhealthy.

@Dwayne_19K

2 жыл бұрын

@@MattGarZero He's a Saiyan he HAS to eat like that lol

@AstralApple

2 жыл бұрын

That theory is ingenious. Especially because Tom Cowan MD recently wrote the book "Truth About Contagion" stating that viruses and perhaps even bacterium are not actually contagious but rather they initiate a detoxification process in the diseased. That would mean Goku could not have picked up any pathogen on Yardrat but actually his poor eating habits did him in.

@AstralApple

2 жыл бұрын

@@MattGarZero I recently learned that a goal of humanity may be to learn how to be fully satiated after eating just one apple per day. I have a black belt in kung fu and study pi gu chi kung aka energy fasting so ima try it out. May take me 100 years to get my body ready doe...

Okay, but, again... SSG+Kaioken. One form grants a passive healing factor. The other damages your body through exertion. _And they're both red._ EXPLAIN

@sarcasticsuperjerk18

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit that’d…actually be pretty overpowered ngl. SSG Kaioken when?

@gerbend6946

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 yea prob never cuz there just gonna use ssjb and ui

@bigpoggers6507

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 Plus, it would be WAY more stable, since SSJB still uses a bit of rage, SSJG doesn't use any rage.

@roddcozmo137

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, Super Saiyan God is just Base form Goku using God Ki, no Super Saiyan transformation, so theoretically, Goku would just use Kaioken with God Ki combined.

@MoBallin

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigpoggers6507 Super saiyan God is just Base Goku but with God ki plus as stated from Power levels its a 20k Multiplier while SSJB is just Super Saiyan with God ki but doesnt have the Healing factor its less Stable but gives you 50k or 30k Multiplier if im correct

I still feel like kaioken had the possibility of evolution, particularly with the other human warriors. Finding a way to negate the effects of kaioken on the body could have been the creation of something new all together.

@mist12345678910

Жыл бұрын

It can be a humans version of super Saiyan

@ChrisAtheist

Жыл бұрын

Well Tien Shenlong/Shenrong I wish the kaioken doesn't have a negative effect on me Tien, Hey beerus let's fight, Tien Kaioken 1Trillion times, Tri beam Beerus=Dead

@sofiacalado8836

Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisAtheist Shenron cannot do wishes that go beyond his maker's power, and no way Kami can make someone invulnerable lmao

@ChrisAtheist

Жыл бұрын

@@sofiacalado8836 well shenron can bring people back from death Kami couldn't do it So we don't know if shenlong can't remove the negative effects of kaioken for a single person And besides that dende made shenron much more powerful We can't know if something like that can be made After all piccolo asked Sheldon to unlock his potential, and shenron gave him 2 Transformations as a bonus,.

@miniman649

Жыл бұрын

@@sofiacalado8836 honestly, that whole 'can't go beyond the maker's power' is absolute bullshit. I mean, that directly means Kami has enough power to create a whole planet, because the dragonballs can do that. Or Kami has enough power to make someone immortal, which they can do as well. Or the namekians has the power to revive everyone on earth within a few seconds.

If would be nice that Z Fighters also learn the Kaioken such as Krillin, Tien,yamach and Piccolo. Also Good Buu pretty Op with kaioken on top of that.

@sasaki999pro

2 жыл бұрын

it infuriates me that the z fighters spent time with King Kai and NONE of them learned it. further more why is NO ONE else learning to use God Ki?? or atleast trying to. because its the "Goku" show, thats why. might aswell just rename it Dragon Ball Goku. Why even bring these characters back from the dead if they're not gonna contribute to the story??

@sasaki999pro

2 жыл бұрын

@@aims2089 One Piece is a Shonen and it doesn't have a problem giving significance to its side characters.

@Big_Sierra

2 жыл бұрын

While I agree that the others need more love, their bodies couldn’t handle the kaioken. Wasn’t Goku the first person King Kai taught it to? Buu could do it

@superdbz456smashbros4

2 жыл бұрын

I'm terrified to see good buu with kioken that's broken

@IhatenaldsMcDo

2 жыл бұрын

@@superdbz456smashbros4 piccolo and Cell should've used it too but that would've broken the story lol

I belive piccolo could master it. He could probably hold anything 10x or less almost indefinitely while awake. And with his healing factor he could train and go higher faster then any other charecter and it would've let him keep up with the sayins.

@drodrig1

2 жыл бұрын

But no Z-fighter is allowed to keep up with the saiyans anymore

@_G.C

2 жыл бұрын

@@drodrig1 If they wanted to, they could give piccolo another empowering arc to help him stand out

@cyrusmuller6502

2 жыл бұрын

@@_G.C hahahahahaha it’s the goku show why would piccolo stand out?

@yourbelovedautumn

2 жыл бұрын

@@cyrusmuller6502 fr, vegeta was finally boutta kill freezer but nah goku had to do.it yet again

@f.b.i2357

2 жыл бұрын

There's only two z-fighter that can keep up and that is Mr.popo and shenron

Kaioken x20 vs Frieza was my favorite use of the technique. His most dangerous trump card, mastered and pushed to its fullest, could only keep pace with Frieza at 50% power. Back when going Super Saiyan meant something.

@SamuelChac0n

Жыл бұрын

you mean back when super saiyan didn’t exist

@eagleye2893

Жыл бұрын

@@SamuelChac0n Til It Did. In Which Case Super Saiyan Hella Ment Something.

DUDE! Kaioken was THE best power-up EVER! All those transformations really got stale over time, so having a TECHNIQUE to boost one's power is a nice change (i know Kaioken appeared before all the transformations), and the risk adds to the intensity of its use!

@jeremiahbennett3004

2 жыл бұрын

Also why UI is the best addition to super, it is a technique, a cool one at that giving it a greater presence then just "Super saiyan green" or something like that

@synister9059

Жыл бұрын

How is a power-up that physically hurts your body because said body can't withstand the power and said power might break all the bones in your body,make your muscles tense up to the point it hurts you, disrupts your ki on a high level and could even kill you the best ever?

@Lucifer_Nihilum

Жыл бұрын

@@synister9059 because it does those things. The super saiyan transformations are boring because using them has 0 risk. The first transformation can be good: SS Goku Vs Frieza, SS2 Gohan Vs Super Perfect Cell. But all subsequent fights are less interesting as a consequence. Notably in the Show I would mark that either fights start in Super Saiyan, which is the smart but boring decision, or they transform later and we know they won't lose without displaying the Transformation. Kaioken is strong, has an associated cost, and can be used by anyone.

@PosthumanHeresy

Жыл бұрын

@@synister9059 Because that's good writing. You don't write a superweapon without downsides. It's like asking why the Halo rings are awesome despite killing all life in the galaxy, or asking why the Star Forge is awesome despite warping the mind of anyone who uses it, or asking why the Doctor's TARDIS is awesome when he can't set the location and it has put him in situations where all he can do is watch in horror and fail to save anyone (The Waters of Mars for example).

@synister9059

Жыл бұрын

@@PosthumanHeresy "you don't write a superweapon without downside" only downside all SSJ forms have is stamina also they learned how to master SSJ1 without wasting any stamina I'm pretty sure they did the same with SSJ2 it's only a matter of time they do the same with SSG & SSGSS

I always thought that it should be possible to stack Kaioken on top of Mastered Super Saiyan. I mean. Goku basically made that transformation his base, no emotional turmoil, such perfect control to the point a rock could hurt him within his lowered and controlled power. But I understand why, imagine a Super Kaioken x4. Bam. Instant Super Saiyan 3 level of power. x10, or hell, x20? Imagine fighting THAT.

@MoBallin

2 жыл бұрын

Actually your doing the Math wrong to how SS2 and SS3 work is that theyre 2x Stronger to their Counter part or Past Evolution as Stated from Goku same as Super saiyan 2 in Cell games and Super saiyan 3 in Buu arc basically i have *1 Base Power and i used Super Saiyan which is a 50x Multiplier now i have 50 base power now times that with SS2 and i got 100 SS3 and i have 200 but it stops there since God ki is way waaaay stronger than Base Ki*

@MoBallin

2 жыл бұрын

But yeah he can probably stack Super Saiyan with Kaioken since he also said on Cell games that he almost forgot to turn Super saiyan off since of his Mastered control

@OverTheMoonWithYou

2 жыл бұрын

@@MoBallin but SS3 is 400 though and not 200 though..

@MoBallin

2 жыл бұрын

@@OverTheMoonWithYou I meant my Power level bro did you even follow the Simple Math equation lol

@OverTheMoonWithYou

2 жыл бұрын

@@MoBallin But how do you get 200 when ssj3 is 400x..

Absolutely I am a Kaio-ken warrior! That SANBAIKAIOOOOOKEEEEEN attack on Vegeta's face was to die for. Even in Xenoverse I love using it over supersaiyan, just because it comes at a cost.

I wish more characters use the Kaio-Ken, we could have gotten a "Rock-Lee VS Gaara" type of fight in Dragon ball with the human characters if one of them took the Kaio-ken to a limit goku didn't and it would have been perfect in the cell saga where piccolo, the androids and cell surpass by far the powers of a Super Saiyan. Imagine Tien going toe to toe against semi-perfect cell in kaio-ken? bruh that would have been epic!

@garlicamvs6235

2 жыл бұрын

Nah be more kaioken x 50 kikoho kikoho etc

@PosthumanHeresy

Жыл бұрын

I would love to see Tien come back to relevance with the Kaioken. Handwave that he can push it further by default because of his weird triclops biology and his lifetime of hermit training both making his body more durable and his mind really ready to master it, allowing him to train it up way beyond anyone else to the point of matching Goku again. Him and Piccolo both are just good characters via their disconnect from everyone else.

A in universe reason cell didn't use kioken would be that he has never used it before. And kioken takes much skill and practice. By time he also needed to take the risk he also lost his composer.

@black2785

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Cell used to the point where he explodes, would he regenerate with a zenkai boost

@kyleanderson449

2 жыл бұрын

@@black2785 not if he did it on purpose

@Agenthoneydew33

2 жыл бұрын

Cell should be able to use kaioken flawlessly he literally has gokus cells in him it would make him a natural at it. The other genes from other z fighters and villains would've helped him be able to pull the technique off easily.

@kyleanderson449

2 жыл бұрын

@@Agenthoneydew33 you did read the word practice. Goku had to use it multiple times before he could fo so in combat. Further your body needs to get used to the technique.

You know if uub used kaioken he could negate the side effects of the lesser kaioken like everything leading up to 10 but after that his majin healing could only get him so far if he didn’t master kaioken but if he did kaioken would not affect him at all Which could bring the kaioken back In the front lines since uub has no real transformation

@greenguardian5845

2 жыл бұрын

Majuub for sure can go higher than Kaioken time 20 it's a shame that Goku probably didn't teach him or took him to king kai to learn Kaioken he could've been very helpful against many foes

@Ghostofcalmaity

2 жыл бұрын

@@greenguardian5845 I’m saying even without much training he could go x20 and not blow up

@greenguardian5845

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ghostofcalmaity That's True he's far beyond Namek Saga Goku

@Ghostofcalmaity

2 жыл бұрын

@@greenguardian5845 and after he absorbs buu he gets a healing factor meaning kaioken would be even better for him since he negates one of its side effects

@greenguardian5845

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ghostofcalmaity All that Majuub has to worry about is Stamina and thankfully he has a whole lot of Stamina since he Merged with Fat Buu so he can last long enough to get the job done

Unpopular opinion: the kaioken is a powerful supporting technique Because in it self can surpass SSJ if you have a base power level of 100,000 and have more experience with it. And imagine this the ikari form(150,000PL) AND KaiokenX20 It surpasses SSJ itself

@ryanball8944

2 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, can you explain this opinion in greater detail? SSJ is a 50x multiplier, amd I don't quote understand how a 20x Kaioken could beat it

@infinityzeros3245

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanball8944kaioken Higher than 20

@reece5457

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanball8944 he said ikari form so its 10 x 20 more than super saiyan

Will always remember the clutch Kaioken x4!

Personally loved when King Kai explained that goku was already using the kaioken against frieza and it was pretty much doing nothing.

Cell with Kaioken would be downright crazy! And now I'm imagining what a Golden Cell SSB Kaioken x20 would be like... I think Cell is potentially the most broken character in all of Dragon Ball. With Piccolo's cells there's also the possibility of him being able to utilize Namekian fusion.

I never thought about cell, wow he would certainly be the best due to the zenkai and his supremely high skill level, he practically has a sharringan dude learned instant transmission after seeing it a few times, he didn't need any explanation

Well made and explanatory video, one of your best!

Currently writing an over 600,000 word fan work that starts at The Saiyan Saga. Of course, since its a fanfic I changed a few things with how it works and who uses it. The Kaio-Ken's main users in the series are Goku, Tien, Moro, and Beerus. The technique was created by Grand Kai and adopted by Beerus seeing as it was one of the only relevant techniques capable of actually drawing out more power from him as when you reach God of Destruction levels, you don't really get much stronger. Kaio-Ken is also personal, it is not red, it adapts to the colours that are well liked by the user so Goku's is red, Tien's is green, Beerus' is purple, and Moro's is grey. There are also 4 variants of Kaio-Ken of course taught by the North, South, East, and West Kai, each having their own say on how the technique is performed and what benefits they draw from it. Southern Style Kaio-Ken is regarded as the best of the three since it doesn't increase power all that much and instead focuses on sharpening the senses and is the least taxing.

@dragonballgacha

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to adapt that into a series

@kylefields3951

2 жыл бұрын

@@DullyPrimary Kaio-Ken is not a multiplier in my fan work so each style being different actually has tangibility to it and there would be a reason you would chose one over the other. Eastern Style Kaio-Ken is all about focusing on increasing speed and momentum whereas Western Style Kaio-Ken is the most stressful on the body by pulling out the most latent potential of the user and increasing their striking power and durability though you wouldn't necessary prefer to rely on Western Style to tank a hit since you'll take a lot of damage trying to not take damage. The meta would be if you would die from an attack without Western Style amping your defence in which case it would be worth it to try and defend.

@Kami____

2 жыл бұрын

Send me the link to the fanfic

@kylefields3951

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kami____ It's called Yo! Son Goku and friends! But any mention of the site or whatever gets deleted. It's why I've started referring to it as fan work or fan writing.

@kylefields3951

2 жыл бұрын

Also, I just updated the about page on my channel and put the link there. You should be able to copy and paste since I cannot post it in the comments.

In-universe, I always wondered if Goku's and Gogeta's SSJ Blue forms in DBS: Broly were partially integrated with Kaioken since the aura was more purplish and had many red flashes.

@Eli-ei3lv

2 жыл бұрын

I would think it was the god ki coming off of them but that’s a good theory to

@godspeedforce9371

2 жыл бұрын

Actully Thats another stage of ssb in the manga Its called Super saiyan god super saiyan (Kaioken blue) he doesnt really use the kaioken,but his mastered ssb form takes a red aura

@dontgoonthischannel1221

2 жыл бұрын

It probably was just the animators trying to make it look cool since literally every single time goku has used Kaioken he has said Kaioken at least one time

@bigpoggers6507

2 жыл бұрын

@@dontgoonthischannel1221 I mean, maybe he's finally gotten enough rubs from Vegeta to get enough brain cells to not scream every single thing you do

@monkegod3781

2 жыл бұрын

@@godspeedforce9371 it's called Full Power SSJB or Mastered SSJB.

Favorite kaioken moment vs Freeza and Final Bout intro music in the background. You are a goddamn role model scholar.

I went cautiously into watching this video but WOW! Brilliant analysis!

My favorite Kaioken moment (even tho it was ineffective) was the Ocean Dub Tree of Might Goku screaming “KIAOOO-KEN….. TIIIMES TEEEEEEEEENN!!!!!” With his eyes closed and everything because he knew that shit was going to hurt.

I've always thought it was weird that Goku has dropped the Kaioken from his moveset. The dude took a year to master super saiyan to a point where it no longer strained his KI. Why did he never take the time to master Kaioken for the same results? Imagine how crazy Ultra Instinct would be paired with a Kaioken boost. I also just assumed Gohan would have learned the Kaioken as well and perhaps be the one to truly master it. Gohan was always the calmer and more levelheaded fighter of the saiyan z fighters. Gawd I wish Gohan was given a proper chance.

Basically my top kaioken moments are the ones you mentioned saiyan scholar! Love the kaioken moments you mentioned!

Awesome vid as always Keep rockin

I consider mastering Kaio-Ken equal to being able to keep it stable, even more mastery is shown if he can do it for minutes. I don't think the level of the Kaio-Ken matters, since at the very start Goku would barely let it on for a few seconds if even that since the fights were much faster than they looked like in the show. He would usually turn it on and off and use it only for a small rush of attacks or a single big one. More multipliers just depends on if your body is strong enough to handle it, but that's different than the mind handling it, and while it does put a strain on the body, this strain is mostly from just the raw energy and not an inherent effect of the technique, the technique by itself is purely mental (which is the main difference with transformations like Super Saiyan, that changes the user on a physical level as well). The beam struggle with Vegeta was likely nearly instant. While in Super we have confirmation from the 1 minute per episode format that he can mantain it up for a few minutes, which is a lot in Dragon Ball fight time. If that's not mastery I dunno what is. Of course, you can say that then he still hasn't mastered it because he can keep increasing the time forever, but mastery doesn't mean reaching perfection, it just means you went up to a level where you could be considered a master of it.

@drumo2273

2 жыл бұрын

I 100% agree with you. Being able to further increase the multiplier on Kaioken doesn't mean he hasn't mastered it. Honestly I don't think the technique *has* any specific peak.

@Agenthoneydew33

2 жыл бұрын

@Masterwar15 The question you guys should be asking is how strong would someone have to be for kaioken to have no effect on the body? If the drawback from using kaioken never changes, then mastery of the technique would mean being able to use the technique at it's max in an instant giving yourself a cool down in-between.

@Whodjathink

Жыл бұрын

@@Agenthoneydew33 Honestly, never. And that's one of the reasons why it was a good technique even if OP. The drawbacks are always there but the trade-off is worth. Especially when you consider how back in early DBZ moves could have power levels several times stronger than the person's overall ki levels. Narratively and mechanically speaking Kaio-ken is a relatively great move that could've aided in the expanding the kind of nonexistent lore of dragon ball. And the reason I say never is because a 2x power boost would almost always strain their body since that's power the body doesn't have access to normally. Though the more I think on the more it sounds like kaio-ken could be used as a consistent training device (for the humans too)🤔 Imagine constantly increasing your power level because you consistently use Kaio-ken 2x to increase your bodies capability

I think Vegeta should get his own version of kaio-ken that's merged with his ultra ego in order to bring ultra ego to become perfected ultra ego, it make sense because ultra ego is about dealing damage and big damage but the only downfall is that Vegeta has to get to that point by using ultra ego, hense why giving Vegeta his own version of kaio-ken combined I think he would finally be on the tier of ultra instinct

@clovewhite7624

2 жыл бұрын

Ultra ego is above UI

@crossingstars2214

2 жыл бұрын

@@clovewhite7624 I can see how it is but I also see how it isn't above it at the same time

@liambotha2467

2 жыл бұрын

Ultra ego is the equivalent to ultra instinct. Goku never uses kaioken with any of his transformations in the manga. He fights hit using ssg and turning into blue to get the upper hand when needed. Blue drains a lot of stamina in the manga. And against merged zamasu it’s perfected ssb which is used. No kaioken addition whatsoever really so wouldn’t make sense for vegeta to use it on top of ultra ego let alone use it. He didn’t even want to use instant transmission and only did so once

@stephenmalvar1169

Жыл бұрын

This is just me, but I think Ultra Ego compliments Vegeta's Majin state (Majin Vegeta) and vice versa. If we look it up, Majin Vegeta is described as "Vegeta's dark nature is reawakened and he becomes more powerful than he was before (thanks to Babidi's magic unlocking his potential), the Manipulation Sorcery also gives him other special traits - including a seemingly unlimited stamina supply and the ability to survive and heal from injuries in an almost zombie-like way." Ultra Ego on the other hand is best described as, "Ultra Ego allows the user's overall power to increase as they take more damage and delve more into their lust for battle. This is displayed by Vegeta's deeper dive into his Saiyan instincts. Being able to endure and even enjoy the pain inflicted by enemy attacks can also allow the user to hold their ground and counterattack through openings in an attacking opponent's guard with even greater power." By combining those two, a "WHAT IF" power up can be assigned to Vegeta and his new form will be Ultra Ego Majin Vegeta. Kinda over the top name but as long as it can work, why not. Imagine Vegeta tanking massive damage thru UE but easily heals up plus endless stamina because of his Majin form. Damn. In return he can pummel back those massive damage to his opponent because of UE. Pretty unstoppable if you ask me. 😅😅😅 And one more thing, for me Majin Vegeta is the OG Ultra Ego. 😁😁😁

I was introduced to your channel by your "SSJ3 is Stronger than SSJ3" video. And since then I've been thoroughly enjoying your content. It's safe to say that I'm adding you to the list of "KZreadrs who's ads I never skip". Keep up the amazing work! Can't wait to see you hit your next milestone! Also... "What if Raditz got away with Gohan" 👀

Stay on the grind 100k is only 7k away lets reach this goal together

I still wish more characters would have learned the Kaioken. It could actually help some of them become relevant again.

I always wanted the other z fighters, especially Yamaha n piccolo to learn kaioken as their way to try n keep up w goku which would b perfect cuz it's dangerous every time and fits in cannon

My favorite moment is kaioken goku vs final form cooler in which goku kept amplifying his kaioken but wasn't enough for cooler. It was great to see it comeback, despite not being enough to beat him

Man this is the video I was waiting for

Hands down my favorite Kaioken is during the Saiyan saga when Goku for the first time uses the 3X Kaioken. Not only does this backfire later on but it also leads to an insanely cool scene with Goku going berserk with an insane one-hit attack.

My favourite use of Kaioken was of course Goku's first fight with Vegeta! It's such an iconic fight within the franchise x

@garlicamvs6235

2 жыл бұрын

Mine was with hit because it just came so left field no one expected it

Iv been waiting for this.

As you know Kioken is ALOT of OG fans fav/dope technique and as USUAL you bring the heat. Keep up the fire work

The Kaioken probably has some sort of limit to it's multipliers. For simplicity, x50 or x100 seems like a good ending point. x20 definitely isn't the cap for it. Kind of a weird number to end on. Not as weird as "KAIOKEN X SIXTYEIGHT MILLION, NINE HUNDRED SEVENTY THREE THOUSAND, FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY TWO!!" but you get my point.

@W0rldSix

2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, x50 seems like the best endpoint

@cj.59

2 жыл бұрын

@@W0rldSix agreed.

@patnewbie2177

2 жыл бұрын

"Graham Kaioken!" "Reyo Kaioken!"

@fg009letyrds8

Жыл бұрын

Nah, it definitely doesn't scale that high ones you reach a certain level of power. Manga during ToP arc literally has the confirmation that Goku can use the principles of Kaioken to Amp up SSB, but Whis and Jiren both saw that it is extremely wasteful and not worth it. Meaning the Max Kaioken boost that it can provide ISN'T worth the Risk, and as we already saw, it did nothing to Manga Jiren.

@reece5457

Жыл бұрын

I think it could be infinite but you will die in 0.0000000000000000000000000001 seconds from going into millions and billions and stuff

Kaioken piccolo was always a dream combination for me... I really wanted him to bust it out on namek

@Saiyan Scholar, Movie/Gt power levels can be another topic.. .. Especially comparing the og Db - Bojack movie power levels, to their canon counterparts.

I started and immediately stopped video at 1:05: even though the video is 9+ months old at the time of my comment: I'd like to remind everyone that "KAIOKEN" is a *TECHNIQUE* [NOT] a ●TRANSFORMATION● That is all, have a great day and enjoy the rest of the video 🥳 P.s: @Saiyan Scholar : DUDE YOUR VIDEOS ROCK, I thought my overall Dragon Ball knowledge was pretty good if i do say so myself, but you've shown me there's a lot of stuff i don't and didn't know and for that, i thank you keep up the amazing work 💪🏾🥳💯💯

I wanted piccolo to learn kaioken so bad. I believe he can go farther then goku

@-RedHood-

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think the Kaioken should've been passed on to Piccolo and after fusing with Kami, he could show that he doesn't need it against 17 but when Cell arrives, he uses Kaioken on top of the Kami fusion power up.

@sidecharacter3193

2 жыл бұрын

I’m surprise tien never learned it

@knightstudio9985

2 жыл бұрын

same Imageine rest of Z fighter learn Kaioken still be relevant be on par with Goku and Vegeta base form

Keep in mind, a technique are something where you can master, meaning just like ultra instinct (which is also a technique) it can be mastered, meaning he is technically able to completely master kaioken and practically make it so there’s no down side, imagine him mastering this technique to the limit (like he has full control over it and can maintain his multiplier without hurting his power) and him goin kaioken x 100, first of all it CAN be a thing (I’m not introducing fanmade shit into this cuz Ik what y’all are thinking) but if he can master this, that is able to be a thing, ultra instinct and his kaioken are confirmed as techniques so these techniques can be mastered by him

While all three of the moments you listed are great, my favorite moment was on Namek when they revealed he was using kaioken for a mere split second while he was attacking so that it wouldn't put undue strain on his body. He had essentially mastered the skill.

I must say, the multiplier of the Kaiô-Ken is wierd: two times is like 3 and 3 is like 4. Oh! And one more thing: why in Kaiô Sama's name did Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Yamcha and Piccolo not learn the technique?

@RickachuCXVI

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is there's no such thing as a kaioken 2x,that was a dubism, kaioken IS the 2x multiplier. It goes kaioken, kaioken 3x, 4x, etc.

@RockinAllDay

2 жыл бұрын

@@RickachuCXVI Exactly!

@xXLiLJokerXx

2 жыл бұрын

The other z warriors would probably explode due to the lack of Saiyan durability and prowess in ki manipulation. Yaumcha going kaio ken x 2 would probably cause him to pop like kirillin on namek. Speaking of krillin since he never made it to king kais planet and despite that still keeps up with the other zfighters makes him the most likely candidate to be able to handle kaioken

@Cody_L._Brock

2 жыл бұрын

The first stage of Kaio-Ken is more of an enhancement of the body than a figurative multiplier, although if it had one, I do believe it would X1.5. And then X2, then C3 and onward. Because if Kaio-Ken X2 was actually X3, then Goku shouldn’t have needed to go X3 against Vegeta or X4 during the beam struggle. People think it’s a dubism, but it’s not.

Given that the other technique King Kai taught Goku borrows energy from outside sources, I think the Kaioken TAKES outside energy & uses it to supercharge the molecules of the body. This would explain the heat, boosted speed & backlash on the user. And if taken too far, would blow him(or any mortal) to bits. Plus, with the translation "Worlds of Destruction Fist", I could see the Kaioken being a technique meant for/developed by the Gods of Destruction like Beerus! Able to wipe out entire galaxies Saitama-style! 👊😎👍

The main thing about the Kaio Ken that i figured out is that your body will never truly adjust to the higher levels, but the more that you use the technique, the more you will actually raise your base, as your body will start to adjust to those levels, which is part of the reason why it will always have drawbacks. Every time you use it, it multiplies your current base, which with constant use that will change. The technique is honestly a really good training technique, as the higher the level you can use, the faster you can grow.

Great video! I personally think that the Kaioken would work best with the Ultimate/Mystic form. Because you can unleash your full potential with minimum to no stamina or energy drain. And you can stack up Kaioken as high as possible without ever going through super saiyan transformations. This would've worked perfectly for Gohan

I always had issues with this 2x domination ect scale. It just dosnt make sense. I mean someone with a powe level of 2 vs 4 is a big difference to 2 fighters with a power level of 500,000 vs 1,000,000. The larger the power levels get the less it makes sense. At lower levels sure but at higher levels you wouldn't need as big a gap to create the same outcome as your output is massively different. I get what its trying to do, put it all in a neat tidy box which for some reason is really important to alot of the dragonball fandom. Everything has to add up neat and tidy.... but... it just dosnt make sense.

@parkouremaster

Жыл бұрын

In the early Z, you just needed like 100 units more to bodied someone, but right now characters have differences of millions, and still fight like they were equal

Loved the fire inalogogy for the Kaioken.

7:00. Where did you get this sheet

Kaiowhat?

Pretty sure when Goku does Kaioken + Blue then the Kaioken is less effective Perhaps it works a % increase instead of a flat multiplayer

@bigbobbacharcoal

Жыл бұрын

no it's a multiplier. It's harder on the body with that power

Nice video

love the new term "maximumer", ngl I'm laughing in the middle of your lecture 🤓😂

SSJ4 - that's like the ultimate form for a saiyan - i'm not finished - what? - SSJ4 KAIOKEN times 20 nerf plz too strong

@okbutwhy3555

2 жыл бұрын

super saiyan 4 limit breaker kaioken times 100 o_O

Kaioken is called "ben tun qi" in Traditional Chinese Medcine (TCM) or "running piglet chi." It means panic attack and is a great way to commit suicide by swiftly inducing hemorrhagic stroke. That's why Goku explained to Krillin should the technique backfire he could explode i.e. a brain vessel would rupture. It is a necessary technique to learn for spiritual development, but if one ever has to use it in battle then that implies one is out of their league and will require help to triumph their opponents. Hence why Goku needed help to beat Vegeta, Frieza and Jiren, and even died against Hit which speaks volumes. At least it worked against Nappa lol. The mode of action is a power flush of the blood vessels, or energy meridians, by straining the myocardium aka heart muscle. There are 20 levels of Kaioken because there are 20 energy meridians in total. It's similar to the "opening the 8 gates" technique in Naruto.

Wasnt this already published? Or was just bits taken from an older video?

Chiaotzu - Farewell, Mr. Tien. Kaioken times 1000. Using the aspect of Kaioken that destroys the user to also damage the enemy has great potential.

Technically didn’t King Kai and Goku say that the version of Kaioken amplifies all the traits he uses in a fight and like they imply that it can be used for other traits as well? So technically the Androids could learn the kaioken but instead of amplifying the traits they use in a fight by amplifying Ki they just use it to amplify their energy

Actually only cell would be able to “Master” the kaioken… but only in that his body would become infinitely stronger and thus he’d be able to use higher and higher kaioken multipliers as time passes easily

4:58 Fun fact about this one. It was before we got any information about the Super Saiyan multiplier of x50.

You listed 1/4 of all Kaioken appearances before you're 30 minute video hit 5 minutes. Hella op doe

KAIO WHAT?

@outcast_mystic

2 жыл бұрын

Abridged

@kurantechan6591

2 жыл бұрын

Kai-oh crap

@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere

2 жыл бұрын

Finally someone else makes the joke

In Xenoverse 2 Kaioken Ka me ha me ha is really Useful in Early Gameplay Also the Ultimate Skill 4x Kaioken Ka me ha me ha

Favorite Kaioken? For me it’s the “Kaioken Times 20! An All Or Nothing Kamehameha” I think that was the name of that Kai episode lol but close second is when he uses it against Pikon in the Other World Tournament. Lastly shout out to that kick to the face he gave Fused Zamasu that was fucking hype.

I used Kio-ken on top of the SSBE and it ate the hell out of my ki fast but hit like a truck.(in xenoverse 2) I wounder what would happen if it was stacked on to the SSG form?

Kaioken, super Saiyan and super Saiyan god are my favorite forms (Yeah ik kaioken isn't a form it's just used the same way so I just call it a form)

@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225

2 жыл бұрын

Ew

@Falconing89

2 жыл бұрын

@@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 Exactly

@sidecharacter3193

2 жыл бұрын

@@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 why

@reece5457

Жыл бұрын

My favourite form is super saiyan god and super super saiyan since in super the hair colour is darker yellow than in z

Let me Break Down Kaioken for our boy here: Kaioken (even though stated to not have a max) has a maximum state (Maximum Kaioken (DB Fusions)). Also Goku mastered Kaioken x20 on top of SSB in the anime (DBS). Manga (idk, even though manga version is stronger). The mastery was stated by Krillin First, next Whis, then confirmed by Toriyama. Kaioken x20 Goku was stated, by Toriyama, to be equal to SSBE Vegeta’s form. Not to mention, you’re not using the strongest Goku either, which makes this funny. Because he uses Kaioken several times, and so do the fusions Gogeta and Vegito. Gohkan can’t handle it and neither can the other fusions with Goku, besides the two stated (even though it hasn’t been truly confirmed they haven’t had experience). Goku used Kaioken x100 on Slug which almost killed him. Cooler was stated to fight Kaioken x20 Goku within the first two movies. Last one was just a beat down until overcharging Cooler’s system.

@dbrazell4

2 жыл бұрын

I've never played Fusions, but I have a question about Maximum Kaioken. Is that supposed to be Kaiokenx20 or x100 or something beyond that?

@Majuub-QuickshotNation

2 жыл бұрын

@@dbrazell4 it’s something beyond that.

@dbrazell4

2 жыл бұрын

@@Majuub-QuickshotNation thanks man..I wondered if it just meant a maxed kaioken or actually something more. Appreciate ya

@Majuub-QuickshotNation

2 жыл бұрын

@@dbrazell4 of course

@dbrazell4

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it was Toriyama who said Blue Kaioken and Blue Evolution were equal. I thought it was one of the DBS Episode writers. Also about DBS manga, it was confirmed Kaioken Blue in a V Jump guide. I don't know if that technically counts as Toriyama either. I always thought Goku was using Kaiokenx20 vs Cooler, but I didn't know it was stated. Where does that come from?

That first minute gave me a wave of flashbacks to the original Budokai game calling it the World King fist or something like that. I still call it Kay O'Ken

since ssg is a passive healing effect why dont they use it with kk or use it to heal while on the sidelines of a fight? if someone mastered ssg would it be their base form like they can with mastered ssj?

Here's something to think about: what if someone gathered the dragon balls, wished to be immortal (with perfect regen, infinite lifespan, pain immunity, etc.), and then learned the Kaio-ken? Personally, if I were in the Dragon Ball 'verse, that's what I'd do.

@paradoxequinox4104

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh, could that actually work? I mean, being immortal might not guarantee endless stamina, just meaning you can't get hurt.... buuuuut, if you can't get hurt then you couldn't feel pain... Hrmmm, thinking about that stuff hurts ma brain.

@SSB_Master_Hand

2 жыл бұрын

@@paradoxequinox4104 It's safe to assume infinite stamina comes with the immortality, no worries there.

@birb2330

2 жыл бұрын

Immortality doesn't make you immune to pain , it's best to ask for both.

@SSB_Master_Hand

2 жыл бұрын

@@birb2330 I'd like to think pain immunity and all those other benefits would come as part of the immortality package. Before I waste a wish on something I'd already get, might as well ask Shenron for the details of immortality just to confirm my thoughts.

@birb2330

2 жыл бұрын

@@SSB_Master_Hand but by logic, you don't need resistance to suffering, because you can't die of pain, but just pass out, do you go crazy , and the pain will remain.

There’s another reason why someone would need a calm and focused mind to pull off the technique. It multiplies every aspect of your stats. That includes your perception, intuition, vision, speed, power. When your body goes from being able to exert x amount of force or speed to 20x, it’s going to take quite a bit of mental fortitude to perform correctly. It would be like if you all the sudden were crushing door knobs, ripping doors and limbs off, jumping 1 mile when you meant to take one step. People say goku is stupid but his body is basically a calculus and non Newtonian physics super computer. Dude is traveling at superluminal speeds and exerting super massive black hole and Big Bang levels of energy during his fights and he’s able to stop collateral damage. And when you get into super levels of power your talking about practically infinite levels of power. So kaioken really isn’t doing multipliers anymore. It couldn’t.

Ssj blue kaioken is my favourite moment that’s were it’s shown to be a technique also the blood red sharp aura plus the fire blue aura looks amazing to me

I loved how intense Goku yelling “times ten” in the dub was against hit. The echoing made it way better

Man when the anime comes back I hope Toei keeps using SSJBKK and don't get rid of it just to strictly follow Toriyama's manga. That's one of the best ideas Super had, using the calm nature of SSJB to bring back KK. Kinda pisses me off honestly Toriyama didn't adopt that into the Manga and just with boring ass "Mastered SSJB" instead. Problem with the Mastered forms is there is nothing special about them. MSSJ in the Cell Games just looked like SSJ1, it was just stronger. MSSJB just looks like SSJB, just stronger. Having Kaioken in there adds a cool visual effect with the red aura, and Goku is putting his body and/or stamina at risk to boost his power, rather then Mastered forms that is just a power up with no visual changes and no downside. Huh, when you think about it these Mastered forms are no more then just lazy writing. Sadly we're most likely not going to see Kaioken when Moro and Granolah gets adopted to anime all because it's not in the Manga. But it would be awesome if Toei went "Well we used Kaioken in all Super's first animated run, we can't just get rid of it out of the blue half way though the show."

Well I'm a sucker for first impressions. Goku blitzing Nappa and breaking his spine is definitely my favorite. It really showed Goku and this new move meant business

Was the "Kaio-this!" in the thumbnail a reference to the TFS gag where literally nobody knows what the kaioken is and always says "Kaio-what?!"

so is it possible to get a kiaoken ultra instinct blend?

Super Kiao Ken was pretty cool to me. The idea of a brief and desperate power up awesome. Somewhat like Trans-Am from the 00 Gundam series which most likely took inspiration from Kiao Ken.

But you just remind me of my favorite Kyle Campbell bit of all time Goku vs. Cooler and as you see Goku struggling to see the terror in his face

Hello Saiyan Scholar. I always got confused when it came to Goku being an adult at Super Saiyan 4? I always wondered if given the opportunity couldn't Goku learn how to sustain Super Saiyan 4 in his kid body like he did with Super Saiyan 3 in round 2 against baby Vegeta and against the shadow dragons with timing and proper training could he is kid body adapt to honing that much power theoretically? Or do you think that was just up to the writers? I would love to hear your take on the matter if you can break it down for me? I'm sure you may have already explained this in other videos I just may have missed it and I figured I ask so I can better understand it?

Since SS4 is the controlled humanoid form of a SS oozaru, if I regain control as in a SS2 oozaru, would I attain a higher level of SS4?

Tenshinhan! I can only imagine a Kaioken powered Shin Kikoho. We all know he would do it. He would train with the technique every day and try to improve it.

@lacarthcinclair5401

2 жыл бұрын

God bless Tien, the poor bastard. Honestly, Tien with Kaioken blasting out Shin Kikohos seems like a gimmick character I'd make in a tabletop game. "Yes, I would, in fact, like to KO myself turn 1. Why? Because it's cool! And just LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS!"

I thought this video was going to be about the debate of "Is Kaioken x2 a 2x multiplier, if so how much of a boost is a base Kaioken?" But this works as well, great video as always!

Kaioken: [exists] Kaioken: I'm about to end this man's whole career

what the meaning of the kaio ken in english its means god fist or god of the world fist or what ?

I'm glad someone talks about the kaioken I always thought this was his coolest and my favorite technique and I love how some games makes it a transformation also when I play Goku I always prefer it over super sayian

Question, is ssgss kaioken x20 stronger than evolved ssgss?

@Saiyan Scholar please do why super namek is strongers than the super namek. I really enjoy your videos.

I want to know if ultra instinct is a technique or a transformation and what the implications of that could be

Kaioken in World's Strongest gotta be my favourite ever (all of them). Peter Kelamis not only pronounces it correctly but it's just....legendary

The good thing about Kaioken is that it wasnt a powerup that would overpower an enemy at first but would be capable of doing so when the ability is increased to another multiplier, such as the first Kaioken multiplier (x2) made Goku have a power of 16,000 compared to Vegeta’s 18,000, and that it took a x3 kaioken multiplier to become stronger than Vegeta, and 4 times to best the Galick Gun, with added bodily stress for using the x3 and x4 versions

10:40 where do I buy these? They look sick

Your titles are insane

Saiyan scholar can u do a vid on the concept of Goku's ssj3 recharge technique

For so long I really wanted Kaioken to come back in some shape or form and when Goku used it again in Super for SSB Kaioken x10 was awesome