I was blown away by the 85 year old gardener’s words. It brought tears to my eyes. Thank you Eric for bringing these stories to light by bringing these incredible people to a platform to speak and be heard.

The Polish 85-year old guy spoke very wise words to Lindahl. Glad that she learned from him. Weinstein also speaks the truth around 45:30 when he says "that it is not safe to have a very guilty Germany". From a neighbors perspective Germany needs to become a normal country as soon as possible. Merkel's bizarre actions in 2015 have been very harmful for all of Europe. Also if Germany continues too long with this insane guilt trip a new reaction to the other extreme is very likely.

@fruhbisspattv5259

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Roodborst Kalf. What you say is very true.

@CraigCastanet

4 жыл бұрын

very likely, and just.

Apple listener here. Out of 15 so far, this one is definitely the most groundbreaking for me. Deeply moving stuff here, thank you Eric and Julie

@DeadmanRed

4 жыл бұрын

Same here. I’m looking at all these posts asking about Sam Harris cause it got taken down for some reason and I’m like, did you not hear wtf they were just talking about?!?!? I listened to the Sam Harris one and it was good and all but this was on a different level of incredible.

@maxlieberman578

4 жыл бұрын

Let's bring David Deutsch here! :)

This was incredible, in the most generous sense of that word. Thank you.

This story is terribly beautiful, and now I'm picturing the beautiful garden in my head. Thank you for this!

Most people alive today have no notion of what the world was like in the pre-world war 2 decades or even during the war years... a world engulfed in depression, war reparations and failed politics... the rise of State Marxism in the Soviet Union and the rise of fascism in Germany, Italy and Spain... America was isolated .... rural electrification was just beginning... it was rare to attend a college... mass communications consisted of only radio and newspapers... many home had no telephone... our mechanical world was barely beyond the Ford model T and the steam locomotive. Today we have the luxury of living in a very different world than our grandparents and parents... my father joins the US army in 1939 and was stationed in Hawaii ... my mother was a young woman working at Montgomery Ward and later as a bookkeeper for a car dealership... my father’s brothers were marines in the pacific... I was born when Truman was president... I grew up in a protected suburban environment.... through the 1960’s I became a young adult... many of my classmates were scare by Vietnam, drugs and unsafe sex. Today, we live in a globalized economy, a mass communications network of podcasts, and a post 9/11/2001 endless war. Her grandparents were ordinary people in a world searching for power and dominance.

@walperstyle

4 жыл бұрын

You'd think we'd learn not to empower government. They don't have a very good track record.

@sebastianrubio928

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think people realise the type of world they live in today, understanding the past isn't much easier. I mean, check all the very bad things going on today, check all the messes going on in the Middle East, chech the polical threatement of people in china, go to South America at the moment, there's a couple of protests & revolutions going on. Now I knew about Julie's work, I had heard her before on some podcasts, I shamefully admit I have yet to go through her book. I dont' think I fully agree with everything she says and I think I'm justified in my reasoning, all because of my own background. Eric talked at one point about keeping the holocaust alive, same with slavery, I think that's important for sure, but there's more important matters today in world, which we could solve if we wanted to, just check what's going on in Yemen, as one small example. Check what's going on in Chile, if you're not familiar with it, please look into it. This is where my background comes in, I was born in Chile during the dictatorship. It may have been more towards the end, but I'm still part of that generation that was forced to leave the country because of a direct danger to my own family. Unlike either Eric or Julie, the stories from the dictatorship came to be directly from my own parents & from my own family members who are alive today. The coup was also a lot more recent and the dictatorship ended in the 90ies, but it was only towards the 2000 that the Chilean government finally admitted the deaths and the tortures, but now in 2019 the Chilean people are experiencing some kind of weird backlash from that horrible past, as people today in 2019 are being tortured and killed by their government once again. The Chilean situation is more comparable with the Soviet one, where the perpertrators of horrible acts are still openly celebrated today. There's no shame yet, even worse I get the feeling that some people are keeping old ideas alive today. I do think it's important to keep talking about these type of subjects, to teach younger generations about past mistakes humanity committed, but I think it's far more important to focus on the present, humans are committing atrocities at this same moment, solving those people is far more urgent if you ask me. I mentioned Yemen, I mentioned Chile, now go to Bangladesh: clothes are being made by the big brands, they're made cheaply in inhuman conditions. Quite the number of people know about this (if you don't I strongly suggest you look into it), yet nothing is being done about this. How many countries, how many leaders don't care about basic human rights, they commit inhuman acts against other people. History seems to be repeating itself, I hope eventually the cycle of hate & violence is broken, but I'll be frank, I don't think it's happening any time soon, but on the bright side I do think we're slowly moving towards it.

@walperstyle

4 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianrubio928 I find it strange how we have either a sense of entitlement or a sense of guilt based on events that didn't even happen in our lifetime. But ask yourself, if those jobs were not in those nations, what would be in its place? A sucky job is better than sitting around in the dirt waiting to be rescued.

@TangieTown81

4 жыл бұрын

@@walperstyle Guilt is a healthy emotion as it demonstrates there is a morality that exists to which you willingly subject yourself. Anything taken to excess is, of course, harmful but guilt is a positive sign that you understand morality. The problem, I believe, is best described by Solzhenitsyn: "It is unthinkable in the twentieth century to fail to distinguish between what constitutes an abominable atrocity that must be prosecuted and what constitutes that 'past' which 'ought not to be stirred up.' We have to condemn publicly the very idea that some people have the right to repress others. In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations. It is for this reason, and not because of the 'weakness of indoctrinational work,' that they are growing up 'indifferent.' Young people are acquiring the conviction that foul deeds are never punished on earth, that they always bring prosperity." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

@billandpech

4 жыл бұрын

Her parents were Ordinary People? Ordinary in the sense of historic barbarism, maybe. But they were not ordinary for post Enlightenment Europe. They may have begun life as ordinary people but they became monsters. Unfortunately that's something we're all capable of becoming in the wrong circumstances. I think Steven Hicks book Nietzsche and the Nazis is the best explanation of they're devolution. kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2Z3m5KlZ7zShJs.html

beautifully humanizing. Interviews like this compel me to a sense of responsibility to my ancestors to educate myself much more on the historical facts of the 19th and 20th centuries. thanks for this episode in particular, eric

Thank you Julie for sharing this journey with us. I found myself deeply moved, even to tears once, while listening. I admire your tenacity and compassion. Thanks again from Louisiana.

Being Dutch I have heard more stories about SS (and collaborator) progeny, but this level of suffering from it by a grandchild, living so far away from Europe, and going to such lengths to research the facts and visit the places and victims is extraordinary.

Thank you both of you. I'm grateful to have access to this conversation. Your ability to be able to communicate ideas that are both complex and personally affecting (without getting off track) is inspiring.

Eric, you are so great at creating a warm presence with your guests. The way you read them and adjust your approach to empathy and understanding feels like home:) No wonder it's so easy to listen to your podcasts. We are out here. Keep that going brother :) Thanks for the value.

Took me a while to get round to this one, and it turned out to be one of the best of an outstanding series of interviews. I was left with a feeling of both grief and gratitude.

4:00 Shame vs guilt When you feel guilty, you know what you've done, it's a reaction to something you think you've done wrong. But shame is something else, it's a feeling of worthlessness, and you don't necessarily know why it's there. 7:37 The "by stander" Over time You end up feeling rotten inside when you don't stand up and say, "That's wrong," or, "That's not true."

@queequeg9170

4 жыл бұрын

Pride is the source of shame. Realize you are nothing.

@BlackBoxEnte

4 жыл бұрын

True and hard to chew on as an individual

Wonderful conversation. More of this type of thing sorely needed.

The restoration analogy is profound and enlightening and so incredibly applicable. Thank you for the work you are doing Eric--I am very grateful.

This was a wonderful conversation, thank you Julie and Eric for getting a conversation on this topic. Julie is so brave for facing and opening up the Pandora's Box of her family history, I wish her all the best in continuing her healing journey.

this podcast is truly spectacular content. thank you eric!

The best interview ever. Thank you for being so bold about your quest Ms. Lindahl. It encourages others who have their own quests to pursue.

Eric, This was a very important podcast on many levels. I hope you keep curating them with special care. Cheers for The Portal!

I would venture to say that every person that has ever lived has ancestors who did evil deeds.

@Skolotoi

4 жыл бұрын

True, but you shouldn't underestimate the physiological impact that evil has on your immediate progeny. That is what this woman is dealing with.

@afterthesmash

4 жыл бұрын

1:30:00 "tendrils of evil ... lasting memories ... imprint on families over many generations" Not everyone has a ringside seat at that particular fire pit while the embers still retain that inner red glow.

@johnglenn2539

4 жыл бұрын

Ah yes. Moral equivocation. Sure my grandparents' doubtless illegal behaviour is just the same as National Socialism. Tomayto-tomato

@Skimatik_DnB

4 жыл бұрын

tinker bell great comment 🎯 I wrote the other day that darkness stands in the light .... and what I meant by that was that dark and light are intertwined 🧬 you can’t separate them but you can manage them ?. ✌️

Wow that was incredibly moving. Many thanks!

One of the best conversations I've heard in a long time. Deeply moving, it's hard to find words, perhaps there aren't words. Thank you for this.

Loved this episode. Thanks to both of you!

What a wonderful podcast , two very brave individuals who I have so much respect for ❤️ thank you Eric

Amazing podcast, amazing guest. Please keep up the good work

It is so rare to hear people thinking at this level of perception, and so needed, now more than ever! I can't begin to express my gratitude to both of you for sharing this conversation. Thank you so much, Julie and Eric.

Best Show On The Internet

I wonder how many people only follow the KZread channel and don't realize that there have already been 15 episodes published and not 10. This was a great episode, by the way. What a story Julie has.

@daniellove162

4 жыл бұрын

I m not going to binge these though that is tempting.

@andrewbaumann2661

4 жыл бұрын

There are 15? You've opened up a new world to me, sir. You are a portal!

@sebastianrubio928

4 жыл бұрын

On the dark web there's 25

@6teezkid

3 жыл бұрын

Sebastian Rubio - I don’t even know if you're joking or not. I know the "Crew" of Sam, Jordan, Bret, Eric, Pinker & more were known as the "IDW" (Intellectual Dark Web" - coined by Eric of course!!! He loves his acronyms. 😁 So, you're just joking. Right?

History is so important... We can never forget about our past... which is easier said than done... Definitely need to hear these conversations. Very enlightening!

I wanted to start off by acknowledging Julie's courageous effort here. This is the kind of truth we need. This channel is a game changer Eric. Eric I've been watching the catologue recently and I'm seriously impressed and in awe. This portal series feels like the beginning of something esoteric. The content continues, episode after episode, to convince me that you have made the right decision. All of your channel's videos have seriously impressed me. We need more from you Eric.

Wow! I am floored. This was great Eric. I am a little pissed, was not expecting...that. Thanks.

Grateful to you Julie for traveling down a road with no return. Without knowing what would happen (not finished happening) taking a step into and by doing so avoided doing nothing. Thank you Eric and Julie

So powerful Eric .Thank you

Thank you for this podcast. Very enlightening.

This is true humanity. Thank you, eric, as always

Thank you, Julie and Eric. What an amazing conversation! As the grandchild of holocaust victims, it was very emotional and healing at the same time. I have avoided traveling to or through Germany for decades but perhaps I should look into it now.

Wonderful project and interview.

True humanity and comprehension. How refreshing. Thanks.

Thank you both for sharing a powerful example of humanity. The multifaceted analogy and the painting analogy were vivid.

Thank you both. I appreciated the layers of complexity that were discussed, and I was at least as excited to conceive them, as Eric, whom asked a question or two and didn't really allow her to answer; having a run with his own interprative insight. I feel lighter having heard that some people do look that deeply into complex cultural heritage, and individual reconciliations.

Great episode

Thanks for doing such a service to us all.

Best episode so far. Maybe also because it was difficult. a true portal. thank you

Imagine what we could all learn from this beautiful woman if everyone in America today who are dealing with the memories of slavery could listen in earnest to her story.

@6teezkid

3 жыл бұрын

Jason Morrow - Americans today dealing with the memories of slavery??

@woodwork5574

3 жыл бұрын

Chi Chi Okay “memories “ not a good word.How about “history “.Are you happy now?

What a spectacular guest and conversation.

Amazing. Thanks.

Thanks, very touching! 🙏

Amazing conversation and I thank you both, but particularly Julie for bringing her story to us all via published book NOTE: How is it there is only 350 likes of 9k+ views.... but 20 dislikes :( How can 1 dislike this story, much less 20?

Wow very moving and powerful.... What more could I say. Great pod cast.

Intensely moving examination of lineal and family shame.

That was beautiful.

Wow...brilliant podcast.

Great podcast

Wow, thanks again!

This story is so heart breaking. The nature of humanity in general is at best disturbing.

Thank you

I don’t know what or how to say except THANK YOU ERIC AND JULIE. WOW

Very important story to hear and to be told, also courageous to see you share your feelings about hosting her in your house. Statistics like the amount of views do not reveal the amount of hearts that were touched. I heard a radio interview once of a man who was very proud of his dutch grandparents to be part of the resistance against nazi’s during Ww2 whereas when he went to dig deeper into his roots he found family members to be active in the slave trade and made him doubt that pride he had for his family in the first place. Acknowledging the facts and from there on moving on is the way and stories like the one in this podcast show deeper truths about our roots and what matters. Thank you both.

This maybe one of the most stunning example of shadow work that has been done publicly. This not a shower of praise more than admition of the nuclear guilt that humans are going though after a century + of total annihilation. Reach out to dr mate. He can add to this conversation and would be a "good " idea. As you where

Forgiveness is NOT something you do for the transgressor YOU do it for youself. Anger is the cup of poison you drink in the hope the other person dies....

@soulfuzz368

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Podmore I was going to say the same thing (in a far less interesting way), well put

The way Julie tells her story seems a bit curated. I don't accuse her of making up details, I just noticed that she ties pivotal realizations around specific moments in order to tell the story, something my Com101 teacher taught me to do. That type of storytelling stands out against the more conversational style most other guests use when on a podcast.

This happened to my Dads parents. They were occassionally approached by the German military and a pistol or rifle was put to my Grandfathers head in front of his family to encourage him to fight for them. Eventually the farm and everything was taken. My Dads parents were sent to a "labour" camp separated from the kids. They had no idea were they were and had to go look for the kids. Eventually they ended up in Canada with their clothes on their back penniless to rebuild a life. High middle class family agriculture based to nothing. Interesting one side of the family was connected to the brown shirts. This brings me to a single comment. A man can and has an obligation to say no if it is wrong even with a gun to his head. No exceptions.

@paulmeyer5482

4 жыл бұрын

The fucked up thing. My Dad felt if I went back they may kill you. You were challenging the ownership of the land he suggested.

WHENS THE SOURCE COMING OUT ERIC. Please tell us

Goddamn, Eric, you're doing truly revolutionary work. Thank you for this dialogue -- it may be the most important I've ever heard.

37:00 My Heart is with you. That hurt so much. Beautiful.

This group couldn't have come along at a better time

Wow just .. Wow

I got to clean out an old marine’s house when he passed away after a long fruitful life. Behind his fishing gear and trinkets from his childhood I found his war booty. Two Nazi officer bayonets with formal dress tassels. Holding them gave me the chills and the creepers but it helped spark my interest in history. Have a wonderful day y’all 🍻

Fascinating interview. Thanks Eric!

Would Holy Shit! be appropriate reaction here?

Nourishing nectar for one’s most human of needs from a woman who has worked her way from the root, through the soil, up the stalk to the petal and who will not avail herself of typical or praiseworthy platitudes…

24:33 I think I'm missing out on what she's referring to. Can someone tell me what myths and legends she's talking about? I can't think of anything like that, and I'd say that in my own experience in the western countries I'm familiar with there's an influential sect of people are all too eager to self-harm with the broken glass of history and most people don't say anything against that

@roberttubb6696

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe very old myths, lots wife, pandoras box etc?

@315WonderBoy

4 жыл бұрын

What came to my mind was the biblical "sins of the father". Perhaps she was aluding to is a subconscious avoidance of guilt by proxy?

@6teezkid

3 жыл бұрын

Tom Meakin - I'm with you. She totally lost me there. I really tried to work out what she was referring to.

Man I’m listening to this in tears. Her words express what I feel. My I found out not so long ago on a similar journey of my families past. And nearly all the men in my family were brown shirts that later became SS...... my great grandfather Faught in Stalingrad..... his brothers were in Romania and on the western front. Horrible memories. And I have no idea why I feel such connection to these people it’s almost as if it’s in my DNA. Thank you for this podcast. My family now loves Israel and are Christian zionists.

Man, this was a gut punch.

Hey! Put the Sam Harris one back up! You cant do that. You gave me an Eric-shun and then you took it away.

@myaspire5750

4 жыл бұрын

Same here, was about to watch that!

@88HaZZarD88

4 жыл бұрын

I clicked and it disappeared lol

@EsaiiTaylor

4 жыл бұрын

I watched like 5 minutes and it kept giving a network error and it's not even in my history?

@andybaldman

4 жыл бұрын

*It got sucked back into the Portal.*

@jamesnelson5704

4 жыл бұрын

Sam probally used the N word 3 times . & talked about getting this war with islam off the ground & Eric thought hed better take it down

It's definitely an interesting story, but I spend the whole time being slightly worried about a nasty pendulum swing lol

@jefferymuter4659

4 жыл бұрын

Not an unusual concern.

Julie and Eric, we share the same generation; I share the same nationalities as Julie, but less tortured, because our opa and oma were doctors from WW1 thru WW2 and beyond (including the 1918 Flu Pandemic). For what it's worth they did not buy into the ideology. Like all nations and cultures, Germans and Americans are interesting, especially when one can speak their language. People like Julie remain strangers in a strange land. Great interview, viva "meta-introspection."

wow!!

The fact that hundreds of innocent German Speaking civilians were killed in Poland and Czechoslovakia in the wakes of World War I and II,makes the situation extremely murky.

i enjoyed this episode. codependent house hold does bring shame based up bringing and low self worth, eric please have more episodes into the psychological insights of these sorts of things, thanks

Hurt people hurt People. Stop the wheel of violence of your lineage in whatever way you can and you'll have done your bit of service to humanity.

What to call the bonds? Purpose? Identity? Love? Consideration for others? Love your neighbor as yourself?

Terrifyingly beautiful. Putting myself into the head of Eric throughout this conversation. It made me tear up repeatedly, especially as we got to see her grandmother on a human level. How horrifying it is to go on living knowing that only a few bad ideas could go so far. And what bad ideas do I have, that if enacted, would cause such destruction? God have mercy on us. God, give us the mercy to forgive one another.

@carmack614

4 жыл бұрын

This really drives home a point Dr. Jordan Peterson likes to make regarding putting himself into the position of an Auschwitz guard and remembering how those were just regular people following the ideological norm of that time period in their country. We are all capable of great and terrible things; a good moral compass is of utmost importance. "Terrifyingly beautiful" is an apt description of this conversation, thank you Jeff.

Too bad there's no video! Looking forward to this discussion.

You can only change yourself...then perhaps others around you will change the way they engage with and perceive you....and so they change..change is osmosis not a stick...

This was a special kind of vulnerability. Very difficult indeed.

Riveting! It has me thinking about people whose families are equally messed up by secrets that no one talks about. They’re stuck. They can’t “do the work” because there’s no known thing to work on. Their past is a ghost that disappears the moment you think you see it.

I went to continue Sam's episode now it's gone? Anyone know why?

Anyone have a link to the painting she is referring to @9:50?

Finally another portal. Can't wait to listen.

@bannermanigans

4 жыл бұрын

If you subscribe on iTunes or Spotify you'll have these weeks or upwards of a month in advance.

@TheAbsoluteSir

4 жыл бұрын

Or stitcher

@ChemistByTrade

4 жыл бұрын

I like to watch typically not clearly this one doesn't have video.

you should simulcast release your podcast outlets and youtube. each platform has different demographics and community of people. I cant wait for the visual pods you talk about with sam harris. Also creating a clip channel might go against the idea of the portal podcast but it also does wonders for marketing your pod and might draw in some new audience to the main pods.

"The Work"

Well if u ever visit Israel I would be honored to meet you. That was BRAVE !!! Talking to julie....and Eric I guess ;)

Is that SEARS siding?

Thank you:) Healing is disappearing. This whole universe...is a cut. An injury. And it's healing

I am from Argentina, the only thing they taught me and my class at school about the Nazis was that if you were blond with light colored eyes they didn't kill but yes to the rest. Literally pointing to each one of us that fit that description, beautiful way to unite a group if you ask me.

Emotional hurdles to be overcome? A few years ago I saw a documentary in which someone had managed to bring together German and Russian survivors of the battle of Stalingrad. If those two groups can join in acknowledging their common humanity, anybody can.

What happened to episode 011 with Sam Harris? Where can I find it?

"It's questionable if the children of extremist should remain with those extremist or not?" It is questionable. The answer is they should remain. Who is defining extremism here? What kind of enforcing mechanism is implied? How is aforementioned mechanism not prone to replicating similar or worse consequences than the ones caused by an environment of extremist? Why not just address what is considered as extreme in public dialogue and educational institutions? Any mechanism with the power of taking children away from their parents should only do so when it is a health hazard. This would also entail access to information based to their developmental stage, instead of whatever bias or extremist thought the parents might have since, otherwise, it is basically a form of isolation. Amazing how quickly a borderline "holy mission", even though opposed to something most people consider morally unacceptable, can offer the seeds of future nightmares with such ease. I guess we all have metacognitive blindspots in this regard. PD: Do not burn books, please.

This is the first thing that popped into my mind when Julie started talking about her grandma: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5WslsiyhrHgf5M.html I'm deeply sorry. This was very touching and amazing, I'll see myself out.