The fact that this made me more depressed by listening just assured me of my dominant hierarchy. I want more than rules. I want more than existence.

@k_dccxiii

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like that so. But I don't want to be and I think no one wants to be like Underground Man in Dostoyevsky's Notes from Underground. So one should be more careful about it when making a such comment like that.

Dr.Professor J Peterson ,Appreciate light.so much darkness & ....We need You🙏🏼☮️

Nobody: Absolutely no one: Jordan peterson: "Despite the fact that trees are real, they are not as real as dominance hierarchies."

Does he teach Calculus as well?

6:25 Law = the codified version of a behavioral contract (a structure that describes how you should act = culture)

Recently enough there was this woman that stabbed her boyfriend (of one week) to death, unprovoked, but wasn’t jailed nor charged because she was high from pot, that she was impaired. The part about the law being a set of rules we agree to follow, when explained this way, suddenly made a lot of sense… I would always narrowly think it was JUST about “justice”. As a society we have come to an agreement about what happens when a male does anything impaired (charged for the most part) and female commits any crime impaired.

my life makes complete sense now! 😃😃😃

Yay for dominance hierarchies.

you don't need a red-light-green-light if there is no traffic system at all^^

My good, that's some Freakin prof right here

Perhaps our words, and the ideas behind them, fail to describe what is happening on earth? A psychologist is literally defending, what would be described by most as pathological. Animals are always children (mentally). This includes lobsters and most humans, because we still don't live long enough to learn. Yeah lobsters oppress to breed. Yeah lobsters and most other animals who do this, feel and express insecurity. But when humans do it, we are labelled with disorders and given medication. Haha progressing doesn't mean improving, I guess. It must mean still existing through time. "Moving forward." Like that's hard. Humanity is stuck!

@mael-strom9707

4 жыл бұрын

Psychologists build castles in the sky and psychiatrists rent them out. 🤣😆

@acer0255

4 жыл бұрын

@@mael-strom9707 Layers.

@mael-strom9707

4 жыл бұрын

@@acer0255 Layer upon layer of rainbow alcazars.

Only Jordan Peterson would say that dominance hierarchies are more real than trees 😂

JP with that tummy is a cutie, how effective his carnivore diet is dayum

Jordan is conflating natures survival strategies (dominance hierarchies) with our cognitive potential to organise into something more complex. If we took a 400 million year old pattern and considered it's imperfections (4 cubs are born but one dies in the attempt to grab a nipple), we are quite capable of securing the survival of all 4 cubs. That assumes of course that 3 out of 4 is imperfect. From another perspective that could be equally seen as a result! My point is this. Jordan is sincerely attempting to reconcile our western culture wars (Pre modern vs modern vs post modern). But because he does not fully understand post modernism (Stephen hicks is the primary contributor for Jordan's cognitive bias, according to Jordan), and in my view that is because he is overly focused on the shadow aspect of post modernity (the avoiding portions of that group in contrast to the curious/approaching portions). He is entirely missing the inherent beauty of chaos. Our cultural interpretation of chaos is something of a destruction to the order of nature that has lasted 400+ million years. Jordan, you are focusing on the supernovae and missing out on the splendour of 100's of new stars being born in it's aftermath. You are focusing on the loss of the dinosour and missing out on the plethora of mammals that preceded that clataclysm. My diagnosis is this: Jordan has not done his individual shadow work, afterall it is easier for us to avoid it than approach it, right? That's why he does not understand post modernity (and similarly why "post modernist's" don't understand it either). Hell is nothing more than the most challenging confrontation or discussion that we would prefer to be a million miles away from. A group leader yells "unite!", while a member of the group quietly admits "hang on a minute!?" That's the very nature of gang warfare, and that's the very nature that Jordan has fallen back into. It's as Carl Jung said himself, "I'm glad i'm Jung and not a Jungian"

@davidenwah3413

3 жыл бұрын

Nah. Thats just what you'd prefer him or anyone else to examine.

@alejmc

5 ай бұрын

@@davidenwah3413thank you, a good 30mins of what I was about to write on this were spared 🙏

Everyone commenting here is in their own “personal solipsism bubble “

Hierarchies also require Narcissists. > The support of people intending to game the system, but at the same time doing its dirty work.

@rrrrrrraaaa9

4 жыл бұрын

Tore Lund agreeedddd

Dominance Hierarchies simplified. Animals compete and some rise and some sink, so not all humans are equally strong, smart, rich, etc.. Duh and super duh. 'It seems that dominance hierarchies are represented by masculine symbols'. [What? What is a masculine symbol?] The dominance hierarchy and culture, they are similar, different professions have their own hierarchies. [You mean like in football the best players are at the top of the hierarchy? Uh ok.] What makes up the culture? What is a law? There is a rule, if you transgress you will be punished. [JP asks what is a law, and then he answers it. Ok, we all know what laws are, what is your point, and weren't you talking about culture and dominance hierarchies?] Most of our laws are custom so we have less aggression, why do we all go at a green light? [Seriously, anyone need an explanation of what traffic lights are for? Not me.] Traffic lights are useful. [Sure, still waiting for your point though.] The culture is the way you act. The law and culture are a pattern of behaviors that everyone shares, the ID is biology, the super ego is culture. [Let's unpack this rambling: You act in a way influenced by your culture. Duh. Laws are made to follow to protect people. Duh. In the US I share culture and laws with other people in the US. Duh. The super ego is the culture. I looked up super ego, it is basically morals you learn from your culture, so sure the super ego is the culture by definition. What does this have to do with dominance hierarchies? I have no clue.]

@renansilva5418

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think the ambient you live determines your position in the hierarchy . Or seeing things this way is just a coward way to justifies your defeatment ?

@psychcowboy1

2 жыл бұрын

@@renansilva5418 I live in an ambient? Never knew that but thanks for pointing it out.

@renansilva5418

2 жыл бұрын

@@psychcowboy1 i mean, i don't know how Mr.Peterson understand by this word but in my question i was emproying it like where you live, where you are, who you interact with, people around you, etc.. So i thought is the ambient a issue to be considered when you analyses the hirarchy position that you are holding on? Maybe your low position is due to the fact that the ambient you live in, the people you are competing with dosn't valueates your abilities. for example a master drug dealer can be considered a king in the crooked ambient he lives in, but if he lives in somewhere where people valuates goodness his hirarchy position are complete changed just by the ambient itself. So i catch myself thinking if in some cases we must really figure out how to increase our position or just change the ambient we are living in.

JP in The Relation Between Depression & Dominance Hierarchy: 'Your brain has got to be organized so that it is capable of understanding the things that are most constant about the environment, the things that are the most constant are the most real, real lasts a long time and it is evident everywhere, what are the most real things humans have to deal with, some objective realities are the most real, trees are extraordinarily real, tree are quite real, they are not as real as dominance hierarchies, there have been dominance hierarchies for 400 million years, it is a constant feature of life, that is constant across time, we can assess our dominance hierarchy position, the dominance hierarchy that you have functioning at the base of your brain, is an unbelievably potent mechanism...' [So I gather this channel The Bests is posting old JP lectures to get subscribers, fine with me, although it reinforces what an absolute loon Peterson is. A college professor telling students that trees are real? What is wrong with this picture? Heads up JP the whole world already knows that animal communities have competition to get to the top of the pile, even most 2nd graders. I am not sure why you are striving so hard to drive home this point -- we all know it already, including the ignorant Left as you call them.]

@cameronidk2

4 жыл бұрын

Your arragance is only surpassed by your ignorance of other people ..

@nornront8749

4 жыл бұрын

Look, the point is not just that trees are real or that animals compete, obviously. He is talking about our relationship with reality and he is trying to do it in an accessible manner. The point is that things can be real to different extents and that the things that characterize the "human reality" are often not strictly objects, but larger patterns or systems. It is a different notion of reality than what you might intuitively think of. For example, an apple tree is less real than trees in general (the concept of a tree), according to this view. As you should know, we humans filter only the "important bits" out of all the information our senses provide us. Such important bits might be the presence of an obstacle/a tool/an agent/a resource. These categories are highly useful and much easier for our brain to work with than any concrete object, which we need to pay attention to. That is because, as JP said, certain patterns exist almost everywhere without changing much, making it extremely useful for our brains to adapt to better work with these patterns.

@psychcowboy1

4 жыл бұрын

@@nornront8749 'our relationship with reality'? why is that useful to anyone on the planet for some wildly gesticulating guy to explain our relationship to reality, whatever that means. I know what my relationship to reality is, and I have known that since I was in kindergarten. who cares. 'extremely useful for our brains to adapt to better work with these patterns'.? it is more useful for my brain to work with a category than an object? what absolutely pointless psychobabble. I know what a category is, I know what a tree is... why anyone thinks Peterson is anything but a pointless loon absolutely befuddles me. Some patterns change and some don't? so what? JP is an embarrassment to the fields of psychology and philosophy, and the U of T where his nickname was Kermit the Fraud. he is a supermarket jesus in a nice suit.

@InsanitysApex

4 жыл бұрын

You don't get to the top of dominance hierarchies by being a jealous, resentful coward attacking those who do in fact dominate. Stop wasting our time and your potential attacking Peterson behind his back you sniveling rat of a being. Go clean your damn room and make something of yourself. Or keep being a loser and hater in the KZread comments. Your choice bucko. I'm talking to you fx boulder

@psychcowboy1

4 жыл бұрын

@Superwellful What do you mean what I gathered from it? I quoted from it. If there is anything in this lecture that could be remotely useful to anyone in any situation, please point it out to me. Here are 4 dichotomies: See if you can guess if JP is A. or B. in each: A. Only humans understand our place in time and space. B. A rat is an excellent model of a human. A. The US is not more polarized than in the past. B. The US is more polarized than in the past. The tension is palpable. A. I am a credible scientist. B. 95% of what I say is rubbish, and I don’t know if I realize that voluntarily or involuntarily. A. It would be great if Trump were at least normally incompetent and foolish. He has multiple flaws. B. Trump clearly has a very high IQ.

Here are 4 dichotomies: See if you can guess if JP is A. or B. in each: A. Only humans understand our place in time and space. B. A rat is an excellent model of a human. A. The US is not more polarized than in the past. B. The US is more polarized than in the past. The tension is palpable. A. I am a credible scientist. B. 95% of what I say is rubbish, and I don’t know if I realize that voluntarily or involuntarily. A. It would be great if Trump were at least normally incompetent and foolish. He has multiple flaws. B. Trump clearly has a very high IQ.

@ArkDesignHD

4 жыл бұрын

1) B (because of his scientific background, his work as a behavioural professor and his analogy with various animal kingdoms, see lobster) 2) A (he says in some of his videos that the distribution hasn't changed much) 3) Neither (but I personally think A, though he self admits that he has flaws) 4) Neither (he has stated that Trump has a very distinct personality trait, which doesn't mean high IQ in the crystalline form, then I believe he would also recognise that he has flaws)

@psychcowboy1

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArkDesignHD Actually all 8 comments are JP himself, contradicting himself because his brain is complete chaos. If he wasn't so absolutely pompous about his own intellect, which is largely non-existent, I wouldn't bother. Visit Jordan Peterson Genius or Charlatan on YT or FB.

@psychcowboy1

4 жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel Birthurth What was I silly about? Find anything smart of useful in this entire video and share it with me, thanks.

@davidenwah3413

3 жыл бұрын

@@psychcowboy1 his comments about the ancient mechanism of serotonin release based upon dominance hierarchies that still function today and control aspects of our lives.

@psychcowboy1

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidenwah3413 He said something smart? Neurotransmitters control our behavior? Duh