bought and read the book. Life changing!

this helps me understand my own thinking as a college student 30yrs ago but couldnt fully articulate. I knew back then fundamentally there was a problem with marxism in that it wouldnt work with human beings because of thenhuman condition. Its in a fallen state.

@-Swamp_Donkey-

3 ай бұрын

Lol, Jews

Exactly what is happening in North Korea, Yeon Mi Park talked about it and she is a living example of this.

@ProvisionalPatrioticAlliance

11 ай бұрын

What makes you think anything you've ever heard about North Korea through western media is even close to being accurate?

@skeletonfilms3650

10 ай бұрын

is this comment a joke

@Chigo-nr8jg

9 ай бұрын

How is north Korea an utopia, and how are the people living in said utopia tired of it and rebelling?

“The natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam.” The only way we get beyond this insanity and chaotic self sabotage is by denying the natural man and sacrifice our selfish desires to become more godly (loving, selfless, and just).

which movie is this from which this clip is taken?

@johngordon3805

11 ай бұрын

The Gambler 1974

@raviravishing

11 ай бұрын

@@johngordon3805 thank you

I don't get why he focuses explicitly on socialism in the first lecture. I suppose it's more germane to the time/place that the book was written in, and within the book there's direct reference to chernshevsky's ideas - so fair enough I guess, but to my mind the issues that Notes from Underground gets at are ubiquitous and speaking about them just in terms of russian society is too narrow a focus. The same problems with man's most "advantageous advantage" come about anywhere where people are expected/predicted to behave as rational actors, whether at the voting booth in a democratic society or the worker party's HQ in a communist one. I think it would've been better if JP had focused more on the idea of humans being primed to act against their own best interests (best interests being prescribed by rationality). As he mentioned, the book is super short so I'd suggest people read it, although it's been hard for me to find an english translation that reads well.

@susansmiles2630

4 сағат бұрын

He always blames liberals even 😢they are the only ones who will actually DO anything about solving these problems. I don’t understand Chomsky’s constantly ignoring all the horrific things that republicans do when they are the ones with zero compassion.

I m not a book reader but I m interested in staring the brothers, is this a good idea?

@Rk-bh4xn

9 ай бұрын

I would start with something more beginner friendly as the book you are looking into is about 800 pages and will require weeks if not months of dedication at a beginners level. I would suggest the prince by machiavelli if youre interested in readings of this quality. Also if trying to create a solid foundation to approach this reading level the prince is a great book. Do more research on it if interested!

@BeerAlejandro

9 ай бұрын

Start with "the grand inquisitor ", how mankind fears freedom and prefers other ways

@Ck2noi1

2 ай бұрын

@@Rk-bh4xnfirst book I read was the prince i do not recommended it, it’s a tough read

Look what they did to my book! - Vitorovich Corlenonski

Well, the pricing doesn't happen in vacuum as Jordan describes. Yes, there are complications, but many companies come up with their own top-down pricing instead of bottom-up estimates. Granted, we have many available products to compare with and you can say, you don't need to run social experiments from scratch, but rely on the price of a comparable product whose price is already well established.

@thomascromwell6840

10 ай бұрын

I mean we literally have an oil cartel in our world. The largest poultry producer quadrupled its profits in the US by hiking its prices even though there was no reason to. They claimed avian flu but not a single bird of their was affected. Too many times corporate greed rather than necessary need of the consumer that drives a capitalist economy. In fact, capitalism sustains itself by creating demand where none exists

@jakebrowning2373

9 ай бұрын

I'd argue companies set top-down prices while considering prices of LOTS of other things, in which case their prices are causally connected to everything else, and so is just as hard to predict

@lucasottens8506

6 ай бұрын

@@jakebrowning2373 Their largest consideration being their shareholder's pocketbooks because greed controls everything in this society. Jordan "Benzodiazepines" Peterson isn't a grifter I'd be putting any stock into.

Which page In the book is the excerpt about free will on? Someone help!!!

Can someone list the 5 great novels he mentions? I'm struggling to see all of them properly on the screen...

@antseanbheanbocht4993

6 ай бұрын

Crime and Punishment. Notes from underground. The brothers Karamazov. The idiot. Demons. Notes from a dead house. You'll notice that's 6 but he doesn't list notes from a dead house.

@123NiallMc

2 ай бұрын

The first 4 are: Crime and Punishment, The Idiot, The Brothers Karamazov and Demons. I'm not sure if he means The Adolescent or Notes from Underground as the fifth

@MTech07

Ай бұрын

He didn't mentioned The Meek One (or The Gentle One), also a great novel. It is a study of narcissism from the side of the narcissist. It is a warning tale of how not be.

I should have asked what you think of Edith Wharton

7:30 so true. People are messmakers by nature. Nothing have changed.

Che - gg?

I love his books. He has some unique insight. But at the same time, you need to be cautious about some of his arguments. Because they can be employed to justify a lot of stupid things.

the same thing that peterson said in last part of the video happens in capitalism, but in a very manipulated way: are you sure that what you are thinking and saying now is the fruit of your own will and not the will of the system that controls everything and everyone without beign saw?

@YashArya01

9 ай бұрын

This argument always hilarious to me because the socialist intellectual simultaneously pretends that they're beyond this influence, and that they're justified in *actually* physically coercing people if need be, since they're already apparently being controlled.

I thought it was just a good book about how we tell stories

What shines through in this is Peterson's decadence. The point of 'utopianism', as he has it, is NOT that satisfying material needs is SUFFICIENT, but that it is NECESSARY. His critique of the 1917 Revolution is childish. He seems to be unaware that it happened in the context of mass starvation and an unwinnable war with a massive casualty rate. Peace and bread was all Lenin offered. Peace and bread are not the totality of freedom, but freedom is impossible without them. Peterson has never experienced starvation or war on his own territory and seems to lack the imagination to understand what that is like.

@terryhand

9 ай бұрын

Whatever your views on the Bolshevic Revolution and the aftermath, one thing is certain: There are far more interesting and scholarly voices in the world on Russian history and Dostoevsky than Jordan Peterson

@Chigo-nr8jg

9 ай бұрын

And his point is that you can never satisfy material needs. Once you do something always comes up. Man is never satisfied, he is born to strive for one thing on another. There can never be an utopia where man has everything he needs, such a thing would drive him mad so to speak because it is the nature of man. in critiquing the Revolution, he is not attacking their premise of giving the people a better life, but their belief that communism would bring about an utopia. whether or not the revolution achieved communism or utopia is another story.

@kierankehoe2275

3 ай бұрын

Such as?

Jordan is a false profit and also will not address his conduct in the case of Case 1 Sordi v. Sordi, 2009 CanLII 80104 (ON SC) he defamed a parent in court. In the case 2 R. v. Pearce, 2012 MBQB 22 (CanLII) he tried to free a murderer. Then in the case Peterson v. College of Psychologists of Ontario, 2023 ONSC 4685, he tried to avoid taking responsibility

@murphynick1995

16 күн бұрын

If you want to make a point, even if it is an anti-truth, you should at least know how to spell properly. You should also know more about what you are claiming, and be able to present your case with proof. Nice try though ! ^-^

@stevengoldstein114

16 күн бұрын

@@murphynick1995 All legal records, that are proven. Yuo can find links to the cases in the article titled "Canada's Courts rule on Jordan Peterson: "As close to 'junk science' as anything that I have ever been asked to consider" Ontario and Manitoba courts were unsparing in their assessment rejecting Peterson's "expert" testimony. And it's a pattern when it comes to Peterson's pronouncements". The College of Psychologiy case can be read in the article titled "Ontario court rules against Jordan Peterson, upholds social media training order Court released decision Wednesday, Peterson says he will take the training and broadcast it" and "Court dismisses Jordan Peterson's request to challenge order he undergo media training Psychologist says Ontario college is trying to 'undermine' his reputation and remove licence" This is undebatable and unchangeable FACT. Time to stop ignoring his actions

@stevengoldstein114

16 күн бұрын

@murphynick1995 no anti truth it is all legal records and undebatable. Time to deal with it.

What movie is at 1:59? Very hard to find it based on the quotes from that scene.

@KinnonKO

4 ай бұрын

The Gambler 1974 found it

James Caan cannot read

Jordan is one of the most hateful, problematic and delusional individuals of our time

@thinkingagain5966

10 ай бұрын

Yo momma is

@jojohairee9987

9 ай бұрын

How is he hateful? Elaborate

@billySquanto

9 ай бұрын

Then why are you here? Who/what do you like?

@bobsbigboy_

9 ай бұрын

@@billySquanto intelligent people like Gilles Deleuze and Sam Vaknin

@credodolcevita6555

9 ай бұрын

@@bobsbigboy_ well the Gilles dude clearly liked to jump to conclusions