Csodálatos felvetel! Kaufmann tudatosan és eredmenyesen változtatta meg technikákat. Ami, szerencsére, nagyon jol sikerült. Köszönöm szépen ezt a felvételt.

The 1993 voice is the one I remember being excited about as Cassio in ‘Otello’, his proper role in that opera.

yo creo que ha ganado con el cambio, ahora siendo spinto canta con tranquilidad, con suavidad ,comodo. kaufman es sabio, y sabe,ha trabajado mucho para llegar a donde esta. para mi el mejor tenor que hay hoy an la lirica. tambien tiene el plus de su apostura y eso ayuda, pero su voz seria magnifica en cualquier cuerpo.humildemente.

No comparto que para un cantante lírico sea más importante mantener un registro agudo a cantar como corresponde. estandarizamos todo en la sociedad de consumo pero la particularidad del artista es que es único cuando se lo propone y copia cuando no le queda mas remedio. Está lleno de Vargas, Alagnas, etc... no hay muchos Kaufmann como tampoco Diego Flores. Son voces únicas, la interpretacion se termina acomodando a ellos. que diferencia hay entre escuchar un área cantada por 10 cantantes si todos cantan igual. la idea es que el artista siga sacando nuevas cosas de la partitura. Jonas con un dominio absoluto de la escena es un caso único. puede gustar o no, pero su singularidad lo pone entre los grandes.

@Luifernal6

10 жыл бұрын

Ciertamente Kaufmann no es el unico que sale de Tenor Lirico para ser Spinto. Richard Tucker fue Lirico y termino siendo Spinto, al igual que Franco Bonisolli que termino abordando roles Dramaticos, Incluso Araiza por alli canto el Siegmund de Die Walkure... Tucker y Bonisolli tuvieron exito y muchos años en la cuerda Spinto... Lo resaltable acá no es sobre el registro agudo sino el cambio de una voz clara a una mas engolada y con una colocacion mucho mas diferente, aca se oye mucha diferencia y en el 2008 se oia realmente extraño en este rol al menos. La interpretación es otra cosa.

@jesusmunoz2400

3 жыл бұрын

Variedad en el canto? Pero si lo canta todo igual, con su voz engolada y abuso del falsete, puro marketing.

@jesusmunoz2400

3 жыл бұрын

Escuche en este aria a Kraus, y verá lo que es cantar con matices y dicción perfecta.

La différence s'entend surtout dans la faculté qu'a Jonas Kaufmann de moduler sa voix en pianissimo ou en forte sans jamais décrocher... et au très bon son qu'il a acquis ... L'enregistrement de 2008 est très largement supérieur...En vrai, les qualités d'interprète de Jonas Kaufmann sont encore plus impressionnantes....

I guess I only want to add that his singing is personal, and he feels more comfortable with what everyone is calling his "new" voice. If it works for him, he is the only one to judge that. All of the negative opinions really don't matter to him. Don't listen to him if you don't like his singing. I don't think you'll hurt his feelings at this point.

Here we can see that his voice didn't change; what changed was his technic, and undfortounatly for worse. If you here the early voice of Bonisolli, you will observe the same change. If you are a leggero, all your life will rest a leggero; see the example of Krauss. I see a very good voice misguided, thought I really like his musical concepcions.

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

His early technique isn't good either. It's nasal, masky and fake light.

Sin ninguna duda el cambio fue MUY positivo. Ha logrado un timbre de voz y una expresión ÚNICOS y por algo ha llegado y se ha mantenido en el nivel top que hace la diferencia en una misma obra cuando el la interpreta

I love his voice as well as the young one and that of today...I don't understand what you want to say with your comment...? 1993 he was still at the Music School. The one in 2008 with Natalie Dessay for me it is the most beautiful one...ever...

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

Neither version are any good. The first is fake light, the latter is fake dark. Neither is his true voice. Natalie Dessay is nasal and constricted!

He's not my preferred tenor, but he knows how to interpretate. I love the way he use his voice.

There is a lovely clear bell like quality to his early voice, which I do not recognize at all in the later voice. I don't understand how anyone can consider the later voice natural. It sounds completely distorted with respect to the clear earlier voice. For me, the earlier voice sounds thrilling, and the later voice sounds...as if he is singing underwater or through some kind of tube or something. The public may like what it likes, and fame will be attributed as may happen, but it strikes me as too bad that the earlier voice did not get to develop further along the same lines...

@Marilyn4Bach

8 жыл бұрын

+ctafrance From what Kaufmann says, singing as in the first version was very uncomfortable and felt difficult and forced. That is why it sounds so restrained.

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

Neither are natural. His true voice is like Araiza's

EXCELENTE INTERPRETACIÓN DE JONAS KAUFMAN . BELLA ARIA DE MANON...!!!

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

Listen to Di Stefano. That's how it should be sung.

2008, oui oui oui. Merci!! ---Frederic Antoun vient de chanter ce role a l'Opera Comique. Directeur: Marc Minkowski. C'est fantastique, surtout grace a Minkowski. Une repre encore, le 21.

Both voices sound wonderful to me! The proof is that he is singing many great roles today, so he is obviously doing something right. To tell the truth, when I first heard him sing I thought he was a baritone; but his facility in the high range put those doubts to rest.

@raphaelhudson

6 жыл бұрын

He probably has vocal chords of the same length as a high lyric baritone, or slightly smaller. But he has incredible technique so he is able to sing with a baritone like phonation easily at the top of the tenor range.

@carmeloalfano6963

6 жыл бұрын

Dave Glo do sing David? Because if you sang and understood voice you would never have made that comment. And maybe you don’t know this but he is in and out of voice specialists rooms with this “wonderful” voice. But If you like both then I wish you well.

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

@@raphaelhudson No he is a leggero tenor. He sings throaty to make it darker, but that is NOT his true voice.

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

Neither is any good. He is actually a leggero tenor. He is NOT a dramatic tenor. Del Monaco, Giacomini, Melchior, Vickers, King. THEY are dramatic tenors.

@raphaelhudson

3 жыл бұрын

@@xxsaruman82xx87 you guys are truly bonkers. Di Stefano would laugh in your face if you told him this.

Чарующая красота молодости.!Чистота и свежесть ангельского голоса.🙏 2008 Мастерство и зрелость.Красота и сила глубоких чувств .🤗

Se nota la voz tenazmente agotada con el engolamiento

The 2008 Kaufmann is the real deal. You mustn't be distracted by the color of his voice, but instead listen to the function. You can clearly hear the bottling of sound and nasality in his 1993 recording. What we hear in the 2008 recording is an open and relaxed sound free of any nasality or over occlusion of the vocal mechanism.

@aycaramba6225

5 жыл бұрын

I couldnt disagree more.. theres nothing free or relaxed about his new voice.. feels like his pulling a frog out of his throat.

@pablottalonso7878

5 жыл бұрын

@@aycaramba6225 Thats the real way of singing in order to keep safe the instrument.

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

@@pablottalonso7878 Nope. It most certainly isn't. He is so throaty! He was never good!

@giselamarch1994

Жыл бұрын

@@aycaramba6225 Can you do better?

@giselamarch1994

Жыл бұрын

@@xxsaruman82xx87 I bet you are better.

I wanted to highlight the difference in his voice as Lyric and Spinto

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

He is actually a leggero tenor, not even close to a lyric tenor or spinto and certainly not the dramatic tenor which so many proclaim him to be. Neither of these show us his true voice. Araiza's is probably the closest to his true voice.

C'e' chi nasce grandi e chi mediocri...Jonas e' della prima specie...anche muto.

I read out there that Kauffman is where he is because he will have done something right. Is something doing well? Of course! MARKETING. It is clear years away that people who think in favor of Jonas' "New Voice" do not understand a damn bit of pure lyrical singing, but rather let themselves be carried away by the current trend, the theaters today are full of negotiated They do not care about the singer's career, if he draws attention to even the physical aspect (Vittorio Grigolo) and with that attracts a multitude of people, he is already a trained kung fu shaolin master in lyrical singing. Please! Thanks to people like you, good singers do not float, because they prefer singers who get more through their eyes than through their ears. But guess what! This is lyrical singing and must be sung with true and correct lyrical technique, not a career with a physical aspect or a polular song (Juan Diego), for something they are different techniques, each one in his place ...

Interesting enough that among my professional tenor colleagues, Kaufmann does not get much credit for his throaty technique. And it's not out of jealousy for his fame. It simply is because he heavily overdoes the backwards throaty phonation.

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's horrible to listen to. Viva Del Monaco!

Obsesionado por oscurecer la voz con la utilización del canto de gola, no tiene nada que ver con sus inicios.

Completamente de acuerdo, ahora tiene la voz peor, más engolada

The 1993 voice had its own set of problem: Mostly white and airy. Yet, it's more natural and better than the 2008 sound, which is throaty, artificially dark and just unpleasant.

Compárese 2:01 con 4:59 uno es un agudo brillante lleno de armónicos, el otro está opaco y apagado. Adivinen cuál es cuál

@inspectorachundia1

7 жыл бұрын

Es su laringe, qué se yo. Todo no se puede cantar...la industria perversa de la ópera convierte a los artistas en marcas y terminan siendo víctimas de una máquina de hacer carne picada de los que viven a costas de ellos. Lo importante es llenarse los bolsillos mientras las cuerdas aguanten y el cantante no sepa decir que no. Ya tuvo que suspender varias presentaciones, la última por una hematoma en una cuerda vocal(...)

@Luifernal6

7 жыл бұрын

El año que viene intentara Otello ahi lo pueden masacrar como a Alagna :/

@aycaramba6225

5 жыл бұрын

precisely... his "older " voice was free and vibrant

2 extrems. I think he should aim at something somewhere in the middle imo.

@Pikkendorff94

3 жыл бұрын

No

I totally agree with you. He has made millions from this voce incolata and it makes me so angry!

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

Neither voice are any good.

And yeah, sure he would defend his present method of voice production, because that's what the PR people said he should do! Only a deaf person can't hear how natural the first version sounds and how coarse the second is. No, I detect absolutely no strain in the first version, it flows easily, the second one is not.

I disagree. The darker voice is not just dark, it is just a bright as the smaller, young voice. This is just maturity. It is the whole voice which he did not have (as much of) beefore. He has added depth. Listen to the ring of the the upper notes...open your ears to full depth of sound...and interpretive abilities..He sound like a baritone in the tenor range...very unique. Marvelous.

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

No, it's not unique, because he sings throaty. This is not his true voice.

After comparisons only a deaf person can say the later version with this concentrated synthetic sound is the right one. People, what happened with your ears???

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

Neither version are any good. The first is fake light, the latter is fake dark. Neither is his true voice.

Yes, his voice WAS a pure lyric...but opera companies like the dark robust sound. Shirley Verrett and I spoke about this very same issue...and she definitely spoke against the darker voice..I too am against darkening too much !! It does take it's toll on the voice !! BUT....HE STILL SINGS BEAUTIFULLY in this 2008 clip...one must always be honest.

This is sad to listen to. In the first clip you hear a natural, beautiful lyric voice that they destroyed by making it sound like something it is not. Affectation. They made his voice thick and girded. Sad. He could have developed his natural voice properly and been like a Di Stefano, Hadley, Gigli etc.

@Marilyn4Bach

8 жыл бұрын

+MrCafiero Personally I think the "thick and girded" voice has far more color and interest. The first sounds way too restrained. Lovely but restrained. I believe he also found it uncomfortable.

@IAINTHORPE84

8 жыл бұрын

I more than just agree...He actually said in couple of interviews that he found it extremely uncomfortable and that it was getting worse over time....So, if this new way is safer for him than it is his way and thats it...:-) And I like it! :-) And on top of that, he is managing it this way without issues, which probably means it is the right way for him...

@Klinxor

8 жыл бұрын

He is not like Di Stefano, Hadley or Gigli but, luckily, like Kaufmann.

@chaiter1

6 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately nowadays people can't hear even such vast differences and I find it is of no use to try to explain to people how much the earlier voice is more natural. As a vocalist I heard that immediately and felt sorry for Kaufmann. The second recording demonstrates how not to sing. The line is much more labored, and the dynamics are much more difficult to sustain. Sorry. This is a "manufactured" voice. Once people will listen and not judge by his looks etc. it is apparent.

@chaiter1

6 жыл бұрын

He has no choice but to follow the PR people plan. He will say for that purpose that white is black, just because he was instructed to do so. And if he sings in the "new" method, he will surely defend it, otherwise why sing in the "new way"? Therefore, you will never know his true opinion. Maybe when he retires in future...

It is the same voice. The last one is correctly placed. The first one is killing his larinx. With the second his larinx is in totally rest...not his diaphragm. Listen carefully, despite he tried to sing as a lírico leggero the dramátic voice is still there.

@xxsaruman82xx87

3 жыл бұрын

Neither is any good. He is actually a leggero tenor. He is NOT a dramatic tenor. Del Monaco, Giacomini, Melchior, Vickers, King. THEY are dramatic tenors.

@user-cy6xl3vd3f

3 жыл бұрын

@@xxsaruman82xx87 do you sing?

@harpz7840

6 ай бұрын

​@@user-cy6xl3vd3fnah he just sucks del Monaco's dick online in every tenor related video comment section while slandering every other artist.. that's the only thing he does with his throat lol

😂ich hob die lang schon nimmer gseng

1993: Beautiful, but, Nasal 2008: Crap

@Luifernal6

2 жыл бұрын

2022?

@ariasemusicaslegendadas7657

2 жыл бұрын

@@Luifernal6 ??

Ps. Era gia' grande nel 1993...cantava.

Viva Del Monaco!

La voz JAMAS cambia. Las caracteristicas de una voz como el timbre, el volumen o el rango siempre seran las mismas. Kraus jamas llego a tener con el tiempo una voz como la de Vickers. La voz de Kaufmann jamas ha cambiado solo esta ENGOLADA. Esta cometiendo el mismo error que Bonisolli. Comparen las grabaciones de Bonisolli joven y las de mas grande; la diferencia era el engolamiento. Fue para atras como el cangrejo.

@LAESPN

8 жыл бұрын

Muy acertada la opinión.

@isamaeli

6 жыл бұрын

Muy cierto, prueba de ello es que lleva generando nodulos dos veces.

@Luifernal6

6 жыл бұрын

Tucker, Araiza, Bonisolli, kunde... no me parecen engolados, bueno... bonisolli un poquin, pero su ejemplo de Vickers... uy que feo y horrendo ejemplo pseudo tenor ese...