Jon may now be the new King Beyond the Wall. The Free Folk were looking at him when he arrived at Castle Black like he was their new leader.

@j.vinton4039

4 жыл бұрын

Jurassic Park #1 Fan I’m down with this theory. The Starks, although technically John’s a Targaryen, now effectively control all of Westeros.

@ashishjadhav5169

4 жыл бұрын

That's so nice of you to say

@glowhoo9226

4 жыл бұрын

I think Jon won’t have some title as leader, but they will probably look to him for advice and will treat him as a leader, both him and tormund

@acuariolorenz

3 жыл бұрын

J. Vinton also a Stark from his mothers side 👍🏼

@youtubecommenter37

3 жыл бұрын

@@glowhoo9226 the free folk practically look at John Snow like a god. Think about it: he comes to hardhome and rescues thousands of them. The. Jon dies for them-and gets raised from the dead. They saw him lead from the front in the battle of the bastards. Then they saw him walk up to Ramsey and block all his arrows (rewatch that scene and look at the faces of the wildlings). Then they saw him ride a dragon and fight the army of the dead. How could the free folk NOT look to him as their leader?

as a jon fan i am still conflicted about the ending

@saadumair461

4 жыл бұрын

@Alpha Wërks this was from season 8 and it's the worst one 😅

@jonlothbrok2230

4 жыл бұрын

@@saadumair461 absolutly, jon's ending is cruel he rather be dead like a hero

@nivashkumar4591

4 жыл бұрын

I also

@Stitchpuppy01

3 жыл бұрын

You shouldn't be. It was garbage.

@DMDvideo10

3 жыл бұрын

He got a sweet deal... Northern life, no Kings or Queens to answer to... Just hot Wildling babes to choose from...

Jon got screwed. His name should've been brought up at that counsel when elected bran to be king. But....nah...ha ha...send him back to prison black. Back to exile . What a joke. His heritage meant absolutely nothing.

@darthaerys9867

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there were definitely a lot of holes there. I really hate how his lineage literally meant nothing by the time the story ended.

@jurassicpark1fan920

5 жыл бұрын

@@darthaerys9867 I don't think Jon could've become king since that would've started a war with the Unsullied.

@saadumair461

4 жыл бұрын

@@jurassicpark1fan920 D&D also did so many unexpected and pointless things this season but Making Jon the King could have lessened the anger a little but BTW 😅

@jurassicpark1fan920

4 жыл бұрын

@@saadumair461 Jon was never going to be the king in neither the books and show.

@saadumair461

4 жыл бұрын

@@jurassicpark1fan920 they have to do these kind of things to make this bittersweet. We all can sense this

"A Targereon alone in the world is a terrible thing". -Maester Aemon(Jon's Great Uncle)

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

And Bran already arranged for Jon to be broken emotionally.. though in Jon's case he is more a broken man that lost mentally-Bran did the former to him and the latter to someone else in order to crownsnatch.

Perfect ending in a way: The iron throne was created by Aegon Targaryen and the dragon, Balerion. The iron throne was destroyed by Aegon Targaryen and the dragon, Drogon (who was said to be Balerion reborn).

@3baxcb

3 жыл бұрын

The Iron Throne was the reason for so much intrugue betrayal and murder which made everyone in the realm suffer over the decades. With it melted down and no royal family, Westeros had to come up with something different in choosing a ruler without the hassles of a potential struggle of succession. Jon leaving Westeros and Castle Black for good is probably the best case scenario for him.

The ending of Jon Snow, is very similar to many of my brethren Vietnam war veterans. The did what they did, they fought who they fought, and when they came home they were hated by those they fought to protect from the spread of communism. So they bellied up a whole bunch of 'screw you', found a hole in the wall to live out their lives, somewhere across the great expanse of the continental United States, and have done so since then.

@mr.c6324

2 жыл бұрын

it's minority hippies who hated em

@jimbeaux89

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your service man. I truly mean it

It’s what he could control. Finally he wasn’t duty bound to anyone. So he ignored the castle and went with the people who loved him as an equal, listened out of respect and wanted nothing more than to be left alone. Bran betrayed everyone as he said, he basically came to be king. Sansa got to be a Wueen which was all she wanted. Arya got to go travelling. Jon, betrayed by almost everyone, got freedom. He wasn’t driven by money or power. He just wanted peace.

@thetoolmat8632

8 ай бұрын

Excellent!

Fun fact did you know he married his first love in the show in real life

@brianpark5169

3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Rose Leslie of the Leslie clan, grew up in a castle outside Aberdeen not too far from me. She wasn`t a wildling she was `highborn` Lol! She`s a great actor too.

I was hoping that before drogon melted the iron throne he would attempt to torch Jon but we, the viewers, would witness his Targaryen blood take effect and then drogon out of frustration melt the throne. To me, that would have a been a great end to his character development. Because as you said, “Why was it a secret for 2 decades”.

@darthaerys9867

5 жыл бұрын

That would have been pretty awesome. I really feel like the best kept secret in the history of Westeros was such a waste.

@theshyguys3308

4 жыл бұрын

Would have been cool but it wouldn’t have made sense because he burned his hand on a lantern in season 1 when he saved Jeor Mormont from a wight. He still has the scars in the books

@king09426

3 жыл бұрын

Jon Snow gave up the throne just like his Great Grand Uncle Aemon Tagaryen.

@parkerfilms1

3 жыл бұрын

@@darthaerys9867 I suspect the book's will be completely different in their path to the ending, possibly providing more rational reasons for the actions of the characters, and the final outcome.

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

parkerfilms1 I actually used to believe D and D were trying to follow a plan by GRRM more than I do now. Some of the characters have been changed from what the books already show them to be like Tyrion and Euron. Plus there is evidence wildfire was the planned way King's Landing would burn and D and D changed it. That is a pretty big change and can also change the morality judgements of just how much and who is to blame.

Anyone else getting the feeling Jon snows final shot was also a call back to Ned and Roberts conversation in season 1 about leaving the kingdoms behind with swords at their backs? That’s what Tormund and Jon ending up doing at the final shot and it’s pretty epic.

@SerbAtheist

3 жыл бұрын

Season 8 is PACKED with moments like these and call backs to earlier seasons. It's a thematic gem! Yet people here treat it with such disdain. What a shame.

@Impulset0

3 жыл бұрын

@@SerbAtheist it's garbage.

I noticed something in the final montage of the finale where Jon, Sansa and Arya are moving on to the next step in their journey that I havent seen anyone else bring up. During his time as King in the North it always seemed that Sansa was at odds with Jon - no moment more apparent then when she questioned him in front of everyone about his mercy to house Umber and house Karstark. She had learned from Cersei that mercy was weak (something that Dany used as justification for what she was going to do to Kings Landing - she didnt want Cersei proving her weak and in effect fell into the same foolish belief as Cersei that mercy is weakness). Time and time again Jon displayed mercy to those who wronged him. Especially Sansa, who in effect betrayed him more than once (keeping the Knights of the Vale arrival to herself and then sharing his secret after she said she would not) and both times he subverted her expectation and forgave her - showed her the mercy she was willing to refuse others. I was pleased at the end of that montage as Sansa took her seat on the Northern Throne to hear a familiar voice yell out, "The Queen in the North!" --- Lord Glover!!! He abandoned them for the Long Night and even the Last War and Sansa could have punished him severely for that, but she learned from Jon's leadership - to grant mercy. Dany couldn't grant mercy either - in many ways she saw it as a victory for Cersei if she did, - but even in the end Jon granted her a small mercy - a quick death - where many people in the show would respond with vengeance for what she had done. Yes, the way he led always put him at risk for betrayal - his own murder came from him doing what was right for life to continue. Some people call that dumb - i think it is honorable and worth living like - imagine if everyone lived as sacrificially as Jon. The world would be a better place. Jon displayed many Christlike attributes - I suppose that is a big reason he was my favorite character. This was a tragedy - not bad writing or character assassination. I was left both sorrowful at the cost of his sacrifice for everyone and inspired. Great ending and great video!!!!!! (my favorite parallel and contrast of Ygritte's last words "you know nothing, Jon Snow" and Dany's "you know what is right - you have always known" quite compelling and poetic. Haven't figured out what he actually knows yet though LOL) hope someone read all of this lol thoughts welcome

@saadumair461

4 жыл бұрын

He was the only pure hearted character in a world full of politicians. Sansa learned so much politics from Cersei and Littlefinger and always used it against Dany and Jon as well, she was also jealous when Jon became King in the North. People sometimes call Jon Dumb by repeating the joke like "You know nothing Jon Snow" but for me he was always there, did what needed to be done. I only wanted him to be King because the world got rid off Lannisters and all the Targaryens except him so there are Starks left I'm considering big houses so a political minded character isn't really needed to be King. A pure hearted man can lead the World to a much better place, his Targaryen reveals were always Epic so it would make the ending much better. Some people say that it's good ending for him because he felt loved there and I respect their opinion but such reveals and such an epic journey for a character just for him to live from where he started clearly feels empty to me since he's my by far the Favourite Character. But now it has ended, so I'm trying my level best to move on 😔

@ioanaberbece1994

4 жыл бұрын

@@saadumair461 exactly! It felt empty! Like someone said, it's like Harry Potter ending up living with the Dursleys at the end of the books. It rings hollow.

@saadumair461

4 жыл бұрын

@@ioanaberbece1994 It is what it is. There is a reason millions of people are against it now which had the potential to be called the Best Show Ever but now I don't think that it'll be remembered as that

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

While you tried to put some thought into it I'll say it was still character assassination. A Dany showing no mercy would've gone right at Cersei to punish her, not ignored her to supposedly chase down random people on the street. Daenerys tries to protect or avoid harming the innocents, she is quite comfortable with punishing those who she thinks are guilty. Season 8 tried to portray a total reverse of that which is utterly character breaking in 2 different ways at once and character assassination. I have a guess as to why. That D and D wrecked a perfectly good tv series and broke with multiple characters actual characters isn't hard to see. And they likely did it just for shock value and to failingly try to excuse scenes that shouldn't have happened-they likely changed season 8 from wildfire burning King's Landing to dragon fire because they wanted the multiple scenes from episode six of season 8 even though they realized those scenes shouldn't happen. 1. Yes, commentary from computer effects people is evidence that a change was made and an earlier plan for season 8 was for most of King's Landing to burn due to wildfire, they were told the plan then later told to change the scenes to "not wildfire". Link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZaV1pdKkZNu9eso.html This is just 1 bit of evidence wildfire was the earlier intended way King's Landing would burn, there are other bits but I think this is important because it shows someone was directly told to change their part of making season 8. 2. That means Jon would not have agreed to assassinate Dany as a massive wildfire disaster was never what she wanted. 3. And if the start of season 8's episode six did play out then the ending wouldn't have happened. A Grey Worm already killing prisoners would've killed Jon and Tyrion day 1, not waiting for a council to assemble that he doesn't take orders from anyway. 4. And if a council was formed to pick a new king then both Jon and Gendry have better claims to the crown so their names would have been discussed first, not Bran's. 5. If Tyrion's brain was functioning Bran telling him "Why do you think I came all this way?" would've been a clue to Tyrion that Bran either planned all this and is a mass murderer including of Tyrion's brother or (if one doesn't think Bran is quietly being a puppet master) it would still let Tyrion know Bran foresaw one of the worst disasters to hit Westeros and let it happen just so he could be king meaning Bran is utterly useless. Either way Tyrion would probably go scratch that Bran the Broken idea and say someone else should be king (and if the former is true Tyrion may try to think of a way to kill Bran as both revenge and to rid Westeros of him). So I figure D and D were trying to go for scenes they had no good excuse for having as a way to quickly wrap things up.

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

Just to add I think you tried to have a worthwhile thought related to mercy. But I suspect you put more thought into things than D and D did. And even if D and D intended to show mercy that they may have made Bran a manipulative mass murder in order to be king says much-either they are inept or don't really understand how to portray mercy.

You forgot to mention his lineage ties him to the dragons. Possibly as to why they didnt kill him and a possible reunion between him and the dragons beyond the wall.

Jon's ending was a gift from Bran. Bran knew all that Jon had done. Beyond the Wall (or being in the Night's Watch at the Wall) is a punishment to most Westerosi. To the Unsullied and the Dothraki, that might as well have been a living Hell as neither of those groups would want anything to do with the North even if Sansa isn't sitting on the new throne of the North. Bran used some political brinksmanship to allow the North to be a separate kingdom which protects his family even if he's not really Brandon Stark any more. He still has his own memories so Bran is still in the 3ER. Bran knows that beyond the Wall is where Jon has been away from being a Stark and just being Jon.

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

Or Bran just wanted to get Jon out of the way on Bran's march to the crown. That better explains why Bran pushed Jon's linage when it could complicate Jon's life but then keeps quiet about it when who should be king is discussed. Bran uses Jon's linage as a tool for his own powergrab. Plus Bran wanted Jon gone without making it obvious to Arya that this and the burning of King's Landing was Bran's plan all along. Bran couldn't have Jon killed because that would make Arya mad at him (we already saw Arya's response to that idea when Yara brought it up out of the idea that it was "justice"). So Bran needed a way to get Jon out of the picture with his life ruined (Jon being emotionally broken) and disinherited but without setting off Arya. So exile it was. Of course for this situation to play out some scenes that shouldn't exist had to occur that break characters and may have required changing season 8 from the earlier intended story. Yes there is evidence season 8 was changed from what the earlier plans were. Arguably for added shock value but also to get scenes that shouldn't exist. Consider these points.: 1. Yes, commentary from computer effects people is evidence that a change was made and an earlier plan for season 8 was for most of King's Landing to burn due to wildfire, they were told the plan then later told to change the scenes to "not wildfire". Link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZaV1pdKkZNu9eso.html This is just 1 bit of evidence wildfire was the earlier intended way King's Landing would burn, there are other bits but I think this is important because it shows someone was directly told to change their part of making season 8. 2. That means Jon would not have agreed to assassinate Dany as a massive wildfire disaster was never what she wanted. 3. And if the start of season 8's episode six did play out then the ending wouldn't have happened. A Grey Worm already killing prisoners would've killed Jon and Tyrion day 1, not waiting for a council to assemble that he doesn't take orders from anyway. 4. And if a council was formed to pick a new king then both Jon and Gendry have better claims to the crown so their names would have been discussed first, not Bran's. 5. If Tyrion's brain was functioning Bran telling him "Why do you think I came all this way?" would've been a clue to Tyrion that Bran either planned all this and is a mass murderer including of Tyrion's brother or (if one doesn't think Bran is quietly being a puppet master) it would still let Tyrion know Bran foresaw one of the worst disasters to hit Westeros and let it happen just so he could be king meaning Bran is utterly useless. Either way Tyrion would probably go scratch that Bran the Broken idea and say someone else should be king (and if the former is true Tyrion may try to think of a way to kill Bran as both revenge and to rid Westeros of him).

@billyboblillybob344

3 жыл бұрын

@@pplr1 Good stuff!

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

@@billyboblillybob344 Thanks!

@vettathegreat5787

3 жыл бұрын

@@pplr1 never looked at it that way do you really think Bran was like that???

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

@@vettathegreat5787 Details from season 8 made it look like Bran was like that (I can list some if you want). Now it may have done that because the writers were so inept that they didn't realize they were doing that with Bran. Anyway glad I could share a thought you hadn't heard before. Have a good one.

Jon chasing night king hard as he can.Night king get killed by arya. WTF

@parkerfilms1

3 жыл бұрын

Unlikely to be that way in the book.

He can chill with Tormund drinking goats milk all day

@warphole

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Oliver u mean giants milk

@jonsnow5929

3 жыл бұрын

@@warphole watch GOT with a keen interest,.. wildlings ferment goat's milk to drink as alcohol

@MustardSkaven

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonsnow5929 Yes Tormund invited Davos to drink fermented goat's milk once.

@jonsnow5929

3 жыл бұрын

@@MustardSkaven yes... Before the battle of bastards

@kwikd5193

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonsnow5929 Tormund at just 10 years old slayed a male giant, young Tormund got into bed with the dead giant's wife. When she awoke, she mistook Tormund for her own child and breast fed him for three months. Tormund explained that not only is that how he got his nickname, but it's how he got all his strength: from giant's milk. That is why i think @C mentioned giant's milk. Did ya'll not watch the series lol ?

I thought Jon's ending was the best. He ended up in the real north. Free , with tormind and ghost. Throughout the show he always stated he would rather live in the north, he even stated it with tormand this season.

@glowhoo9226

4 жыл бұрын

He’s always seen himself as a bastard, in his eyes he doesn’t deserve some great big role in life.

@TheMrPeteChannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@glowhoo9226 Well if he wants it or not he's now the King Beyond The Wall.

Great show for 7 seasons. Then repaid us with not just killing characters but killing everything they built. Man the ending was bad. And last season had nearly no substance.

He was royally screwed by the writers, that's the only justification.

Bran “I’m the three eyed raven, I can’t be lord of anything” Also Bran “Why do you think I came all this way?”

@tylerharris6263

3 ай бұрын

BRO I SAID THE SAME THING

im excited for future northern targaryens and ice dragons

Jon being a Stark or being a Targaryen means really nothing on Jon's own choices. The show only proves that Jon makes his own justice regardless of what political heritage he's in.

It was a Stark conspiracy smh

My thing was Jon never got to choose what he wanted. Every choice he made past Season 3 was in the service of someone else he never got to be selfish and do something for himself.

Jon being a Targaryen, changed his relationship with Danerys, in season 8 episode 4, Danerys lost Jorah, becoming suspicious of Tyrion, her inability to lean on her relationship with Jon becomes the breaking point, making her toward vengeful and paranoid. You can see the little details, such as in S8E6, when Arya warned Jon that he will always be a threat to her. And Tyrion told Jon during captivity, "why did you think Sansa told me about your birth". There is other dynamic going on in the story. Unfortunately, Season 8 ended too soon without properly presenting these complex relationship as the screen writer has intended. To bring it back, his identity matter as it destroyed his relationship with Danerys, becomes something that Sansa used to disrupt Danery's path to become the Queen of the 7 kingdoms and Varys and Tyrion's vision of an even better ruler than Danery's. Just my thoughts.

People say tyrion was smart and all but jon was the smartest for me. Most unfair written character ever, after all he endured growing up, being the only character to take upon himself to save mankind, the only natural leader with danny. He deserved better for his heritage, the fact his parents made sure he is not a bastard by tying the knots. Means they left room for him to retake the throne. He made all the correct decisions for the people, kept the people first. Honor, Duty. The o e character being the king would have settled alot of chaos.

@vettathegreat5787

3 жыл бұрын

You just pointed something out and I love you for it lol. Rhaegar and Lyanna most certainly did ensure they're child would not be a bastard by marrying in private. They may not have known how it would all turn out but they made sure he wouldn't be a bastard. That's love

I just rewatched the entire series and I’m disappointed that Jon didn’t get the throne after all he was the true king by birthright. He did the act of saving his ppl over his queen. He should have been the king after all of it wasn’t for him none of them would be alive anymore. Hopefully he is happy and the king beyond the wall

I think it´s funny how nobody thinks about the prophecy of Azor Ahai, the prince that was promised... To forge his sword, he had to plunge it into the living heart of his wife so he could finally bring peace. Maybe that´s why Jon had to kill Dany and go north, to stand against the darkness. Just a thought.

@sophiawilson8696

3 жыл бұрын

He already did that with Ygritte.

@mr.c6324

2 жыл бұрын

@@sophiawilson8696 It wasn't he who killed her tho

@sophiawilson8696

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.c6324 very true but he part that war. If he stand beside her maybe she would be still alive. He and she should have runaway over the wall Jon Snow owns nobody any thing. The Hell the Watch.

I think the ending perfectly sets up a sequel where the North and Highgarden (ruled by Redwyne, who deposes Bron’s heir) over who rules Westeros, the North wanting to put a Tully or an Aryn (their allies by blood of Sansa) or even a Stark on the throne to keep the 6 kingdoms under their influence, whilst Highgarden uses it’s power over the kingdom’s agricultural resources to extort votes, Jon’s descendant then arrives in the north after Sansa’s descendant dies without an heir, leading to a war where the north tries to reunite with the south in a personal union under the king in the north, whilst the south (Highgarden) fights to keep the south under their control, with help from Dorne and the Stormlands

Always believe that the end was a happy one for him, he will never take the Targaryen name because he knows what that brings, his payoff is to live a full life with the wildlings, to be the king beyond the wall, maybe one day fall in love and have a family that nobody will know because they will be wildlings also. Total freedom and peace from all the conflict and killing

@matorchiana

3 жыл бұрын

In the books there is Val the princess of the savages, and both in the books Jon and Val are in love. I think GRRM will not be so cruel and will give Jon a happy ending after everything that happened.

@slipstreamxr3763

5 ай бұрын

@@matorchiana GRRM will probably never finish the last two books at this point, so that's what I'm going with. Jon finds happiness with Val and the Wildlings, Sansa ends up taking a wildling as husband as well so she can pass on the Stark name to her children as the Wildlings don't care about surnames like everyone else. Arya ends up being the one who would have to kill Lady Stoneheart so her mother can finally be at peace, and she ends up leading the Brotherhood without Banners and take overruling the Riverlands in her own way, much like her wolf Nymeria. Bran ends up as the next Bloodraven and Jon would probably have to be the one to kill him. Daenerys and FAegon will probably end up coming head to head in the books.

His status as the prince that was promised was fulfilled when he killed Dany and saved everyone from the ruthless conqueror. Seeing another rightful heir take the throne doesn’t change anything about the flawed system in Westeros. I wanted more for Jon, but the ending was brilliant, even if so bittersweet.

great vid

nah, he was free beyond the wall. plus spring would return in time (anyone see the cheeky green shoot in the last scene?). where does he go if not the wall? the north as king? when really it should be sansa? anywhere south where he was with the lunatic dragon lady? nah, go beyond the wall, he may be an old crow, but he came through for them when no else did.

I think the show runners were so obsessed with big twists and subverting expectations that they lost sight of what can make a story more memorable and impactful, even if the obvious choice is for John to fight and kill the night king, it’s still the right one. It always bothered me that Arya had nothing to do with the white walkers the entire show and then she is the one to defeat them. Her character would have been better served saving Sandor from the mountain or something, that would be a subversion since she said she wanted to kill sandor, only winding up saving him instead. And it would make more sense in her story arc. It makes me wonder if GRRM told the show runners what the book ending was gonna be and made them promise to do something different to not spoil to much.

@crag188wwe

5 ай бұрын

Jon should’ve either become king or kill the night king, doing neither completely ruined the show for me. ‘The prince that was promised’ should’ve saved the realm by defeating the ice king I would’ve been happy if the show ended as you said with Jon and Arya paths, and also Jamie killing Cersi and brining the story full loop so he would be the king and queen slayer! The producers knew Jamie killing cersi was obvious but him dying in her arms shows his character arc was for nothing

So uh.. what happened to that giant army of dothraki? Are they just wild loose in the crownlands?

@jonathancummings6400

3 жыл бұрын

They were wiped out in the battles vs the Night King and the destruction of King's Landing. Dany's destructive rage surely killed many of her own troops as Dragonfire doesn't choose sides.They were poorly armored, inferior in almost every way to the real Mongols, that they had to suffer huge casualties in those Westros battles.

@SerbAtheist

3 жыл бұрын

They have settled in KL and have begun the process of abandoning their old ways, since you see them casually strolling along the pier in the scene when Jon and GW are leaving.

Sensa was the Queen of the North, and she had no intention of enforcing the council's punishment for him. The instant he set foot in the territory under her INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY, he was free to do as he pleased short of going south, so he went North.

@lukeskywalker7110

3 жыл бұрын

Which Bran of course knew would happen. Whatever was left of the Knights Watch sure as hell wasn't going to enforce it.

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

That would be one of the very few redeeming things Sansafinger could do after using the situation to grab Jon's lands. But it could also just be that Sansafinger, like Bran, didn't want Jon hanging around because his linage was a threat to both of their crowns. Plus the Northern nobles elected Jon but not Sansafinger-making him doubly a threat to her if he stayed and she betrays enough people that there is a backlash. This is quite possible since Sansafinger in season 8 is an oathbreaker already-directly to Jon himself but also part of undermining an alliance he made to any ally that helped save the North and greater Westeros.

@ioanaberbece8137

3 жыл бұрын

@@pplr1 Ugh, now I remember again why I started to absolutely detest Sansa after s06. I still find it equally funny and sad how people twist themselves to justify her actions since Battle of the Bastards. For me it was never about the throne. What really made me furious is how Jon was betrayed by his family, friends and allies when he needed them most. They used him as a scapegoat, and after they sent him to a place where he conveniently had to swear off any rights he had to the thrones, his family started dividing his rightful lands (as per the show) amongst themselves. Isn't it funny that at the end the Lannisters ended up looking better than the Starks? I mean, talk about subverting expectations, hooooly shit!

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ioanaberbece8137 Wow, thank you for that point. There is an argument season 8 Sansafinger is not Sansa from earlier seasons. Perhaps not too different from how Dany in season 8 is clearly not Daenerys in earlier season. But thank you for putting it that way. I never thought the Starks would make the Lannisters look good but..

The final scene was mixed. One is heartbroken that John, putting the good of the Kingdom before himself, will likely NEVER see Arya or Sansa again. But on the flip side, he is among those who will welcome him, respect, and trust him. With the Night King's power broken over the far North, John Snow will be ok.

@matorchiana

3 жыл бұрын

Sansa better not see her anymore, maybe she poisons him, and good Bran is anything but his brother. Arya is just the one who really loves him.

@MustardSkaven

3 жыл бұрын

@@matorchiana Bran's body has been taken over by the three eyed raven. Bran is pretty much gone.

The Night King and his troops must have had a base. They were out of sight for so long, their very existence became a myth. That base is likely still there. It might hold some answers. And for all we know, the Night King might have kept some sort of backup plan in place, so the dead can rise again in another few thousand years. Someone has to go look and Jon Snow would be the first to volunteer. Either as First Ranger of the Night's Watch, or on his own. Once he had his answers, he might well settle north of The Wall. I doubt anyone would go looking for him if he left the Night's Watch.

Oooh. That sort of happy ending. Was expecting something different

Him being remanded to castle black and the nights watch was the most absolute pointless direction for his character

3 years in, and I still totally agree with this.

Porfavor díganme qué no estoy loco!! No sé si sea un efecto Mandela o que pero recuerdo que en la escena final dónde se ve a Jon adentrándose en el bosque, su espada empieza a emitir un brillo,como dando referencia a la espada dueña de luz que se cuenta en la profecia, yo recuerdo que era exactamente en este escena pero talvez me equivoco y era en otra o puede que la esté confundiendo con otra serie o película ya no se ni que pensar,pero enserio créanme que recuerdo claramente esa parte,alguien más la vio o soy el único ??

Where are jhon snow fans I really hate his side of ending

@hellsurviver2780

5 жыл бұрын

I cried so much for his dissrecpected ending

@ioanaberbece1994

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, everyone betrayed him in the end. Everyone can say what they want. Arya was a faceless man and she did literally nothing to help him while he was in prison. Sam was so eager for Jon to reveal who he is but at the council he was like "let's vote who should be the next king! Jon? Jon who? I know no Jon". The excuse that the Unsullied will attack is weak at best with a faceless man and a god like brother on his side. It's funny how the barbaric wildlings had more loyalty in their pinky finger than the so called good northern lords and the Starks... I always rooted for Jon to become a Stark as he so dearly wanted but by the end I was like "thank goodness he's not part of those assholes".

@glowhoo9226

4 жыл бұрын

Ioana Berbece for fucks sake have you not listened to a word Jon has said? JON DOES NOT WANT TO BE KNOWN. He fucking volunteered to go to the wall at the beginning, it doesn’t matter that he is actually of noble blood, he doesn’t care, he’s lived his life as a bastard and is perfectly happy with the life he has, bran knew this because he can fucking see the future, so bran obviously sent Jon to the wall because he knew he would be happy, it’s not like Sansa will have him killed if he decides to pay a visit home. God just let the man live the life he wants, he doesn’t want to be king, and it makes way more sense that bran is king because under his rule and with his abilities they can avoid future wars and disasters.

@katiePetsy

4 жыл бұрын

@@ioanaberbece1994 that's why I like his ending- he's going to live among people who, although harsh, aren't conniving backstabbers. The wildlings love him. He'll have his pick of the sexy redheads 😂

If there is a sequel I hope Jon and drogon bonds it makes sense sinse there are the last of their kind and drogon clearly trusts jon alot and didnt kill him thye might be already bonded they just dont know

Long live the Queenslayer!

Do you guys think he will have one or both of the dragons as companions?

Why discuss the endings made by two showrunners who only wanted out and the show to end?

Arya is the prince that was promised, she killed the night king and the only stark who’s wolf had a persons name, not any name but a princess name.

Where is ghost?

I take Jon's lineage as this- a secret as Ned feared Robert having him killed. Ned unlike some of his kids was actually good at keeping secrets. Just a necessity. The importance of his lineage- a song of ice and fire. Jon is the balance in this story. He fights to save the world from ice (the night king) and from fire (Dany). Readers/watchers just focused on the ice part ignoring how a land of eternal summer would be just as devastating as one of eternal ice. In the end Dany had Drogon as her only protection and that dragon trusted Jon. I see his ending as a happy one. The wall is for cripples, bastards and broken things- that's not him anymore. The wildlings love him and they have a decent shot of being a people of mercy. They witnessed the undead more than westeros. This could be a time to move forward and work together. I also think it'll be an end to the years of winter and summer making the land less hostile. He may not ever be crowned but he's the king beyond the wall

Jon's heritage didn't amount to anything? It was the catalyst to the entire story and to its ending. Him being a secret Targaryen arguably destroys Dany's belief in her own destiny. She now knows that Jon has a valid claim and all the problems come from there. It is not like in traditional fantasy stories where being a secret heir to a kingdom is somehow a problem solver but rather it creates problems and issues between the characters and that's why it's great.

@sophiawilson8696

3 жыл бұрын

Great is not word!! Listen I understand what they trying do and that is 😏 NOT BE like Lord of Rings angle. They needed to do two seasons to explain it more. This was sadly and rushly done.

He went beyond the wall because thats where he was happiest and everyone got their fairy tale ending lol

@sophiawilson8696

3 жыл бұрын

Please! It was rushed!! There no happy endings 😦

@Vorusen

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophiawilson8696 sansa-fairy tale ending being the queen of the north Bran- fairy tale ending becoming the king Bron- fairy tale ending becoming lord of jigh garden and master of coin (lmao fucking wut) Tyrion- fairy tale ending becoming hand of the king, what he was always best at Jon- fairy tale ending going north with wildlings Cersie/jamie- sad fairy tale ending dying together Dothraki- fairy tale ending coming to a new land to conquer and end up being accepted Unsullied- fairy tale ending leaving westerose to go to an island to love (which is filled with poisonous butterflies that are deadly to the unsullied) Its like they asked whats the cleanest way to end this and not make anyone sad and ended up ruining the entire series

News incoming, drogon found Jon, the one true king, the one true dragon rider, and flew back to westeros and claimed what was his!

Hbo still didn't revealed about the sign that was seen in the north of the wall in episode 1 of season 1 , made out of dead people

If the Army of the dead destroyed the Wall and Wildlings did not want to leave up North in harsh environment, thn banishing John Snow to Nights Watch did not make sense. The ending was not thought thru and was huriedly made up to somehow bring to conclusion this Great Series.

The white wall has to say cos the Wights might come back. You never know lol

I like to think he’s the king beyond the wall or of the wildings

I give you the queen slayer

Last episode spoiled the whole GOT

If he was truly just Jon Snow, everyone would have kept him with him but after The Mad King and unfortunately Daenerys' horrifying act of mass murder nobody was actually ready to take the risk of having a Targeryn with them. Jon aka Aegon was smoothly removed from the entire scenario of Westeros by Sansa with her clever mind and thus she apologized him because Jon was her true brother always. Jon needs to be somewhere with his own authority so his lineage will grow there and hopefully won't come back to Westeros. It's a smart narrative but sad and definitely undeserving

Jon had to be a Targaryan to fulfill the prince who was promised prophacy.

😂😂in the end the decedent of Starks were blessed and they rule all .

He should’ve traveled with Arya west, as her vice captain

Why do we need a nights watch?

What hsppened to sansa

so we know that legality ranks lower than legimacy

Be glad you gotta a show from the book A game of thrones.

Wouldn't it have been awesome if while Jon Snow was free in the North with the wildlings. He was given a couple dragon eggs from the children of the forest. The eggs hatch because of him and the magic in his blood. We find out that John is fireproof just like Daenerys and maybe that's why the dragon didn't even burn him at King's landing. The free folk could become dragon riders, where the free folk in the dragons can roam free now and forever. :-)

Easy one... Life beyond the wall is so simple...

I think u forget. The nights watch basically ended, because there was no reason to have the watch if there was nothing to defend. As well the real reason Jon went to the north was because he always admired Mance Raider, and Jon became the leader of the free folk in the north

@matorchiana

3 жыл бұрын

It has a symbolism that Jon is dressed in the black cape, just as Mance Raider in the books wears his old Night's Watch cape patched with red silk, Jon is the new Mance another who leaves the Wall to be King Beyond the Wall....

@colbyturner9573

3 жыл бұрын

@@matorchiana see everyone? This man here is my brother of the nights watch.

@sophiawilson8696

3 жыл бұрын

No he is not King beyond the wall!!!!

@colbyturner9573

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophiawilson8696 yes he is. He went north of the wall because he felt more at home there and he wanted to be like Mance Straider. It makes perfect sense. Bet u just finished watching GoT. Also think about it, Jon went north to find the wildlings, than he became one and let them through the wall. He fell in love with Yigritte, became king in the north, united the north clans and wildlings, led the wildlings, defeated his enemies and more. He earned the trust and respect of the wildlings. The ginger guy (forgot his name) didn't want to become the leader And rather chose Jon. It makes perfect sense.

@sophiawilson8696

3 жыл бұрын

@@colbyturner9573 He is NOT King of the Free Folks.

He should have been the fucking king period

The land beyond the wall 250 years into the future is called now" The Independent Confederate Free-States of Northland"! Ruled now by King John Targarian 2nd of his name son of the previous ruler Queen Ygrit Targarian 3rd of her name and her husband a powerful rich son of the low king of Thenns a nobleman of renown reputation of money once his people were considered "Wildlings" aka- free folk. The current King is a decent of John Snow ,son of Raeghar Targarian and Lyssa Stark. The capitol if Northland is " The Far Fist or simply called The Fist" a sophisticated cosmopolitan with a population of over half a million people. Not all were human? Plus Giants and Mammoth's half returned and population has thrived since the great winter war ended. Also regular scaled dragons and Ice dragons,children still exist

Duty; Honor; Country !

Isn’t this a dumb question? Beyond the wall he might have a future. At the wall he doesn’t.

I want another season. It's really just a temporary peace until war breaks lose again. I think some houses were just afraid to go against Bran's coronation. Maybe some don't like a woman Ruling the North. And I'm sure some don't like the fact that the north governs itself. Maybe another "Night King"-like enemy surfaces. Maybe Bran will get assassinated and he just lets it happen because he doesn't really give a fuck. Or Arya discovers super strong enemies in the west that would need westeros and essos' combined forces to fight. They would need Jon's help, maybe drogon will accept Jon as his master since He's the last Targaryen. Or maybe Daenny is still alive pregnant with Jon's son.

What we previously saw from the he city Dany destroyed, they were not innocent. They were vile.

jon snow a queen slayer

I don't understand why everyone is suddenly calling Daenerys "Evil" when her actions during the latter half of season 8 were perfectly justifiable, when you look at everything that happened to her up to that point. First of all, she spent six seasons just surviving in Essos, being "sold like a brood Mare, chained and whipped, raped and defiled," even choosing NOT to travel to Westeros to take King's Landing because she had realized that she hadn't even been a successful Queen in Meereen. During the sixth season she had a history with the Dothraki to atone for, and ended up winning over them all, after being treated as a slave by the Khal's, before returning triumphantly to Meereen to take control back from the Slavers once again. By the time she had set sail for Westeros, she had Tyrion as her hand, an Army of Unsullied, a Dothraki Horde, a fleet of ships, and three full grown Dragons. But, probably most importantly, she had secured the alliances of the Kingdom of Dorne, Highgarden, and the Iron Islands. All of which would accompany her at Dragonstone to prepare for her campaign to overthrow Cersei, and along comes some "King of the North" character begging for her help against an Army of dead people led by Ice Zombies. When she finally reluctantly agreed, she ended up losing almost everything, and by the time she had returned to Dragonstone, she had lost two of her three Dragons, her Dornish and Highgarden Allies, and virtually her entire Horde of Dothraki Screamers. And, that was BEFORE learning her new boyfriend was really her nephew, who had a more legitimate claim to the Throne, (whether he wanted it or not,) and his sisters plans behind her back with her own Hand Tyrion to depose her in favor of him. And then she watched a disgusting Pirate A-hole kill one of her two remaining Dragons and Cersei order her Queensguard "The Mountain" to behead her best friend and advisor Missandei. By the time she was ready to actually attack the Capitol, she had essentially lost almost everything she had gained, over the course of one season, it's really difficult to blame her for saying "Screw It!!" there, at the end lol I mean, it's far MORE inexplicable that anyone really expected her to maintain some sense of benevolence at ALL, after what she's been through! For real! What do people expect?!? 🤣 ANYBODY would go a little "Mad Queen," after enduring the repeated loss of everything she worked so long and hard to gain. When taken in its totality, in context, it's perfectly understandable her burning King's Landing to the ground, I submit. Just one thought of how she must have felt seeing Missandei being killed, right in front of her, just after her Dragon was literally speared out of the sky, again. And, that's only one episode after being betrayed by Winterfell, after sacrificing her entire Horde of Dothraki to protect them, it's really no WONDER she burned everything to the ground! A person can only take SO much abuse, before they're delivering a little abuse of their own back, in response. Anybody who was disappointed clearly didn't take any of these things into account, and had unreasonable, unrealistic expectations to begin with. Whatever the outcome with Jon or Arya, Sansa, or Bran. Whatever the outcome with Jaime and Cersei, the Mountain and the Hound. What happened with Daenerys is PERFECTLY justified, by any measure or standards. That much is CLEAR. 👍

@officialthomasjames

3 жыл бұрын

I’m fine with Dany going mad, it could have been great. However, the execution of it in Season 8 was atrocious. The writing is some of the worst I’ve ever seen.

@lukeskywalker7110

3 жыл бұрын

@@officialthomasjamesThey actually had been setting Dany up to go mad for the entirety of the show. People got caught up on her freeing people and forgot how she was actually doing it. My biggest problem with Season 8 is that they simply rushed the who damn thing. It was like D&D had better things to do than properly land GoT to the end of the runway. Seasons 7 and 8 should have both been 10 episodes.

@williamwhitfield6225

3 жыл бұрын

@@lukeskywalker7110 Dany’s story was never going to have a happy ending. She was a young girl who had control of three Dragons which is the equivalent of Nuclear arms in their world. Power like that always corrupts even the best of ppl with the best of intentions.

@lukeskywalker7110

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamwhitfield6225 Her intentions were always good. It was her methods which gave away the ending...

@Louis-si4ci

3 жыл бұрын

Thank God someone else who has some common sense I was with her n Drogon all the way!!! After what she went through I think she deserved abit more understanding......

He went beyond the wall because he’s the night king

“What was the purpose in his lineage”?…well you see competent writers would ask themselves the same question.

Jon Snow KING BEYOND THE WALL

The dragon would have killed him if not a being a Targerean

I’m normally against retconning anything, however, this ending is so bad that I’d be happy for HBO to do Season Nine and resurrect Daenerys when Drogon brings her to the red priestess Daenerys met a few seasons ago and for Jon to discover the army of the dead is somehow still around and when the Night King smashed to pieces he simply transferred his essence into Bran and now rules the seven kingdoms.

@SerbAtheist

3 жыл бұрын

The ending is perfect. If you wanna write some fanfic for yourself, go right ahead.

@williamwhitfield6225

3 жыл бұрын

@@SerbAtheist The ending was shit, because the writing leading up to it sucked ass.

IMO Tyrion really “won” GoT. Hand of the King, to a king who will be “away with the fairies” most of the time.

He wanted to find another wildling gf duh

I still think the ending was utter BS

I hope Drogon finds Jon and fries him. I loved Dani, and hoped both would be together on the throne. So disappointed. Bran/Raven is evil.

why did he go beyond the wall? i dunno. maybe if you watched the fucking ending it might help..could be wrong.

no

That was a bad ending

Because Martin didn’t write it. The Dave’s fucked up the series. Also he could claim the north of the wall, he is still the King north of the wall.

Don't try to give it a silver lining. Season 8 was character breaking and damages for multiple characters. We should be able to see season 8 as the nonsense it is. As an arguable insult to both Jon and Dany he left her alone and wouldn't comfort her when she supposedly needed it in order not to go crazy. Like I said, nonsense and should be seen as such. I know you are trying to give season 8 a friendly spin but it is unworthy of your efforts.

@SerbAtheist

3 жыл бұрын

Season 8 is awesome. You repeated posts show a complete lack of understanding of the story and the themes of the show.

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

@@SerbAtheist "Season 8 is awesome." This statement could be taken as a sign of drug use. As for season 8, whatever passes "themes" for it is highly debate. And even if they aren't the ridiculous ones people noticed they are still undercut by by the nonsense and character breaking in season 8.

@SerbAtheist

3 жыл бұрын

@@pplr1 Naah, it's you guys who have serious psychological problems. Worshipping a tyrant who spouts insane things like ''They can live in my new world or die in the old world'' and then insisting it's out of character when this tyrant starts roasting the people of KL. Raging that you received 'only' 73 1hr episodes of movie-level production, very much out-Miserying even Misery herself. Believing that the best way to redeem yourself is to kill the mother of your unborn child. Foaming at the mouth that the living embodiment of wisdom got chosen to be the king. Foaming at the mouth that a character didn't receive as cruel of a death as you imagined she deserved. Combing over every little thing D&D ever said just so you could pile on them in this obsessive rage of yours. Still being obsessed over a show you allegedly hate so much even though it's already been almost 2 years since it ended. Did I miss anything?

@pplr1

3 жыл бұрын

​@@SerbAtheist So you prefer slavery then? The quote ''They can live in my new world or die in the old world'' is referring to slavery and that Daenerys is trying to end it. Also I doubt an actual "tyrant" would make Meereen a democracy in season six like Daenerys did. And that was after freeing slaves and setting some level of rights that individuals had. Yes it is out of character to ignore Cersei Lannister in order to go after random people on the street-that is what is portrayed in the nonsensical burning of King's Landing. If the situation was made to be in character then Dany may go for Cersei and ignore the random people on the street-remember the actual Daenerys didn't kill the slaves for things the slave masters did. It is also utterly ridiculous and illogical for most anyone in the situation portrayed to ignore Cersei to go after random people on the street. Bran is not wisdom. He is indifference and selfishness made flesh. He doesn't care if people live or die-including after he is king and they are his people. In addition to that there is evidence in season 8 that Bran arranged the burning of King's Landing making him a mass murderer. Now such evidence may exist simply because of how inept the writers are but you are the one who said season 8 is great or "awesome". That is what the details in it point to. One other thing about wisdom. If it ever does get personified I wouldn't expect it to be in the fantasy version of 1984's Big Brother. On a side note that is some heavy duty reinforcement to The Wheel. "Foaming at the mouth that a character didn't receive as cruel of a death as you imagined she deserved." So you wanted Cersei to have a happy ending? Ok then. "Combing over every little thing D&D ever said just so you could pile on them" Maybe if what D and D said wasn't ridiculous and self-contradicting it wouldn't be meme worthy. "Did I miss anything?" Yes. Judging from what you said just now you missed a great deal. One of the themes that could be taken from season 8 is that things would be fine if the serfs just accepted their place and let their betters-who are only their betters due to bloodlines or have good connections to people with notable bloodlines-run everything without the serfs' well being in mind. Not exactly the most valuable message. I'm sure one of the themes about women was also less than ideal. This being to to rule a woman has to be dishonest, dishonorable, strip herself of being concerned for others, and then ask the correct male figure for a kingdom please was also not the most valuable message. Gotta love the image where everyone who isn't white is some kinda Nazi-because that is just such a good image to keep in mind if in the real world any group of people was ever disrespected or distrusted for their skin color or ethnic group. Then there is the whole disgraceful speech that attempts to put real world victims of the Nazis in similar status as rapists and child killers (the "evil men"). I'm sure there are other themes people drew from season 8 that are just as negative. I think I already managed to hit on the most cynical.. That those who want to help others or are trying to change the world to be more positive are the bad guys. Thus people should just embrace their overlords no matter how corrupt they are and how little they care for their own people. What a message to give to the world..

Darth Vader.....

Total B.S. Jon for screwed, not two ways about it. The ending sucked end of story.

The last 2 and a half seasons were stupid and didn't halfway make sense, like when stannis attacks the freefolk and mance, how the hell did he get 10k troops through the wall? Lol

Hopefully the books don't end like the shit show

Jon’s ending was honestly not bad, the execution was just terrible.

@jacobangulo6573

3 жыл бұрын

jon's ending was terrible

I don't have a problem with Jon going 'beyond the wall' if it was *his choice*. What angers me is that he was *banished* as punishment after all he did to save everyone. I would rather have seen it play out like this - he kills the mad cow, is acknowledged as the rightful heir to the throne, is lauded by all for his deeds but *declines* (or abdicates) so that he can finally live the life he wants. I think the character deserved that. And I think his fans deserved that sort of pay-off too.

@glowhoo9226

3 жыл бұрын

You’re taking the word banished too literally. Bran banishing Jon was just a formality. Greyworm left and took the unsullied and dothraki with him. Not many people would care if Jon came back, and greyworm would never know. Bran also has no jurisdiction over the nights watch anymore, since it’s in the north, which is ruled by Sansa. If Jon wants to come back to winterfell I doubt Sansa would stop him. Plus bran knew Jon was more comfortable with the free folk. They never judged him and treated him like family.

@matorchiana

3 жыл бұрын

@@glowhoo9226 Jon knew that the throne of the North being a Targaryen did not correspond to him, being King of the 6 kingdoms and being in Kings Landing with all his lies he did not want it either, to return to the Night's Watch where his brothers betrayed and killed him. ... it doesn't say it in chapter 4 either, it is better to be part of the free town with Ghost by his side ....

Fire and blood! Daenerys will be revived trough dragon magic and will come back with an army of dragons, she will exterminate her enemies and she will finally rule.

The writing was so so stupid. Who the hell is greyworm that the last Tagaryan, with strong Stark blood, with brother and sister as rulers of two kingdoms, who the hell is a greyworm without a d**k, that can drive Jon out of the Kingdom into the wild. Who the hell is greyworm, how did the writing descend to such crap...

How was she evil and unfit to rule? She did nothing I haven't seen men do all throughout history.