I agree with Prof. Hattie. Inquiry-based learning and teaching may sound impressive, but when used inappropriately, it fails to achieve anything. It is particularly true when it comes to literacy learning. When some kids are struggling with articulating a sentence, inquiry-based learning is simply counterproductive.

I am looking at this from a coaching perspective to look at what you said and make comparisons based on what comes into my mind about inquiry based learning. The power of inquiry-based learning is that when people come up with their own Solutions they are much more emotionally connected and personally invested in taking actions on those Solutions. Also, they can become aware of whatthey know already. So for example if in coaching there is a process called non-directive coaching where you help a person by reflecting what they say so they can become conscious of their own process, ask questions so they can make new decisions and change old thought processes into new choices. Often when someone just tells someone the answer or give someone advice they are not personally connected to the advice and they forget the answer and they don't take action on it. In this video you are saying that inquiry-based learning doesn't work if you introduce it too early. It depends on what the subject matter is. If you're asking an opinion question about somebody's life they will have their own answer. However if you ask someone a fact question such as what is the capital of California and they never heard that answer before of course they're not going to be able to answer that question. In that case of course you would have to teach that fact based information first and then inquire to see if the students remembered what you have taught already. In coaching this is the difference between giving advice and asking questions about what someone wants to do. If someone comes up with their own answers they're much more likely to be personally invested. But giving advice backfires because people often forget it as soon as it said. I understand that this video is more about education than coaching but it just reminded me about comparing learning and coaching. So thank you for indulging me in this inquiry in my own head about the differences. I appreciate it.

It depends on what you mean by Inquiry Based Learning. For example, PIAGETIAN PROGRAMS ranks very highly on Hattie's scale, and this is where we look at how students understandings develop from the Concrete to the Abstract. Hattie asserts you should give the students the vocab first, but I would challenge that. Based on Piaget's own work, I would advocate that students must first experience the phenomenon to be studied in the actual, the concrete, first. THEN, when they see what is actually happening [and in doing so maybe lose some of their misconceptions] they are equipped to have the vocabulary and deeper understanding attached to what they have experienced. I think Hattie is probably correct in the Inquiry by itself ranks fairly lowly [except in developing process skills where Bredderman's research gives it a rating of 0.52] but in the 5E's pedagogical model used by the Australian Science Academy it comprises only the first two steps [Engage and Explore] The third step, Explain, is where the students will build on what they have experienced.

About ten years ago, about the time I started being an admin, I came to the conclusion that I wasn't going to play "no true Scotsman" with educational theories anymore. I loved PBL. It's not effective for most teachers and most situations, probably because they're "doing it wrong," but the results are the results. Inquiry is the same. Put it in the situations where it shows consistent results, and don't try to force it everywhere by claiming that if we could just get the teachers doing it correctly, we'd see results.

@NeraizeI

2 жыл бұрын

Hello from the future, I think you raise awesome points about the pressure to stick to what has worked. I was wondering, by PBL were you referring to project-based learning or positive behaviour for learning?

@DangRenBo

2 жыл бұрын

@@NeraizeI Where I'm from and in the international schools I've been at across several countries, PBS is positive behavioral support and PBL is project-based learning.

@jefftaylor8320

2 жыл бұрын

As a teacher we are often given ineffective strategies to use and then when the results are subpar instead of admin admitting it didn't work they often blame us and it's one of the many reasons so many are leaving education. I'm glad you didn't fall in to that trap. Most admins just follow whatever they are told is best and "researched based" without question. Why are admins so quick to blame teachers and label us ineffective instead of considering maybe they were just wrong.

This is the issue with social sciences research / educational research. Many schools will look at the results in a table with figures and conclude, we do not need collaborative learning or enquiry based learning as it’s a waste of time. What Hattie elaborated on just now can be applied to any of his research findings - is small class size of little impact or is it of little impact in isolation? There are so many different variables that can lead to students’ progress that it’s quite dangerous to be making simplified statements on what works and what doesn’t. We don’t often look into the methodology. There are many papers that quote the effectiveness of Technique A while the actual samples were taken from science subjects rather than modern foreign languages or history. Subjects are different, students are different...personally, I think that the number of variables that can impact on quantitative progress data means that the conclusions should be cautious and treated as food for thought rather than “This works, this doesn’t.” In the end of the day, teachers should have the autonomy to trial and implement whatever they see works best for their particular classes, their subjects and them as educators. One size fits all approaches in the education sector simply does it work. Putting all teachers and all subjects under one umbrella of “teaching” (this is how you should teach) is like putting hospital cleaners, receptionists, HR managers, doctors, nurses, estates managers, catering staff and paramedics one umbrella of “working” (this is how you should work)

Too many teachers and 'educational experts' do not truly understand the concept of inquiry based learning, and this is a prime example. Inquiry is not another 'subject' or something you set aside time for in the day. You do not TEACH inquiry, you teach THROUGH inquiry, and more than any other style of learning, allows you to not only seek out the surface content and information, but it directly relates on a deep level, through problem solving and relation. Its real world stuff. As human beings, we inquire and follow an inquiry cycle everyday, therefore building strong inquiry skills in children from a young age, better prepares them for innovation in the real world, than any other form of learning. Proper inquiry based learning has proven higher results in children, as they are able to learn and practice standard skills such as reading, writing, math, etc, through the inquiry cycle, of understanding queries or topics which have relevance and are engaging to them.

IBL is terrible. Its ruined my college experience and makes it very hard for me to enjoy math. They basically just expect me to know things that we never learned.

@zaidiftikhar8971

4 жыл бұрын

Yea you are right, Hattie would agree that introducing IBL when students don't even have the required content knowledge renders that pedagogical model useless.

@aeaeaenn7626

3 жыл бұрын

Same -.-

In this video, John Hattie, a self-confessed 'evidence based guy', asserts that inquiry learning works once the student has enough 'vocabulary'. I like the guy, I like his evidence-based approach, but I can't like him making assertions that are just as evidence-less as the research he criticizes. There are no facts that prove that 'inquiry learning' works once students have sufficient (whatever that is) 'vocabulary'. No. Facts. No. Evidence. I understand that mr. Hattie is a bit embarrassed to find that a people's favourite such as inquiry learning is played down in his meta-analyses. Yet it should make him think about the - limited - value of this meta-analytic approach, rather than make him invent provisioned 'repairs' to popular beliefs.

learning is haaard

Hattie assumes kids/students/people are empty vessels to begin with

@readingwithmissk6832

Жыл бұрын

They are most of the time when it comes to educational and learning skills and more and more students coming to school with quite limited vocabulary.

there are huge problems with a consistent definition of inquiry or problem based learning in the research - it called the "Jingle Fallacy" then in any case the meta analyses Hattie cites shows hughe variations in the effect sizes of the studies, many studies show effect sizes of 0.80 or more which in Hattie's terms are "High Impact" see details here - visablelearning.blogspot.com/p/problem-based-learning.html