All I have to say is Ermes. He went from struggling pulling against wild horse to beating Dave Chaffee because of PEDs. That’s not a little gain. That’s a big jump

@Gabriel.gt17

Жыл бұрын

If you think he wasn't in gears before you're completely delusional. (Sorry if I misunderstood the comment)

@BuJammy

Жыл бұрын

@@Gabriel.gt17 I think that was his point, wasn't it? That there if you're losing just taking more will often do the trick.

@wesleyb1458

Жыл бұрын

Yeah ermes looks like a different human being now. He ate his old self for a snack

@nevtose9335

Жыл бұрын

he lost because he was not experienced enough in the WAL. The rules are very different from the WAF, and in a match between two top rollers with similar strength, experience makes all the difference.

@lorenzomagri143

Жыл бұрын

Because of PEDs, diet, trainings and genetics, like everybody on high level. If you have to say something, say it all 😉

The single best, unarguable example of how much steroids help is Levan. The man is amazing and genetically gifted in the fact that his frame can support that growth, and hyper responds to steroids. But the fact still remains that he didn't become as dominant until he upped his doses and calories and grew over 320+ pounds. Now he has become untouchable. Size and steroids 100% matter greatly, if you have the genetics to respond properly. Edit: I'm not taking anything away from Levan. He's technically amazing and genetically blessed, but he wouldn't be what he is if steroids didn't matter.

@quintessence1343

Жыл бұрын

True, if devon didn't take huge amounts of steroids for his match with levan he wouldn't have gained so much strength and would've lost to prudnik.

@flachzange1980

Жыл бұрын

I mean, if you want to compete with the elites especially in Super Heavyweight thats what you have to do. Take a look at the eastern side this weekend and also west. There are just a few left who doesnt take it.

@vladgor4099

Жыл бұрын

@@quintessence1343 you think prudnik isn’t on steroids? Don’t be stupid LOL Devon is just better and stronger then prudnik

@himothy1722

Жыл бұрын

@@quintessence1343 another example of different individual responses. Devon only gained 6 - 8 pounds on his cycle for Levan. But also he has to be a bit more careful due to prior DVT too, I think. Could be more hazardous to push the dosages for him since he's already been prone to blood clots.

@jonb2756

Жыл бұрын

@@quintessence1343 Prudnyk juices also, he just got smashed by the better arm wrestler.

I know exactly why Brzenk underplays PED's and its because he's basing it on his own experience and since he started taking them at age 41 he would have seen much less of a response to them in terms of gaining mass and power as somebody who started taking them in their 20's. Although starting PED's at age 41 has its downside it also has an upside that Brzenk is taking advantage of. By starting at age 41 its allowing him to extend his career, its not a coincidence he's 58 years old and still elite on the world stage.

@jedsteelwell2354

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty impressive what he did all those years without them

@dampdigits

Жыл бұрын

💯💯

@TC-by3il

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he's underselling it. PEDs will without a doubt make you a much better armwrestler. There's a variety of things these guys take and it's not just the increased mass that helps, their strength increases way above natural limits as well. Powerlifters who compete in weight classes still manage to take anabolics and keep their weigh within range. And as you alluded to, pretty safe bet that if Brenzk stopped taking TRT, he wouldn't be able to compete at the level he is right now. The man is a legend, but he's wrong on this one.

@evokaiyo

Жыл бұрын

Besides genetics, quality of the PEDs, what type(s) you are taking, dosage and even how you are cycling them also matter very much. Someone who is only on TRT prescribed, won't see as much difference as someone who is cycling through various quality European manufactured PEDs and knows what they are doing

@snekh8r

Жыл бұрын

@@TC-by3il J's are allowed to lie in life by the Talmud. I'd wager he always took them. He is a company man.

It absolutely matters, let's not kid ourselves

I was arms reach at a UAL event when John beat Mike Todd and spoke of retirement… he said… and I quote…” if I keep doing what it takes to be at this level it’s gonna kill me”.. as a guy with my thoughts, this stuck with me. So if it is only a measly percentage why Fisk “killing “ yourself. These conversations are never honest by users because fear credit goes to compound and not ability… but that’s just. It’s way more impactful than they admit. INCREDIBLE GAINS… just look at bodybuilding pre 50s and now… same difference.

@tiergeist2639

Жыл бұрын

You are right

@srsav3kkknosk1llsen

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this comment, very insightful.

I'd honestly love to see a all clean League and see who is naturally the most gifted arm wrestler.

@martinbaranyi2129

Жыл бұрын

WAF is clean, proven by the fact that they actually ban armwrestlers if they fail drug tests.

Just look at Ermes, he's gained over 40 kilos in like 2 years. You can see he's going the Denis Path. Hopefully he doesn't end in the hospital as well.

@YFun-ux5rs

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think his frame can support the size of Levan. Denis at 140 was much leaner then Ermes at 130. Same with Morozov, he has abs while weighing 130-135.

@yannickcolot2319

Жыл бұрын

@@YFun-ux5rs denis was not leaner at 140 what are you talking about?

@mk-19memelauncher65

Жыл бұрын

@@YFun-ux5rs morozov in 5 years will be freaky

@mk-19memelauncher65

Жыл бұрын

@@YFun-ux5rs what happened to ermes head and face is a tragedy, morozov's frame is just insane he will definitely beat ermes around 5 years from now

@YFun-ux5rs

Жыл бұрын

@@yannickcolot2319 Obviously I don't know their actual bodyfat numbers but Ermes looks more bloated and not as defined compared to peak Denis. Even their faces are quite different, Denis had a fairly chiseled face whereas Ermes looks like a balloon about to pop. Don't get me wrong, Ermes is a fucking beast and he is prob #2 currently but I think he's very close to his ceiling whereas guys like Artem can surpass that both because he's younger and has a larger frame to pack on more functional weight.

Levan, Ermes, Dimitry, Vitaly, Denis, Arsen, Irakli. All those dudes wouldn’t perform half as good as they do now without gear!

@yannickcolot2319

Жыл бұрын

as a ermes fan I can only agree with you. but almost everyone takes PED so the strongest wi s in the end ( Levan)

@wagonwrench9497

Жыл бұрын

@@yannickcolot2319 oh yeah I know. Everyone is on gear including Brzenk! I was just disagreeing with John. John says the gear only helps a little bit. But I would say that gear has helped the individuals I listed tremendously.

@DROPTINE

Жыл бұрын

I have been saying this for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FACTS.

@Ggeorge360

Жыл бұрын

where is Devon lol

@wagonwrench9497

Жыл бұрын

@@Ggeorge360 true true. He belongs in there too!

Most of the top are already doing it. The strength gain is way more than 2%.

John is such a genuine human being

@StephenDoty84

Жыл бұрын

He says his personality is 'all natural'.

It does make a huge difference if you're already technically sound and have a decent build with above average genetics. Plus some people like Levan are hyper responders and gain crazy amount of size and strength. But as John said, it comes at a cost as the quality of life you lead outside arm wrestling wouldn't be very good.

@rjharrold2907

Жыл бұрын

Yes it all depends on the situation From the interview you can tell John doesn't really know anything about different compounds and what they would really do for performance so I'm just guessing hes on like test only really

@jedsteelwell2354

Жыл бұрын

@@rjharrold2907 yeah Brzenk ain't really even juicing compared to what lots of these guys are doing! He's honestly taking what lots of older guys take that don't compete in anything

@rjharrold2907

Жыл бұрын

@@jedsteelwell2354 Yeah just trt doses is what I would expect really He really just doesn't know about it

@tiergeist2639

Жыл бұрын

Hyper,hyper i hear this a lot these days. The noobs dont know it any better. HGH boys.......look for example denis hands when he was still young. Completely normal handy. Now look at them, mutated! And dont even look at his face...dont wanna knkw what hormones they take on the east part and russia.....dangerous stuff! Thats for sure.

@oldironsides4107

Жыл бұрын

He’s playing a fool. He’s been in Armwrestling for almost 40 years talking to every top guy ever and he’s pretending to not know anything about steroids. That’s absolutely ridiculous

John you’re a a great guy but don’t be delusional about steroids

@VincentsVideoVisions

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for speaking for a guy who has infinitely more experience than you

@TstanDa-Man

Жыл бұрын

@@VincentsVideoVisionswhat does that have to do with him ignoring the benefits of steroids. Don’t be butt hurt or a dummy like John is being

@txblades1

Жыл бұрын

@@VincentsVideoVisions I love all you arm wrestler hard core fans that stick up for your heroes. You are all so cute.

@richardbooker2782

11 ай бұрын

John really is delusional, which is sad.

@amxmachine

9 ай бұрын

​@@txblades1i love all you steroid accusing freaks. You think everyone takes them because either your genetics suck which is a small, small, very small percentage of people, or you were a crackbaby which is not your fault, or you dont have the discipline to get strong. Most people that take steroids have no business getting on them because they never reached the natural peak.

You can tell John doesn't really know much about PEDs and he's probably been natural for years and maybe TRT now. You'd need someone to talk like Levan, maybe Chaffee, cyplenkov or Ermes etc. But for sure a few months on tren or 500mg test your side pressure should evolve even higher while not necessarily gaining weight if your calories are in check.

@serginho6837

Жыл бұрын

John admitted to juicing heavy yo get to 250 for the Devan match

@Alex-1750

Жыл бұрын

he jumped on gear after losing to Voevoda Hence what is widely considered as his prime started the year after. I believe I’ve heard him saying so actually

@beemrmem3

Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-1750 yes, his face was about to explode from all the gear Vegas 2006. Lol

@Aleksi723

Жыл бұрын

Why you point out those names? You could just say every top 20 guys pretty much knows about those even john himself. Its just who is going to be most open about it. John is a old man and he needs to juice more to keep up with the young ones. Devon pushing 50 his dick wont even get hard without it. They all know pretty damn well about peds trust me.

@mikepal830

Жыл бұрын

I don't care what physical sport you play, PEDs will have a significant impact on your performance. Arm wrestling is no different. I don't know if John was playing dumb or just totally naive.

PEDs don’t just give you mass, different substances can improve strength, reduce recovery time, reduce fat, improve stamina, and improve the psychological sense of one’s own strength. I think John knows this but has a hard time accepting it because he was so dominant as a natty and even now is only on TRT afaik. To him, it helps maintain more than gain. But for others, it’s like night and day. Prudnik is another good example. After a cycle, he he’s a different man. Voevoda is another example. If you took PEDs away from these guys, they would not be the same, not even close.

@bizmonkey007

Жыл бұрын

PEDs can completely overhaul an athlete and bring them to a new level. Just look at MMA. Guys like Vitor Belfort became absolute monsters on TRT. As soon as they banned TRT he came back a shell of himself.

@Aleksi723

Жыл бұрын

No point of crying about Peds and cycle sizes. They all take it and its fair game for all of them. Older guys are taking high dose just to stay strong. I mean most of these dudes wont even have hard dick without it.

@neverstoppulling5169

Жыл бұрын

But armwrestling isn’t about muscle strength, it’s about tendons and joints / bones.. steroids don’t help with tendons ..

@TheGodofZilla

Жыл бұрын

@@neverstoppulling5169 Saying it's not about muscle strength is beyond stupid. Look at before and after pics of Levan. Tell me now that PEDs don't help. He's the most dominant arm wrestler on the planet and it's all because he juices. No denying he's a genetic freak to be able to even handle the level of PEDs he's on but to act as if muscles don't help is wild. Go tell that to Devon who had to juice to his limits to even face Levon because of his sheer strength. Arm wrestling is about ALL strength period. You can have amazing tendons, bones, joints etc. but if you don't have muscle mass to move those parts and out muscle your opponents you will never reach the top. By your logic a lightweight could take on Levon and win. Use your brain.

@neverstoppulling5169

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGodofZilla PEDs like growth hormone, bpc 157, tb500 help yes. Steroids are not as big of a deal as they are made out to be though.

I mean, they've worked amazingly for Ermes

Funny that John thinks steroids has no effect... Alexy Voevoda says John is WRONG!!!! LMAO!!!!

@wisepalaz

28 күн бұрын

You have a link? Clearly steroids have a massive effect on every athlete, John is wrong here.

@michaeltrumph121

21 күн бұрын

John is roided to the gills, has been since he lost to Voevoda. He bulked up a lot around 2005-2006. He's just lying here to preserve his legacy.

There is no competetive armwrestler that is not taking steroids. For example in WAF where anti doping is a thing, starting at 55 kg to 110+ in every single weith class almost all favorite guys are on peds, imagine in every weight class u have to face : gifted genetics mixed with years of work and tons of roids. does not matter how gifted and dedicated u are, without tanking as much peds as them u are not winning against them.

@strategygames5038

Жыл бұрын

What do you think about Ongarbaev how the hell he is natural. Do you think he was natural when he and his team were planning to win against Levan?

I seriously doubt that Denis and Levan would have become what they are, without steroids. I think John is missing the fact that some substances can also alter your bone structure, in addition to increasing muscle mass.

@Sothpawman

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Levan was actually quite slender in frame before he became this abomination you see now.

@pauldejohn8710

Жыл бұрын

There is nothing that can change your bone structure or tendon attachments. You can gain strength and size from the drugs but only if you're training and eating. Because of the amount of red blood cells going up and greater availability of n.o in the blood you get better pumps good for bodybuilding not for armwrestling. Some people are just made out of somthing else and they super respond to gear but truly that is not the norm.

@silvihome6975

Жыл бұрын

I guarantee you Denis would be a nobody without roids, he was good but still not elite before the juice. He is a huge responder just like Levan is. Not hating, just facts

@johankaruyan5536

Жыл бұрын

@@silvihome6975 he got number one in his local arm wrestling tournament when he was a teenager

@portrail1854

Жыл бұрын

@silvihome it's good manipulation to call your assumptions facts

John is such a good human being I suspect he’s thinking of avoiding influencing young guys to jump on gear and damage their health.

@OneDerscoreOneder

10 ай бұрын

Damn if that’s part of his consideration it really does make him seem like a great guy

@michaeltrumph121

21 күн бұрын

John is roided to the gills, has been since he lost to Voevoda. He bulked up a lot around 2005-2006. He's just lying here to preserve his legacy.

They all use steroids (at the elite level and even way below probably). It makes a huge difference but steroids don’t make a good armwrestler, it takes a lot of dedication and also genetics. That said nobody could ever reach the elite without PDs, but 95% (or more) of people couldn’t reach the elite even with all steroids in the world

If U think John was natty untill 44...sorry but thats a bit dum thinking. Gains aint everything.

Lol, "not that much different than what they were"? Look at ermes, levan ect. Steroids make a huge difference. For example ermes. He lost horribly to matt mask and now he just destroyed chaffee 3-0 after bulking to nearly 300 pounds from steroids. That's a huge difference. Lol, look at morozov also. The dude is only 24 and gained that much mass and strength already.

@wesleyb1458

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the level those guys are on John has never dabbled with. It makes them different human beings

@OneDerscoreOneder

10 ай бұрын

I think John is just being humble and nice about it. But also I think that John would probably say that a natural 200 lb guy vs enhanced 200 lb guy wouldnt be too different from each other (i.e equalize for weight)

@michaeltrumph121

21 күн бұрын

@@wesleyb1458 John is roided to the gills, has been since he lost to Voevoda. He bulked up a lot around 2005-2006. He's just lying here to preserve his legacy.

@michaeltrumph121

21 күн бұрын

@@OneDerscoreOneder John is roided to the gills, has been since he lost to Voevoda. He bulked up a lot around 2005-2006. He's just lying here to preserve his legacy.

It's not just about the moment you compete, it also affects the training capabilities and limits. No physical sport should allow steroids users mixed with natural athletes. There should be an EVERYTHING ALLOWED cathegory and a NATURAL cathegory, both being as transparent as possible

@danielhicks4826

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely man, that would be fantastic but I fear itl never ever happen sadly, and unlike this trans bs what you said actually makes 1000 percent perfect sense man!.

Can we appreciate the growth of Pradeep as a figure in the sport great content and very brave to tell the Goat that you disagree on some point hats off my friend

@danielhicks4826

11 ай бұрын

I dig Pradeep man cool dude and great channel content!.

But it's not a little bit extra, it's an insane amount of extra. It can be skeletal frame changes. Look at Levan

If the sport can add lighter weight classes and build up the interest in smaller guys, steroids/GH will be less important. That's already happening with the separation between the heavyweights and superheavies. We tuned in to see if Devon could rise to challenge Levan, but we're looking forward to seeing more matches at 253 or 265, etc. As new athletes arrive on the scene, we may look forward more to a 155lb championship than a Levan match. I think it will track the growth of the UFC which started with no weight classes and gradually added classes down to 125 lbs.

@txblades1

Жыл бұрын

Who the hell wants to see 2-125 humans arm wrestle? Not many.

Good interview Mr. Pradeep.. I would've gotten starstruck and wouldve forgot how to talk, I'd been a nervous wreck lol

I wouldn't expect John to be an expert in steroids, however, he is right in saying steroids wont help if there is no foundation. John was natural pretty much his whole career, built an excellent foundation, then only looked into TRT when old age became a bigger factor. He wanted to maintain what he had and in doing so it allowed him to extend his dominance well beyond most other arm wrestlers while staying healthy. I doubt you will see the likes of Levan or Ermes still at the top in the next 10 years let alone in their 60's because of health issues they'll have to combat from all the hardcore steroids.

@ldarm

Жыл бұрын

100% mate

@jedsteelwell2354

Жыл бұрын

Yup not worth it and it sets a bad example for younger guys.

@iZephiroth

Жыл бұрын

100% look at Larry Wheels or strongmen. They’re some of the strongest people in the world and yet they can’t compete on the same level with other armwrestlers with years of training under their belt. Fundamentals are key as well as specific training to strengthen tendons/ligaments.

@StephenDoty84

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you could tell the big difference between John in 2004 during "Pulling John" and him in 2006 vs. Pushkar, the supermatch.

@michaeltrumph121

21 күн бұрын

John is roided to the gills, has been since he lost to Voevoda. He bulked up a lot around 2005-2006. He's just lying here to preserve his legacy.

This is a great example of someone who should stay in the lane of expertise To say steroids won’t help or to say they only help 10% He’s either insecure about his own usage after 44 or truly has no idea about how steroids affect the body Just because there are people who use them and don’t get results you’d expect doesn’t mean they don’t help

@robertthompson176

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this is pure bullshit and I think John knows it. The strength component is arguably the biggest part of arm wrestling especially at a pro level and anabolics help massively. Banding about figures like 2 or 4% is either ignorant or just totally dishonest.

@michaeltrumph121

21 күн бұрын

John is roided to the gills, has been since he lost to Voevoda. He bulked up a lot around 2005-2006. He's just lying here to preserve his legacy.

I like your interview with John, you let him talk without interrupting him

I think maybe what John is getting at is it won't help a ton because with that strength gain comes a lot more weight so you have to go up against bigger guys now.

@robertgould9641

Жыл бұрын

So you would be better and stronger than your former natty self but you will go up in weight class.

@robertgould9641

Жыл бұрын

Edit- Pradeep says the same thing at 4:20. Hadn't finished the video yet. And I agree that if you're a non weight class guy it will be much more advantageous. That's why all the big guys are all on steroids if they are at the top.

@robertgould9641

Жыл бұрын

@neal cassady HGH is a hormone, not a steroid which what the subject was about. HGH is certainly helpful

@virginccyy7645

Жыл бұрын

@@robertgould9641 Hgh is a ped too just like steroids!

@robertgould9641

Жыл бұрын

@@virginccyy7645 I know it's a PED LOL I didn't say it wasn't. The question was about steroids in particular.

Thanks for asking him

Why did you end at the best part😂

Devon went from like 260 to 300 in like 5 months. That aint pancakes. Not to mention his head grew like 5 hat sizes like Barry Bonds.

You better ask all the European monsters about it

They help DRAMATICALLY ! lol it’s a huge benefit ! Dennis, levan, and all the other hulks went on gear for years and years ! They pushed their bodies beyond what they could do without juice. Of course without juice u can be a great arm wrestler but when you are in the elite level of arm wrestling, 1 percent can be the difference between winning and losing ! Steriods will help anyone in any sport by at least 20-30 percent of whatever u could do before ! It’s a very very beneficial thing. Guys are using 3000mg a week at the top level some more some less. And they are using HGH. This is jet fuel for arm wrestlers !

Lot of torn biceps happen. Muscles get stronger faster, but your tendons don't, they take a lot longer. So with all the force and different direction of movement when armwrestling. Tears can happen easily.

There is also the recovery aspect, allowing you to train more, recover more and do more diverse training

@Aleksi723

Жыл бұрын

Devon had 24 training session in a row before you typed this comment. 5% surely-

@neverstoppulling5169

Жыл бұрын

…. Steroids will not help you recover from armwrestling. Steroids do not help your tendons heal.. if you do steroids your muscles will be healed and you’ll still be spending days doing nothing waiting on your tendons

Great interviewer

John as great he is isnt really educated enough on PEDs to give a good answer. The best thing you get is that you recover 2-3x faster which means you can train 2-3x more. its a HUGE difference. plus you gain strength advantage aswell.

@terminator8767

11 ай бұрын

John knows it waay better then you npc.

@NPC-fg6up

11 ай бұрын

@@terminator8767 nope

@michaeltrumph121

21 күн бұрын

@@terminator8767 John is roided to the gills, has been since he lost to Voevoda. He bulked up a lot around 2005-2006. He's just lying here to preserve his legacy.

Well i guess in the competitive world of sports, you've got to do all this supplement to stay up there. But everyone still needs to work in their craft and follow the general consensus in the industry.

The fact that results in sports would be different if over-eating, training, and taking steroids would all somehow be banned and prevented is proof that over-eating, training and taking steroids just destroys the spirit of sports

Lots of people use peptides also now. BPC 157 is great for tendons strength. They is another that you take with that aswell but forgot what it is. Halotestin also does help with strength and rage. Rugby guys take that also.

I gotta say, I respect John’s opinion more than any other person in their respective sport, but as a former juice head myself (did multiple cycles in my 20s), the strength gains are MASSIVE. At the top levels, of course, more steroids aren’t going to necessarily make you start winning...BUT earlier in your career, you can absolutely skyrocket your progress miles and miles ahead of where you would be otherwise.

@haagenneldeberg6787

Жыл бұрын

Armwrestling specific strength is different. And that is what John knows

@OneDerscoreOneder

10 ай бұрын

Hey, I have a different opinion. I think he’s underplaying them just because he is being humble and doesn’t want to risk trash talking anyone else’s achievements. Its just more classy to avoid putting emphasis on steroids.

if u are same weight well 80kg with roids and no roids its still different, deca and stuff giving u hell of a strength

I am a regenerative doctor and PED do increase not only the strength of muscles but they increase the strength of tendons and ligaments and the repair of tendons and ligaments. They basically enhance the natural repair process that the body innately has. The interosseous attachments of a tendon to a bone or a ligament to a Bone are also strengthened. This is very applicable with elbow injuries in arm wrestling. You can repair those injuries with PRP and regenerative growth factors tantamount to stem cells, but if you want to increase the overall constant general repair process of muscles, tendons and ligaments then taking PED’s would do that.

@samluke8121

Жыл бұрын

Why does that muscle eventually fade once PED users retire? Like a reverse metamorphosis.

John always well spoken and thought out on his views

Awesome bro you interviewed Brzenk, love your channel by the way sir you do great work !.

Wait!! How do you just end the video with a question like that without showing Johns answer!!?

It definitely makes a huge difference. Growing up in sports, some friends and people that I know admitted that they used them. They made gains so fast that it was mind blowing. I like John but, if they don't make much difference why did he start taking them at 44 and why want he stop. I prefer to watch natural athletes. I do not care if they do not look and perform like marvel characters.

@stianjohansen7555

Жыл бұрын

trt is a different ball game tho, having the same normal levels you had at age 25-35 when you go into your later stages of life really makes a difference in terms of fighting the atrophy of old age and diminshed testo levels. most of all, your wounds and aches heals normally. i just look at the old men in my family, the ones that are not on TRT has problem healing just a small wound...sometimes takes many months for them, but the ones that are on TRT heal more normally like a few days or weeks like when they where in their 30s.

Oh it make A LOT of difference. Look at evgeny prudnyk and ermes gasparini for example. Those two used to be quite slim and now are heavyweights! If you are already great at armwrestling and have the wrist, tendon and forearm strength, itll only make you better. Better recovery from training, higher training frequency, larger/ stronger muscles, tendon and bone thicken over time, the list goes on.

Imagine if nobody did PEDs and everyone just pulled or competed with natural strength gained by hard work. Wow, what an idea!

Pretty sure you take someone like Chaffee and put him on a massive HGH plan you’d get another Levan. The repercussions would be irreparable health wise, but you’d be the best for a period of time.

It all depends on the person. Some bodies respond incredible well to steroids and they gain a ton of weight and strenght.

Finally someone speaking about steroids in AW

a 5% gain is MASSIVE in elite sports of any kind.

It should build them up 🆙 and more I have seen it in the weight rooms 😅

Levan is the Barry Bonds of arm wrestling.

I'm a machine wen it comes to armwrestling i don't need steroids. But I won't reach high levels for being natural

Agree 100%

And here I've just been using creatine and 200g of protein a day,lol . Every workout for past 6 months I go up 1 to 2 reps each time on almost every exercise, others it takes 2 or 3 workouts to go up a rep or so. But making great gains without PEDs and I'm 41 and workout my whole life in one form or another.

@souldesire5932

Жыл бұрын

That's a tough schedule on your kidneys and body though.

@robertmccormick9729

Жыл бұрын

@@souldesire5932 maybe, but I'm 6,2 235lbs and cycle off creatine and train almost every day for 2 hours. So the protein gets used up but yes have to be careful with the kidneys,liver,and heart. Also every 60days I take a whole week off/7days to rest and reset my body.

PEDS also increases bone, ligament, and tendon density, and strength though.

so many gay lovers say Devon doesn't use 😆😆

@chozen0018

Жыл бұрын

As his head size goes up every year lol

That question is answered with the example of Larry Wheels.

peds can strengthen ligaments too

Dennis has all the answers in this topic.

PEDs allow the muscle to improve in many ways. If you train correctly the stress your muscles place on the tendons and ultimately the bones will lead to improved durability there as well. The process simply takes longer then it takes for muscles to adapt. Force development is more important then hypertrophy. PEDs will help there. John Brzenk on PEDs and the correct training in his day would have been freaky.

Perfect ending.

Athletes at the very top of a sport are usually separated by less then 1 percent. To say that 2-3% won't help much is crazy.

We have to remember that we have the outlier's who are hyper responders! Those are the guys who has gained approximately 100 pounds.

You don’t think Richard Lupkes was on gear??

I think JB is underestimating the strength gain. For some people it makes a huge difference

Lol, the discussions in armwresting turned out similar to the ones in bodybuilding, haha good old days

Devon abuses stem cells, that's next level, strength and endurance right there

I get what John is saying about having the right structure and technique but that can be said about any sport. PEDs will make a big difference when combined with increased stress capacity and training. Furthermore, it will make the user more aggressive which I think is a good thing for arm wrestlers

@mattlars89

Жыл бұрын

Also lowers the amount of time you need to recover from training, allowing for even more intense workout/more table time.

Levan went from just another super heavy in the pack to absolutely untouchable for years, until someone was willing to do as much gear as him. Not everyone is a hyper responder like that but for guys who are, it's massively advantageous. Look at Denis...Levan....how big and strong Ermes got in a short time.

It will make u stronger it won’t make u a world champion if your not already talented

Having been around runners who needed to increase their V02 Max, Certain types of steroids increase oxygenation and reuptake. That is why cycling pro's and runners use them. But there is no beating a natural athlete who is dedicated anyway so when they also take enhancements they become unbeatable in their class. I am naturally in the 91st percentile when testing my V02 max. While that is excellent there would be no way for me to win a race against a runner who has worked on it their whole lives and wins races. I did nothing with my natural ability but if I were to train for three years in any weight sport, I would not need to use PEDs. I would max out later than most naturally. You see how Devon breaths when he competes? He has a high rate of oxygenation so he can outlast a sprint hitter who breaths short and heavy or who has to hold their breath to make progress.

FINALLY! Look at Levan’s old matches. That dude has easily put on 50 pounds of muscle since his early career. He’s blasting the trenboloney sandwiches and nobody’s talking about it.

Isnt that guy the alien from that Tim Allen space movie

👍👍👍

When you are 50lbs heavier with 25lbs of that being muscle it is a big difference especially in the super heavy weight class. He might have been a great arm wrestler but he is either not very intelligent or just playing it down. In regards to staying in your current weight class, think about it you drop 5% bodyfat weight and replacie that with 5% muscle weight that 's a huge advantage and not hard to do on steroids.

GOAT!

Yeah Levan.

Nobody wants to REALLY talk. This sport is structured on gear and it is the foundation of all the big time events and guys. Without pulling back the curtain and addressing the wizard… we can never go home toto. Just because it’s “John” does not remotely make him right. Half his career was unnatural. That guy who won over the top at 190 ish would get SMOKED in todays field. Look at his return… he was in 1 minute plus wars getting his wrist taken by guys not on world stage in dmitry kachan… then improves every month… to thicker, heavier, stronger… ( tough to do in late 50s… if not impossible) and goes on to smoking a many many many time waf, zloty and everything else champ in zoloev. If they pulled when he pulled dmitry… zoloev wins easy. What changed.? It’s John… not his knowledge or lanes…. Be honest… look at obvious.

@captainbobette

Жыл бұрын

Greg doucette talk a shot load about steroids, fake natty , tested events, everything can be cheated. He also said , most of steroids user don’t look to be on gear . It’s like people saying , he compete in WAF, he’s natty. Yes sure… what you got on ped is still there once you stop, muscle have memory, another cycle and you’re right there again and more because you still keep some while off.

Need to talk about HGH in this convo also for people who are really pushing PE

Make no mistake. Arm wrestling is a strength sport. I respect John's opinion alot. But if you factor in everything, PEDs help tons. It's not just about muscle gain, but a huge thing is recovery. You can just practise all day long and heal from it. All he knows is probably TRT and a few other drugs. But there is very potent stuff on the market, that most people have no idea about.

Looking at levan before and after is crazy.

Everyone at an elite level in any physical sport is on performance enhancements. They create this idea that people are "drug tested" and that it means something. It doesn't mean anything at all.

The strength increase is real and do make alot of difference.i kniw because me and my buddy started training at the gym together.we both natural and never armwrestle before.we would aw for fun every now and then and i always win until one day he aw me and i couldnt budge him he admitted he just started taking roids

all due respect to John..... Levan is prime example of what they do.... people might say Denis ... but that not true since Denis was taking them before he started arm-wrestling as he was professional strongman before he started doing arm-wrestling.

@michaeltrumph121

21 күн бұрын

John is roided to the gills, has been since he lost to Voevoda. He bulked up a lot around 2005-2006. He's just lying here to preserve his legacy.

I would have to disagree with John. There is an enormous difference between natural and PED usage. That slight edge can mean the difference between winning and losing in any sports. I don’t blame him for defending it so much because he’s used it to gain back his endurance and strength to competitive levels.

I was struck by the quality of life comment. Remember Coach Ray saying on the PPV that whenever he sees Ermes he's either sitting down or sitting down eating.

I dont think that (steroids) should be the main topic, It should be ALL PEDS because the main issue with learning and becoming a great armwrestler is the ability to train smart and not get hurt. Armwrestling is horrible for injuries and pain in general. Most people who attempt to become armwrestlers never last because its painful . NOW there are several PEDS that aid in tendon and muscle rapair helping the beginner and experienced armwrestler to get back on the table sooner with far less pain... what's the use of taking steroids and becoming (strong) if you cant use the strength because of pain or injury...

I think John doesn't know much about steroids

@mk-19memelauncher65

Жыл бұрын

Either that or his goal here is to discourage people from taking steroids by saying they won't make them much better at armwrestling.

@kobyonekenoby

Жыл бұрын

he just need his doctor to know about it :)

@chadster7547

Жыл бұрын

Other than the fact that he has been taking them for 17 years

This was the most ignorant comment every mouthed by John in regards to armwrestling. John couldn't be any farther from ignorant so I have to believe that he is "protecting" the top of the pecking order, which is actually admirable. The best possible example of how steroids can catapult a professional's career is Barry Bonds. He was as talented as anyone in baseball but he just didn't have the strength/power to drive the ball at a historic rate. Anyone that has ever played baseball on any level knows that to hit homeruns consistently you have to have power. ALL the power comes from your glutes and quads, you know, the two largest muscle groups in the body. If you already possess the eye-hand coordination to effectively make contact with major league pitching, just think what you can do with new found muscle mass that you have never possessed in your natural life. And Barry did it at the absolute tailend of his career, which shows just how talented he was to begin with. Longwinded response I know, John is unequivocally wrong on this one.

If you’re training correctly and eating well, you will respond many times better than someone who just decides to jump on. When you see someone who made a huge gain, that usually means they have already been training and eating well and their genetics played a role in a response to the PEDs.

@serginho6837

Жыл бұрын

Yes but if you are training and eating well AND juicing you will be better than if you were just training and eating well.

@60345

Жыл бұрын

@@serginho6837 you just repeated what this guy said

@miltondas1839

Жыл бұрын

@@60345 he is saying it is better not to use PEds , just training and eating well is better.

They are all on steroids -Nate Diaz

Levan off his head on it, and its 1 of the reasons his the best at the moment

This a great interview, but I was really struggling to understand the Indian man. I had to rewatch it a few times.