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I’ve always agreed with the Sean O’Malley vs Kris Motino stoppage, sure he was standing but let the man meet his grandchildren some day fr

@TylerG13

Жыл бұрын

Rogan and Cormier were being willfully ignorant. Moutinho will never be the same person he was before that fight and if the ref had let it go on longer it could’ve ended horribly. The strike difference was 230-70.

@n3rdstuffz

Жыл бұрын

@@TylerG13 230-70 still seems light, Kris landed nothing of power the whole fight didn’t move his head and was quite literally a walking punching bag, I hope Kris is doing well, the commentators were more mad at the stoppage than Kris was

@sethiddings7293

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that fight was very lopsided. "Gotta let Him get hit another 50 times. Like Warrior spirit maaaaan"

@trentroberts2566

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention he got stopped in the first next fight too. Shouldve been stopped a while ago, had to have had an effect on him

@MS-kz1ov

Жыл бұрын

I met a guy that knew kris personally and he said the whole thing was a fix, not the fight itself but how the fight came about, time to prepare and level of competition. He essentially said Kris - for as much as he loved him - didn’t belong in there.

That music at the end of the video is the worst thing ever created in the history of existence

@tempsitch5632

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the warning. It’s as if Axe body spray was noise.

@redfoxse7en52

Жыл бұрын

​@@tempsitch5632 😂😂😂 why is that so accurate lmao

@JGoesBoom

Жыл бұрын

100000% sounds like someone is creating a character in WWE.

@HitPeace

Жыл бұрын

My man.. thanks for the heads up in getting out a whole minute ahead of the end

@facehairteeth

Жыл бұрын

Big down vote from me for the outro music. Wow that's bad. And loud

As good as Chito is, and he’s good, very good, there’s absolutely unequivocally no freaking way that he won even one round of that fight Cory dominated the whole match

The O’Malley/Moutinho fight is an awful example. Moutinho took 10 unanswered shots to the face and looked like a completely different person. It was just as good of a stoppage as Ronda/Nunes. Rogan and Cormier were on crack with that one. There is no “Let him finish the fight” when he’s eating unanswered punches to the face with meaningful time left. 30 seconds is a long time to get your ass kicked when you’ve been getting your ass kicked for 14 minutes already.

Its the same thing that happened with boxing. We used to have incredible 'infighters' like roberto duran that would get inside and work the body and tie you up and pressure from the clinch. Then over the last 30 years or so the referees got overly fussy and break up fighters in the clinch much quicker to the point that really skilled infighters are a dying breed and its kind of a lost art and its all because of casual fans just wanting two dudes to go toe to toe and don't want any of the subtleties that make a fighter great and referees caving to the booing and wanting boxing to be 'cleaner'. It absolutely sucks.

@enigma1247

Жыл бұрын

The comparison isnt even close

@KristianH1986

Жыл бұрын

@@enigma1247 referees not allowing mma fighters to work on the ground vs referees not allowing boxers to work in the clinch? its directly comparable you flannel.

@tarancehill651

Жыл бұрын

​@@KristianH1986 hahaha I had to look up flannel as an insult. Are you British?

@caotik3343

Жыл бұрын

​@Tarance Hill I'm British, and I've never heard someone say flannel

@alexjoneswasright11

Жыл бұрын

im sure it was to stop unnecessary hugging that nobody wants to see

Joe has got to have Cory and Andrew Santino on at the same time. It would confuse some people and it would be hilarious.

@tonyattardo9350

Жыл бұрын

Because they look similar? If so that’s ironic because I think he looks more like Lil Dicky, and Santino is on his show.

Why is no one talking about that fighter putting the ref in the leg lock 😭

@brenobonfim5749

Жыл бұрын

Laughed my ass off

That fckn outro got all the dogs in my neighborhood barking

I've always said that UFC could implement a rule mandating that ranked fighters from all weight classes must serve as judges in a certain number of fights each year. Even just the top 15 in each class would give you a pool of 165 judges that are each highly trained and qualified. You could even mandate that you can't judge fights within your weight class to rule out most bias.

@Noobie2k7

Жыл бұрын

Well the judges and referees don't work for the UFC. They're from whatever Athletic Commission the company is currently fighting in.

Dan Miragliotta scoring the Maycee Barber vs Andrea Lee as 30 - 27 for Barber was criminal. You'd think as a ref he'd have a better feel for fights. And I always root for Barber but he was dead wrong with that score

John annik is the type of guy who would tell the teacher they forgot to hand out homework

I was like, "holy molly, Linus knows fighting too"😁

these jre clips are the best. Love the edits

i think 10-8 rounds should be given a lot more, same for 10-7 rounds. 10-9 only for rounds that are actually very close and it's not clear who won the round

@anonymousbrowsing2909

Жыл бұрын

But the problem with that is 1 round wins the fight . And 1 decently dominant round ties the fight

@jiujitsumonkey1

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousbrowsing2909 10-7 is insane, fights need to go back more pride style rules where they're judged as a whole. Let's say I get my ass beat round one and it's 10-7, I come back with a strong ass second and 10-8 him the next round then 10-9 him the third and the best I get is a draw? That's some bullshit, the way the fight ends is way more important than the way it begins

@SBAssociation

Жыл бұрын

@@jiujitsumonkey1 agreed I get the rounds system but they gotta find a way too give close fights too the person who actually WON the fight in terms of damage or strikes and then control time.

@Jonathanwebb100

Жыл бұрын

@@jiujitsumonkey1 IMO I like the fight being judged as a whole with an exception. Let the judges vote on the fight as a whole and if they can't make a strong decision then look at who they thought won each round for a tie breaker. Volk should have won that fight. Joe is right the end of the fight had him winning for sure.

@brandonr5371

Жыл бұрын

More room for judges to fuck fights up. No thanks.

See here's the thing, I'm all for former fighters being judges but the problem is most former fighters are friends with other fighters in the organization or train them, to many biases in play I feel like

@Jeudaos

Жыл бұрын

you saying that like these stupid judges rn aren't biased towards fighters. how tf do you think islam got decission over volk.

@rfizzlefitz

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeudaos trust me I’m with you on that but I’m just saying it’s something to think about, imagine dc as a judge. And I had $100 on volk at +350 and was 100% convinced I made the right bet, just think the judges fucked it over

@jaydenyoung4851

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeudaos one of the judges were from Australia 😂

Fun fact, the judge who gave chito the fight had not judged a professional fight prior to that night

@williamh.gatesiii8183

Жыл бұрын

They are put there so Vegas win because no one bets on split decisions

@briansmith9077

Жыл бұрын

What does split decision have to do with betting?

UFC Fans : Judges need to be less subjective or it's going to kill the sport Boxing : Hold my beer.

Song at the end?

Definitely disagree with the last point saying that what happens at the end of the fight matters the most. Like imagine if Nate got the decision over Edwards because he was ahead for 1 of the 25 minutes in the fight.

5:48 my favorite Dana soundbite 😂

That outro music was painful to take someone else’s work and then slap your annoying music tag on it and repost it is pretty lame

Bring back Yamazaki 🤣🤣🤣

@groundscum4-ps4pd

Жыл бұрын

If he dies, he dies.

I think most MMA refs do a great job and are excellent representations to the sport. The bad apples are so bad though…it almost erases all that though.

@TFBx

Жыл бұрын

A few bad apples spoils the bunch

@ypsilonick8738

Жыл бұрын

you often only remember by their worst moments as well. Yamasaki made a couple really bad calls. Leading up to the Cachoeira fight, he has been reffing for 20 years in the UFC alone, basically since the organization was founded. He can't be too much of a bad apple when there's what, 10/400 fights with bad calls?

I've been thinking why don't they make it like a 3 colour panel scoring like a blue panel (blue corner) red panel (red corner) and blue and which is tied that way you'd be able to tell if favoritism is being played

Dustin Poirier's boxing is so good

Fighters should be judges but the problem with that is all the fighters know each other and have friends that have trained, sparred and fought each other…… its hard for a fighter to fairly judge a fight when feelings are involved

I’m starting to believe that bad score cards is a promotion or something cuz everyone talks about it forever the ufc can’t fire the judging commission then it makes you wanna see the next fights to see what other bad score cards there’s gunna be

i agree with joe on the number of judges. 3 is a very small amount considering the subjectivity of judging in this sport

The worst thing left behind in the Pride acquisition by the UFC was Yuji Shimada. Ive never once seen him screw up a fight.

Are we going to act like guys don't hold guys down for points or to rest? If there was no time limit I could see the argument being valid.

@ryanmora3334

Жыл бұрын

True but a lot of times the refs that let them up do it in ridiculous situations. If the fight is stalled then for sure let them up. But if they’re working for positions, who cares what the crowd things just let them work and continue to practice mixed martial arts.

@tclyde865

Жыл бұрын

That's usually the case when dudes just laying on top not doing anything. Most times theres a big struggle going on with wrist control and positioning, and those should not be stood up.

@JakeNHale

Жыл бұрын

@@tclyde865 we still talking about fighting, right? 🤣

@tclyde865

Жыл бұрын

@@JakeNHale idk are we 😂

@seanquinn8790

Жыл бұрын

@@tclyde865 it’s ultimate FIGHTING championship not wrestling majority of time they’re stood up nothing is happening booing is happening for a reason

Good vid. Too much outro

bro tf is that outro scared the hell outta me shiiet

On the opinion of the volk fight and scoring that type of battle. The first rd rarely means anything. They are pretty much feeling each other out and not really doing anything worth scoring. Why most of the time on these 5 rd fights the first rd is always more subjective

@lastatmullen1185

7 ай бұрын

Bc it's the starting round, and in UFC getting past the first round is an accomplishment itself.

It's a very interesting topic to me. I love most sports and we've seen what appears to be a steady decline in reffing in hockey, in football, as well as basketball. I'm sure other sports would say the same as well. Some of the sports, like the non-combat sports I have a theory on. I think we now have super high-definition slow-mo replay to critique every single call or non-call made. That hasn't always been the case. So maybe reffing has always been this bad but we're just now getting to see it because of technology advancements. I'm very curious why a sport like baseball still uses a homeplate umpire to call pitches. You literally have a camera trained on the batters box with a rectangle to show the strike zone. You don't need that human error to get it wrong anymore. I don't know, I guess I'm just curious if it's always just been bad and we just didn't know it until we've been able to see it in slow motion after the fact.

@diskeyes

Жыл бұрын

It hasn’t been declining, ref’s have always been trash. We just have social media now to show how shit they are

@captain_malaria

Жыл бұрын

Nice paragraph, but here's why everything is ruined: gambling.

That’s what I don’t understand we have past fighters who could judge the fights you got ppl judging a fight and they’ve probably never been in one

Honestly I couldn’t believe this is Sandhagen. He looks ten billion times scarier in the octagon. Here he is just a laid back dude.

It always goes the other way. when they should be stood up the ref lets it go to the ground and when someone is in a dominate position for 25 secs, ref will stand em up

Who is winning at the end cannot be a criteria if every 5mins the guy get to stop and rest and restart on the feet no matter where he was prior.

Good video, outro is obnoxious though

Is it outrageous to assume that some judges are being paid under the table by people, bookies, or because they themselves may have a vested interest in the outcome and are receiving a cut of a betting pool or something else? Some judges history is way too shady to just be a coincidence.

@vizcaa

Жыл бұрын

Not at all because it has happened in sports

The betting empire would not allow 10 judges.

Bro your outro is wayy too loud

best part of this video is all the clips have nothing to do with what theyre talking about

Refs should be former fighters/Coaches

The music at the end needs to go!!!

Ojeda - Vera? It does NOT take a linguistics/anthropology expert to know why THAT particular judge went for Vera. Call as you SEE them, not how you feel them.

Like when Maia had Kamarus back, and the ref seperated and had them stand up. If i remember correctly it was Herb Dean, but that guy makes a couple mistakes every card.

As a fan I'd like to cite Pride FC judges: "ACSHIOOON!"

Joe: the fight should be judged as a whole. Aldo Joe: if the fight ends with Volk on top of you pounding, Volk win the fight.

@DIVAD291

Жыл бұрын

Looking at the end point is representative of the whole.

@nicholascoob1350

Жыл бұрын

​@@DIVAD291 How exactly? Volk was getting rocked and dropped about the same as Islam. Got outstruck a few times and then controlled in R4. It was very competitive up until R5. How is all that reflective of the whole fight when Islam put in better work? I feel like people who say this are just salty fanboys who didn't like the outcome. Would you be saying the same if Islam had that performance?

@DIVAD291

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholascoob1350 Let's say you have a 500m race. Runner A has the lead for the first 400 meters but gets passed by Runner B in the last 100 meters. Who won the race? If you judge the race based on who won the most individual segments, you would say that A won because he won more 100m "rounds" than B. If you judge the race as a whole, you would give it to Runner B because overall he covered the 500m faster than A. The difference between the endpoint and the start is what matters when you judge as a whole. Variations between arbitrary points within the fight don't. So if we bring it back to Volk vs Islam. Unlike racing, we stop the fight before it reaches it's actual endpoint for safety/entertainment reasons. So to me the job of a judge should be to try and predict who would win if the fight kept going until a winner was decided and I think it's fair to say Volk had the advantage by the end due to Islam being very tired.

@lonemaus562

Жыл бұрын

What’s the problem? Both things are true and volk still won.. you brain dead ?

Poor ref lmaoo

Really agree with a lot of their points especially at the end there, not saying the Volk v Islam fight is a great example of this but if a guy is losing 4 rounds to none and whoops the guy for the entire last 5 minutes I think he wins that fight but you physically cannot let him win that fight 4-1 with the current rules

Mario "If He Dies He Dies" Yamasaki.

Joe wants 10 judges, no stand ups, & fights to happen on a football field. 😂😂

@stellviahohenheim

Жыл бұрын

cry about it some more

Cory sounds a little bit like Chris Griffin

It’s about the gambling. The judges are in bed with the casinos. If someone is -300/+300 and it goes to the judges. Unless it’s completely one sided by the underdog. The favorite will get the decision every time. Volk vs Islam is best example

Fighter safety > Everything else

@lonemaus562

Жыл бұрын

No lmao then it’s not a fight it’s boring and we won’t know who’s actually better

and theres no need to act like Dana doesnt want split decisions on every single bout now just so they can go down to the third judge to build up suspense...its so bad.

Whoever edited this doesnt knkw what theyre doing. Why did this come up in my feed

Takes you out of the conversation with the quickness

Rogan really lost me at the end with the schoolyard analogy. No point in scoring individual rounds if whoever wins the last 30 seconds wins lol

I love the outro music, dont listen to those weenies 😅

Waterson was just screwed by judges I watched the video, there was a part about judges too.

You could just eliminate rounds and have the fix you need

I agree with the more knowledgeable judges. 10 may be too many, but 5 would be perfect. There has to be at least 5 highly knowledgeable MMA former/ retired fighters that could fill those jobs easily? The question is who are the 5?

Humans through our known existence are used to showing a real exchange of force to show a winner. These submissions are not what really shows the dominance we crave. Up the pay for these beasts and let's let them go as far as they'll allow it.

this first [time danas said something i like

This is the opinion of a grappler enthusiast. The fans are the ones that dictate the expectations. The UFC is exciting bc of finishes. BJJ, Sambo & Wresting don’t command the kind of money to understand the nuances

The blonde at 3:10 is perfection. Not only is she bombshell level godess level sexy and beautiful but she's clearly very intelligent and most importantly she's knowledgeable and well spoken in the art of mixed martial arts. I'm actually in love lol

Ya I wouldn't be happy going three rounds and then not being able to finish. I HAVE to finish, always. Especially since my wife is Finnish.

I agree with Joe on that last part but i feel like it’s too big of a change to have right now

@Thforklift126

Жыл бұрын

I kind of agree, too, but it is a 'chicken or the egg' thing for me strategy-wise. If athletes understand that, as a whole, what they do per individual round is not as important as how they finish, the byproduct I feel would be less urgency through the beginning stages of a fight, since you'd think most would conserve their energy in anticipation of finishing strong. It might be a scoring change that works for some types but not for all. It would certainly influence training and performance tactics. My question is if the result would be less of an emphasis on establishing a strong, pressure-friendly pace that displeases the organization as well as the fans. As for me, I think MMA has emphasized stand-up fighting far too much -- in other words, I don't believe fighters should ever be stood-up due to lack of action or initiative. If one athlete is just laying on another following a takedown, and then proceeds to do nothing from top, I don't care how boring it is. The guy on bottom or in a disadvantageous position should not receive an opportunity to stand up, period. If you're not adept in skill enough to escape, sweep, or create a scramble, then that is a problem with your skill-set.

I mean I disagree with Joes take here. If you dominate a fight but lose a 30 second sequence (as long as you don’t get KOd, Submitted, or TKOd in that sequence) then you still deserve to win that fight. To me that’s like saying only 4th quarter points matter in football, or only third period goals in hockey. Some biases here because Volk was the under dog and an absolute beauty of a man.

@zacmcloughlin3470

Жыл бұрын

But volk wasn’t being dominated for 4 rounds and 4 and half minutes tho was he, it was a fairly even fight wherein volk was clearly in a better position at the end

@nicholascoob1350

Жыл бұрын

​​@@zacmcloughlin3470 He got controlled in R1 and for the entirety of R4. Did you watch the fight?

@zacmcloughlin3470

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholascoob1350 that’s 2 rounds out 5 buddy, yes Islam defo won those rounds but looking at the full scope of the fight you cannot argue that he was being dominated for the whole fight c’mon

@nicholascoob1350

Жыл бұрын

@@zacmcloughlin3470 How was he being dominated? He also outstruck Volk in R2 so I'd say he took that round as well, even rocked Alex in that same round. So that's 3-2. Would you agree he lost then?

@zacmcloughlin3470

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholascoob1350 please read my first comment again, I literally said it was a fairly even fight, and yes I do think based on the current ufc rules that Islam won, my point was it wasn’t a domination but if it wasn’t a regulated fight volk could have easily won

That may be the worst outro I’ve ever seen please never again

Great video until the end when the video decided to blow out my ears.

I think the 10 point must system is the stupidest thing I ever heard of. I have seen tones of rounds I'd score 1 to 1.05. :D

shouldnt Joe be having this discussion with Dana???? Danas the guy that doesnt like the ground game because its "not exciting"....

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE with what Joe was saying about the judges.... I think that the panel should ONLY consist of coaches & trainers.... As they have been there & done it & know all the moves themselves.... Rather than using Old Farts who doesn't know their own head from their arse.... Let alone a rear naked choke & a guillotine.... Though NOT retired fighters.... As we all know.... Fighters come with a lot of history between them.... Which will show itself in the form of bigotry.... Under the nouns & synonyms of.... Pride & Prejudice, Obstinate & bias opinions.

Cause nobody but hobby bjj enthusiasts want to see a stalemate on the ground

That's how kamaru lost the first fight, herb broke them up because of boos

Lol a fighter pretending to still chase a win but really wants out 😅 and Yamasaki is like nope continue this fighter is a warrior 😂

Nah one FC scoring sucks

Need more judges and more nuanced scoring system. 10 to 9 is too vague. Can be a coin toss where both guys had big moments and it's just 10 9. Same scoring if one guy gets completely controlled the entire round. Stupid. If it was out of 100 you could give the close round something like 100 98. Then if theres a round where a guy gets soundly beat you'd give it 100 88 or something so even if you "Lost" the first round that was close you'd be way ahead in points instead of just tied 1 to 1. 5 or 7 judges would be a big improvement too, would need more than 2 wacky opinions to flip a fight.

Hard disagree on everything that was talked about in the first 2 minutes

Corey is adorable asf

Volk indeed got em

Jumpscare ass ending

the boxing style scoring of 10-9 rounds is so stupid and outdated theres not enough rounds for that to effectively judge a fight properly. Should go to judging the fight by whole like the pride days

Joe's "schoolyard analogy" makes zero sense. Islam finished two rounds completely controlling Volkanovski on the ground, and the only reason Volkanovski got up was because the round ended. Why on earth should his analogy only count for the final round when Volkanovski is on top? By Joe's own logic Islam won the fight.

I'm with Jake Shields if you get taken down it's your job to stand up or submit or sweep that's MMA don't winge or cry that's the game

sorry joe but jens pulver disagrees with MORE judges. Quality over quantity ALWAYS. And YES, the judges should be FORCED to explain WHY they scored certain rounds the way they did, especially if it's a bs slip decission when 95% of people watching can see a clear winner

Sometimes joe has some dumb takes, if the last round was all it matters then fighters would just turtle up and bang it out in the last round. Volk didn't get shit and got out struck by a wrestler.

Should rounds start, how the previous round ended 🤔

@oneill765

Жыл бұрын

If it wasn't scored round by round I'd say that would actually be a good idea.

@ahmedgaming7866

Жыл бұрын

Nah it's judged round by round so it would be insanely unfair for the fighter in a worse position, the breaks in-between rounds are meant for fighters to gameplan and improve, a shit ton of fights wouldn't end the way they ended if it was like this

@zacmcloughlin3470

Жыл бұрын

How would that work practically tho, if the fight goes 4 rounds on the feet and then one fighter gets a takedown in the last second to secure a round, does that mean the final round should start on the ground? Seems a bit unfair to me

sandhagen won the fight clean as day

During the current scoring criteria, I do believe Islam won that fight 3-2, but I hear Joe's point. The fight ended with massive momentum for Volk, and that can feel a bit jarring for many.

most relevant part of the clip: Joe: "He won that fight.. ..Volk got em.." #GiveTheManHisSecondBelt

@roejogan5094

Жыл бұрын

Volk absolutely did not win. The last 20-30 seconds of a fight don’t count more. Idk how anyone can watch that fight and think volk won

Joe’s school yard statement is beyond stupid. According to that analogy, Leon would’ve lost to Diaz. Also, if Pereira didn’t finish Adesanya in the fifth, he’d still have won the fight.

Are they boxing refs?

@freemoney9041

Жыл бұрын

ufc

Dude wtf, get rid of that loud as outro

@killlr0y

Жыл бұрын

Shush

@surthrivingalaska2511

Жыл бұрын

@@killlr0y tell that to the music 4 times louder than the audio. Shush.

@killlr0y

Жыл бұрын

@@surthrivingalaska2511 turn it down ...easy

And I still think Volk won that fight😂

@prettzx

Жыл бұрын

I haven't personally met a single person who doesn't

@TanWam

Жыл бұрын

@@prettzx I was torn at first but then I watched it without commentary and seemed like a clear 3-2 for Islam

@lonemaus562

Жыл бұрын

Just people from Russia and Muslims are the only ones , anyone with a brain knows who actually won

It always confuses me how rare are draws in mma. I know that too many draws would make fights indecisive and pointless in the eyes of casual fan but there was a bunch of fights that just should be contested draws. In very close championship fights draws should result in reigning champion staying a champion and rematch should be in the making.