Man I could listen to Big John just explaining MMA shit for hours...

@will1867

6 жыл бұрын

Paul Rogers you know you wouldn't be able too last 5 minutes

@stevenjimenez6977

6 жыл бұрын

Apply cold water to burned area.🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Em4gdn1m

6 жыл бұрын

Ian Batista Gross

@wjl3291

6 жыл бұрын

5 mins? Shit, the merest thought of a actual real life female touching his leg would cause this Paul Rogers kid to blow his itty bitty tiny little load in his Spiderman tighty whities 😂

@theperson8275

6 жыл бұрын

wjl32 good descriptive writing.

No downward elbows but full sprint flying knees to the face are #supernecessary 🍗🍗🍗🥤

@tommyrp14tp

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah ask Ben Askren about that😂😂😂

@arandompersonlol9515

4 жыл бұрын

you're dumb

@Fvneral_moon

4 жыл бұрын

a random person lol no u

@samuelperez2208

4 жыл бұрын

super necessary

@rilakkuma5065

4 жыл бұрын

I suppose the impact is different because you'll knock back from a flying knee but you'll recieve full impact from a 12-6 elbow.

Props for John McCarthy, very cerebral and professional to the core. The sport of MMA would be nothing without his professionalism and near-perfect reffing,

@greggyk1

5 жыл бұрын

Jason Campbell exactly. I've seen refs that couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time

@lalaru1372

5 жыл бұрын

Well said my friend, well said

@nickbuckel4658

4 жыл бұрын

I know I’m gay when I say this but Lame ass

@dean529

4 жыл бұрын

@Tekagi John talks about it in his book about how he was actually wanting to compete in UFC since he was part of the Gracie school but the Gracies talked him out of it and put him as the referee. As far as MMA goes the man is on the Mount Rushmore, is arguably the biggest contributor to MMA and undoubtedly at the fore front back then of legitimizing MMA as a sport instead of human cockfighting.

@JoshdaKnight

4 жыл бұрын

Who doesn’t want to hear “ARE YOU READY??? AND ARE YOU READY??? ALRIGHT LETS GET IT ON!” And a big ass clap. He was the first guy from UFC who I’d pretend to be when I was a kid.

Love Big John, such a legend.

@Horzzo

6 жыл бұрын

The guy looks the same as he did 20 years ago.

@supermanguy1214

6 жыл бұрын

AGREED 110%

@cassanateli

6 жыл бұрын

BOW YA SHITS Lol he’s a fucking ref dude calm down, or do you just worship everyone you’re told to

@E-A-Z-Y

6 жыл бұрын

Barry Shitpeas tf? Go back under whatever rock you came from.

@MsTycus

6 жыл бұрын

Whineeee!!!

i like how he real smoothly talked about himself in the 3rd person

@Jamusictv

5 жыл бұрын

haha glad you saw that as well. lol

@ZHGAmingAllTheWay

5 жыл бұрын

Lol thought I was the only one

@starbwoy

5 жыл бұрын

Yo! I thought I was the only one who caught that. Hahahah.

@deelanders6132

4 жыл бұрын

Macho Man would be impressed. Ooh yea

@tonyk7387

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Herb "6-12 clock on the ceiling" Dean

@tritonneptune3834

5 жыл бұрын

Lol, Herb "ceiling clock" Dean

@missionpupa

5 жыл бұрын

6-12 on the fuckin ceiling. Herb is a comedian.

@666ingz

5 жыл бұрын

It's 12-6 but I get you.

@missionpupa

5 жыл бұрын

@@666ingz thats an uppercut lol

@666ingz

5 жыл бұрын

@@missionpupa 😂

God bless John McCarthy for everything he's done for MMA through the years. A true legend.

@FrankNStein-wk4oj

5 жыл бұрын

There is no god. Please don't be ridiculous.

@xxkillingwavexxswag9355

5 жыл бұрын

200th like

@ojsj6266

4 жыл бұрын

Frank N. Stein I can tell you’re the type of person to call the police on a 6 year old selling lemonade outside his house.

@cinemarat1834

4 жыл бұрын

@@FrankNStein-wk4oj God bless is just an expression, why are u triggered?

@nicholasnixon1311

4 жыл бұрын

Hall of famer

ARE YOU READY 👉 👈 ARE YOU READY 👏LET'S GET IT ON

@THAToneGUY594

5 жыл бұрын

Fine, take your like.

@matthewward5849

4 жыл бұрын

You forgot the “come on!”

@JoshdaKnight

4 жыл бұрын

‘Nuff said.

"John do not recite the old magic to me, I was there when it was written McCarthy"

@Billbo95TKD

3 жыл бұрын

Golden 🤣

@rohaanmuzaffar3187

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated Comment

@moorefield

2 жыл бұрын

ur supposed to put the quotes in between his name

@codyp.3191

2 жыл бұрын

@@moorefield I was gonna say that lmao

@spursnation4737

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

So the 12-6 elbow is legal if you use a digital clock then?

@jakaan2014

6 жыл бұрын

yousaidwinglikeabirdswing lmao

@GokuInfintysaiyan

5 жыл бұрын

YOUD HAVE TO DRAW OUT THE NUMBER 🤣

@mikesemon7392

5 жыл бұрын

yousaidwinglikeabirdswing classic. Mike Jackson used it on CM PUNK.

@superfly19751

5 жыл бұрын

Lol haha

@rrrockhard

5 жыл бұрын

yousaidwinglikeabirdswing Well thats a good point... They should ban fighters for looking at the big screen just because of this!

Herb “ 12-6 on the ceiling” Dean John:Herb when have u seen a clock on the ceiling 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

@jeremyvaca612

4 жыл бұрын

Bro I was crying 😂😂😂

@thesmithersy

2 жыл бұрын

Herb "Ceiling Clock" Dean

Damn he looks like a batman ben affleck

@jeremydisbrow9814

6 жыл бұрын

Merman fuck yeah he does, although big John would fuck him up. Hahahahaha

@smokem3654

6 жыл бұрын

Merman thats wat i thought n clicked. better its john interesting hear from a pov with his thoughts he seen lots of fights. mma intellect beyond genius lvl. jmo i agree ur comment

@gtjoshua

6 жыл бұрын

I’m goin’ beefed up Adam Sandler Lol

@williamhemming8228

6 жыл бұрын

Lol. He totally does

@blackdaripper

5 жыл бұрын

Good shout bro

"I was going for 11:58 to 6:01 though..."

Has John written a book? He could. He's seen a lot.

@TheTails63

6 жыл бұрын

He should,call it "My memories as a UFC referee".

@dylanzrim1011

6 жыл бұрын

Google it

@Awesomemt2018

6 жыл бұрын

CarSmartsTV “look into it”

@malcolmsoh5648

6 жыл бұрын

He did. It was released on September 1, 2011, autoobiography titled "Let's Get It On - The Making of MMA and its Ultimate Referee."

@Vincent-fb1yj

6 жыл бұрын

It's a good idea but I think it would be a greater book after he retires and can write on all the different experiences with all the companies he's been associated with.

Didn’t know Big John was so involved in the evolution of MMA. He knows his shit!

@LUckybones25

5 жыл бұрын

I didnt either.

@gollese

4 жыл бұрын

He's been there from beginning so. :>

@Noles4life77

4 жыл бұрын

He reffed UFC 1. The man knows his shit

@jacidstorm2592

3 жыл бұрын

@@Noles4life77 he started at 2

@richardjones1988

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacidstorm2592 he started halfway through 1. A ref stopped a fight and back then they couldn't so they threw the ref out and sent Big John in.

He Looks like Tommy Dreamer lol

@superfly19751

5 жыл бұрын

AlphaReacts I thought I was first then I found your comment when scrolled down lol

@johnfalcetta5431

5 жыл бұрын

AlphaReacts holy shit great call

@CFFG1776

5 жыл бұрын

Get a chair

@syndropshot5932

5 жыл бұрын

Tommy dreamer looks like him... lol get that right

@JaculaDudek

5 жыл бұрын

Big John ain't a whale XD

Maybe it’s just me , but Herb’s logic about the clock wasn’t farfetched ..

@jae9843

5 жыл бұрын

Thought the same exact thing. It's because the 12-6 rule itself is stupid.

@John5.56

5 жыл бұрын

If you're on your back, you are swinging your elbow up, not down. Its that simple

@markmartin8400

4 жыл бұрын

@@John5.56 but the rule doesnt state the perspective of the clock so both arguments are valid the rule is dumb

@John5.56

4 жыл бұрын

@@markmartin8400 mate the saying 12oclock literally means straight up for a reason lmao?

@markmartin8400

4 жыл бұрын

@@John5.56 ok nvm your just to stupid to comprehend what im saying what constitutes up and down? Perspective up and down isnt a thing without perspective someone laying downs up and down is different then someones thats standing up and someone's up and down in china is polar oppisites then someones in the u.s. and thats the argument neither one is wrong and thats why its stupid to argue about it the rules just dumb

Big John is like a vault of MMA and combats sports knowledge in general him and Herb Dean are two of the best refs in MMA

@LliamSangiorgio19

4 жыл бұрын

Herb? Really?

@JM-dy4ty

4 жыл бұрын

Lliam Sangiorgio Yes. Really.

@LliamSangiorgio19

4 жыл бұрын

@@JM-dy4ty No one was talking to you, but Herb Dean is hardly a shining example of a good referee

@JM-dy4ty

4 жыл бұрын

Lliam Sangiorgio he wasn’t talking to you either.

@MoralesCorner

Жыл бұрын

​@@JM-dy4ty man said no one was talking to you as if this is not a public forum ☠️

I loved you in the accountant

@BirdTube83

6 жыл бұрын

Drip Droppity kinda looks like him

@takoma808

6 жыл бұрын

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms, yo.

@klassicAG

5 жыл бұрын

Yo this leaned me 😂😂😂

@frequentclearance9641

5 жыл бұрын

I thought it was Affleck from the thumbnail

@ThePerpetualStudent

5 жыл бұрын

LMFAO

This is one of the people most will never hear about but has done huge things. He basically wrote, and is still writing the rules for modern MMA.

This discussion is severely underrated. We need more knowledgeable proponents like this to pull for the sport.

I think Herb Dean's explanation of why he said the 12-6 elbow is illegal from the guard, just goes to show how great of a referee he is. Thinking outside of the box and enforcing the rules from all angles. It's still a 12-6 elbow if you do think about it. A weak one, but technically still one.

@bestieswithtesties

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he was definitely in the right about that unlike Big John. 12-6 is pretty self explanatory it means straight up and down in relevance to YOU. If you're on your back lifting your hand above your head and then right back down in the opposite direction that is still straight up and down for you. It is the same motion with the same effect. Hence, illegal whether standing or not.

@Nightowl333

Жыл бұрын

Yes! After hearing that, I was kinda like dang, Herb is a smart dude.

@forwardmoving8252

Жыл бұрын

No it isn't still a 12-6 elbow because as john already established in this video you clown, the nut job who insisted on the rule being made specified that it's only illegal if thrown from the ceiling to the floor.

@forwardmoving8252

Жыл бұрын

@@bestieswithtesties You have a mental shortcoming for sure lol. If the rule was made for a silly reason by a guy who knows nothing about fighting and JOHN was the one present at the meeting who confirmed that they only had to make it illegal should it be thrown from the ceiling to the floor, then how is he wrong about it you clown? It's a garbage rule either way and you prefer herb dean's method of needlessly expanding the rule to mean something it didn't originally mean? Watch the video again and pay attention this time

@Liam.2000

Жыл бұрын

It’s also illogical though and you explained why when you said ‘a weak one’. The whole reason the rule was enforced was because of the power it generates. It’s significantly weaker from the bottom position so why should that be illegal. Tbh the whole 12-6 rule is illogical when compared to flying knees and spinning kicks.

Rob Riggle should dress up as big Jon at a UFC event and pretend like he's going to officiate a fight.

@parkourguy84

4 жыл бұрын

He'd absolutely have to use his epic "POW!" a few times 😂😂

I just love this "first name" insert quote ironically "last name" joke

Glad to have some new content. This podcast is my primary evening entertainment. Love it.

@arabwolf313

5 жыл бұрын

Aint that the truth lol

The elbow is dangerous not because of the power it generates, it’s the fact that it’s a thick pointy bone going straight to your face. Imagine your on the ground and someone throws a 12 to 6 right to your eye socket sure there are other techniques that generate much more power but the 12-6 has the potential to do career ending damage

@james6247

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, pretty much the same as dropping a hammer dead on your skull from like a 3 metre height. The swiping type motion is far safer and still gets the “job done”

@godmode4790

2 жыл бұрын

Conor would kill Khabitch in a street fight,cause 12 to 6 or straight elbows are not restricted in a street fight.

@godmode4790

2 жыл бұрын

That’s why Khabitch didn’t came outside that bus.Cause Conor would have killed khabitch. Remember 12 to 6 or straight elbows are not restricted in a street fight.

@YannickGl

Жыл бұрын

Jones vs hamill

I had read once that the concern with the "12-6" was more about the likelihood of the point of the elbow hitting the opponent's eye socket, such as a fighter with mount dropping them straight down to the face of the person underneath.

Joe “They used to break bricks with it on ESPN” Rogan

@lucidlagomorph5809

4 жыл бұрын

got to ask - where did the Rogan meme's come from?

@DTS_I

3 жыл бұрын

Lucid Lagomorph from his podcast lmao.

John McCarthy adds a lot of legitimacy to MMA. Well-spoken, very experienced, fair/balanced and thinks things through. One of the biggest assets of the UFC. He's a legend.

I was up late and even my friend who knows close to nothing in mma started talking about this and discussing it and such. I like this topic and others like it because it opens people up to discussion and learning. Keep doing these topics and everything else! You're great

What about the spinning elbow? With all that momentum it definitely has more power than 12 to 6

@callanc3925

3 жыл бұрын

yeah but you cant exactly unload those super rapidly like you can with 12-6s

@Montanajj

3 жыл бұрын

@@callanc3925 💯

@tamo9659

3 жыл бұрын

@@callanc3925 That would look fun af. Remember beyblades?😂😂😂 I just imagine Jon Jones doing Ballett like Pirouettes, smashing his elbow into somebody’s face lol

@Alvah707

3 жыл бұрын

@@callanc3925 but a 12-5 is allowed though and it does the same thing. 12-6 is just a dumb rule either take out elbows of that 12-6ish type or allow 12-6

@callanc3925

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alvah707 Physically they dont do the same thing, they are similar. But refs need to have clear rules on whats allowed and what isnt otherwise there would be a controversy every fight. 12-6 are easy to judge because the ref just needs to watch for a straight up and down line. 12-5 are hard to identify properly because a ref needs a mental protractor to tell if theyre at the right angle to be legal

John 'LOOKIT' McCarthy.

@lazarogmz

6 жыл бұрын

Sam Cooke lmao right when i read this he said it😂😂

@awesom-o741

6 жыл бұрын

I say lookit too

@mikesemon7392

5 жыл бұрын

Chartered I say that. Is big John McCarthy from the midwest?

@Chachtel31

5 жыл бұрын

I was gonna post the same thing

@modest1989

5 жыл бұрын

I scrolled down just to find this comment haha

this was very informative. would love to hear more podcasts like this

I am only watching this through short clips but this guy is making me want to watch the whole thing.

While I think the 12-6 elbow should be legalized, I am reminded of an early UFC match where a guy had his opponent in a crucifix and just dropped repeat 12-6s into the other dude's temple. One of the most brutal KOs I've seen.

What always bugs me about the conversation around elbows is that it ignores the increased pressure applied by using a smaller surface area. Applied pressure is what causes structural damage to objects, it's the reason you can break the skin with just a gentle poke of a small needle, but not necessarily with a powerful punch. I'd argue there's a higher chance of severe cranial damage using a 12-6 elbow than any other angle, precisely because it allows you to increase the force of the strike (putting the entire mass of your torso into the strike), while dealing the damage through a very small surface area (Pressure = Force/Area). A smaller surface area results in a greater pressure, assuming the same force. A little bit of physics understanding goes a long way.

@pilot.wav_theory

Жыл бұрын

you can put your entire bodyweight into regular elbow strikes tho too. with gravity. like sitting on your punches but with elbows. you can absolutely throw your entire weight into a hook elbow. and that angle can hit the temple which is one of the weaest parts of the cranium

@zebraneighbor6383

Жыл бұрын

Applied pressure is also why punching someone with brass knuckles is so much worse than with a bare fist. It's not because the metal is harder than your hand, but rather because it concentrates the force of the punch to a much smaller surface area.

@lilboydafriend

Жыл бұрын

verbose way of saying "I don't know how to fight"

@kristosmarturos4970

11 ай бұрын

not if your clock is on a ceiling though

@mechadonia

7 ай бұрын

This is nonsense because regular elbow strikes are allowed and you can throw a regular elbow w the weight of the whole torso behind it just as easily. If I am on top of an opponent w ground n pound I throw an elbow 12-6 vs at an angle i can still throw my whole weight behind the strike and still have the assistance of gravity as well so the gravity stuff is also nonsense (just want to bring that up before another dingus mentions it). In fact when you throw an elbow at an angle you’re twisting your body across and using your obliques more which allows you to generate a ton of power, I would not be surprised if regular elbows are more powerful that 12-6 ones

The real undefeated champ right here. Mans a walking MMA encyclopedia.

Uriah Hall's spinning back kick was the hardest I ever saw someone get hit, super legal

@qEnergize

6 жыл бұрын

J Hall I cringe every time I see one land... surprised it hasn’t killed anyone in the UFC yet 👀

@CavemanJesus4Life

5 жыл бұрын

Cung Le in Strikeforce, some of his spinning back kicks hurt a lot of people

@oostanyogul149

5 жыл бұрын

yeah, but a spinning back kick to the face is really difficult to pull off

@Ason.Unique

5 жыл бұрын

Edson Barboza flying knee was super nasty aswell

@bedp

5 жыл бұрын

Same, to this day its the most brutal KO I've seen. I think alot of it has to do with the sound. Since there's no crowd you can hear the full impact and the worst part imo is hearing the guy gasping for air unconscious and contorted as fuck.

I love how he's basically just admitting "these clowns wanted to introduce dumb rules, so I played their game and made them dumber." Legend

@MoralesCorner

Жыл бұрын

How is he saying that ?

Holy crap! I had no idea just how pivotal UFC refs were behind the scenes. Much fuking respect.

Would like to see more clips like this. Great explanation.

Love learning. Thanks John for explaining.

Literally every arm technique is nothing compared to most kicks.

@Kennypowers51

6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Woollett-Light ya right dude, gimme nate diaz powerful arm punches over Cro Cop kicks any day.

@nathanjohnson7419

6 жыл бұрын

But if u get hit with a kick it's your own fault

@nathanjohnson7419

6 жыл бұрын

In the head I mean

@nathanjohnson7419

6 жыл бұрын

Jason Bliss yah and there's a reason u can't use kicks to someone with a hand on the ground

@nathanjohnson7419

6 жыл бұрын

Jason Bliss when's the last time u landed an execution style kick to the head? Probably never cause it's really fucking hard, even harder so against a trained fighter. Doesn't matter how trained u are, if u can barely move and someone smashing your orbital from above

Always liked John McCarthy I never realized how smart he is I heard he can whip some ass too

@aplus1080

5 жыл бұрын

Don Holbrook he was actually going to compete in the first or second ufc. He was a student of rorion's, if I remember right. He's the dude who scared the f out of art jimmerson before his fight with Royce - and hence why he tapped with no strikes thrown.

@Rocket4ce

4 жыл бұрын

I think he used to train LA SWAT. Before the first UFC.

Smart guy big John. Very eloquent and articulate, no er's, no um's or pauses. Easy to understand. I would love to talk like that in just everyday conversation and here he is on a live podcast talking and explaining stuff to the masses.

Big John is the man! 2:45 CD ROM... made on the computer... How high is Rogan LOL

Lol I just noticed big John wearing a Bellator shirt

You should have had Jones on here to explain the 12/6 elbows

I know I’m so late on this clip but his memory of each fight and what fight is related to the rule is incredible to me.

I would like to see the data also determine the impact of the 12-6 elbow while compressing the head into the mat. The other strikes mentioned here do not compress the head into the floor, which allows for natural biomechanics to help protect the athlete.

Big John is the best ref that ever reffed. Keep it up big man. Don't need to lose you

When he talked about the video they watched to ban 12 to 6 elbows there was a massive difference in size of the fighters.

He is such a top-notch guy and just an encyclopedia of the sport. You should have him on as much as possible.

John McCarthy is a very well-spoken person. Someone get this dude a show!

@Lambotino

5 жыл бұрын

Hes commentating for bellator now if that counts

John is so knowledgeable in the fight game!

Big John needs to be a voice actor

In this podcast Big John admits to telling the Fertitta brothers that paying fighters $1 million plus was a bad idea. He planted the seed that led to fighter pay issues that we currently hear about today. The fact he hasn't been called out on this is mind boggling.

Love big John, by far my most favorite ref in ANY sport

big john might low key be one of the most important people in MMA history easily

Gary Goodrich vs Paul Harrera. Those elbows weren't to the top the of the head, but absolutely brutal nonetheless.

I imagine the force from a true 12-6 elbow strike onto the top of the skull would be transmitted straight down into the spinal column. For lateral hits one has muscles and the freedom of movement to absorb much of the force. That's not the case in vertical strikes. A fighter on his feet can generate quite a lot of force -- probably best that force doesn't get delivered in a very small and hard contact area on top of the hollow brain case, not only because of the possibility of fracture but also spinal fracture and other damage.

"when in the fuck have you seen a clock on the ceiling?" made my day lol

The ending to this video seemed like an early stoppage

Herb Dean shit was hillarious :D Yet, I think he have a point. Your body position changes horizontally when you are on the ground, so you literally just doing same elbow just from different position horizontally.

Maybe doesn’t carry as much power, but it is not covered like a fist. I think if an elbow hits you from 12-6 it’s bound to do more damage than a hammer first from 12-6 mainly because there is no padding. Also, an elbow’s hit area is way smaller than a fist so more of the force is directed into a smaller area which can cause more damage. I see why it is not allowed and personally i agree

I still remember big john reffing the very first ufc events sporting the sick jogging pants and bobcat arms, living legend

I agree with Herbs interpretation. The 12-6 elbow should be relative to the fighters position not the ground plane. Leaning your torso forward 5 degrees makes the same strike legal. Gonna have referees carrying protractors and Flava Flav clocks on their necks.

Dam that was a technical discussion😱😱 John is a fountain of knowledge

Awesome interview!!!

He talks about it with such passion, it shows how much he cares for the sport and loves it.

When did Tommy Dreamer become a ref

to me the elbow is always more about getting cut and tore up. they make the fight a bloody mess more than any other strike.

@LastZepp1

5 жыл бұрын

Tell that to the knee strikes

steven tyler & big john! damn guys dope! young jaime and joe you bring great joy to my daily life.. as an electrician that hates his job.. These podcasts help. duders joe perrys book "Rocks" is dope! must check

Wish it’d say which number podcast this is. Would be easier to find the whole (hopefully full) 3 hours of this conversation!

I was under the impression that the 12-6 elbow was illegal only on the mat. The rule would make sense to me mostly because if a fighter has their head resting on the mat and it is struck directly towards the mat there would be a lot more energy staying where you're striking. (Didn't say that quite as well as I could have)... Example: You have a hammer and nail. You hit the nail on the head with the spike in mid air with the hammer. There's barely any damage to the nail. You hit the nail on the head with the spike on wood. There's barely damage to the nail, but more than in mid air. You hit the nail on the head with the spike on concrete. There's a lot of damage to the nail, but more than against the wood.

@uafc1

4 жыл бұрын

Makes no sense. Ban kicks if you are afraid of energy. Much more powerful and devastating

I guess that 12 to 6 elbow is bad as it will mainly target the fragile areas like the back and top of the head and the spine

@bighands69

6 жыл бұрын

An over hand right could just as easily land in the same area or a spinning elbow could do the same.

@omarmagdy4179

6 жыл бұрын

bighands69 but they dont happen as common ..

@AR-rk9nn

6 жыл бұрын

Omar Magdy correct

@nng1979

5 жыл бұрын

I remember a 300+ lbs Gary Goodridge used a volley of rapid 🔥 12-6 elbows on middleweight Paul Herrera while he had him crucifixed. It was insanely cool to watch but at the same time brutal as hell. He was literally knocked senseless and ultimately TKOed

@josephnestor7472

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the impact being magnified because your head is normally pinned to the ground if you are on the receiving end of and absorbing most of the impact. Kinda like the impact of a punch being much greater if the opponent is moving toward the striker than away. Makes total sense why it is illegal.

Big respect, Big John! You are the best ref in the UFC. I would die of a heart attack if I knew I was fighting and had Herb "smoked to much herb" Dean or Mario "miss everything" Yamaskai calling the shots.

never imagined this guy would be so well spoken and intelligent. seems like a cool bloke

The refs should ignore 12-6 now. Claim that they're 11:50-5:45's if called into question and let the fans/fighters enjoy life a little.

@qEnergize

6 жыл бұрын

sonicfuker haha yes 100%!

@Eddie_Gonzalez

6 жыл бұрын

Genius

@jasonbliss6030

6 жыл бұрын

Or you could just let it be. If you're still watching, it's still safer and you can enjoy it knowing that these people can absolutely go home to a family at the end of the night instead of a hospital. Js

@GoatMee

6 жыл бұрын

"Hey, that's 12-6!!!" "Nope, he missed by a couple of seconds."

@sonicfuker

6 жыл бұрын

@Jason: What are you talking about? You think a shin to the temple is better? Why don't you wrap them in bubble tape and have them play patty cake?

TIL Herb Dean has seen a clock on a ceiling.

Thanks Big John Mac, Thanks Joe Roe for allowing Big John to properly explain himself in this fantastic and informative interview conducted by two knowledgable professionals in MMA today!

Yes! God I love listening to the real experts on mma.

I think its more of a striking the top of the head issue. Shouldnt be able to hit the top or back of the head.

@billybadass8242

6 жыл бұрын

Phillip Gratton the top of your head is the hardest part of your skull man, I've broken my knuckle on my brothers head a couple times sparring lightly.

@unclephill4764

6 жыл бұрын

Lambroghini Mercy its not about hardness, its about spinal compression.

@WAzzzUUppp

6 жыл бұрын

Phillip Gratton well you ain’t allowed to hit the back of the head anyway, that’s illegal. And most of the time a 12-6 elbow will only come into play from the top mount, so most of the time the strike will hit the four head and face and maybe the top of the skull, and as John said 1-7 is legal 11-5 legal and it’s hardly much of a difference. It’s just stupid politics nothing more and nothing else.

@nathanjohnson7419

6 жыл бұрын

Phillip Gratton it's a smashing the top of the head whilst propped against the ground issue that is dangerous, as well as they can't defend themselves well when mounted

@FLMKane

5 жыл бұрын

Then why is an axe kick legal?

*Big John “Lookit” McCarthy* *what a swell guy*

9:01 This explains a lot about Mr Herb, I understand him now lol

that whole clock on the ceiling segment is fucking hilarious but it makes every bit of sense😂😂😂 god bless this sport

The elbows on the floor remind me of Conor vs Mendez and how herb told Mendez the elbows are legal

@ItzBundz

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s what I was thinking of too😂

Where is this podcast?

@SaintsBrees09

6 жыл бұрын

Charles Spence sometimes the clips go up before the real video which Is Joe rogan experience

@chuckdick877

6 жыл бұрын

SaintsBrees09 they record it live and you can watch it right after. Sometimes Jamie puts clips up while the podcast is still in process, but KZread is slacking with a lot of people. It’s on KZread now but I watched it on Twitter before they uploaded it again.

@thebuzz2010

5 жыл бұрын

It's on KZread just go on KZread and search joe and big John discuss the 12-6 elbow

Love this episode man

I’ve always been confused on the 12-6 elbow. This cleared it up.

So, it's settled, all the 12-6 illegal elbow crap is Lorenzo's fault.

Big Jon must guard the fountain of youth ....dude hasnt aged a day since 1992

The sport is extremely fortunate to have had Big John there at those crucial moments in the early days..

5:51 I remember watching IFC on video tape. My friends mom owned a video store so it didn’t matter that I was 7-8 years old. Me and my buddy watched em anyway. I think big John is talking about the guy that got put in a crucifix and got 12-6 elbowed to the temple maybe 5-6 times. The guys head was bobbling around while his body in the crucifix submission. Thought he was going to die.

Where is this full interview?

@hansgerber4191

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/hoydqZNpgZOWmKg.html

@benedicitesol4429

6 жыл бұрын

hans gerber thanks

Why haven't they uploaded the full podcast yet?

@Danimal77

6 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? It's uploaded.

@animatemate5603

6 жыл бұрын

Dan Maler - It is now, but this video was uploaded hours before the full podcast came out.

“When the fuck you seen a clock on the ceiling?!” That line killed me

great conversation.

Big John is the Neil Degrasse Tyson of MMA. He even sounds like him.

I think the placement of an elbow or knee (or any strike) to the fontanelles (top and back of the head) should obviously be illegal, but the logic of 12-6 elbow makes little sense other than what Big John alluded: there might be some kind of medical legal liability.