Two undeniable class acts...Peace be upon them both.

@mgtowlifeseasyifyoutry1274

5 жыл бұрын

They died christains

@carolbell8008

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Brian, love your music!! ♥️🎼🎶🎵🎵🎵🎵

@domenicoscarpa670

2 жыл бұрын

💩🙉🙉🤣

Jersey Joe Walcott is one of the most unappreciated heavyweights in boxing...such a classical fighting style & sharp accurate hard puncher

@ghana21

9 жыл бұрын

Ammar Z Yes sir, Jersey is my favorite heavyweight boxer

@ghana21

8 жыл бұрын

+George Foreman WHAT?? You don't know much about Jersey Joe, obviously

@ghana21

8 жыл бұрын

+Partha Duster FACTS

@ghana21

8 жыл бұрын

+George Foreman WOW, now you're getting desperate to make a point so you make it about race hahahahahahahaha. Pathetic

@carlgilkes596

8 жыл бұрын

+Bun B foreman would destroy Walcott, no doubt about it.

These 2 men are just pure class

@dirtyjew1974

5 жыл бұрын

2 of the greatest!

@harveystevens525

3 жыл бұрын

They both were true champ's

Walcott was a clever, cagey fighter with sneaky punching power and he would be trouble for any fighter in any era.

@johnrife7134

5 жыл бұрын

He played angles. Constantly and interrupt rythem. Studders his jab. He used so many unusual tricks.

@warrenrosen2326

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but Walcott did telegraph his right by dipping his shoulder. He did this once too often against Marciano.

@brandnew9834

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

@ghana21

3 жыл бұрын

@@warrenrosen2326 Rock also said that was the hardest puncher he ever fought.

@freddiereagan6705

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

I think it's a shame today's generation don't have enough footage and documentary on this era of boxing. Jersey Joe, Rocky, Joe & Archie Moore.

Amazing to see these two legends together in the studio watching themselves box each other after all the years. Brilliant. 💥🥊

Jersey Joe still lucid and clear even in the 1970s. He had a dynamite right hand.

2 of the greatest heavyweights to ever lace up the gloves and 2 of my favourites! Walcott was very underappreciated and underrated. Some of the best footwork in any weight division and a sharp counter puncher. Honestly I think Walcott peaked late in his career. I think he was better in his mid-later 30s, he was like a fine wine!

@brandnew9834

3 жыл бұрын

Somewhat like a heavyweight Archie Moore.

@dirtyjew1974

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandnew9834 great point

@larryjenkinson4789

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandnew9834 and they both dropped Rocky Marciano, no mean feat.

@brandnew9834

2 жыл бұрын

@@larryjenkinson4789 Yeah. Rocky Marciano led a remarkable life. He had that dangerous combination of a absolutely devastating overhand right and a real strong chin. But outside of that the guy was small, even by the standards of his era, and he wasn't that fast. He was almost a movie character in real life. Unlike most fighters, he knew when he was done. He knew when it was time to step away, so we never his Ali/Holmes Roy Jones/Tarver moments. He met a tragic end, but from what I've seen of him commentating he seemed like a good guy. He seemed very honest, but respectful as well. I guess it was a different era and TV was so new that people were at their best on air. But it's a shame he passed away so young. I would have loved to have gotten his take on Ali/Frazier, Ali/Foreman, Ali/Norton, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, and Duran.

@Studentofsweetscience

Жыл бұрын

​@@dirtyjew1974 ​Of course you would say Walcott peaked at the end of his career. Because you're Marciano fanboy.

Joe Louis ... the supreme boxer. Jersey Joe ... such a very clever boxer... brilliant.

What a fighter. Jersey Joe has some of the best footwork and feints of any HW boxer all time.

@harryheath4279

Жыл бұрын

Jersey Joe had the most cutest of moves and faints he was a different stylist for sure and a sharp hard puncher he hit Rocky so hard and often most men would have folded but the Rock was inhuman when it came to getting hit and his will was steel before Ali there was Jersey Joe yo they were stylish

I've got so much respect for Jersey Jo.

Jersey Joe was a real gem. Joe Louis was the greatest ever. I don't like to hear him compared to modern fighters or any fighters in general. there is just no comparison at all. He was a better man. Not just as a boxer. He did more for his country then most people realize. In WW2 he also fought for equal pay for black officers, ended the segregation of military exhibitions, etc. The pressures on him for the Schmeling rematch must have been unbelievable. The president himself held Joes arm and said "we need these muscles for freedom" It was a matter of national pride that Joe beat Max Schmeling which he did in round 1. During Joe's reign as champion the German war machine was conquering Europe and the German people seemed invincible at the time. It was up to Joe Louis to show the world they weren't. Joe handled all this publicity and pressure like the champ he was. It was also the first time a black man was the US national hero so he was under the microscope a lot and never did anything other then make his race, people, and country proud.

@rentslave

6 жыл бұрын

I may have agreed with you had he paid his taxes.

@Chief2Moon

5 жыл бұрын

+Tom Dockery Considering he gave his purse money to military relief organizations during his time in the service, then was taxed on this money he donated by the IRS, I'd say he got fucked.

@spirgtudsrubec7776

4 жыл бұрын

@@sollykhan2385 I wander who gives you the right to obliterate any human being with comments the likes of what you have written about Tom Dockery. I personally would not agree with what he has written, but he is entitled to have his opinion as anybody else would. As for his remark, i fail to see the racism you speak of in what he said. It comes across that you presume a lot from a short sentence.

@GottliebGoltz

4 жыл бұрын

Yup.!

@corndog4766

3 жыл бұрын

Beautifully written. I want our country to take care of his descendants for the rest of time for how they “repayed” his service.

Walcott was probably the best shoveling snap- puncher than any other heaveyweight and many other weights

15:18 - Walcott throws a few "up jabs", a punch rarely seen at that time. He had a more modern style, loose and relaxed, low hand position, shoulder/head movement. He would definitely would have been a formidable cruiserweight champ today.

@ghana21

7 жыл бұрын

Yep, even back then Don Dunphy regarded him as a throwback!

@carmencerpa5984

5 жыл бұрын

Walcot was/is amazing boxer in any era.

@GChris-ny8fp

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I noticed as well. His style was very modern for his time.

@michaelferreri1256

3 жыл бұрын

Don Dunphy’s blow by blow account is phenomenal. Extremely accurate and with almost constant action, a very difficult sport to give play by play.

@lefonzopollock4345

2 жыл бұрын

Walcott's style was called running away from a fight and wasn't appreciated back then. Even when the then called Clay (Mahmoud Ali) used the in and out with the dance, boxing experts said he'll never be champion because eventually he'll have to quit running and fight and that's when he would get knocked out. After Mahmoud proved that he could win with that style, it became acceptable for heavyweights to use it. Had Walcott came after Ali, he would have been one of the greatest ever. He even did a little shuffle lol.

Without question, Jersey Joe won the first fight!! Joe Louis and Jersey Joe real name Arnold Cream were both great men, American Hero's and Great African-American Legends, Winners and Great Souls!! Make the both RIP under God's eternal tender loving care!!

@Maurice76746

Жыл бұрын

They're not African, Africa's a continent not a race.

@Pedro_Le_Chef

9 ай бұрын

I wouldn't be so sure of Walcott getting that first fight without seeing the full fight footage. Only one judge gave Walcott the fight and that was with just one round over Louis. Hardly a robbery. The radio broadcaster also thought it was a close fight in the fifteenth round (4:04). How can it be a robbery when it is a close fight? That's not what a robbery is.

Two true gentlemen. I think Ali ended that tradition of virtue. The way he treated Frazier was disgraceful.

That was a superb fight! I love the way Jersey Joy Walcott moves, cakewalks, dances, for a big man totally brilliant. A smart, admirable man too. I guess Ali must have learned the butterfly moves from him.

Walcott outboxed Louis easily that first fight. Joe Louis even thought he lost, you can tell he was bullshitting when they asked him about it.

@viperfanaccount688

4 жыл бұрын

Why would he lie? Is his ego too big? I lost a bit of respect for Louis since he did t admit he lost on the show

@bossplayermfs5972

3 жыл бұрын

Viper Fan Account You full of shit.

@daveoliver5838

3 жыл бұрын

Walcott would have won this2nd fight also, but at 20:20 he began clowning, big mistake against Louis.

@sam-sy8jy

3 жыл бұрын

@@viperfanaccount688 its ok,, bcz,, the rock, knocked him thru the ropes, on their championship fight

@ghana21

3 жыл бұрын

@@daveoliver5838 he wasn't clowning, that was his style, he just made 1 too many movements, instead of peeling off, or firing

jERSEY jOE WAS A CRAFTY, SLICK, HARD PUNCHING MASTER BOXER.

@billoddiea

3 жыл бұрын

You bet he was. Marciano said he was the hardest puncher he ever fought.

Imagine trying to find a sparring partner to mimic jersey joe

This particular generation of fighters lewis, walcott, marciano..etc ie, the generation before ali Frazier, formeman etc. It seem like in the joe lewis generation its rare to see a punch drunk fighter. There gloves were smaller, fought more rounds, had more fights. It seems like the older guys were more durable. Lewis and walcott are old here and are very articulate. I saw a clip of archie moore in his 80's and he looked and sounded great. Them old guys were tough!!!

Even though they are about the same age Joe Louis looks about 10 years older than Jersey Joe. And no boxing announcer will ever touch Don Dumphy. These guys are all sorely missed.

@AntOfWar

7 жыл бұрын

seattwa I believe Joe started to do coke during this time according to his documentary

@callumcc8897

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree he aged terribly! Sadly he was broke

@brandnew9834

3 жыл бұрын

Joe took probably too many punches

@Mr.56Goldtop

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandnew9834 They ALL did. And with those light weight gloves from back then too.

@brandnew9834

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.56Goldtop Yes. It hurts my heart a little when people talk about guys fight several times a month back then. They just didn’t realize what they were doing to their bodies. Growing up in a gym with a rich history, 90% of the former fighters turned trainers slur their words. They deteriorate rapidly once they hit 50. It’s really sad.

Joe Lewis was loved, honored and respected by all. He represented the best of America. He became a victim of the fight game and the government tax collectors, but was always the champion of the people. Don't let the race baiters ever tell you different.

@RitasPartyCreationsHenrico

5 жыл бұрын

Van Little what the hell is a race baiter?

This documentary is priceless ❤️

It hard to believe as good as Jersey Joe Walcott lost 18 times! The guy was a beast!!

@Pedro_Le_Chef

9 ай бұрын

He was fighting the best of his time. 2 losses to Charles, 2 to Louis, 2 to Rocky when he was 39 years old. Rex Layne beat him on points. He was a great fighter nonetheless.

Wow! What class between those those two greats! I remember when I was a kid my father had a friend boxer named Jose "Chegüí" Torres and I asked him one time... "Don Jose... who is the best ever in Heavyweights? He said a few names Like Jack Johnson, Marciano, etc. but, he said, watching Joe Louis go to work was a thing of beauty", to me that meant that Joe in his prime was No. 1.

Walcott dropped Louis twice in the first fight

This must have been a great era in the heavyweight division. Wish I'd been there to see it.

@Only_Killy

6 жыл бұрын

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@lazurm

6 жыл бұрын

Why be there when you have KZread? If you were living then it'd be a lot harder to see the fight and you wouldn't have your pick of when to see it, for free no less. Nah, be happy you're here, now.

@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd

3 жыл бұрын

@@lazurm, Unfortunately, most of the fights we have on KZread have many incomplete or missing rounds

@lazurm

3 жыл бұрын

@@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd I'm not sure if it's most of the fights but, even if it was, I'd say that ALL of the fights of the past are missing if they weren't filmed and cataloged somewhere for us to see. Something good is a lot better than nothing good.

@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd

3 жыл бұрын

@@lazurm, Believe me when I say it was most of the fights. Take some time out of your day and look up all 27 of Joe Louis’ title fights and you’ll be shocked how many are just completely missing. That’s the heavyweight championship and we lost a significant amount of title fights. Henry Armstrong had 18 title defenses in 2 years and there aren’t even 10 of his defenses out there to be seen. His 15 round fight against Barney Ross only has 20-25 minutes available. There is only a minute and a half of Gene Fullmer vs Joey Giardello’s 15 round draw. They didn’t even hire a tv camera crew to record Ezzard Charles vs Archie Moore III Of course something is better than nothing, but really sitting down and trying to find fights can make someone with they were a millionaire in the 40s

That was an impressive tumbling display by Ozzie Smith during the commercial break.

They beat the joe out of each other.

@ezzards3882

5 жыл бұрын

TheMegaGamingWizard the first fight. Louis knocked him out in the second fight.

@censari544

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

This is beyond brilliant! Many thanks for posting!

ESPN Classics telecast this program another time. However, a great deal of it was cut. Thanks for posting this complete version.

@nicoleandrearodriguezsepul6355

7 жыл бұрын

pianopappy v

What a gem this is

I interviewed Jersey Joe Walcott in 1974 when he was the Boxing Commissioner of New Jersey. It’s a tape recorded interview. I asked him during the interview: “Who was the greatest fighter you ever fought?” He responded: “It’s a fighter you probably never heard of. The greatest fighter I ever fought was a fighter by the name of Tiger Jack Fox. I fought Fox 2 times. He knocked me out in our first fight and decisioned me in the second. I learned more from those two fights with Fox than from fighting any other fighter in my career. I rate him above Louis, Marciano, Charles, Lee Q. Murray, Joe Baski, and all the rest. There wasn’t anything he couldn’t do in the ring and do it well. He truly was one of our great fighters.” Joe Louis, himself, once referred to Tiger Jack Fox as “the most dangerous man in the ring.”

Ali is an all time great, but THE greatest for me will always be Joe Louis!!

@scottsharp5337

6 ай бұрын

Me too. Louis defended the title 25 times and for 12 years. A record that stands even today. Joe Louis is the Greatest of All Time !!! And a classy Champion in and out of the ring who did not talk trash.

WOW!! This was awesome. Sure, you can see these fights elsewhere on KZread. But, I like that I get to see this with both Champs points of view. Thanx for posting this!

I would have thought Joe Louis would have been more humble than that and admit he DID lose to Walcott the first time. Most stalker style fighters all use the same excuse when they lose, "he ran"...

@garykapral1088

2 жыл бұрын

Iy

Mi admiración a estos 2 maestros del boxeo

Walcott won the first fight.

@Freestylssz

8 жыл бұрын

+Dry Profit it was a highway robbery.

@carlgilkes596

8 жыл бұрын

so you reckon you know better than the experienced judge.

@Freestylssz

8 жыл бұрын

+Carl Gilkes so if a well known legendary fighter were to say "Joe Louis was only a slugger, all he could do was punch. he couldn't box and had no hand speed" would you believe him when the facts prove that when he is saying is utter bs? I mean are you trying to say you know more than this legendary fighter?? no, you are simply stating the facts. people lie and make mistakes, facts don't.

@hueyfreeman1983

6 жыл бұрын

Carl Gilkes it doesn't take a genius to know that Walcott won the first fight

@underzog

5 жыл бұрын

No one expected Walcott to do so well, so they wouldn't award him the championship as they would've Billy Conn if Billy Conn followed Walcott's Strategy in the last rounds.

Jersey Joe was a great fighter very underated he did beat Louis the first fight and knocked Marciano down to but Rocky would knock him out later. Jersey Joe was a great heavyweight.

Jersey Joe was as crafty as they came. Joe Louis was Joe Louis! Bigger then life and as classy as they came.

Thank you for this.

A great moment in this great bout was when Walcott apologised for a backhanded punch, A true sportsman and one of the great boxers of his time. as had been Louis pre war. Two favourite boxers who could show todays fighters a thing or two aboiut boxing and how to conduct yourself as a professional sportsman.

Jersey Joe was always on the cusp of maybe becoming one of the greatest of all time. He gave Louis and Rocky a hard time.

@AdamSpade

Ай бұрын

How can you say he WASN'T one of the greatest of all time? Look what he went through just for a shot at being champ and the guy was still prime all through his 30's. Walcott is one of those boxers that I think will always be underrated, along with Marciano, because people don't understand boxing and how styles make fights, and also their time period is not even close to being appreciated enough to consider anyone from that era a challenge to modern fighters, which is such crap. Walcott damn near beat both Marciano and Louis. To me that was the most interesting time period for boxing. People are too busy trying to rank their heroes to understand the concept of paper rock scissors. Walcott is a GOAT. Period.

Jersey Joe seemed to get better with age, while Joe got worse, Walcott was four months older than Joe.

Good to see the two kidding around 😁🏆

These fighters with never be matched in todays world as great men.

Jersey Joe not only hit like a truck, he had a tremendous chin as well. Along with great conditioning. They don't make them like they used to.

Taxation is theft. God bless the greatest champion ever. Joe Louis.

Two Greats.... Thanks for footage

It's kind of amazing that these fighters with all the professional fights they had don't appear to have the cognitive issues that modern day fighters develop. If you didn't know they are fighters you wouldn't be able to know they were fighters by talking to them. I wonder what age they began training and fighting? Just to know if the age a fighter begins the sport increases the probability of developing cognitive issues, like Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, Tommy Hearns, James Tony to name a few where predisposed to developing issue because they started younger. I don't know what age any of those fighters began boxing except Holyfield who I think began training at 9. I'm a little surprised because although I've watched film on Joe Louis and Jersey Joe (my newly found favorite fighter from that era) I haven't heard them talk. I'm expecting two punch drunk ex-fighters and I was taken aback by how articulate they were.

@davidbrandel1311

Жыл бұрын

You can thank PEDs for the cognitive issues that modern fighters seem to have.

@orionsimerl6539

Жыл бұрын

@@davidbrandel1311 not Peds probably getting punched in the face, James Toney, Evander Holyfield, and who ever else. But that's the choice you make to be a legend in the sport. Watching some of these old fights I was surprised by how aware and articulate these fighters were.

Classic ♥️🔥👍 Real value, real class 💯 Watching today 2021 Thku

Walcott was probably the most skilled heavywheight in that era but seems to have had trouble fading in the latter rounds

@Pedro_Le_Chef

Жыл бұрын

He definitely was one of the most skilled ones for sure, but I wouldn't say more skilled than Ezzard and Louis.

@Pedro_Le_Chef

5 ай бұрын

@kam5914 Yeah, I don't know if I agree with my comment anymore. It's hard to rank Walcott, Ezzard and louis based on skill. Walcott fought Louis when he had slowed down, and Ezzard fought him when he was washed up. Walcott himself was somewhat diminished by the time Chares got to him, and then Ezzard also slipped past his prime somewhere between his fights with Walcott. I'd say Walcott and Charles were about equal at their best with Walcott being an overall better heavyweight due to his extra size and power and Louis was the better offensive fighter while not being as good defensively as those guys. All three are at the top in terms of skill and finesse though.

This is an awesome upload i appreciate it.

Wow, am I glad I discovered this. What a gem. I always wondered what happened to Walcott in the second fight. When I would watch the replay of the 11th round, he seemed kinda distracted about the time of the KO. Turns out he had been having ongoing trouble with the ref that was distracting him. Take nothing away from Louis, but that confirmed my suspicions.

Schmeling,Walcott, Charles, Marciano all landed the big right hand on Louis since he had a bad habit of keeping his left elbow too low leaving his face open. He's lucky he fought an old Max Baer,A young Max Baer had the best right hand.Walcott beat him all night unfair decision. Its a shame what the government did to Joe Louis

@viperfanaccount688

5 жыл бұрын

I agree Walcott won the fight but why does everyone say “the government robbed joe Louis”?

@verongraham8534

5 жыл бұрын

Louis v Baer was only a year after Max lost the title. Baer had the hardest right hand but Joe was just too much for him.

@Pedro_Le_Chef

Жыл бұрын

Max was fighting Joe with a broken right hand (injury from his last fight with Braddock), however, I doubt that he would've won even if his hand was healed. Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight to this day, and I doubt any man other than Liston or Ali could soundly beat him in his prime.

I remember once watching an interview with Jack Dempsey and the Manassa Mauler claimed Joe Louis had a glass chin. My dad wasn't best please as Louis a fellow WW2 veteran was his hero. He walked onto those right hands from Walcott doubling the power of the punch and did well to get up. Walcott had the best footwork of any heavyweight ever including Ali. He boxed like a heavyweight version of Willie Pep and seemed to glide round the ring. The way Jersey Joe got his opponents to walk onto his counters was absolutely masterful.

@bossplayermfs5972

2 жыл бұрын

And Dempsey was a scared to fight black fighters so he can claim what he wants but he wouldn’t win against Jack Johnson, Sam Langford, or Joe Louis.

@Pedro_Le_Chef

Жыл бұрын

No glass jaw holds the title for 12 consecutive years.

This was a good series back in the day

Don Dunphy is the greatest blow by blow announcer ever.

Joe Louis is obviously, Joe Louis. Along with Muhammad Ali, Louis is the most beloved heavyweight Champion of all time. But Jersey Joe Walcott is one of my favorite heavyweights as well. The man was a brilliant technician. That broken rhythm style was special. Would have loved to see Walcott in with Evander Holyfield.

Check out the First Ali {Clay} vs.Liston fight. Walcott was the ref. He had a better build than both fighters. He had the upper body of a 220 pounder. But he had chicken legs. So he only weighed 200.

Joe Louis forever.....

A wonderfully dated program for 2020 viewers, looking back at a time Even Previous to the time of the TV program. Great old champions, Louis and Walcott, though - wonderful banter and good humour. Kings of the Ring.

Greatest boxing rivalry

excellent interview by both men kings of the ring and they'r charecter in tack

Timeless footage

Jersey Joe...very underestimated fighter..

Wait, you knew Jose Torres? A great fighter, a scholar and all round renaissance man! That must have been an education for you!

both were class acts

Great champion !!!!!!

Both were gentlmen and great fighters...

I remember when Curt Gowdy was the announcer for the Boston Red Sox soon after became a national announcer. Curt reminds me of Jim Nantz.

Did any of these two fight Apollo Creed?

jersey joe what a legend...

When TV came on the scene and athletes fought for more than money this some good stuff

what are you talking about? walcott was one of the very best.

indeed. Walcott should be in the top 10 heavyweights in history

G**D**n, Joe Louis 25th title defense, you can't get these champions today to fight three fights in ten years.

The two guys that gave Louis the most trouble during that era were Conn and Walcott. And the reason for this is because they were both great deceptive boxers. Especially Walcott, now you magnify that by ten, with additional height, being fleet-footed, weight, and possibly the fastest hands in heavyweight history And you have Muhammad Ali. Now if he had trouble with Conn and Walcott to the point were he was dropped a.number of times by Walcott and almost knocked out by Conn. What do "you" think would have occurred in a fight against Ali. It would have been a great fight and one of the reasons for that is because Ali was not a knock out puncher. However I believe that Ali would have prevailed in a fight between the two. Now Joe was great, not taking anything away from the Brown Bomber but I think.that the Greatest would have got him.

@bossplayermfs5972

2 жыл бұрын

You’re entitled to your opinion, but there’s no way you can look at two fights and make a conclusion like that the fights with Jersey Joe Walcott Louis was past his prime, and the fight with Conn the Louis KO’d him. If Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier, Chuck Wepner were able to find, hit, and drop Muhammad Ali then there’s no way in hell that you can believe that Joe Louis wouldn’t be able to hit him and win the fight. Those fighters didn’t have 1/2 the gifts that Joe Louis was blessed with especially hand speed, pinpoint accuracy, and power all wrapped into one. I respect Ali but styles makes fights and Louis himself explained how he would beat Muhammad Ali and you can read his statement on and compare it to him fighting in his prime years and he KO’s Ali. No fighter ever survived once Joe Louis got them hurt he finished them with KO’s and all of the boxing historians will tell you that 💯.

@michaelwilks6268

2 жыл бұрын

@@bossplayermfs5972 Well you say that Joe was past his prime against Walcott. You might be somewhat right to a certain extent regarding their initial encounter. But what about the time that Walcott was kicked out of Joe's training camp for dropping him during his preparation for the Schmeling fight. For showing him up that was during the height of his heyday if you recall. And no matter what you say my friend no way in hell would Billy Conn have nearly dropped him and out boxed him for almost their entire first fight until he got carless, without speed and deceptiveness, Louis with all due respect looked like a lion killer when he was up against flat footed right in his face slug for slug guys like Primo Carnera, Buddy and Max Baer, Two Ton Tony Galento, the bum of the month club guys essentially. That's when his speed an accuracy and punching power shined through like superman fighting mortals. But when he came across fast crafty smart fighters, hitting him from different angles. And throwing more than one punch at a time they gave him trouble. And who fits that description better than anybody in the heavyweight ranks than Ali. And Ali had a better chin and recuperative abilities than people gave him credit for even when he was Cassius Clay. In the final analysis I'm not saying who would win, neither you nor I can determine that one way or the other for sure. This is purely and primarily my opinion based on the film footage that I watched of both men over my 60 odd years of life. Oh and I left out one other guy that I felt gave him a slight problem for a little while during their championship fight. And that was James J Braddock he had a little slickness and he was a rugged old school fighter. An even as inconsequential as it was he did drop Louis. An Schmeling saw something during their initial encounter when he knocked out a young up and coming Louis. Those guys were pretty solid old school fighters that understood the subtle nuances of the fight game.

@bossplayermfs5972

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelwilks6268 Once again let me educate you son, Walcott never trained with Louis for his rematch for Schmeling so that’s a lie. And you listed some of the men that Joe Louis all of them with either champions of their state or top contenders he did the bum of the month club cause at that time it was up and coming fighters that couldn’t get a title fight even with them having a decent record, John Henry Lewis was one of them and people always talk about the Billy Conn fight but Joe Louis knew that Conn was a mover and he ran from the first 3 rounds of the fight that’s why Louis said when the reporters asked him about Conn “He can run, but he can’t hide.” One of the most amazing quotes ever and Louis KO’d. There was a fighter by the name of Lou Nova that was 5 times quicker than Conn and Louis hit him with the hardest punch ever in history according to the Ray Arcel trainer of the great Roberto Duran and referee Arthur Donovan. On Ali he was a athletic phenomenon from 63-66 and he had good recouping abilities but the fighters that dropped Ali Sonny Banks, Henry, Cooper, Joe Frazier, and Chuck Wepner weren’t nowhere near as skilled and gifted as Louis the easiest punch in boxing is the left hook and yet Muhammad Ali couldn’t see in time enough for him duck or move out of the way from it. And after his 3 and 1/2 year ban the Ali that everyone loved the 63-66 version was no more he had gain a lot weight he was taking thyroid pills he couldn’t dance around the ring like used to he got his jaw broken by Kenny Norton he lost his title to a fight that had on six win and when he won the fight that made it win number seven for him in one Leon Spinks. People try to disrespect Louis but he never lost his to anyone he was on top for 12 years 1937-1949 as heavyweight champion 25 title defenses 22 won by KOs he fought 96 exhibitions in the military went he went to serve his country in World War 2 and if he wasn’t in the military those years he records would have been even more mind boggling but will match or surpass his 25 title defenses and we definitely aren’t going to any boxer in the modern time hold on to the title for 12 years. It’s alright for you Ali supporters to love him but what y’all not going to do is disrespect the man that paved the way for Muhammad Ali dance and gloat over his opponents when rules were made for the great Joe Louis not to do that cause it could start a riot. My grandfather served with Joe Louis in WW2 and that was his hero amongst millions of black men and women and children he was their hope to be anything that they wanted to be. So y’all need to stop disrespecting and putting down Joe Louis cause if it was him Ali wouldn’t exist and he said out of his own mouth on the Arsenio Hall show that he two inspirations were SRR and Joe Louis and it’s ironic cause Ray Robinson’s idol also was Joe Louis and prove of it there’s a video called “How Great Was Joe Louis?” And you Ray Robinson say that Joe Louis was his idol so respect your elders son 💯.

@michaelwilks6268

2 жыл бұрын

@@bossplayermfs5972 You know people always try to sound knowledgeable when they're not. And want to hurl denigrating remarks at people when they don't know what they're talking about. Look it up and you'll see that I never said anything about his rematch with Schmeling. I actually never mentioned which one of the fights that I was referring to I took it for granted that you the die hard Brown Bomber fan would automatically know which. I truly don't understand your furor regarding the issue. Because no matter how heated you may become regarding the two fighters. As I stated previously neither one of us will ever know who would have prevailed all either of us can do is speculate. However if you are a true blue boxing fan you wouldn't allow your emotions to run away with you in the manner that you do. You would look up the facts as I do and take a chill pill, because I have no vested interest in it one way or the other. I just watch the film footage and look up facts instead disrespecting other people's opinion like a 6 year old child.

@bossplayermfs5972

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelwilks6268 Look kid you got it obviously you can’t handle facts so I’ll leave it at that.

Golden Era of Box

Walcott started at 16yo; and took many fights on short notice, while working full time jobs early in his carrer. Almost all his loses came aganist highley rated comp. The Walcott of the first Louis/(robbery), first Marciano (near win), third Charles, bouts would have given Frazier trouble.

@uversa7

Жыл бұрын

Didn't look like a near win, especially in 15. Rock banged his head savagely for an extended period with Walcott unable to answer back. His body was on full automatic survival run while his head was senseless. He boxed until Rock wore him down to nothing. Walcott's experience couldn't match Rock's conditioning and granite chin. Walcott's best punch early on put Rock down for 2 counts. After that attempt, it was pretty much downhill for Rock. In their next meeting Rock polished him off fast. Walcott did not want a repeat so he stayed down, then walked away with $90,000+ with his head still intact. I agree that Walcott would beat Ali just as other fighters like Spinx did.

Damn Joe never did stop dropping that left hand......

Jersey Joe got Louis stuttering when he asked him "are you serious Joe?"

2 great champs with pure class. These 2 would whip any fighter in the last 25 years in the heavyweight division. The fight game is a joke today!

If Joe Louis had this much trouble with Jersey Joe, imagine Joe Louis against a young Ali, who was much faster on his feet than Jersey Joe. Joe Louis always had trouble with boxers who were fast on their feet. He almost lost to Billy Conn. I think Jersey Joe was a little too cute with his dancing. He should use his footwork to get out of trouble, not to show off. Had he paid attention to business, he wouldn't have gotten knocked out (almost killed) by Marciano.

@bossplayermfs5972

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, this was a older Joe Louis in this bout with Jersey Joe Walcott i overstand you are infatuated with Ali but no way Ali beats a prime Joe Louis.

@Maurice76746

Жыл бұрын

Louis was past his prime at this time, that was the last great victory of Joe Louis.

I always wished if Joe Walcot had a trainer like Stewart, or the Panamenian master..I forget his name... And dedicated all his time to fight and train, he would not be as underrated. Same thing I think about Lamotta, although I'm not saying Jake Lamotta was underrated, but with a real good trainer.. things would have probably ended better for him, 'cause he was a monster!

Imagine Walcott on Steroids ?

@geewhizz1970

3 жыл бұрын

@My TV Tyson, was on STEROIDS peckerhead. 🤩

Joe Louis was a great fighter and person…. loved the guy. The same could be said for Walcott… I thought Walcott won the first fight… The first Marciano- Walcott fight, I believe Walcott was beating Marciano until the 13th rd knockout … Their second fight was stopped too early, although I believe Marciano would have won any which way…. Just an opinion….

I agree with Brian Wilson

@terrybates5509

4 жыл бұрын

@Wiley Wallaby bwahaha....... That's what I was thinking........ Wish they all could be California girls with me ring side

Wasnt it Ray Arcel?

Since when did Joe Louis ever try to get out of the ring BEFORE THE DECISION ? Was there any other time , I don't think so.

I think Jersey Joe was prepared for the one two.._..._..but not the three four.

Epic

I wonder who would have won Walcott vs Frazier?

4:25, Louis knew himself he’d lost it walks out of ring. Walcott was robbed.

Jersey would have beaten all them mugs that are around today

@ghana21

8 жыл бұрын

PERIOD

@patrickparker8417

8 жыл бұрын

Full stop even .

@robertoday7526

7 жыл бұрын

Michael Cannon nonsense

@13:33 JJW really clocked Joe Louis that time but JL gets right up. WOW.

24:46 Talk about CLASS !!

There's a fine "pair to draw to" Yup.!

1950’s seems like 200 hundred years ago