Soon as I moved to LA I realized artists were broke, film industry too

@uriellevelupriley684

4 ай бұрын

Me too 💯🎯✨🎯

@hirograveyard8236

4 ай бұрын

Same bro. Same. It’s actually disgusting tbh

@Zackey-Zackk

4 ай бұрын

Bingo

@JusNBL2000

4 ай бұрын

There isn’t any money in the Us like that period yal watch “The Wolf of wall street” when they asked Jordan Belford “What happens if they wanna pull the stock” he said “What money?” That told me alot of this bullshit is an illusion

@curtissimmons2287

4 ай бұрын

Drake not broke

Remember Prince warned us about this years ago.

@tylerd1297

4 ай бұрын

Prince kinda ruined the message with his greed. He was right to do what he did in the 90s but then turned into a tyrant striking down everything online with his name/music.

@tylerd1297

4 ай бұрын

@@ginko154 no he's my idol. I simply disagree with how he went about it. He infamously had a video of a toddler dancing to Let's Go Crazy taken off of Facebook. But he was right for a lot of what he did, like keeping his music off KZread. I think he could have done more to give us something on here like his newer music but I respect his choice.

@Thespeedrap

4 ай бұрын

He was very prophetic we just should've listened to him and just started going indie and underground look what happened to TLC Toni Braxton etc.

@mikediddyTV

4 ай бұрын

@@tylerd1297you’re simply mad at him because he kicked a toddler off KZread / Facebook because he was dancing to HIS music. You gots to be kidding me! 🥴😂 The bigger picture outweighs a toddler dancing. C’mon now.

@tylerd1297

4 ай бұрын

@@mikediddyTV no I've followed prince my whole life and gave one example. I said I disagreed with how he went about it but understood his point of view. Where are you getting that I'm mad?

Streaming Killed Music. Once it became expendable. Where you no longer have to purchase physical copies. Businesses and listeners lost ...

@mikediddyTV

4 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@bigq2696

4 ай бұрын

And on top of that you can do it yourself as a independent artist.

@bigq2696

4 ай бұрын

@@macverishe3480 I remember back in the day guys were popping open the trunk and selling cds pocketing more money than some rappers.

@DeeJoyce

4 ай бұрын

​@@macverishe3480that's killing authentic music if the artist aren't even needed anymore. But maybe this needed to happen to dismantle these labels from their slavery tactics.

@yungwill9179

3 ай бұрын

@@bigq2696nigga you quoting Nas lyrics and Papoose.

Times has definitely changed. You don’t need a major label anymore.

@jerrylanes8354

4 ай бұрын

That’s what they want you to think back then you didn’t need a label that’s why niggas in Texas got money they sticking to old ways

@nola5045

4 ай бұрын

At all

@UnseenAsyluM209

4 ай бұрын

Need money tho

@urasenseii

4 ай бұрын

@@UnseenAsyluM209time to get a job

@MusicEnthusiast2011

4 ай бұрын

A lot of artists need it

It’s definitely all about having a side hustle Rihanna didn’t become a “billionaire”until she stated a skin care & lingerie line she’s in no rush to put out an album.

@jafar1902

4 ай бұрын

Yea but before that she was close to 200 million😂😂 like let’s calm down she was making hella money she stopped music becayse she ain’t inspired

@Tbaby9361

4 ай бұрын

@@jafar1902 do u now the difference between having a billion dollars and having close to 200 million both are rich but it’s a big difference. She stoped music because there’s little money in selling records now.

@TheGuillotineKing

4 ай бұрын

She said she doesn't put anything out because it won't do better than her biggest album

@ZackAngelMusic

4 ай бұрын

​@@jafar1902Music becomes harder to sell when there is not a physical product, aka CDs, Vinyl, Tape. Especially if it can be illegally downloaded in a second.

@ZackAngelMusic

4 ай бұрын

​@@jafar1902200 million is a ton of money, but noway an artist will make that much now. Physical product don't sell now so, better to move to something that can physically sell better like merch and makeup

Literally damn near EVERY song on various Spotify playlist sounds EXACTLY the same in every genre, except underground Hip Hop.

@purplekief8154

4 ай бұрын

Remember back day? If QTip made a beat, JuJu from the Beatnuts would have NEVER used the same snare or kick

@xorealslowmd

3 ай бұрын

Including underground hip hop **

@BlaccPreZidon

3 ай бұрын

​@@purplekief8154Everything is fair by Tribe and No Equal by The Beatnuts use the same Drum loop. Try again yute hahaahahaha!!!!!!!!

@nathanjarrelle

2 ай бұрын

Every genre? 🧢

@nate4nate5

2 ай бұрын

@@nathanjarrelle Reading is fundamental, thereafter comprehension is the objective, is “Damn Near” not in the sentence? Also the word “EXCEPT”? Put your 🧢 back on hope it’s adjustable.

The music industry did it to themselves by not putting real music out.

@natefrm3rdnation332

4 ай бұрын

Streaming and technology has done the damage. Real music will always be made, there’s just way more bs than ever…

@MaxIsBackInTown

4 ай бұрын

You know nothing at the music industry if that’s what you think.

@clayalston7960

4 ай бұрын

@@MaxIsBackInTown Are you serious? Stevie Wonder can see how bad things become.

@jahvohnymcintosh

4 ай бұрын

Facts!!

@jahvohnymcintosh

4 ай бұрын

@@clayalston7960 no 🧢 right there fr!! 😂😂😂😂😂

Labels did themselves in with their greed. The need to control the market has killed the market. When the entity that owns a monopoly on the market is incompetent, the whole market will crash.

@youngriley3473

4 ай бұрын

The labels are reactive. They play a part and incentivize the bs however alot of bs artists get on by going “viral” on social media but ultimately the consumers create the market In the internet era and doesn’t know the power of “attention”.

@Thatbenjamindoe

4 ай бұрын

This

@azraelfirstofhisname8695

4 ай бұрын

Agreed we’ll said

@ShopRichSpirits

4 ай бұрын

1000%

@statpadford

4 ай бұрын

@@macverishe3480 In my opinion, limiting music to being only on Spotify/Apple/KZread ruined music. The need to make a dollar off of every stream ruined music. Strict copyright strikes on KZread for creators using music in their videos ruined music. You’ve limited the use of music, you’ve limited its reach, and you’ve lost valuable free promotion. Now nobody really listens to music unless they are in the mood. Podcasts and KZread videos have replaced music for me in terms of daily listening because music has pigeonholed itself to that. I can’t even review a song on KZread without getting a strike.

I actually miss going to the store on Tuesdays to buy CDs. The streaming services don’t have the same quality of music that CDs provide.

America is done not just hiphop

@Thespeedrap

4 ай бұрын

Bingo U.S is about as great as a backstabbing snake that thinks it's all strong when really is very weak pathetic and ridiculous.

@davidharris831

4 ай бұрын

True that fam

@qtrellx7174

4 ай бұрын

I’ve said this for the past ten years…..hip hop died in the late 2000s and American died after the 08 stock market crash…..we been livin on economical life support

@Thespeedrap

4 ай бұрын

@@qtrellx7174 I agree with you and sadly it's only gotten worse just because alot of these award shows have shunned Hip-hop music for decades and I find it funny that last year they acknowledged it 50 years but 50 years of what ?????😒just trash entertainment for poor black people to aspire how sad.

@TeganHoney

4 ай бұрын

Facts

A lot of K-Pop artists are American. Asian American rappers that didn’t pop here, go back overseas and get bread. Snacky Chan was an Indie, Backpack rapper in the states but became a K-Pop artist in Korea. Chinese wise, Jin didn’t pop in America so he went to Hong Kong and got paid.

@moee_thyself

4 ай бұрын

Africans too A lot of Uk/usa artists suddenly embrace their African roots because they want to go viral in the afrobeats trend with African artists and tap into the TikTok dance base

@unclemurdablackandyellow5481

4 ай бұрын

That makes sense I couldn't figure out why the k pop artist don't sound Korean.

@KA-yk7cz

4 ай бұрын

jin is not k-pop.

@toneriggz

4 ай бұрын

@@KA-yk7cz Hence why I said “Chinese wise”

@kierrataylor5653

4 ай бұрын

Cause that’s what DaBeautifulKey is doing !

Prince called it! God rest his soul.

Great Hip Hop and RnB music left with the record stores 5:46

@Imlastudios

4 ай бұрын

🎯

@warnutztheloser

4 ай бұрын

💯

@ramsescano5622

2 ай бұрын

Underground hip hop has been consistently great tho

The one thing that Joe is ABSOLLUTELY right on here is the fight between UMG and TikTok - the number of acts stranded on UMG and all of their subsidiaries that just lost the promo mechanism that the industry has been aggressively telling them THAT is what they must do to get the kids (and god help you if you built your audience there)... it's already impacting the charts en masse and it's going to leave a lot of acts "underperforming" when in reality it's far from their fault.

@kensane3588

4 ай бұрын

It’s funny, because the labels definitely invested in killing independent acts on SoundCloud by signing the untalented ones and then made the next decade of acts think they needed major labels again.

@missmarionlewis

4 ай бұрын

I've been saying this for a while now. Everybody and they momma going on tour. Beyonce not making no music videos no more. If she goes back on tour with the next then I'm really convinced.

@ad3098

4 ай бұрын

@@missmarionlewis No music video, because she can make a doc and sell it making more money. Be it through a streaming platform (Netflix, Disney, Prime - past partners) or through theaters

How is there American K-pop when K-pop is a bad imitation of American pop in the first place 😂😂

@Cahluvca

4 ай бұрын

🎯

@la6136

3 ай бұрын

One thing K Pop has over American artists in any genre is performance. They know how to dance. All American artists do is shake their ass. Rappers just jump around on stage they don't do anything.

The mainstream basically pimped Hip-Hop and saturated the market with it until it became played out and everyone got sick of the sound. They aged the genre like a presidential term. I saw this shit coming 10 years ago when blockbuster movie OST's were crammed full of Hip-Hop tracks that didn't even fit with the movie at all. They're moving on to the new cash-cow which is Latin music.

@Thespeedrap

4 ай бұрын

It's a shame that black people need to own their own businesses in the music and entertainment center maybe that's why we need reparations RIght NOW.

@JD-ny3vz

4 ай бұрын

Latin music won't have staying power the entire industry is washed

@artistaccount

2 ай бұрын

​@@Thespeedrapdid you know the Stratocaster guitar was going to be discontinued until Hendrix started using it it became the most famous and sold guitar but Hendrix never got money off sales even though his influence literally saved that guitar from being discontinued. History repeats cause the labels and execs got rappers on 360 deals and now rap is going downhill

@valobit

2 ай бұрын

@@artistaccountThat is hilariously wrong. The Stratocaster came out when Jimi was 12 and was already an iconic guitar with a ton of history before Jimi even got his hands on one. It was no where near being discontinued before he chose it, nor after

@artistaccount

2 ай бұрын

@@valobit Google it KZread it. It's true Hendrix saved that guitar and made the most famous guitar ever

There is nothing new under the sun. Support independent artists, they are the ones with the creativity in there genes because of passion. Nothing has been original in a very long time and I mean going back to the 1800’s. Music is constantly recycled, has been for generations, nothing necessarily wrong with that but I also think it’s over saturated, it’s too easy, accessible to do music now, SO much content being thrown out it just makes you want to listen to your small circle of artists and that’s it.

@msbeautyboss3784

4 ай бұрын

Independent artist have been supported highly on TikTok. People always say to “support independent artists” but if people do not know who they are-how are we suppose to support them. Independent artists need to find a way to market their music for people to listen to…

@Dmm314

4 ай бұрын

@@msbeautyboss3784 It’s not my problem to figure that out. It’s in the artist best interest to find an effective way to promote their art. Word of mouth is still very effective. Not everything needs instant gratification, because the downside of that is whatever the art is holds no weight and people will move on to the next thing. Take your time, better your craft, let whatever is outside of your control fly. That’s it.

@urasenseii

4 ай бұрын

@@msbeautyboss3784 tiktok never supported independent artists.

I love these conversations because I feel the JBP and to an extent Akademicks are the only ones giving it up on the music industry like this.

@RonicBeatsz

4 ай бұрын

Why did you add the to an extent with AK, because AK is the most in depth when it comes to the music industry.

@Josephchomba88

4 ай бұрын

Ak is the OG when it comes to industry content

@darnelldarden9429

4 ай бұрын

Facts

@HHGoverment

4 ай бұрын

Lmaooo

@Peanutcoladaa

4 ай бұрын

Yupp

Being part of the music industry must be HELL

@bigq2696

4 ай бұрын

And they wonder why chance the rapper never signed.

@SVGIN

4 ай бұрын

It is helll.....most rappers are dead or in jail

@bigq2696

4 ай бұрын

@@SVGIN To bad there's not enough real ones.

I remember SchoolBoyQ said he makes more money golfing.

Hot take from Joe but I see it, artistry and talent isn't important, streaming and virality is to labels. Look at the quality of music last year

@LODphantom

4 ай бұрын

That's the plan

@JM-qn3tf

4 ай бұрын

Duh

@iFix43

4 ай бұрын

Facts

@darthknowl9222

4 ай бұрын

Last five years

@fadethechannel

4 ай бұрын

“Hot take” 😂😂😂 artistry and talent was NEVER important to the music BUSINESS. As long as it sells, they will sell it. This ain’t new smart guy.

Great time for the independent artists.

Another problem is ppl think clout and followers equals more streams

Yep, they stopping ninjas from getting paid with rap/hip hop. Time to take control and start making cds and start back selling them out the trunk or getting a website and sell your music from there. And once you establish that, STAY AWAY from those record labels. DO YOUR OWN THANG!!

@Imlastudios

4 ай бұрын

🎯

@tonylove1275

4 ай бұрын

You know they stopped making CDs we just got to get out here and use Word of Mouth to keep money coming in

@greenacres1739

4 ай бұрын

Cd baby still makes cds@@tonylove1275

@nathanjarrelle

2 ай бұрын

That’s easy to say when it’s hard to get seen or noticed by the general public as an independent artist.

@greenacres1739

2 ай бұрын

@@nathanjarrelle I know man, but you gotta get out there and do something, if not, things are just gonna continue the way they are.

This was a good take. I think artist made the most money from 2003 to 2012. Any artist that were new solo artist during those time periods probably still have a lot of money (like bey, ye, drake, Adele, Rihanna, Bieber, etc)

@joco2826

4 ай бұрын

No they didn’t. Most money was made up until 1999.

Customers’ taste change every 7-10 years. New times 🤷🏾‍♂️

@jerrylanes8354

4 ай бұрын

Nah it’s what’s forced upon ppl like y’all still don’t get it

@devindt77

4 ай бұрын

I'd say 3-5yrs but either way, your overall message is spot on.

@jerrylanes8354

4 ай бұрын

@@devindt77 no it’s not damn tell me at least you don’t vote ?? Do you??

@jerrylanes8354

2 ай бұрын

@ArteDelDiablo chuck berry wasn’t singing about drugs 🤣🤣🤣 and no it wasn’t rebellious smh it’s what them ppl behind the curtain tell y’all what y’all wanna hear come on now you think ppl knew what drill was?? Stop it it’s all about agendas your government wants you to do something y’all slow asses do it ppl can’t think for themselves they need to be told what to think that’s why religion is so big y’all ppl swear y’all know something until truth comes out truth trumps fact anyday all day

@jerrylanes8354

2 ай бұрын

@ArteDelDiablo not growing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 making things a lot more dumbed down isn’t growing 🤣🤣🤣 rap is shit now cause of small hats and caucus members wanting mumble rap and fake ppl in the fucking mix I promise I can tell you know nothing of what goes on behind the scenes

UNDERGROUND RAP IS BACK THANK GOD! BACK TO THE MIX TAPE ERA !

@themostsecretscience6409

4 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same way. Low intelligence rap garbage is going to go away without easy money funding it.

@mbrown7093

4 ай бұрын

Maaaan I can’t wait for the gangsta grillz / southern smoke / Michael 5000 watts/ New Jersey devil wave to come back. Let’s get back to the mixtape Wayne 50 jeezy ti krit beenie fab and jada days. When ppl took ppl beats and murk’d em. Remixed songs and shit.

@Charger-ob8yl

4 ай бұрын

That era was cool, let's go back further to the 90s and DJ Clue mixtapes, Kay Slay, Dj Envy, Green Lantern, etc... when ALL the goats were in their prime.

@purplekief8154

4 ай бұрын

I'd be on Canal St or 125th twice a week coppin that RON G!! Aye Peep his 1st 1991 mixtape

@jeffkeys8703

2 ай бұрын

@@mbrown7093y’all should just go back and listen to those tapes instead of expecting it to return lol

I wanna know were was parks wen DR UMAR came on the show 😂😂😂

@johnmartin8376

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@hazepark365

4 ай бұрын

He got the hint that day.

Being able to come up from any Online streams has affected the game across the board

I don’t like cover songs…we need new lyrics about different topics

@JusNBL2000

4 ай бұрын

Imma be that guy

@selwynandrews7716

4 ай бұрын

I like then as a means of displaying ability, not generating profit.

I see they watched French Montana sit down with DJ Clue 😭.

@PancakeDiaries

2 ай бұрын

Nah, they didn't have to... Anyone who loves the music been understood this stuff

Chuck Barry! OMG! I was screaming at my screen 😂😂

@devontelewis7577

4 ай бұрын

😂 on god , i feel like the man know exactly who joe was talking bout

its happening in the clothing business also.

@VikktorVampiir

4 ай бұрын

What's goin on with the clothing industry... how is it happening there?

@themofomayor

4 ай бұрын

I like those Balenciaga's, the ones that look like socks.. the ones now on fashion nova. Then there's Shein v She By Sherie. Then there's aftermarket people like Dapper Dan. The labels making screwy deals would be like Crisp by Yoshi if You've seen How to Make it in America. Trash brands that get pumped on IG mostly by women would be like the Ice Spice of clothing. Nike been blowing out sneakers since Zion last year in college but Nike can't fail because LEAGUES would fail so it gets pumped. Them Devin Bookers is fire tho, said nobody ever.

@MrDavidchuck

4 ай бұрын

@@themofomayor lmao exactly my point. No true originality anymore. And now there's this misleadingly "positive" dialogue being pushed about no one being original therefore it's ok to bite off the next person's original work and deliberately to no credit. It's getting nasty out here and in all forms of art.

@Tennessee2012

4 ай бұрын

@@VikktorVampiir thrifting

@user-zd7ox7ej7v

4 ай бұрын

FACTS I thought I was the only one that noticed

Record labels are screwing artists with these unfavorable contracts.😡

I’m glad Parks is getting more video time. I respect his contribution to this pod. Dude dropped knowledge with the royalties input.

@HB448

4 ай бұрын

Almost thought boy was Vlad 😂

Money is in SYNC music (for ads, movies, radio etc) that’s the direction I’m trynna go in😴 yes to artistry but bills and holidays gotta get paid…

@beatbuildersstudio

4 ай бұрын

There might be money in sync licensing but it's not that easy to make a full-time living. It's still competitive to get top placements. I make music for sync and I have been paid. I collect royalties but I still work another job. The most I made in a year has been 6k.

@StaceyFoxx

4 ай бұрын

that's still pretty impressive, but I do agreee, that field too is competitive...@@beatbuildersstudio

Joe has been on point from the start

Lmfaoooo was that the blazing squad 😂😂😂😂

@LifeOfHayzell

4 ай бұрын

Yh it was Blazin’ Squad loooooooool

@kateasheley7404

4 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

Parks get it on this one. Good point about covers

@perreality

4 ай бұрын

I’d like to see & her more from Parks

@ohhweeeee

4 ай бұрын

Nah, all this will do is steal the culture/music from black Americans (who created the foundation for most of the popular genres) and NOT pay them because they got horrible deals in the first place. They're already trying to say that Koreans created hip hop, believe it or not.

Damn it seems like we’re in the dark ages again with Hip-Hop and rap. K-pop was hella niche in the early to mid 2010s now it has become more popular. Artists in South Korea are making hella bread.

Mel is fire. This was a good conversation

@hazepark365

4 ай бұрын

no TF she isn’t. maybe you’re taking about when she gets up.

I came up on lil Wayne , ludacris , Mario , kid cudi , The dubstep faze (also kid cudi) , linkin park, ne-yo, G unit , UGK , Nipsey hussle , early drake , T.I. , Jason Derulo , Trey Songz, Lloyd , OutKast, 2 pac , biggie, mob deep , 3 6 mafia, Afro man , tommy wright ll , and the list goes on, all these artists had completely different styles, then soulja boy and Chief keep came and took people to a new sound that was good at first but also the beginning of the end and they are part of the reason we are here today and all the old heads complained and warned us and here we are, I don’t even listen to music anymore when I’m driving and when I am I’m dam near forcing myself to listen to shit I have to back to old music just to enjoy it and I’m still in my 20s and already feel like an old head

@virtuouspleasant9346

Ай бұрын

Half the people you named aren't even talented.

This is way it’s important to support your local underground artist

This is why im goin to continue to grow 🪴 more Independent be my own Boss gettin my own Big Bag 💰 own everything of mine Cut tha Middleman off create & signed my own label soon💯

It’s all y’all fault! Y’all let rap artists go super sonic on autotune and call it a hit! Im still a boom bapper but it’s gotta be good!

@kungfufemafam9216

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Even letting Rick Ross slide being a fake and Drake being Disney and manufactured

@ninobrown375

4 ай бұрын

This highly under looked!!

@mwase7782

4 ай бұрын

​@kungfufemafam9216 lol how is drake manufactured?

@thaneros

4 ай бұрын

Pretty sure this is more about physical vs digital sales

@urasenseii

4 ай бұрын

boom bap is trash

This is what you get when you: - Depend on audiences and big tech to control who gets seen and keep following trends (algorithms) instead of creating them - Dont develop, sign, and invest in strong talent that will last for decades - Make terrible deals with platforms that give horrible payouts for streams In the end, if the artists arent having a good time, eventually nobody will. Word will get out, the talent will figure it out and eventually leave the table. Also, influencers have been a bug in the system that takes that attentioj away from potential musical talents

Streaming platforms took over because it became too difficult in the technology age to protect the content. Technology continues to advance. What many miss while still relying on distribution platforms is that it is becoming more possible to protect your own content. You will see more artist going direct to consume in more creative way and you will see a new age version of the mixtape era and eventually some blockchain platform where mechanical royalties can be distributed instantaneously will come to knock off the giants

@amyjoeofficial

4 ай бұрын

Exactly!

This is why they’re buying all these rappers catalogs so they can recycle their lyrics with these ai rappers

@williamjames09

4 ай бұрын

But at some point music listeners are gonna get tired of recycled material.

Nothing but facts

Joe i like this show better than the old podcasters. Could i be apart of live audience one day

Daaammnnn JB was podding in this segment

We need original lyrics and compositions!

@Tes7000

3 ай бұрын

I don't think there is much left. Over the past 60 years, musical genres and instrumentation evolved so much and so fast that there are no new sound pallets.

Artists have been covering each other's songs for years! It's only really shunned in Hip Hop because rap is supposed to be about authenticity!

@selwynandrews7716

4 ай бұрын

It shunned in rap cuz rap ain't like singing. Performing a difficult song that requires vocal range is alot different from just repeating words in your voice Now I can see it to display a certain ability like if you can keep up wit Twista/busta word for word but at the end of the day you're more likely to be recruited as an auctioneer than a musician/artist. There's really no artistry in covering a rap song. You have to actually sing to cover other genres which is the artistry/talent/craft.

as a music publisher, the biggest market for business opportunities is outside of the US, Latin America my guys are booking 5 to 6 shows a month and KZread and SoundCloud is the biggest markets to get exposed to easy money. granted pps is lower but it balances out

Joe says all the artists are broke and aren’t making any money from music 0:02 but then says that he doesn’t know if this is true because he can’t get the information from the top though 0:22 He just contradicted himself in 20 seconds . Joe will say anything for clickbait! 😱😱😱😱😱

@Moneybagzzz

4 ай бұрын

I mean duh? Dude literally admits that he says whatever. The funniest part of this was when he said "something bad is gonna happening, I don't know when, but it will happen." He's basically the hiphop equivalent to a cable news host.

@UnseenAsyluM209

4 ай бұрын

It’s common sense A song is split up by Song writer artist Artist manager Lawyer fees Label gets a cut Marketing budget Videos And the artist has to recoup it from .003 of a penny It’s just not enough pie to split anymore

@Daniel-wv7lj

4 ай бұрын

Completely skipped over the fact that he said "I think". He already told you he doesn't know, there's no contradiction

@aarong3000

4 ай бұрын

@@Daniel-wv7lj Did you read the title of this video? He basically says that "all of them (artists) are broke" 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Whitney sang I will always love you and it made big bank for Dolly Parton because it was her song originally.

@masterxxiv

4 ай бұрын

You kno Dolly can't sing like Whitney give credit to the writer

@virtuouspleasant9346

Ай бұрын

​@@masterxxiv Dolly Parton wrote the song. That's why Whitney makes no money off it.

So when everyone was going into selling their catalogs and rights, no one saw this coming?

This is great! Now that the money gone the artistry might come back but it gotta lay low for a few

This is interesting to listen to after the Larry Jackson interview when he said hes moving into country music aand on the board of a major tech company

The landscape of rap has shifted significantly, with a noticeable emphasis on constant dissing and confrontational lyrics. This approach has left many feeling fatigued and yearning for a more evolved form of expression. Where are the days of Lauryn Hill's soulful storytelling or the uplifting narratives akin to "Jesus Walks"? Moreover, the camaraderie of group rap songs seems to have dwindled, replaced by a trend towards sampling without much originality. Perhaps it's time for a return to the basics: rich instrumental productions and albums that delve into deep conceptual themes. We crave tracks that uplift and inspire rather than perpetuate conflict. The era of incessant dissing feels outdated; it's time for rap to embrace a new era of authenticity and creativity.

Hip Hop isn't dead. But Hip Hop on major labels is completely done.

@virtuouspleasant9346

Ай бұрын

I hope that's true. I doubt it, though.

@sallyjohnson9504

10 күн бұрын

Hip hop music is dead the same old subject matter over and over again. It’s tiring, repetitive and programming.

Country music is winning RN. Their tours and merch are doing great. Their fans are more loyal and spend more time

JOE DEFINITELY HIT IT ON THE NOSE WITH THIS ONE!!!!

in a few years, the headline will be Joe Budden Exposes The Podcast Industry & Spotify | "All of Them Are Broke!"

Probably reason why American artists are collaborating with UK Artist a lot more than in the past. Initially UK artists created their own lanes expanding through out Africa, most European countries and Australia not relying on Labels.

The sad truth! Thanks Joe for bringing this talk to the forefront!

NAS is still killing it

Whitney Houston (RIP) made a bunch of cover songs, including "I Will Always Love You" by Dolly Parton. Cover music is like re-releasing Jordan models in different color ways; very profitable if the consumer loves it.

@sirashley2355

4 ай бұрын

Tennessee whiskey- Chris Stapleton is a cover song i would have never heard those lyrics without that mans voice

@Tes7000

3 ай бұрын

Whitney covered songs with enough differences from the originals to make them worth covering. Also, the internet did not exist at the height of Whitney's career, so it was possible to release a cover without every single person hearing it knowing about it and comparing it to the original.

IMO in reference to hip hop, DSP's cost rappers their passion. It's all about getting streams instead of really becoming "King Of Rap". In MP3 DatPiff/HNHH/WSHH days it was a lot more hunger. Plus a lack of artist development. So the product became disposable which made it less lucrative. The formula of flooding the streets with mixtapes to draw in the audience became lost. Posse cut remixes/ Cyphers/ Radio freestyles all just died down. Niggaz don't even debate who's the best anymore cuz they all here today and gone tomorrow.

@Del_116

4 ай бұрын

But if you think about what’s selling is the great artist . K-dot , Drake j cole always sell records .

@mandingogrande9243

4 ай бұрын

Well said

@leroyflex1258

4 ай бұрын

@@Del_116yeah but they take 4-5 years to drop a project and then disappear. Most ppl runs couldn’t take a break that long

@Del_116

4 ай бұрын

@@leroyflex1258 of the made quality . Te could do that too . I think the problem is the rushing . All these rappers can extend their runs . Just by making quality. Especially with the internet it will eventually catch fire at some point . Good music lives over time and generation . Good kid mad city will be played forever ,Illmatic will play forever . But almost none today but the top 3or 4 rappers makes good music that will really last . Victory lap was the last real classic street music album . Close second is sauce walka - ghettos gospel 3 . It takes time to make a classic . These guys have no patience or discipline for the most part .

@leroyflex1258

4 ай бұрын

@@Del_116 that way of rap is cool but you can’t forget all the ppl who dropped every year or every other year. Don’t forget Wayne’s 18 year run before he stopped Ye run at the start and middle. Chamillionaire/ 50/ ja rule / jadakiss/ and the Dj’s used to drop fire collab albums. It’s cool dropping quality every 4-5 years but that’s why they never win anything and music is not talked about after a month. Drake is doing why Wayne did in the 2000s run and ppl love it still. Only ones who hate are the ones who’s waiting on the classic albums.

Facts lol I agree all day with Joey

Bringing up the UK pop acts redoing those songs had no business being in this conversation, that was all done in the 90’s it’s not new 🤦🏿‍♂️

The lack of knowledge towards covers in music... is uncomfortable

What's the name of the music genre that the uk artists are singing 90sR&B? I GOTTA HEAR THIS ISH!

Where yall get that black Charlie Brown from?

It's been like this for a while hasn't it? Get a deal. Tour. Market products outside of music. Repeat. No-one really buys music anymore, streaming made sure of that.

So it's safe to say Jay was ahead of the game.

@disciple_deshun

4 ай бұрын

What do you mean?

@debbiedebdeb4183

4 ай бұрын

???

@TheWrapUpNYC

4 ай бұрын

Jermaine Dupree has been saying this for 20 years!!!! No one paid him any mind. He said they going digital and they killing love artist. I’ll never forget it

@disciple_deshun

4 ай бұрын

@@TheWrapUpNYC oh ok.

@Gabaman2007

4 ай бұрын

Nah, he’s just gatekeeping the game n still getting got just not as much as us

Yup. It’s sad

All of em from Joe's era are broke and dusty for sure. These new age rappers headlining these festivals from US to Europe are the furthest thing from broke. A guy like Playboi Carti makes like few hundred K from each of these festivals on top of the tours.

@blamont6863

4 ай бұрын

You named one new artist that’s getting money the majority of them are broke. You miss the whole point

@BristolBerg

4 ай бұрын

@@blamont6863 I think your comment shows how far out you're from the scene. Every headliners and performers on a global scale that are dominating rn are rappers. Their reach is too big and the fan base is global.

What's that hat Joe be wearing

The song you played was from a 90s UK pop band who were signed to Rocafella

Nebraska Tappin In

Schoolboy q sold less then lil tecca never forget that

@avalosalex1993

4 ай бұрын

IMO I think his “time window” passed, he shoulda dropped an album in 2021 or 2022 the latest. His hype has been gone

Rihanna is a great example of that, that’s why she been gone when she realized where the money is at .

@louio

4 ай бұрын

She's not a rapper, plus nobody trying to hear Rhianna in 2024. 😂

@det3654

4 ай бұрын

@@louio they are talking about the music industry just like the title, not rap industry only. People still listen to Beyonce, the only reason they are not listening to Rihanna is because she stopped singing.

5:18 who is that 😂

I don’t either

Universal music group just bought major shares in the nigeria record company mavin music , thats the biggest record label in Afrobeats and as far as afro beats/ afro pop music genre that as currently taken over the world,same genre serena gomez had to lean on to get back on big time again, same genre that gave drake his biggest hit one dance till date etc, highly ironic same time mavin got millions of dollars to buy highest stake in the biggest afro beat song in the world they laying of staffs in American urban genre music divisions , says alot were they are shifting towards in the next cominh decades, rap and pop is now getting to be back genre music like rock and country turned at the dawn of the 90s and finally the mid 90s, the new buying abd music streaming demography are the teenagers to early 30s adults who actually are more of immigrant kids of africans and Hispanics and east Europeans that are drawn towards afro beats and afro pop sounds abd now more recent the new main stream emerging second big genre k pop music genre, the milleanials are dictating album sales and concert ticket tour purchases and tour merchandise sales, the same way me and my now early and mid and late 40s years old demography dictated huge rap and rnb and pop music sales in the the early mid and late 90s to 2010 facts , welcome to the new world , yall see how fashion brands like Timbaland shoes, fubu , wu wear , puma etc are endorsing and co signing with nigerian urban artists like burna boy, davido,rema ,odumodublack, Adekunle gold etc 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬

@shayshebad

2 ай бұрын

punctuation needed

Overseas is where the money at. Japan Hip Hop scene is booming id collab with that market for sure

8:04 I've heard this somewhere once before the Elvis stole music I don't know how true that is but I did hear that I'm from Memphis and I did hear that I think it's sort of like the comedians with Katt Williams was talking about if somebody can take your material and get big before you do then I guess that's the norm. I do music that's a very well happen to me. I think it's one of the lowest things you can do to a person though.

European pop is a perfect example of this. I listened to this stuff years ago and I was like "it all sounds the same"

They’re definitely fixing to start taking our music from the 90’s and put a 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 face on it. Thats why they started buying up all those artist publishing a few years ago.

The thing that let's me know is that it's 2024 and we dont have any new rappers that are poppin and actually rap. Last influx we had was the 09-2010 guys when it was Drake, Cole, Kendrick, Wale, Wiz, Spitta, etc. etc. The only new young rappers that's really rapping is like what, Denzel Curry & J.I.D.???

@Affect_sd

4 ай бұрын

Sadly most of the best young rappers do battle rap ,and they can't make good songs

@yungbnic8539

4 ай бұрын

they can, the conversation aint about talent anymore..@@Affect_sd

@JusNBL2000

4 ай бұрын

Me “Jus NBL” I’m on all streaming platforms

Yeaaaaa i remember back in the late 90s early 2000s in UK all the american covers/remakes/interpolations were crazzzzzy. The best was Lamar - 50/50 on the Cant knock the hustle beat but worst must go to Blazing Squad for Crossroads 😂

One of my songs was covered during this UK run discussed here. TRUST ME, it’s a good thing.

Rap has nothing new to talk about. Got away with changing the sound every few years, but it's running out of steam. Very few rappers make timeless songs.

@moee_thyself

4 ай бұрын

True and the same with the beats. People keep sampling the sample of a sample

@OmarScruggs

4 ай бұрын

It can be done though. Nas my fav rapper since I was 14. I'm 44 now. Nas just did 6 albums the last 3 years and his fan base agree it's some of his best work. So your fav artist can do it if they talented enough and try hard enough

@jonn8508

4 ай бұрын

@@OmarScruggs yeah there are exceptions for sure. But as far as it being a big business and having mainstream appeal I think it's running on fumes. People either heard it all before or are disgusted by the ultra violence/drugs from the new generation

@plutotech

4 ай бұрын

Very few artists in general make timeless songs. Also "timeless" is subjective. And takes time.

@jonn8508

4 ай бұрын

@@plutotech yes but other genres are built around a culture of revisiting classic songs and listening to them regularly. Rap is too caught up in trends and staying up on what is hot right now.

Nas was right" Hip-Hop" is dead.

@irep_ent

3 ай бұрын

He looks like a prophet boi

It’s all coming down, good

NO lies and touring is definitely done if they're signed to a 360.

Joe seems to think Artists get paid from the music, artists nowadays get paid from touring like never before. Drake, Cole, Kendrick, Travis, Tyler, Future aka the big established artists make more money touring than artists from the 90s did. Like for eg, Travis probably makes more money per year selling 5x LESS amount of albums than Nelly did in the 2000s. The top touring artists make minimum 10-15 mill per year and artist like Drake and Cole make around 50m every tour minimum. Artist in the early 2000s not named Eminem weren't doing that

@MrJayfreeable

4 ай бұрын

I don’t think he talking about the people who can go on tour. He talking about the people who can’t go on one tour. Most artist only go on the road during festival season. They rarely do small venues.

@yungbnic8539

4 ай бұрын

lmao u can count the amount of rappers that has toured the past 2 years on one hand.. Thats only the established ones who been in the game. YB supposed to be one of the popular niggas out but aint been on one tour.

@avonbarksdale91

4 ай бұрын

Cause niggas don’t fuck with YB like that. lol

Streaming fucked the money up

@Ryanoww

4 ай бұрын

Who the fuck are you

@Tes7000

3 ай бұрын

Not really. Artists never made much money from records. If anything, artists are better able to track their royalties with streaming. It has always been true that you had to have a huge hit to make any money from record sales, and it wasn't guaranteed even then. Look at Toni Braxton and TLC back in the 90s. They both blasted out the gate with multi-platinum albums and sold out world tours, only to end up broke until renegotiations and lawsuits came into play. The same thing happened to New Edition in the 80s.

@jaygunny8402

3 ай бұрын

@@Tes7000 those artists were in terrible deals

@Tes7000

3 ай бұрын

@@jaygunny8402 Very true, but they were not the only ones. Crappy contracts for new artists were and are very common in the music industry. In addition, the costs of producing physical product, distributing that product, and absorbing chargebacks hit artist royalties hard, those plus the fact that music videos used to cost a lot more money to shoot before all the new technology that came out in the past 10-15 years. I said all of this to say that artists are doing no worse under streaming than they ever did. Bad contracts have always practically guaranteed that little money would be made from record sales, but in the streaming era, labels can't gatekeep the way they used to. Independent artists can now do big things.

About the music industry, the best thing that could happen to artists today would be an app that let you register your name as a label, so upon registration in the app, you the "artist" is the brand and become automatically your own label, allowing you to keep all your publishing, all your masters, and all your royalties. Everything you create you own, making the major record labels completely obsolete for the music industry we know today and for all future generations to come.

@DueceSpice

3 ай бұрын

SOUNDS GREAT UNTIL YOU LEARN THE LLC SCAM