Jocko Podcast 86 w/ Echo Charles - How to Develop "Man Skills". Leadership Tips.
Join the conversation on Twitter: @jockowillink @echocharles
0:00:00 - Opening
0:04:52 - How to hold workout discipline when you have a hard physical job and kids, facing burn-out.
0:20:00 - How to install pride into a team/battalion/individual.
0:23:51 - How to develop "man skills" in an intellectual environment.
0:42:17 - Should you always be detached?
0:47:53 - Thoughts on The Gracie Academy online school and other Online Jiu Jitsu training.
0:55:06 - What to do when you have an egomaniac boss but you seek to LEAD.
1:02:34 - How to shift your mindset from individual contributor to manager.
1:14:25 - Why have Jiu Jitsu belts/ranking if they are not to be strived for?
1:33:57 - How to step into a manager role when everyone else has more experience than you.
1:40:49 - Training tips for LEO and Security Forces. And should we attack insurgents? Or the ideology itself?
1:46:47 - Is it unrealistic to train Jiu Jitsu with many many past and existing injuries?
1:58:53 - How to successfully deal with suicidal thoughts.
2:08:25 - Support, Cool Onnit, JockoStore stuff, with Jocko White Tea and Psychological Warfare (on iTunes). Extreme Ownership (book), The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual. Origin Brand, Origin Jiu Jitsu Immersion Camp. Origin Brand.
2:31:33 - Closing Gratitude.
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“No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”
@ryanslife4478
6 жыл бұрын
Ian Wrigley favorite quote
@BostonsF1nest
4 жыл бұрын
Who said that?
@rajivrampersaud477
4 жыл бұрын
The Kids Nice socrates from plato . he was a greek philosopher
@enterthedragon9427
3 жыл бұрын
@Arturo Elliott no you fuckin didn't you skiddie scammer. Anybody that's looking at this comment tempted, Go into cyber security rather than believing an app that can breach the most popular social media app today (And the best security)
"Be a smart ass guy with a big dead lift." Love that line. People love their extremes and playing to their strengths and I think having a balance between domains is undervalued in our society. Like, any two opposing skills or values, you got people who make endless arguments for one being better than the other. Why not both?
@Low_commotion
6 жыл бұрын
Also, that last question, damn. "Shoot that last bullet at your enemy. Then get your knife out."
@thesteppenwolf91
6 жыл бұрын
Book of five rings.
@AngryOscillator
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheXxmadmanxxkkk Thats true of smart people too. Its 'known' (or so I've heard) in the science fields that for a new idea to advance generally the old guard need to die first. Stupid people do stupid things, Smart people out smart each other Then themselves, then themselves Then themselves, then themselves.
@AngryOscillator
4 жыл бұрын
Why not just be extreme in everything 😁 Not being sarcastic, straight up! I'm extremely strong, extremely smart, EXTREMELY balanced... hypothetically speaking. 😞
Talking about 'man skills' and being the physically strong guy vs the intellectual guy really struck a cord with me. I used to be exactly the kind of person that Echo described. I've always been 'the smart girl'. Throughout secondary school and highschool I was overweight and felt incredibly ugly. I was looking at all these girls around me who were slimmer and prettier than me and I was full of resentmen. At first I hated myself for being so fat and ugly, then I started hating the pretty girls around me because what I thought was impossible for me, seemed to require no effort at all for them. I lied to myself that you can either be pretty or smart and I lied to myself that being smart is better and makes you a more valuable member of society. I was incredibly arrogant and felt asbolutely worthless at the same time. Truth is, it wasn't the fat I saw in the mirror that I hated. It was the things it represented - my laziness and lack of discipline. My first year at university I lost a lot of weight (like... a lot), but I was under a lot of stress (physical from all the weightloss, mental and emotional for personal reasons) and went into depression. By the end of last summer I was in a really dark place and felt that I had pretty much reached my breaking point. At the time, I thought, this is it. Either I stop acting like a scared little girl, take responsibility for myself and get out of this mess, or I completely give up. My way out started with a 30-day challenge. In September I started working out. Every day I would go out for a run, go home, do a 20-min bodyweight routine and then about 30 min of yoga. Every day. It took dedication, it took discipline and for someone who had spent the last 20 years of her life procrastinating, it was incredibly difficult. I had to push myself hard, but there's no better motivation than trying to run away from a place you know you don't want to be. There was hell behind me, the hell I was trying to get out of, and I knew there was no way I'm going back. There were days when the last thing I wanted to do was to go out and run, but giving up was not an option. I had plenty of reasons to hate myself already, I refused to give myself another one. So I ran. In October I moved back to the city where I study (as opposed to staying in my hometown) and got a gym membership. I had to get over my fear of being completely inadequate at the gym (not being good at something used to give me such anxiety), I had to get over my fear of other people seeing exactly how unatheltic I am - because at that point I still needed other people's validation to not feel completely worthless. I've been working out 6 days a week in the gym for the past four months now, eating healthy, having a regular sleep schedule and wow! I mean... wow! Yeah, sure, I look better (I've now lost over 60lbs and focusing on gaining muscle), but that's not the best part. I'm faster, I'm stronger, I'm more flexible, I have more balance, I move with a lot more grace. I am more functional. And my cognitive abilities have increased dramatically as well! It's easier now for me to understand more difficult concepts that I would have struggled with before, it takes me a lot less time to learn and memorise information. Being smart has been the central pillar of my identity practically all my life. I used to be so proud of how my brain worked. Well, turns out it wasn't working at 100%. Not even close. Your mind is not a separate entity, it's a part of your body. Obviously, if your body isn't at 100%, your mind won't be either. So I guess I was right in the beginning, it really is a question of either/or. But it's not either you're pretty, or you're smart. It's either you work hard and get your body and mind to be the best they can be, or you don't. Needless to say, all the resentment that I used to have for myself and for the people around me has practically evaporated. Forcing myself to do things that I'm not good at, things that are outside of my comfort zone has forced me to admit that there are people who are better than me and that there will always be someone who is better than me... and that's okay. It's even better than being at the top, because it means you can grow and get even better. Humility and confidence go hand in hand. And it makes me sad that people are letting go of the desire to learn how to do things with their own hands (and it's not just for men and 'man skills'. Women used to sew their own clothes, how many women can do that now? I sewed a dress last summer, which was an amazing experience and something I'd never done before. Naturally, the dress is very poorly sewn. Also naturally, no piece of clothing has ever made me so happy. I was able to put this dress on, look at myself in the mirror and say 'I made this!'.), resisting the curiosity to try something even if you're not good at it. There is such beauty and such power in making things with your own hands. And we can never be truly confident if we are too afraid of failure. PS. Wow. That was long. If anyone bothers to read the whole thing, thank you :)
@dublinf4477
4 жыл бұрын
banichka wow. Good for you. Hope your still slaying it
@Dvm77452
4 жыл бұрын
Hey, this is really awesome! Any updates since this comment on how things are going? Not to sound sexist, but it's good to see a female Jocko listener. He isn't just for men. Everyone could use some Jocko in their lives.
@lemueldagger
4 жыл бұрын
Good for you banichka, I really like your acttiude, your effort, your struggle. You are going after it.
@ascendtoaesthetics
4 жыл бұрын
beautiful story, I'm happy for you 😇 truly inspirational 🔥
@ARottenMonster
4 жыл бұрын
@@Dvm77452 hey :) Thank you for reading that. I hope you got something out of my story. The update, I suppose, is that I'm still working on everything that I talked about. I still have days when I feel bad about myself and don't go through with my plans. There are times I get jealous. But it's become much easier to get back to a healthy place and to keep working. I don't have a gym now, but I've gone back to running as a way of pushing myself. I hope to extend that and keep challenging myself and being better and better. I re-read what I wrote and I can't help but laugh at myself a little. Saying I went to the edge of an abyss and looked into hell is ridiculous. Yes, it was a hard time for me and I hadn't felt thisbway before. But in reality I've had a very very easy life. I'm aware of that now. So it's especially important to push and challenge myself so I can grow. When life doesn't offer you opportunities to grow, you have to seek them out and push even harder. So yeah. That's what I'm working on right now. Also, I made another dress and a bathrobe. They're pretty bad, but much better than the first dress, so it makes me happy. And I can bake now. And I agree absolutely, Jocko has a very powerful message. I imagine it would be easier for men to relate to him in certain situations, but anyone can benefit from his stories and advice.
"While he is doing that, I am gonna scurry away like a lil baby, like a little sneaky little squirrel and I am gonna flank. " ~ Jocko. Only jock can say this and still retain complete bad assery. Bless you sir!
Jocko- "Hey Echo have you ever........." Echo- "Yeah man, I watched this movie once. " Jocko- "That doesn't qualify." LOL!
Hey Jocko, Echo, you probably have heard this thousands of times, but after 4 years off from 7 years of hapkido I did my first jujitsu class on Monday. The warmup whooped my ass, I got smashed, this little girl made me look like a fool, and the instructor had a guard like a python. They beat me up and I'm going back tomorrow. I'm hooked.
I’m a few years late (just found out about Jocko a couple months ago), but I’m going to leave my little testimonial here in case someone dealing with depression sees it. As someone who have dealt with it myself (coincidentally at the time this episode was published), I can say that every single word Jocko says from 1:59:00 is true. At that time I was feeling quite empty in most areas of my life and also reluctant to seek for professional help. I just didn’t want to take any meds, I thought I could deal with it myself, which made it even worse because I clearly couldn’t and that made me feel very weak as my life was very good and there should be no reason for me to be feeling so empty and sad all the time as I was. I finally stepped forward and got professional help, took some medications and things started to get better. I was never actually suicidal but wasn’t too far from it either. Today, a few years later, my life turned around in a huge way. Got married to an amazing woman, got an awesome job, and many other great things came that I would have never imagined at that time. If I had given up, I would have missed some truly amazing things in life that came afterwards. So for those of you dealing with depression, hang in there! There IS a way out. Seek for professional help and I assure you that things will get better.
That's a great tip for the drywaller. I do physical work for my job as well and I had the same problem. And as soon as I started stretching it changed so much. Then I change my diet.that made me stronger as well and finally I had enough energy and strength to work out and now that I've been working out my job is so much physically easier!
One of the best episodes in my honest opinion, especially the in-depth discussion of Jiu-jitsu belts. Someone like Jon Jones is a prime example of why you can't necessarily base how good a MMA fighter is by one fighting style/approach, gotta look at what attributes he brings holistically to the cage.
Damn....the last question Jocko.......this means the world to me. I have faced a lot of abuse and trauma over life, and it left considerable damage to me. I have faced the darkness of suicidal thoughts and despair....still do at some times......but more and more I find myself rising above it to get after it and become a leader................I then look back to my friends, or others who are around me and gravitate, who are still in that storm....and I try to reach them......the comments you make for this are very moving. the storm is not everything.....
1:58:53 The darkness becomes your friend. You survive by learning how to utilize it. You just need to understand how it works.
Love how each episode is released at the perfect moment and it helps exactly with what I'm dealing with at the time...
Boom it's 4am. Only I and Jocko are up, until the sun goes up this is my gain time. Appreciate you Jocko, off to go get it. Here's to seeing the other side of the storm.
One of my favorite end speeches! I think that was really well said! 👍
How do you learn how to be a man? You find men who seem to possess the qualities you know you lack and talk to them. Observe them and watch how they treat their family and friends. The longer you stay on that journey, the more teachers and mentors will present themselves. You may learn a lot of from who is strong in one area but weak in others. Listen to Jocko and the men he has on his podcast. It's not so much that they fought in a war or saw combat as how they dealt with the stress and adversity. I learned a ton about building a house by volunteering at Habitat for Humanity. People thought I was really charitable. I certainly liked helping people, but I was there to learn. And any time an older guy or tradesman asked me if I wanted to help him, I immediately said yes. Eventually all the old retirees that were volunteering there kept asking me to help because they knew I wanted to learn.
Echo please make a clip about pride. Best description on how to be proud without going overboard. Thanks Jocko and Echo
That's funny I hit the like button to keep track of which podcast I've seen. Thanks again Jocko and Echo.
@ABCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRSTUVWXYZ12345
6 жыл бұрын
Lord Rudimus thats a good idea haha never thought of that
Hey Jocko please get Ant Middleton on this show, or any from SAS/SBS operator for that matter.
Haven't listened yet but just want to say thank you Echo & Jocko! Fkn love opening iTunes & seeing you at the top!!
Sleep. Eat. And. Lift. hahahaha loved that part!!
Jocko is a ledgend! Thanks for the great content!
The thanks sharing at the end is very inspiring. Thank you Jocko for this podcast
Who else would like to see Jocko collaborate with Jordan Peterson?
@islangdatthang1654
5 жыл бұрын
He has
@WLynn-su2fs
5 жыл бұрын
Collaborate? They're my dream team.
@codymarestein6538
2 жыл бұрын
@@islangdatthang1654 pppppp po pppr zzz's
much love brother. God bless you both
Echo, can we get an excerpt of the suicidal thoughts part?
AWESOME SEGMENT! LOVE IT! Thank you guys!
19:55 Jocko: Next Quesht Echo: Clean up the whole situasht Jocko: Next Quesht Echo: Next Quesht Jocko: Next Quesht Epic dialogue.
Great to hear smart tough keepers of the oath chat. Thaks gentleman!!!
Drywall work is *hard* . I did it for a few years and if the first guy is a hanger, he's getting more than enough of a workout. The key for me was to stay hydrated, don't drink alcohol during the work week and don't try too show off. Most guys that I saw get hired got fired quick, if this guy has been at it for 14 years he's doing a good job.
Great podcast, one of my favorites.
Thank you Jocko for the MobilityWOD shout out - been looking for a resource like this.
"Back to the Question" Echo takin' charge B-)
You will see the sun again 💙 Keep going 👍
Wish I would've known about the Origin camp a little sooner. Sounds like a really cool opportunity, but I'd need more of a heads up to take that many days off work. Good luck!
Jocko you have to get Dean on here. The smack talk would be amazing!!!
My uncle taught me how to sell weed. Changed the course of my life. I am grateful for my life now but hope to be a better father and uncle
Bookmarking this for future 2:00:30
Jocko, I'd be interested in hearing your thought on Karl Jung's theory of the shadow self. Really interesting reading and in my opinion tremendously vital, especially for men in this day and age.
Great info men. Thank you..
Read: "Gates of Fire" by Steven Pressfield If the story within that book doesn't reveal the measure of a man then nothing will.
GET AFTER IT. That t-shirt is a big fat GO my friends!!!
Thank you
Please get Jordan B Peterson on the podcast!
@nickhoward7419
6 жыл бұрын
That would be fucking amazing.
@snakewhisperer2010
6 жыл бұрын
Great idea! Yes please!
@MagicMarker447
6 жыл бұрын
Podcast 98 just came out. One of the best yet. Enjoy!
My roommates were about to call a washing machine repair person...i looked up the problem, replaced a small part after reading some instructions, saved them a good chunk of change then enjoyed the worship for weeks. hahahaha I showed them how to do it though.
I'm a big Muay Thai guy and have had the tendency to snuff my nose up a little bit at all the constant Jiu Jitsu praise but this episode really got me ready to get after it on the mat and find a class over here. psyched about it.
@bennettgardiner8936
6 жыл бұрын
jiujitsu is the muay thai of the ground dude!! both are amazing
@sidyaking
6 жыл бұрын
i do both and they mix perfectly!
Jocko, I applaud your advice on getting men to be more hands on and proactive on their own projects. I would like to point out to those reading that re wiring your own home can result in seriously dangerous repercussions. If you feel you are technically minded and confident to have a go at re wiring your own home by all means have a go. BUT always get a qualified electricians advice and him to test all cables before connecting to the live supply. Even better get him in to check your wiring before you re sheet the walls/roof etc. It could also cost you more in the long run if an electrician has to fix what you've done. There is a huge difference between a green first year apprentice and a qualified electrician. I personally haven't read the electrical regulations in America but I know the regs in Australia/Nz well. It's a huge book and very hard to navigate and read without the context of having worked in the industry. It is a 3-4 year apprenticeship for a reason. By all means get after it, but tread with caution.
@keats182
6 жыл бұрын
Shannon, I've renovated houses and helped a lot of people around their house. I've seen a lot of sketchy wiring and other repairs. I'm not saying people should take it lightly, but wiring an outlet in a 120v circuit is nothing like dealing with 3 phase or commercial wiring. Buy a good book on it that explains the codes, take your time and focus on what you're doing. It will be okay. The most sketchy thing I saw was when someone moved an outlet over three feet. They left the original box but spliced a piece of lamp wire to go to the new box. They stapled the lamp wire to the stud and drywalled directly on top of the lamp wire.
"Read about survival..." Any good recommendations?
Hanging dry wall blows, good on this guy for getting after it, but I suggest rest once in a while and getting supplements that will help you recover faster and rolling and take an active stretching day instead of the gym, I suggest Pavel Tsatsouline's active stretching.
"No hearts in jocko's world!" that should be a T-Shirt lol.
After bullets go by you with intent to kill or the lives of your friends rest in your decisions, I understand how jocko doesn’t get unnerved by much..big lesson there for me. We think we’ve problems, we don’t really.
thanks for being authentic. echo threw a great challenge to you about reading all the posts. again thanks. bahaha an "eye" as something viewed. great idea. this forner anglico marine and monk appreciates your words regarding extreme ownership. very helpful to me as I left working at the VA for 15 years. I chose to truly own my departure instead if thinking about the 20 year carrot. being with my son brings me back to my extreme ownership for leaving. i truly want more time with my son. again thanks. have you ever turned down a "carrot", Jocko? in monastic life , extreme humility allowed me to overlook the carrots. it became harder as I left the monastery to deploy to Iraq. so, I guess extreme ownership has assisted with discernment when dealing with the carrots of life. by the way, how can I really get my hip flexors stronger? Essayons
@mikekimveteran
6 жыл бұрын
and thanks echo for the insightful questions
Working at effective non-profits lets you have a big impact, whilst doing rewarding, meaningful work. But it’s crucial that you pick the right non-profits - look for organisations working on urgent global problems, that are well-run and are *short of staff.*
See this through and leave my friend, this is how it has to end. This is easier on us all.... well, easier than other ways. - The Cooper Temple Clause, Murder Song Man, do I know that space. Sometimes its not even a case of not being able to see a way, its just not having enough inside to make the move; too mentally and emotionally fatigued by a life style that is counter to your nature but you are bound to through responsibilities. With nothing positive coming in to top up your resolve, be it from friends, loved ones, new experiences, incremental progress ect ect, it can get real hard to pick up a new day let alone put in that extra it takes to dig yourself out of the hole you found yourself in. 'Normal' people struggle with success and they are coming from a neutral base line. Think then how it is when you have to strive just get to the beginning. Of course the further down the path you go the easier it becomes and the faster the progress, but that doesn't make the start any easier. Doesn't provide the strength where there is none. Its like in battle, sometimes there is nothing a leader can say to get that man back in the game, he just needs a break. Some people just never get given that break.
@br4d048
4 жыл бұрын
I've learned you just have to take that break sometimes, regardless. Let what happens , happen. If you run yourself so thin, your going to be stretched, and your going to break. If you end up losing something, due to taking a needed break, maybe it shouldn't be in your life, or it should change to adapt to your Needs that are necessary.
Frogman Friday for the win! You can use all that time off to GET AFTER IT.
LMAO around 59:00. Jocko is awesome.
Jiu-Jitsu= life
MARK BELL HAS A "STAND UP" PODCAST. U GUYS SHOULD DO THE SAME.
What is your option of jtac
That guy Jerry Loudon!
9:00 how about 30 minutes on foam roller to relax all overused muscles, mobility would be good for someone who is sitting in fixed position whole day
Likes have layers!
Mmm the sleep deal… important. Please talk about sleep at some point. I think that’s a valuable topic. Anyone have sleep talk, let er rip. I think we folks may need that.
I’m taking this message of not pursuing the belt as dont pursue every girl that pops up that’s pretty. It’s not up to me who I get married to. I’m just waiting patiently
Lowes & Home Depot often have weekend Do-it-Yourself classes for home repair. This could be an option for developing "man skills".
@BostonsF1nest
4 жыл бұрын
Or bitch skills
First. Also, the Jocko white tea is fucking awesome.
-How to develop myself? -Go and develop yourself.
Jocko had good big forearms .
Im a 35yo Drywaller too lol
Jacko what pistol do you carry in hostile environments?
Echo reminds me of that smart ninja turtle.
@AngryOscillator
4 жыл бұрын
Well thanks for that.
Re: The Frenchman's question and Jocko's response on being learned and also strong and capable aren't mutually exclusive. I thought of Ernest Hemingway--minus the suicide, of course.
1:00:10 Mark it down. Jocko Said "I can't". the twist is he still wins.
David Freaking Hackworth.
Have any short guys here train jiu jitsu im 5 foot 7 and just wanna know if there's s big disadvantage when your a bit shorter
@daviddeleon4448
6 жыл бұрын
Ryan Barnett WTF I'm 5'4
@coldbeer9877
6 жыл бұрын
Ryan Barnett Obviously there's a limit, but I've seen 5'6" guys take down guys over 6'.
@laza_mma1052
6 жыл бұрын
demetrious johnson is 5 ft 3
@BruceWayne-qx5ly
6 жыл бұрын
No dude there is no disadvantage. Let me rephrase that. You have advantages over bigger guys just as those bigger guys have advantages over little guys. Try working on getting under your opponent. Move around him, and get under him. Not just like, hey, let me get smashed by this dude, no. Take out his base and swarm him like a fucking pack of ants. Hope this helps lol
@gatorcountry3821
6 жыл бұрын
Ryan Barnett I'm 5' 8 and weigh 215, I'm built like a pit bull, go learn jui jitsu and lift heavy, eat a lot of grilled chicken and get big.
On a different note, how to develop man skills? Get a suitable kettlebell in your hand and Pavel's Enter the Kettlebell on youtube and de-sissyfy yourself!
I wonder what pre determined line Echo Charles was going to say to that dad, or stepdad? Echo what would you say? Without offending? Lol would have loved to see that!
Only Jocko would have his kids deadlifting at 6
2:03:00
Hmmm… rock on man.
What’s with the hatchet
@andreystarostin
6 жыл бұрын
1:38
@andreystarostin
6 жыл бұрын
1:38:00
5:42 BTF BTF BTF
Join the discussion at www.reddit.com/r/getafterit/
What Can You expect from i am so cool men ? 😲
2:03:10
So ... You hit the snooze button.
@Viriyascybin
4 жыл бұрын
YOU HIT THE SNOOZE BUTTON
Speak up echo,,, i can't hear for your biceps ,✌️😎 he's huge
Yup hanging drywall is tough if your a newb but still hard if your a vet…. Yup ceilings. Swats cleans and presses. Yup. Be real, I ain’t ever done it. But yup… get ur fuel, get your rhythm. Fuck they are not in shape!!! Just sayin. May not look it, may look it. Do not be deceived.
Thumbs down for the random ad in the middle of the video
Jiujitsu is great, but I think you overplay it as the end all unarmed combat system. I train muay Thai and Dutch kickboxing, boxing, Judo, Nogi Jiujitsu, and kali; I still feel incomplete and train harder. Being able to grapple is very useful and effective, but it's situation dependant imo. Instead of only being trained to grapple and perform basic takedowns, which is great, but why not supplement yourself with fistfighting, stick fighting, and advanced takedown techniques? It only adds weapons to your arsenal.
@Rujewitblood
5 жыл бұрын
Dutch OPWW there's no way you do all these things and are any good at all of them get real, you're better off training just jiu jitsu for 5 years than all that other crap at the same time for 10 years
How dare you talk about ownership and responsibility when right now you are abdicating your responsibility and your duty to step up for your country when it needs you the most. I respect you. However haven't you looked around lately? What is it going to take for you to step up and to take responsibility for your position your potential to be one of the greatest presidents this nation has ever seen. What is it going to take?
echo even though doing the right thing and helping someone who is being bullued... it is not smart to step in... he might have a gun... call the police, write down a license plate, time and description.
16foot dry wall sheets YEAH DAM..
Regarding that first question with the drywaller, diet is definitely vital, but with such a high demand job and still wanting to train I think McDonalds once a day might even be beneficial, as a way to get more calories. That may not be his issue but it's definitely a possibility.
@NOGGINSTRUMENTALS
6 жыл бұрын
What?
100 burpees a minute. ill be so tired
ZN Toxic ConWomen
10 Burpees in a minute is not that hard... lol ok
The dry wall guy might already be diabetic. Wouldn't hurt to go get a simple blood test. Type 2 comes on around that age.