I think that the WWE: Greatest Rivalries - Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart dvd done in 2011 was better than this documentary done by A&E as they had JR sit down with both Bret and Shawn and discuss both of their careers. They also went more in depth as to the events leading up to Montreal.

@HunterofMonsters89

Жыл бұрын

What I hated about the 2011 one though was how many times Shawn was acting like he did not remember stuff just to dodge accountability

@robrico129

Жыл бұрын

100% absolutely

@robrico129

Жыл бұрын

@@HunterofMonsters89 semi true but the format, deep dive, and full breakdown was well worth it.

@robrico129

Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminubben4436 that’s for sure! Lol

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

@@HunterofMonsters89 He didn't. You seem to forget that he was popping pills and drinking alcohol like a mad man. If you actually understood how that stuff effects the brain, he wasn't acting like he did not remember, he absolutely did not remember.

I agree with Cornette also and how the product just looked so much better 20 years ago. Bret Hart and HBK make most modern wrestlers and wrestling look like absolute dogshit. I'll watch a 20-30 year old Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels match over 95% of today's spotfest, outlaw, no-selling garbage.

@derpderpin1568

Жыл бұрын

Every match those two guys ever had with anyone felt exactly the same.

@danthemancushecan

Жыл бұрын

@@derpderpin1568 talking out of your ass.

@Amzingred

Жыл бұрын

The last time we had pretty much a steady Streak of great match styles was 2003-2005 smackdown. That was the last great promotion that was solid inside and outside the ring.

@sirnoname6943

9 ай бұрын

Yes like the wrestlemania 12 event that iron man fight was a 10/10 looked like a real technical wrestling match

I love the modern wrestling rants but THIS is really the reason I love Corny’s show, the wrestling history behind the scenes stuff.

@letsssgooo4618

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Even tho my favorite thing is him going off on Olivia, the bucks, shit stain or the observer dude. Can’t think of his name.

@rondoughhowell6442

Жыл бұрын

@@letsssgooo4618 Dave Meltzer

@juangraciaofficial

Жыл бұрын

@@letsssgooo4618 Speaking of that, can't wait for him to review Wardlow vs Orange cassidy

@nickynoir6878

Жыл бұрын

@@juangraciaofficial As soon as I walked in on my brother laughing and watching that match I couldn’t wait to hear Corny rip that BS match apart hahaha.

@amrey3628

2 ай бұрын

​@@letsssgooo4618The Bucks? The NBA team? Is he a fan of professional basketball? I'm honestly asking because that's pretty cool if he is.

The ‘Montreal ScrewJob’ will be Milked until the End of Time but it’s always Compelling to Revisit ….

@coolbreeze756

Жыл бұрын

I mean, it’s the single biggest moment to ever exist in wrestling

@robwilliamson9056

Жыл бұрын

As long as Brett is alive. He can not let it go! I love Brett, but for god sakes let it go! It rules his life

@liverpoollad9103

Жыл бұрын

@@robwilliamson9056 it's wwe not Bret

@defblinders9585

Жыл бұрын

As much as Bret says he has, he will never truly get over Montreal. Neither he nor Vince will ever let it die.

@26.2MilesOutsidePartsUnknown

Жыл бұрын

It was a work.

Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels is the greatest rivalry in pro-wrestling history.

@wilcee238

Жыл бұрын

Not better than Austin Vs McMahon

@Fozzie420

Жыл бұрын

Cornette vs Omega clears

@josephkerr2807

Жыл бұрын

@@Fozzie420 Not as great as Cornette vs Vince Russo

@wilcee238

Жыл бұрын

@Joseph Kerr Cornette Vs Omega is slowly catching up though.

@greatestever2560

Жыл бұрын

Cornette vs Young Bucks

And then, with the way he took the belt off Bret, The Montreal Screw Job, it turned Bret into the talk of the wrestling business. So much so, Eric coming out with nWo on Nitro the next night and saying "Something Canadian is coming" made the fans go and wanted to check out WCW. If Eric booked Bret better, think it would have made it worse for Vince.

@defblinders9585

Жыл бұрын

I remember how terrible the NWO sang Oh Canada and when Eric called Bret a "knockout kind of guy" when he found out that Bret punched Vince. Hogan said "Well he passed the initiation!"

@TeddyKGB12

Жыл бұрын

The Attitude Era still would have destroyed WCW. Nothing was going to stop the Stone Cold explosion.

@dunnwell7780

Жыл бұрын

Probably not. The war was on a real knife edge at the time, and WCW claiming that the WWF is so poor that even the champion was handing over his belt to come for some real competition may just have tipped the scales permanently.

@defblinders9585

Жыл бұрын

@@TeddyKGB12 They sure weren't gonna win with Hogan.

@Speedyreedy1218

Жыл бұрын

@@TeddyKGB12 To this day, I don't get why so many people loved Stone Cold. I hated his schtick and groaned during his time on top.

Whether Bret or Shawn is your preference,Jim is right…watching this stuff back is MIND BLOWING,specifically Bret Hart. He was SO GOOD and just so….everything a wrestler should be in the ring. The selling,the faces,the entrance,the severity of a blow. Its just night and day to ANYTHING we see now. Michaels charisma is UNTOUCHABLE.

@bash8387

Жыл бұрын

I would love to see Bret as a trainer

@kant5696

Жыл бұрын

Bret made every move/hit look excruciating. His selling was great but not over the top (the only thing negative i could say about hbk’s ring work). Montreal was just the culmination of what could go wrong, did go wrong imo.

@glasschin871

Жыл бұрын

@@bash8387 I see a interview once where he said Edge, Christian, Mark Henry, Giant Silva, Test and Ken Shamrock all trained at his house in his garden. He put a ring up by his pool.

@aubriella958

Жыл бұрын

Thought the same thing while watching. If you forgot how damn good, how crisp, how believable Bret was and how well these two could tell a story together, helluva reminder.

@davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207

Жыл бұрын

@@glasschin871 he definitely helped Ken Shamrock teaching him how not to work too stiff.

Shawn and Brett's fingerprints are all over the wrestling business today. I don't think this is spoken of enough. Almost every athletic talent uses shades of Shawn and just about all of the great workers today have shades of Brett.

@jia1596

Жыл бұрын

Really good assessment

@derpderpin1568

Жыл бұрын

Acting like these were the only athletic wrestlers is just so lame and disingenuous. So many of todays great workers didn't even watch WWE/F.

@brandonjames7462

Жыл бұрын

@@derpderpin1568 Well WWE and WCW were the biggest American wrestling company in the 80's and 90's. Flair, Steamboat, Dusty and Savage to name a few were big influences for the stars of the 90's. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see alot of Stone Cold, Rock or Taker type wrestlers running around. Were as the super kick is damn near everywhere and guys like Punk, FTR and Danielson talk alot about Brett's influences on them. Those are just a few examples without going through a whole history of wrestling in this comment post. So I think that was pretty genuous.

@the80scaveman85

Жыл бұрын

That's a fact!

@willsmith625

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

WWE keeps repeating that Bret would take it to WCW, is a attempt to make their own actions less “Heelish”.

Bruce Prichard is the Kellyanne Conway of the WWE.

"I've never before heard Bruce's honesty questioned. In fact, I've never heard it mentioned." I will never grow tired of the Bruce Prichard jokes.

@iamdb1990

Жыл бұрын

not even jokes, if Bruce wasn't like that, Jim wouldn't say it lol

@joesmoe8841

Жыл бұрын

Brian and Jim should know. They like to bend the truth themselves.

@nickhughes8179

Жыл бұрын

Every time you hear him speak, the voice may be Pritchard’s, but the words are Vince McMahon’s.

@AaronGrimmett

10 ай бұрын

Bruce Prichard the infamous WWF/E child molester. How the hell is he not in prison yet?

That hair missing in the middle of Shawn's hair on the thumbnail had me rollin!!!! ROTFL!!!!!!!

"Dipshit is gonna lose his smile." Holy shit I died.

@dinamercado336

26 күн бұрын

He hates HBK lol

My favorite soundbite was "I have never heard Bruce Pritchard's honesty being questioned. Why, I've never even heard it mentioned!". That cracked me up! Cornette really throws out some zingers!

@stevenbenson9976

Жыл бұрын

I think that Bruce was right that it wasn't Brett's choice. He had reasonable creative control. Refusing to drop the title is not really reasonable

@LeoWhalen1933

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenbenson9976 he didn't refuse to drop the title. He refused to drop the title to Shawn Michaels because HBK wouldn't lose to him and countless others.

@dubiouscaesar3709

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenbenson9976 I personally think that if they'd suggested that Bret drop it to Taker in Montreal, Bret would've done it.

@tafua_a

5 ай бұрын

@@dubiouscaesar3709 Hell, I think that if they had Shawn lose via shenanigans on the go home Raw before the Series, he would have done it.

Brian Last commenting like he was right there in the locker room always cracks me up.

Imagine the money WWE could make if they had backstage footage of all the real life arguments and altercations between Bret and Shawn.

@MichaelSmith-fq6hz

Жыл бұрын

People call Montreal a work enough as it is. They’d really be screaming work if they had footage of Hartford.

@kenrickeason

Жыл бұрын

@@MichaelSmith-fq6hz Let it be.. If it sells tickets let people think what's real and what's kayfabe.. That's the point..

"I remember the hunk of hair. Looked like a possum" - Jim Cornette

I really enjoyed that. And the fact that they eventually decided to patch things up before going out.

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

I would hope this doc would finally end all the clowns saying they still hate each other, but it won't.

@universe-ie2mk

Жыл бұрын

We can all be real the screwjob is more of a case of bret being a supermark for himself. I get why he didnt want to drop the belt to shawn again, but i can understand vince couldnt trust that whole relinquish the belt the next night on raw stuff.

@12345Yeah

Жыл бұрын

@@universe-ie2mk just stop.

@glasschin871

Жыл бұрын

@@universe-ie2mk Bret offered to drop the belt , he just wouldn’t drop it to Michaels. Bret dropped the belt to Yoko , Backlund , he put Sid over the day after winning the title on raw and put Michaels at wrestlemania. Bret had no problem dropping belts

@kenrickeason

Жыл бұрын

@@glasschin871 He doesn't know the history.. Bret put over other wrestlers and drop the belt when Vince told him to..

Thank God Wrestlemania 97 wasn't a rematch because Bret vs Austin is my favorite WWE match I've ever seen

@tempestfennac9687

Жыл бұрын

It's kind of ironic when you consider how Shawn's unprofessionalism actually ended up helping in the long-run though out the '90s; if he'd just handed the IC Title back when he failed that drug test, he probably wouldn't have had that Ladder Match at WM10, if it wasn't for the Curtain Call HHH would have probably still won King of the Ring '96 and if he hadn't been a prick with Bret the Austin vs. Mr McMahon feud probably wouldn't have had much heat behind it (there was still stuff which could have set it up from when Austin got his neck injury but I'd say Vince objecting to him being on the show in kayfabe was perfectly reasonable so Montreal was an essential part of this in my opinion).

@scottdecowski4913

Жыл бұрын

We got the two matches but if things worked out differently imagine a Bret vs Austin feud during the Attitude era

@bradpaton3927

Жыл бұрын

@@scottdecowski4913 And Bret Hart won BOTH of them. Not many men are undefeated against Steve Austin. Mikey Whipwreck may also be on that short list.

@mikeyoutubeaccount7120

Жыл бұрын

@@tempestfennac9687 Ive always said its strange to think how so many things happened in Austins career that turned out for the better

@mikeyoutubeaccount7120

Жыл бұрын

"Bret is such an amazing guy, he should be so much madder", jeez if Bret was anymore bitter he'd be an ice cube!

The interesting thing about the A&E Biography and the A&E Rivals is this…….these shows are 100% BETTER than the wrestling that the WWE is putting out now 🫠🫠🫠🫠🤫😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

"Cosplay Trampoline Cowboys." I fucking love this guy....

Got to see Bret vs Shawn at a house show at the Erwin Center in Austin TX in March of 96. Undertaker, Razor Ramon and Diesel all no showed but Bret and Shawn went on in the main event and made it all worth it.

@Speedyreedy1218

Жыл бұрын

Are you sure they no showed? Wwf could've switched them to the B town loop.

They had a version of “Rivals” in the early network days… I remember the Rhodes x Flair documentary being very good.

@NLawrence96

Жыл бұрын

They did Rhodes and flair, Bret and Shawn and Hogan and Randy savage.

@JuliusC1973

Жыл бұрын

I can think of several more "Rivals" that they could have done such as Sgt. Slaughter vs. The Iron Sheik, Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat, Edge and Christian vs. The Hardys, Randy Orton vs. John Cena, The New Day vs. The Usos, Bruno Sammartino vs. Larry Zybysko for starters.

Shawn vs Bret is the 2nd Biggest Wrestling Rivalry behind Cornette vs Twinkletoes

@charlottescrafts

Жыл бұрын

Cornette V Meltzer is the big blow-off, he has to go through Harpo to get to Uncle Dave though

@GOOSE-ep1iq

Жыл бұрын

Or Cornette vs Shit stain

@henrygvidonas9573

Жыл бұрын

@@GOOSE-ep1iq Corny vs. Russo has cooled off considerably as far as interest from the IWC is concerned. Nobody seems to care what Russo has to say anymore, _bro._ Especially not about current wrestling, _bro._ His channel has all of 38.5k subscribers after eight years and most of his uploads don't get anywhere near 2k views. I've had his livestreams show up in my recommendations a few times and the numbers were pathetic. Might as well just have been members of his family and their pets watching, _bro._ Does anybody think that if Jim and Brian did livestreams of the "Drive-Thru", they would only have five dozen or so people as their real-time audience and only ten or fifteen dozen people watch it after the fact? You would think the supposed "architect, creator, and mastermind of the Attitude Era" could get more people to give a toss about his opinions, _bro_ ? Apparently not! _Bro!_

A few things- 1. Listening to this and thinking it over, it really was Vince who screwed Bret, from beginning to end. The contract, the match, everything. Sure Shawn did his part, but the whole thing of having Bret drop to Shawn and not someone else, was stupid. Granted Bret could have just dropped to Shawn to be done and make it smooth and go to WCW, but at the point and all ge dealt with, why should he? This was in an era where the character and the losses actually meant something, so I agree, Bret did nothing wrong. 2. Shawn didn’t draw as champ as they say, but hate Shawn all you want, but the whole WWF sucked in 96. It wasn’t till 97 where things were starting to change with less goofy characters, Austin finding his character, Shawn embracing his asshole self and doing the DX deal. Then WWF started to really pick up. Brian and Cornette never cared for DX and all the antics, but you can’t deny it was popular and people were tuning in.

@kant5696

Жыл бұрын

Shawn did have some pretty good matches in 96 though he didnt draw well. Him vs mankind comes to mind. But my biggest peeve was not getting the belt off bret sooner. I do agree with your point too that bret could have did the job with hbk to be done with it but like you said, character mattered back then

@Speedyreedy1218

Жыл бұрын

Late 96 things picked up in WWF.

@yoitsSmitty2004

Жыл бұрын

And people was giving the rock hella go home heat in 97

Idk the time-line of when Vince told Bret to go negotiate with WCW, but Bret had just won the WWF Title from Undertaker at the end of August that year at Summerslam. So Bret's reign was only a few months long. I don't understand why Vince put the belt on him if he wanted him gone.

That Travis Heckel with this art LMAO!!!!!!

@ASCUMBAGWh0re

Жыл бұрын

Waiting on the guy to come n say "its not art"

@ASCUMBAGWh0re

Жыл бұрын

Its not art, it's a horrible middle school level doodle! Art.. smh

Loving the two solid clips of the Experience/Drive through dropping a day before the full podcast. Wets the pallett 👌🏻💯

Agreed Cornette, looking back at these matches, they are like night and day compared to today's wrestling.

@matthewnewman6039

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Today is better.

Bret is such a legend. Best there is.

@theblueoctopus4494

Жыл бұрын

Even better than the Mantaur?

@HQLondon23

Жыл бұрын

He's no El Dandy

@johnnykeane9633

Жыл бұрын

Best there was...

@gardner78

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnykeane9633 Best there ever will be!

@kenrickeason

Жыл бұрын

Love Bret.. Hated Shawn as a Character.. Bret Hart style of wrestling looked real, looked clean and tight and I love that he took the business seriously.. I don't care what people know about Pro Wrestling Today still take it seriously.. People knew what was going on back then but they kinda respected the business cause the wrestlers took it seriously..

I know the MSJ has been beaten to death and I'm sicking of arguing over who was right, who was wrong, what could've happened etc. but it always bothers me how WWE paints the narrative that Survivor Series was Bret's last night in the company and he became WCW property the next day when that is completely false. There's a reason why Bret wasn't on WCW till 3 weeks later in December cause that was when his contract started! It didn't start the next night. Also Bret was advertised for multiple WWE shows in November including at MSG, Bret had every intentions of working those shows going into SS but of course after getting screwed and punching out Vince that made Bret no show the rest of his WWE dates and sit at home until his WCW contract started. On a side note something that doesn't get talked about when discussing the MSJ is that Bret already filled the contractual obligation for dates for the year 1997 before Survivor Series so legally Bret didn't even have to do the match if he didn't want to and contractually he would've been legally allowed to do so without them claiming he breached it.

@devangpatel5227

Жыл бұрын

agreed... so annoying

@only1icon1801

Жыл бұрын

Facts 👍🏼👍🏼

What did Shawn Michaels do to Brian Last?

I'm really surprised that A&E brought up the "Sunny Days" thing.

Given how much I've listened and re-listened the whole Shawn/Bret saga from so many different sources you'd think I'd be sick of it by now, but it's such a fascinating story (especially considering how it shaped things moving forward).

@AmateurBarbarian

Жыл бұрын

I was watching WWE at the time it was all going on and it was definitely fascinating. It was common knowledge they hated each other and Raw was live-ish so you never knew what was going to happen.

😂😂😂Lawler was taking a dump when the Bret/Shawn fight happened in the bathroom!

I stopped watching wrestling 20 years ago. Tried watching RAW a few years ago along with AEW. Wrestling is atrocious and blatantly fake looking nowadays. I am addicted to this channel however. Cornette's perspective and history lessons on the industry are fantastic to listen to.

@Houndini

Жыл бұрын

Yes. For long time we all know it was more just a show not so much a real competition. I known that clear back in early 1970's. I saw now appear Nash trying make money on KZread The Klick or something he calling trying call it. Talking how great they was. That was the very same group I feel exposed the business a lot more than poor Duggan & Iron Sheik getting busted riding together drinking & caught with dope A heel & Baby Face working a angle. Plus Nash I think is the slowest moving laziest wrestler I ever seen in my life. 30 + years ago that group try pull that stunt. Cops would found them in some dirt road side ditch somewhere & none would known or remember what happened to them over That Curtain Call dumb *** stunt. That was A pretty stupid stunt. They had to been on bunch dumb pills or dope during that time period. What they did was just wrong. Rest them people was trying feed there families & they was too busy working together trying advance there own careers at cost of others. Pretty sad to think about there piss poor attitude at that time period.

@BryantFinlay

Жыл бұрын

I don't share your opinion, at least not about AEW

@cappy2282

Жыл бұрын

Modern WWE is a cringe fest and I feel bad for wrestling fans. Wrestlers used to be "the cool kids" Now they're dorks like Sammy Zane

As someone who has watched wrestling for 40 plus years... this Rivals show was "at best"... a BRIEF (or edited) version of the original documentary about Bret v Shawn. Having Nash and JBL on that panel... no problem. As for the others... a HUGE waste! Having more of those who were in the company during that time, would have done A LOT BETTER! Maybe if they had Bret and Shawn, along with other legends, discussing the rivalry... could have and more than likely would have made that show, something special to watch.

I find it amazing that they get people like Kofi Kingston and Tamina to do shows like this but Jim who was actually there and has lots to say about it.

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

Jim is a biased POS. Kofi was a fan and Tamina grew up in the business. Both of them would give an unique viewpoint on it and do not carry the inherent bias Cornette had Cornette would spend the entire time crapping on Shawn and it would do nothing for the doc.

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

@Malcolm Williams Nah, he would render it meaningless with all his BS. Only the brain washed cult members would think it was anything.

@randommay9219

Жыл бұрын

That would just be stupid like solar cars in Arizona or New Mexico Americans are smarter than that they would see right though it

@NeilAlanBarker

Жыл бұрын

That's because Jim would tell the truth and not the WWE revised history.

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

@@NeilAlanBarker LOL Jim won't tell the truth. Jim will tell what HE thinks is the truth and his "truth" is just as much BS as anything WWE says.

The worst part was when they made it sound like WWE was the first company to book a 60 minute match.

4:04 "What were you doing beforehand, featuring plumbers!?" - TL Hopper enters the chat.

Bret Hart's matches aged the best of anyone in wwe history. They were amazing back then and nowadays they blow anything today out of the water.

@jakebowski02

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Wish Bret would teach and be more involved with one of the two major companies. I love that Punks recent matches have been Bret’s style. Bryan is close when singles. But yeah nobody comes close. It looked REAL and more akin to UFC. Not just spots.

@cappy2282

Жыл бұрын

Ya Bret career and matches age like fine wine. He is such a legend

Vince wanted his lover to be champion.

What’s sad about all of this is that there wasn’t enough angles with eachother. Imagined they played off eachother in a angle where they became a temporary friends turn rival. So much possibilities.

@tafua_a

5 ай бұрын

Bret stated that the goal was originally for Bret to eventually lose one final time to Shawn in '98, turn face and become friends with Shawn. Sadly, they then became actual enemies and then Vince told him to go to WCW

I'd always thought, like Brian, that McMahon's desire to put the belt on Shawn seems irrational, but Bruce has said that the plan to eventually put the belt on Austin was already in place... So, it makes sense that Shawn vs. Austin at Mania is probably a bigger draw than a Hart vs. Austin rematch ...

@chrischar9428

Жыл бұрын

Bullshit

@mattthomas1442

Жыл бұрын

It obviously worked out and I agree a rematch between Bret/Austin probably wouldn't have drawn as well(of course with how hot Austin was and Tyson being there I don't think it would've mattered much who the champion was) but I think it was insane that Vince would've trusted Shawn to be the one to pass the torch to Austin at Mania considering Shawn's history up until that point. On top of him "losing his smile" the year prior to get out of a job he was notorious for never dropping any belts but instead taking his ball and going home and forfeiting them. The only time he did was to Sid and that was only cause they promised him he'd win it back in his hometown 2 months later. Also at that time Shawn openly said on TV and behind the scenes(if you're to believe was some wrestlers have said) that he is "Done doing jobs and he's not laying down for nobody." There's a reason Taker sat at gorilla with his hands taped for the Austin match cause even he wasn't sure if Shawn would actually do business. COnsidering how important it was to giveAustin the belt at Mania it seems like an unnecessary risk on WWE's part to trust Shawn to do it.

@tafua_a

5 ай бұрын

Remember though, Bruce's pants have a tendency to spontaneously combust a lot.

I love when Brian refers to Bruce as "Baghdad Bob."

Why is brie bella vs stephanie McMahon a rivalry bs

Sweet. I was hoping you guys would cover these shows

Shawn's hair was escaping him not on the top but the side corner slowly since summer 97. When it's brushed out you couldn't tell, but in a ponytail for sure, especially when he starts sweating.

“Unsafe Work Environment” sounds like something that would come out of Nash’s mouth.

@1stKindChris

Жыл бұрын

I agree, only Nash was in WCW

@TheMagnificentMongoSlade

Жыл бұрын

100% but Nash wasn't there so he was probably advising Shawn from WCW ... or maybe it was HHH.

@Beer_Baron_

Жыл бұрын

@@1stKindChris Right. Just because Nash was in WCW doesn’t mean they stopped talking via phone. I’m sure they talked to each other a bit during this time period. Nash was trying to get Shawn to come to WCW.

@1stKindChris

Жыл бұрын

@@Beer_Baron_ maybe my timeline of events is wrong. I thought him and Bret fought and then he approached McMahon and company right after. But according to you all, he fought Bret then immediately called Nash and THEN spoke with McMahon with a clump of hair in his hand..... makes much more sense your way

One thing I never understood is what was stopping Bischoff from saying the day before Survivor Series that he signed Bret. The contract was already signed so Bischoff could have said it at anytime before SS.

@teresabyrne3664

Жыл бұрын

Probably something in said contract not allowing him to make the announcement

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

When his TV shows aired. He can't crow on TV to a live audience unless it is Monday.

@chrischar9428

Жыл бұрын

Bret asked him not too. Eric agreed

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

@@chrischar9428 LOl Eric is a pathological liar. Eric's "agreement" means squat. Eric absolutely would have crowed about signing the WWF champion if Bret had kept the title, belt or not belt. LOL at people who think Eric would keep his word after all the stuff he did pull in his career.

@chrischar9428

Жыл бұрын

@@chriskay1449 and he didn't want to piss off his new star. Therefore the star asks and Eric agrees. Why piss off your new star who is unsure in the 1st place

Vince is always working an angle. The truth as you told it is great for the lovers of inside baseball, but the story they told will get more viewers. AND Steph vs Brie has a huge niche reality tv fanbase

Respect to Jim telling the truth about this episode and guys like Bruce just putting out the "company line". I watched this live in 1997. They leave out so much in these documentaries - espeicially the fact that Bret didn't want to leave even WWE. He tried and ultimately Vince pushed him out. What else is a guy supposed to do but go to the only other wrestling company at that time. But the WWE will CONSTANTLY spin a narrative that Bret left for greener pastures. You also have to love how the WWE spits out how wrong it would be for Bret to leave chamption. Does everyone just want to completely ignore the fact that they brought in Ric Flair with the NWA championship when he up and left in 1991? The hypocrisy and BS of trying to re-write history is pathetic. Fact is: Bret wanted to leave in a respectful fashion. He offered enough times to lose the belt to anyone and even said he would to Shawn the next night on live TV as long as Shawn could prove he would do the same. Remember, Bret was still under contract.

@jayc6395

Жыл бұрын

Has nothing to do with dropping belt in his home town...EGO!! PLAIN & SIMPLE.

@tafua_a

5 ай бұрын

@@jayc6395 It had more to do with dropping the belt on PPV to a guy that not only told him to his face he would never return the favor Bret did to him at Mania 12, but had repeatedly found a way out of losing to Bret throughout the year ("losing his smile", the whole backstage fight incident weeks before a scheduled match at King of the Ring...)

They should've never put the title back on Bret at SummerSlam '97. That's the fixed point. If the belt had been left on the Undertaker instead of giving Hitman what would be his 5th & final reign, the Montreal Screwjob doesn't happen...

@walruswasrob

Жыл бұрын

Bingo.

@chrischar9428

Жыл бұрын

Gets belt then suddenly can't pay him. Bullshit

I liked seeing their interaction in the end.

The 2011 WWE dvd that went into this issue has already done this subject perfectly in my eyes.

LOL love the 'cosplay trampoline cowboys".....JC always has a great description to offer!

Something I've not heard much of is that everyone looks over the fact that at summerslam 97 they took the belt off of taker and put it on bret

@RileyTaker

Жыл бұрын

Although, that did lead to Hell in a Cell and the debut of Kane, so that bit worked out.

The patch of Shawns hair that Jims ex wife has from Halifax, Nova Scotia is a great story.

@bryankelloway6610

Жыл бұрын

Where is that posted?

@donmauro8123

Жыл бұрын

@@bryankelloway6610 i dont remember he talked about in on a shoot like 7 years ago, may have breaking kayfabe

@Zantar45

Жыл бұрын

@@bryankelloway6610 kzread.info/dash/bejne/oax-y8Oxe5CXoZs.html

@GenGamesUniverse

Жыл бұрын

@@donmauro8123 It was on Keyfabe Commentaries.

@bryankelloway6610

Жыл бұрын

I'll have to look for it

He forgets the guys they had that were garbagemen,ate too much,plumbers,monks,Santa Clause,etc.

19:42 Shawn as a babyface champion wasnt a success, but he didn't bomb any worse than Nash, Bret, Sid or Taker did. No matter who they put the belt on from 95 to 97, no one was moving the needle. And the WWF was still going back n forth with victories over WCW with Shawn as champion until the nWo happened in the summer of 96. And putting the belt back on Shawn was clearly the right move cause business was absolutely going up during his heel DX run even before Austin got the belt.

@magsxx9735

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention he only had Sid, Vader and Bulldog to work with. There wasn’t much star power on the roster compared to WCW. They had NWO, Sting, Randy Savage, Ric Flair, Lex Luger and more.

@yoitsSmitty2004

Жыл бұрын

@@magsxx9735 and Goldberg coming in and getting popular was a haymaker to WWF

One more time Bret just wanted to stay in WWF. Vince pushed him out

WWE’s recent, feeble drum beating on this story continues to just kill the mystique and intrigue about the story. I think a LOT OF US are just so tired of it at this point.

23:47 Brian's reaction when jim tells him about the Steph rivalry lol lol

There was so many ways they could have booked it to get the title off of Bret. But for some bizarre reason they were intent on embarrasing Bret by having Michaels beat him on PPV in Canada.

Point of correction: Bret had "reasonable creative control" which isn't necessarily the same thing as "creative control." While I agree that they should have never given that to Bret if they didn't intend to honor it, I'm sure the company position would be that they tried everything possible to satisfy the "reasonable" requirement.

@Erlewyn

Жыл бұрын

Isn't it on "wrestling with shadows" that he explains it as basically "freedom inside a match, but no control over the result" ?

@user-do2ev2hr7h

Жыл бұрын

@@Erlewyn It's been ages since I've seen that film, so I can't remember. That sounds about right though. Bret had some measure of creative control, but not absolute control a la Hogan and his WCW contract.

@henrygvidonas9573

Жыл бұрын

@@Erlewyn If that had been the case, Bret wouldn't have had a leg to stand on with his "I can't lose in Canada, the children will lose all hope for the future if I do" nonsense. I'm not saying you're wrong, but if that was the phrasing in the contract, how did the bickering and negotiating drag on for weeks?

@chrischar9428

Жыл бұрын

Means he didn't have to lose to anyone he didn't want to

@AmpsWorld420

Жыл бұрын

From what I understand Bret had control over who he lost to on the way out as not to get buried on the way out. It was basically burial protection so he could go out looking strong.

Shawn Michaels August 97 to March 98 was the most entertaining version of HBK. DX put butts in the seat

The one segment that I will never forget from their rivalry was the Bret heel turn where Shawn came out. You can feel the dislike they legit had. After watching that segment for the first time in 25 years, this might be the most uncomfortable, realistic yet incredible 15-20 minutes of 90’s wrestling that sums up why this era is good for fancy moves but when it comes to character work and promos, it doesn’t compare.

@newhere2419

Жыл бұрын

Exactly . i just rewatched that.Shawn calls him 'mark man' . it was the first promo where i was like....wait a second ...this is real.

@sirnoname6943

9 ай бұрын

Or Shawn’s Canada accent

the best thing going good job Jim thank you guys

I think the sentiment expressed by Bret recently is accurate that it's a shame his and Michaels' issues prevented them from having more great matches. With Michaels adding a valid point on WWE Bump that if that was the case, who knows whether their rivalry would be as memorable as it is now. I think overall, both are right, but it comes down to - was it worth it? Was it worth having one of the most memorable rivalries in history when it involved so much hate, bad blood, hurt, backstabbing and ultimately pretty much irreparably and sadly altering the life of one of them while the other was on a path so wrong, he literally had to find faith and completely reshape his entire life before destroying himself? In the long run, they both lost here big time and IMO it wasn't worth it. It's just sad that two guys maybe not too far from each other at heart, just had to do each other like this. That Michaels couldn't be more professional and had to insult Bret on numerous occasions to the point Bret then was unprofessional in return when he should've dropped the title to Michaels.

@whidoineedthis

Жыл бұрын

If you don't want to wrestle/fight with someone you don't have to

@apostolostvable

Жыл бұрын

Had their feud not ended up the way it did, there's a strong chance that the WWF's "attitude era" happens quite differently. No "Mr. McMahon" evil owner character as the perfect heel foil for the already incredibly popular Steve Austin in late 1997.

I had to laugh at the moment when i think bruce said, that Bret could wrestle with a log or so cant remember the phrase and then they show him vs Nash

@drunkensailor112

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

Things that will always be beautiful to watch and pretty much don't see such things anymore -Bret Hart's Russian leg sweep -Bret's facial expressions of being "worn out/pain" -Bret's turnbuckle smack -Bret's floating suplex -HBK's story selling through facials and use of ropes -HBK's flying forearm -Mr. Perfect's perfect-plex -Mr. Perfect's standing dropkick -Jerry Lawler's punches -Owen Hart's chain wrestling -Kurt Angle's head duck from a punch -Kurt Angle's reversals -Eddie Guerrero throwing personality into the matches -legit tag team wrestling chemistry -Razor Ramon punching style -Undertaker's float over rope landing on feet. -

@Amzingred

Жыл бұрын

Only wrestler that comes close to doing such beautiful motions nowadays or has that special type of flare to their matches where they move with such purpose and actually have an IQ in putting on a match are AJ Styles and Randy Orton. The only type of "new generation style" that looks decent enough that could make wrestling feel like old school but new and needed was NXT Pete Dunne and Walter.

There was a special a few years ago on the network basically the same show.

I thought it was pretty good. I just don't like as Jim says the "talking heads". I am a huge WWE fan but I would decline doing an interview because I wasn't there.

Love your podcast Jim , look forward at the end of the work day , and love your care of the sport from the past to the present, growing up with Atlantic Grand Prix wrestling, with Leo Burke , The Beast , Jos Leduc , killer Karl Krupp etc .

It was good to see Nash talked about Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels because he is friends with Bret and B.F.F.'s with Shawn.

Thanks for the artwork

It's amazing how much Bret and Shawn disliked each other but had such amazing chemistry in the ring.

@whidoineedthis

Жыл бұрын

They're great wrestlers. That's why

@tafua_a

5 ай бұрын

They also always respected each other's talent in the ring. Real recognizes real, even though they hate each other.@@whidoineedthis

Could have been such a better rivalry and story if both guys was on the same page! Not to mention WCW would go on to drop the ball with Hart and not do anything with him.

I was a kid entering High School when this happened. But Corny's right. We didnt know much about the inner workings of wrestling or let alone put the pieces together. But it was entertaining. I as a kid didnt understood the rivalry, but you seen it because it was obvious. And you literally felt it. It was intense. I watched that PPV. I watched Brett spit on Vince. Boy that was something. Lol

The "StoryLine" that Gave Us TheMost Quoted Line of Wrestling History! ("You're Makin' Diana Look Like a Hoo-Ah!") 😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂

The thumbnail is too funny. HBK’s bald spot. 😂

@davidgi3

Жыл бұрын

You beat me to it lol 👨‍🦲

Brian talking as if he was there. He really does have a high opinion of himself.

@davidnelson4347

Жыл бұрын

Usually spoiled brats do

@tysontomko

Жыл бұрын

@@davidnelson4347 Brian King of crypto, "I worked at Sony!", hater of biscuits and gravy, 40 year old child mentally and physically, Jericho lives free in his head forever Last

@ryanglue8056

Жыл бұрын

@@tysontomko he must be fun at parties! Haha

Where is the full show???🤔🤔 It's not on the website

Shawn in Montreal, one of my favorite promos, nuclear heat from the crowd. The Bella twins were 2 of the worst women's wrestlers ever. They got their success because of Cena & Bryan.

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. The Bellas were favorites of the office and each had their first title reign before they started dating Cena and Bryan. Hell, Brie got her first reign before Bryan was even in the company. They are not the worst womes wrestlers ever when the likes of Summer Rae and Jackie Gayda exist. You can hate the Bellas, but don't lie about what actually happened.

@socialistbatman1211

Жыл бұрын

I don’t remember anything about Brie’s wrestling before she fucked up Liv Morgan, but Nikki Bella was definitely decent

@henrygvidonas9573

Жыл бұрын

One was halfway decent in the ring by old "Divas" standards, but couldn't hang with the Bayleys, Beckies, and Charlottes. I think the one without all the aftermarket stripper enhancement parts who is married to Bryan Danielson and named like a French cheese? The other one was just the shits. I wonder what their family gatherings with mom and dear ol' stepdad are like these days?

The Montreal Screwjob will always be an unfortunate chapter in the WWE. And hearing Cornette's first hand account on the way the top brass in the WWE was thinking at that time made a lot of things make sense. It is indeen a huge blackeye, but after the events that unfolded in the next few years I dare say that it is a necessary one. Without it, the evil Mr. McMahon character would never be born. And without Mr. McMahon, I doubt Stone Cold Steve Austin would have been as over as he was - he was practically living the very dream of a lot of ordinary humans to beat the living hell on the boss, the authority. And without the Mr. McMahon-Stone Cold rivalry, I don't know if the Attitude Era would ever really be as successful or even be a thing.

@J.D.1.

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't even unfortunate for the reason you say. Bret was out of line for refusing to just do as he was told and drop the belt legitimately.

@matthewcox9993

Жыл бұрын

How can you believe anything Corny says on the screw job lol. The one two people who claims to thought of the screw job are Corny and Russo.

The bald spot on hbk's head is classic LOL

Bret v. HBK Rock v. Austin Sub-Zero v. Scorpion (My) Top 3 rivalries ever

Bret vs Shawn has always been my favorite wwe rivalry..But yes ..if Shawn acted right or his personal mess..they definitely would have had more matches..before SS 97....hell we didn't get the match they made on raw..with the hart foundation handcuffed around the ring....But I saw that Stephanie Vs Brie Featured...WTFFFF!!!🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

I dunno why WWE didn’t just explain the concern Re: Bischoff on the screw job. WWE even had a whole Raw episode post Survivor Series where they noted that November 30th was Bret’s last day under contract. Yet they keep telling that lie.

The graphic has me CRYINGGGGGGGGG 😭😭😭😭😭

26 min and not 1 mention of "Sunny Days"

“I’ve lost a lot of things and one of them has been my hair.”

According to hulk, Bret has only himself to blame for getting pinned by Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania 16.

@Eric__-ew3zv

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@henrygvidonas9573

Жыл бұрын

"Bret screwed Bret, brother! I have no sympathy for him, dude! That's an exclusive Hulkster original for you, pal... I mean _brother!_ That'll be $250, brah! Paper or plastic?"

The commentary on Vince and Jon hits different a year later..

I never heard Bruce's honest questioned. In fact I never heard it mentioned. Jim is a lyrical genius lmao

Bret was playing nice on this one when he kept saying "We" it was mostly Shawn's nasty attitude that always got in the way of everything

@Sky_Blaze

Жыл бұрын

Not defending Shawn but Bret has a damn ego on him they both air headed divas

@AndromedanPrince

Жыл бұрын

Not nearly as big of an ego diva as HBK though.. unlike Shawn Bret was willing to work with pretty much anyone

@southsudani983

Жыл бұрын

@@Sky_Blaze bret wasn’t selfish tho , he loved helping others

@Sky_Blaze

Жыл бұрын

@@southsudani983 I get that but damn the way Bret talks about himself, like 90% of wrestlers do, is just eye rolling..wrestlers have such egos man for no reason

@totallybored5526

Жыл бұрын

Nope a “toxic” relationship is *always* a two way street

I always wondered what Bret’s career would of been without it? Would of loved to see Bret have a second run in WWE

“We may have just found out why she never spoke!” Hahahaha hilarious!

Indeed I get more engaged watching for example a 1997 episode of Raw than any recent episode.

Corny states that getting Bret to drop the belt to Shamrock, that "he would've saw that coming". No. Not only does Bret speak highly of Shamrock, the two are friends and he also claimed he would have been more than happy to drop the belt to Shamrock, Taker or Austin, anybody. Just not Shawn then.

@chuckmendez8446

Жыл бұрын

Corny said exactly what you are saying in the interview with Sean Oliver from KC. Bret was more than willing to drop the title to Taker, Foley, Shamrock and/or Austin. Was Shamrock trained at the Dungeon? I remember reading something like that somewhere

@chrischar9428

Жыл бұрын

Including Lombardi