Jim: “have I told this story before?” Fans: “we don’t care, continue.”

Funny thing is, I simply asked why he booked Shawn at that event considering how much he hates him. He goes on a 32 min history lesson about the entire show. I love Jim.

@kurin411

3 жыл бұрын

The wrestling gods were smiling down upon you

@thepublichousebrandcom

3 жыл бұрын

He probably didn't mind HBK in 95 as that was probably pre Kliq ?

@RopeDrink

3 жыл бұрын

As he said earlier, Shawn wasn't the prima-donna he became later (eg. a Vader head-kicking, Montreal title-snatching, smile losing whiner who wanted it all his own way and would kick up a childish stink otherwise). Love him or hate him, you still can't knock his matches, old or new. I always remember his older WWE appearances when he mellowed out, such as the awesome Ric Flair retirement match at WM XXIV, followed by the classic Undertaker matches, and a lot stuff from way before that.

@sajidmahmud1601

3 жыл бұрын

@LastDropFalls sure thing bud. Sure thing.

@davey3884

Жыл бұрын

HBK is a fantastic worker, believe it or not, promoters don't turn down money.

I enjoy the deep dives more than the AEW reviews.

@brandonfields4360

3 жыл бұрын

Yes to this

@user-by2dz6oj6b

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@nicholasfarrell8403

3 жыл бұрын

They are so much better

@TheMagnificentMongoSlade

3 жыл бұрын

I like them a lot.

@royalty843

3 жыл бұрын

So wwe doesn't suck either?

32 minutes of Jim talking wrestling history? I'm in.

@sinicalypse

3 жыл бұрын

A good deep dive lasts about 90mins-2hrs. This is just a tease/taste/etc

@theatreakatheodoremunir7231

2 жыл бұрын

So Am I!!!

@dakariodin188

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to be so offtopic but does someone know a method to get back into an Instagram account?? I was dumb lost the account password. I would appreciate any tips you can offer me

@dakariodin188

2 жыл бұрын

@Gianni Lachlan Thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and im in the hacking process atm. Seems to take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

@dakariodin188

2 жыл бұрын

@Gianni Lachlan it worked and I finally got access to my account again. Im so happy:D Thanks so much you really help me out !

Ill still never forget the story about Lawler taking a crap whilst Bret and Shawn fought outside the cubicle, " History has not recorded if the king wiped first before he told Vince "

Man, that was a hell of a story, very cool to hear that.

@chrischar9428

3 жыл бұрын

All that and still couldn't draw s***

Goddamn! I love the passion and knowledge Jim brings, and this is just an offhand recounting. I love the specificity and honesty, breaking down the spreadsheet. Fascinating. I hope this show will be made available in DVD/streaming someday soon 💚

@callummcclarey391

Жыл бұрын

If cornette wasn't so talented he'd be straight into my boy stable

@FreneticZetetic

Жыл бұрын

Cornette is a national treasure, and OSW and Wrestling Bios are gonna win whether they want to or not!

@coryjacobs3253

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t know you guys like corny

@anthonyversace9548

Жыл бұрын

Mo me meow

@yogsenforfoth5948

2 ай бұрын

Lads! OSDub for life!

This kind of content is a treasure. I hope people are downloading these to preserve them.

I loved Buddy Landell’s promo where he talked about his addictions before this match. It was as heartfelt as it gets.

@hezamachine

3 жыл бұрын

He was preaching at the time. Marty Jannetty said that he got all religious on him. He caught Buddy doing something not religious (didn't say what it was), and told him that he was "taking a break".

Buddy Landell’s promo for this match was really great stuff.

Shawns best attire turning baby face in a incredible match with Double JJ. Back when the workers belt actually meant something especially the white leather IC. Miss those days of wrestling

@-JAVY-

3 жыл бұрын

HBK was prob the only 1 that can put over that white belt

This is such an interesting crossroads of Northern and Southern wrestling. 1995 is when I started to consistently watch wrestling, but I was a youth and had no idea this kind of stuff was happening outside of WWF. I would love to see pre-Nation D’Lo in action.

@user-hc9qv9yb9m

3 жыл бұрын

Should have been the norm

@unicornace

3 жыл бұрын

Its all here on yt to watch brother

@nickcull07

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up! I will be taking advantage of that.

@unicornace

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickcull07 someone has uploaded all 200 episodes in a playlist Seek it out man

@bdr113080

3 ай бұрын

The thing I love about Smoky Mountain wrestling besides how good it is, is that every show is available on KZread. I think it’s the only promotion where every syndicated television show is here on KZread and even a few of the big shows I don’t think all of the big shows are on KZread but I think quite a few of them are. I’ve ordered some of the big shows on DVD from Jim Cornett and it’s cool because he signs all of them and he writes a little message to you when he does. I’m not going to say, smoky mountain wrestling had the biggest stars like at the time they were running the big stars in the business were Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Diesel, Sting, HBK, Vader, Razor Ramon, Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Yokozuna, Lex Luger etc. a couple of those guys would come in and do a match at the big shows, but as far as weak to weak and month-to-month, they didn’t have any of those guys…… but no one will ever be able to convince me that if you ask the question in the first half of the 90s which wrestling promotion did the best with what they had it’s easily Smoky Mountain Wrestling. Jim did the very best he could do with the roster he had where in 1995 I think both WCW and WWF all had a ton of talent but the way everyone was being booked was terrible. I don’t think it’s Kevin Nas’s fault for what was going on in WWF at the time I blame Vince for how he was booking Kevin Nash. I blame Eric Bishop for not understanding that. Yes now that you have Hogan integrate him into your roster, but Eric could not do that in a way without burying the WCW roster. All the heels basically just took churns jobbing to Hogan and our top baby faces were now just reduced to Hulk Hogan sidekicks. It made WCW look like the minor leagues. But what Jim did with the talent he had in Smoky Mountain wrestling I don’t think Eric Bishop, or Vince McMahon would’ve been able to do better. It’s great there are so many wrestlers that did work other promotions like Tracy Smothers and Chris Candido. Yep those guys worked WWF, WCW and ECW, but their best run and I would even throw Al Snow in this category too, their best run was in smoky mountain. When those guys were just allowed to be themselves and cut their own promo and go out there and show the fans what they could do they shined there. None of them ever really got a chance to do that anywhere else they worked. I know Chris had a better run in ECW than he did WWF or WCWAnd he was in the triple threat faction but when you go look at what he did in ECW I think he had a better run in Smokey Mountain. Watching Delo Brown like you had mentioned was a lot of fun, so many great wrestlers that were in WWF or WCW or ECW during the Monday night wars got their start in smoky mountain wrestling. I really don’t think Smoky Mountain gets the credit it deserves.

That landel promo is incredible

Stuff like that is why the experience is the best wrestling related podcast by far.

that Snow and Sabu line was hilarious

@morequick8842

3 жыл бұрын

14:18

Love it when he goes in to detail about wrestling 👍

Thanks Corny for teaching the $#!+stain smarks the proper way to book a program... well in advance, with a logical set-up and, equally important, a logical payoff... and with a just enough wiggle room to cover the unforeseen swerves. On top of that, a way to showcase some of your talent to help launch them to the next level. That's Pro Wrestling the way its supposed to be done!

@chadk890

3 жыл бұрын

Marty Jannetty vs Al Snow had more WRESTLING than 3 hours of RAW and Dynamite

Picture above looks like Henry Rollins and Charlie Sheen pretending to be HBK and B. Landell

Buddy Landel "my own worst enemy promo" is easily one of wrestlings best promo (kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpp30sygk9GyltY.html) R.I.P. Buddy. More content like this over aew review any day.

@Hidden-Secrets

3 жыл бұрын

Thx for putting the link in your comment.

@jenisia3600

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hidden-Secrets anytime 👍

@chadk890

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I remember when Buddy was National Heavyweight Champion in Mid Atlantic

@invisible.fatman

3 жыл бұрын

Almost as good as when Shawn lost his smile 😁

@nicholasfarrell8403

2 жыл бұрын

One of the best promos ever

Yee!! Jim answered my question :D Wish he mentioned my name though :-(

@spaniardprince6333

3 жыл бұрын

That sorta sucks but still cool.

@davidleewrath6919

3 жыл бұрын

Cool! Yeah, the name thing tends to happen every now and then.

@Will_kid_cortez

3 жыл бұрын

Make sure you download the episode so you always have it. I did the same when he read my email

@davidleewrath6919

3 жыл бұрын

@@Will_kid_cortez How many attempts until they finally read it? It's getting harder now that they're over 200,000 subscribers. Did you send them every week? A day before? I know they tape the Drive-Thru on Mondays (Brian mentioned an email from a day before) and the Experience on Thursdays (Jim mentioned something about the date).

@Will_kid_cortez

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidleewrath6919 I actually think its where you send it. Mine was 1 time maybe it was the subject I had. I did it on JC website instead of the drive thru email or Twitter

Damn its been awhile since we had a deep dive... and I always wanted to hear about 95. Maybe do the final days of SMW next?

Considering what we now know about blood in wrestling Shawn was right not wanting to roll around in that ring.

@almightycinder

3 жыл бұрын

Especially since he mentioned Bob Orton being there...

@Clubber-Slang

Жыл бұрын

@@almightycinder he did? I heard Bob ARMSTRONG several times, but not Orton, especially not wrestling.

@almightycinder

Жыл бұрын

@@Clubber-Slang Orton Jr has hepatitis c

@Clubber-Slang

Жыл бұрын

@@almightycinder yeah, I'm aware of that. I never heard him say that Bob Orton Jr was on the superbowl of wrestling event, especially wrestling. Night of legends was a separate event.

The "print money" bit is hugely relevant to arts/entertainment in general. Back in the day, if you had a decent style and could play your instrument, you could be a working musician. Now you have to already be well-off to get anywhere because the barriers to success are financial.

@thelastmotel

Жыл бұрын

You also need to have a large social media presence, even before you really start your push

@jabrockobiden9434

6 ай бұрын

Social media does not lead to money.

@luposapien4720

6 ай бұрын

@@jabrockobiden9434 no one said it did

Damn Jim, you wanted Jeff Jarrett and got HBK? That’s like expecting McDonalds and getting a filet. Even in 95 Edit: I triggered the marks! There is absolutely no reason for this comment to have almost 60 replies 😂😂

@standardofexcellence

3 жыл бұрын

Jarrett had a great match with hbk at iyh2

@kylesantos8190

3 жыл бұрын

@@standardofexcellence hell yeah

@Ted_Bell

3 жыл бұрын

@Sam Yeah but last I heard the Jarrett's don't get along. He buries him over the Russo recruitment plenty.

@ac8274

3 жыл бұрын

@MemphoWrasslin1 dude, just don’t lol

@RagingCookie127

3 жыл бұрын

@@standardofexcellence Almost everyone had a great match with HBK.

Much thanks and safety to ya guys!! I really hope at some point you guys do an entire episode of just non wrestling discussion,it's always hilarious!

That Hooters waitress idea is actually a brilliant idea. A male dominated sport with Hooters girls bringing you stuff so you don't have to? Yeah, sign me up.

D lo brown vs brad armstrong. That is a great match. Liked both of them alot in their prime.

It's Interesting, The costs of running those big Indy Wrestling shows. to pull it off in the that territory circuit.

@user-hc9qv9yb9m

3 жыл бұрын

This is what could have kept it interesting for decades. Promotion vs promotion!

Shawn was only one nostril in to becoming Shawn Micheals

This was really good to listen to!!

He called Chris Benoit, but Chris was out of the country. Jim said, "You're killing me, Chris."

@daleva187goligo

3 жыл бұрын

tacky

@frankcabanski9409

3 жыл бұрын

@@daleva187goligo I guess my comment died.

@sinicalypse

3 жыл бұрын

@@daleva187goligo delightfully tacky, yet refined!

Didn't this get Buddy a (short, of course) WWF run in late 95/early 96, with the Ahmed stuff?

@hezamachine

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, He wrestled four matches. He lost to Ahmed Johnson at In Your House, defeated Bob Holly on Raw, defeated Matt Hardy and wrestled Bret Hart in a WWF World Heavyweight Championship match shown on Mania. Landel suffered a serious injury outside of the arena, slipping on ice and tearing his right quadriceps and it ended his run.

Buddy Landel's promo is compelling because it comes across as a shoot.

@hezamachine

3 жыл бұрын

He was preaching at the time. Marty Jannetty said that he got all religious on him. He caught Buddy doing something not religious (didn't say what it was), and told him that he was "taking a break".

Didn't even mention the PG-13 vs Jackie Fulton and Curtis Thompson match that was also on the card. Lol

The Nature Boy should’ve won the Intercontinental Title. That would’ve been awesome.

@attiepollard7847

Ай бұрын

Nope

I remember Shawn and JJ did review their IC match at In Your House on WWE channel probably years ago or months ago

@-JAVY-

3 жыл бұрын

Lol remember when u sent letters 2 see if u can win a house at the in your house ppv and Todd pettingill would announce the winner???

@tonymatrisin4328

3 жыл бұрын

Tony Khan bought that house

What an awesome deep dive! Love it!!!

Buddy was babyface for a brief time in Memphis, summer of 1986. Right before he and Bill Dundee went to Crockett.

22:00- “unknockableoverable”

WWE not putting up this show, which I remember seeing as a kid, is a shame. I remember the video package Jim and SMW put together for Undertaker vs Unabomb (Glen Jacobs, A.K.A. Kane) where they used "Don't Fear The Reaper." I been trying to find that vignette everywhere. #threecountcommentaries

@walterpetersen776

3 жыл бұрын

Sent a autograph picture to Paul bearr Saying your next client look up KZread video called "Jim and Paul" shooting around

@walterpetersen776

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting story after that Unabomb Jacobs se

I rather hear Jim talk about classic wrestling than modern wrestling

SMW New Jack OJ promo 👌👌

Awesome show such good shit. D lo brown vs armstrong good match!!! Headbangers match,marty vs al snow classic match, unabomber, vs taker, bullet bob vs punisher good match,Dan s vs bobby blaze good match, billy jack haynes vsbrad armstrong.thugs vs body's bloody match, ,shawn vs buddy l buddy lost lol Seems like it was a full crowd too

Jim cornette is such a king

Hearing the plane ticket prices, I'm curious why Shawn's was so much, especially in 1995 (reference: I flew round-trip between Baltimore and Honolulu, with a stop in St. Louis, for $777 in summer 2001). Last minute booking? Cross-country flight? He couldn't have been going first class yet.

Smokey Mountain Wrestling was the last great territory!! ECW was not Wrestling, it was guys jumping off balconies, guys killing finishing moves like piledrivers, superplexes and it took a half dozen chairshots and going through about 3 tables. I wouldn't have been surptised for New Jack to pull out a 45 magnum shoots Taz who kicks out!!!! Imho ecw was not Wrestling.

38K minus 23K in expenses. That's a lot of work to make $15K with all that talent.

Did Jim say why this show was not released on VHS/DVD? I was hoping he was going to explain why.

@sajidmahmud1601

3 жыл бұрын

Probably because it features wwf talents, and vince probably prohibited selling vhs dvd of that event.

@jabrockobiden9434

6 ай бұрын

They put the matches on tv though.

SMW didn't go out of business, Cornette stopped running SMW by choice, there's a difference

Buddy Landell was over huge in the southeast

Id like to hear behind the scenes clean up routine after a bloody match. Also how you tested to know blood was safe

the last time I was this early...I left a comment on a KZread video 👀

Hope Jim watches NXT Takeover, especially the Adam Cole v O'Riley match

What a great way to introduce a new wrestler that your planning on giving a big push. Let them go to a place like SMW for a couple months then bring in the IC Champion to face him where everyone thinks its going to be a squash and then have him actually win the title. That would be awesome. He would look like the quintessential underdog. Even if it was NXT. I was hoping they were going to do that with Bron Breakker when he challenged Seth Rollins not long ago.

Everything is money unfortunately. Thanks for sharing Jim. Lot of expenses there

Buddy Landel should have used the entrance song sexy boy

I listened through the clip, did Jim ever explain why a tape wasn’t put out???

@hezamachine

3 жыл бұрын

WWE didn't want Smoky Mountain Wrestling releasing tapes with WWE talent on it.

So Jim didn't get a piece of the bar and concessions?

@manuelper

3 жыл бұрын

Generally, the building keeps that, just like in movie theaters.

This is the most interesting Cornette story I’ve ever heard.

All you had for nash to work was unibomb and bruiser bedlem at that point

12:20 is also great

Please tell us the USWA vs SMW rivalry story!

Buddy landel I thought it was ric flair

This is a billion times better than the WWE.

The closest I could have seen Nash wrestling against who was his size in SMW was Glen Jacobs, but even then he was still very green and had no story to tell with Kevin - unless he let his mouth piece do the talking smack for him to get him to wrestle his monster, Jacobs, and of course I'm talking about Al Snow who was great on the mic and could cause a riot if he was given the chance to. However, even then I think that would have hurt Jacobs' career if that match happened. Shawn was the better choice against Buddy because they were both veterans by this point, could work a match without breaking a sweat, and Jim even knew that he was money to be made when used right. He could hate him, but he separates business from how he feels about some of the guys like Shawn...who was a real piece of garbage by this point, and for many years after, too. It was the right choice in my opinion and they worked together really well and I think they should have been given longer of a feud because Buddy was cleaner by then and more serious about his career and still a young guy, too. He should have been given a run with the championship and it would have been a great story line. He was a little out of shape, but six month of training would have put him back to his optimal shape he was in during the mid 80's when he looked like a million bucks. He was a great wrestler and knew how to control the fans just by taunting them with a smirk, or a batter of the eye. He was that good! Yeah, Shawn was okay too I won't take that away from him, but Buddy was more deserving to be higher in the cards and not used as a jobber afterwards. That was not right, he could have given so much more if given the opportunity.

I remember this event...I was legit pissed The Steiners wasn't in it ..

interesting stuff

Wonderful insight, especially since I know a few 2000s-2010s-2020s promoters and know of a lot more.

21:59 Unknocker-overable😯😆😂😋

Howdy friends

I love this crossover wwf vs smw

I'm going to see if I can get randy hales to do a show with you

I wonder if ecw ever had a show that made a legitimate profit?

@hezamachine

3 жыл бұрын

I'm assuming no. I can't image the production costs for TV and the costs for PPV's.

I chuckled when al said sabu

ECW should get a dark side of the ring episode, but only If they could get Paul Heyman, even though he’d just bullshit the whole episode he’d make it entertaining

The Shawn vs Buddy match was awesome I thought

I would like to see cartoon characters vs video game characters vs comic characters in live action for charity.

It is amazing how Cornette remembers who got paid what off the top of his head. 75 bucks for a table?!?

Corny business sense in a nutshell...Nash is Vince's top guy, a very short time later he would ignite WCW past WWE, and Corny didn't want to use him

@AJ-xv7oh

3 жыл бұрын

You still have absolutely no idea what you are talking about even after Jim gave 3 perfectly reasonable explanations to you 😂 You're a modern gymnastics fan in a nutshell. Goof.

The full blown Shawn Michaels. lol

Billy Jack was still wrestling in 95?? Yikes lol

@chadk890

3 жыл бұрын

He was more intimidating than the entire WWE and AEW roster could ever be

@chrischar9428

3 жыл бұрын

@@chadk890 anmoore nuts

@hezamachine

3 жыл бұрын

He was out of the business for nearly 4 years. Jerry Jarrett got him out of retirement. Jerry Jarrett was working as a consultant for WCW and told Billy Jack that he was going to be booker in WCW, and he was bringing him into WCW. That ended up not happening. I think he said that to bring him into USWA.

My gawd Ask Jim what time it is he'll tell ya how to build a watch

Jim needs make a movie or documentary on his life it would be huge. It could be in the same vain as Dewayne the Rock Young Rock tv program.

$225 from Merchandise?! Someone was ripping you off Jim.

Cornette must be a Horder Only a Horder would have memory as good as his

The “Heartbreak Kid” George Michaels.

The Hooters girls work cheap 😁

Lol 25 dollars back then was a steel even wwf was more for front row

To be honest I don’t have a problem with michaels having a problem with the amount of blood in the ring. Seriously this was in a time when AIDS was the most terrifying thing on earth, and frankly it’s not an unreasonable complaint.

@BusinessOfFear

3 жыл бұрын

Dude banged Sunny. He's riddled with who knows what.

@alexalexalex797

3 жыл бұрын

@@BusinessOfFear the difference being, banging prime time sunny might have been worth the risk 😂

You forgot PG13 vs Curtis Thompson & Jackie Fulton for the USWA tag straps

This was fascinating. I'd love to hear a lot more about the business of wrestling beyond the million dollar TV deals.

Honestly wish Corny would do more stories like this and less reviewing AEW

If Micheals was a true professional he would have done a job for Landel.

@djc4080

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah drop a title without the promotions permission would’ve been real “professional” of him.

@rolltide9547

2 жыл бұрын

@@djc4080 He could have gotten back the following Monday on raw. Flair did it.

@rolltide9547

2 жыл бұрын

@@djc4080 Micheals was unprofessional anyway. Refusing to work screw job finish.

@rolltide9547

2 жыл бұрын

@@ADITYASINGH-vc4gm English

@ADITYASINGH-vc4gm

2 жыл бұрын

@@rolltide9547 Welp, thought it was bret hart’s burner acc. Anyway, hbk didn’t refuse the screwjob finish at all. So i guess this is virgil?

EcW was closer to being mainstream then SMW ever was so you shouldn't be surprised EcW risked more money in the end

@tomr3422

3 жыл бұрын

It didnt risk ECW's money it risk the boys money, it destroyed a lot of guys finances, they lost houses and families. ECW didnt piss away its own money

SMW >AEW

You talk big shit about AEW but smoky mountain went outta business 🤣

Holy Shit I'm early?

Jim really doesn’t like Kevin Nash. I love Jim but I’m also a big fan of Kevin. I think Kevin and buddy would’ve had a good match. Kevin isn’t near as bad as Jim put him out there to be. I’m not saying Kevin is one of the greatest all time and Kevin has told or he’s not the greatest technical prowess. But if you put him with someone that knows how to have a good match like Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, and the undertaker, he had great matches with all of the skies it’s not like Nash was Sid. Yes Sid was over but he couldn’t have a good night. Nash prove did you give him a good dancer

It's stupid to push Marty over Sabu but whatever Corny

@Ted_Bell

3 жыл бұрын

Caption Hindsight reporting for duty

@bennylegend7556

3 жыл бұрын

Marty was a far superior wrestler to Sabu.

@travisheckel3788

3 жыл бұрын

It wasn’t about pushing Marty over Sabu, but rather what the fan base in the territory would want to see. Sabu wrestled here in the Memphis end for a couple of months in 91 and no one really cared

Very unnecessary burial up Kevin Nash before the five minute mark. Nash's baby face gimmick post title win made him a dull champion (roman reigns&john cena...&shawn michaels); but Nash was still over like crazy. If he came out badass tweener, which was always his over gimmick, then paired with a good to great worker he could have goof heavyweight matches. How people shit on nash's mobility yet adore Andre the Giant is the damnedest thing. If you go back to 1995, MATTER OF FACT, novemeber 95 Nash had the best match of his career dropping the title to Bret hart. Much better than his HBK matches (hbk was trying to bury him.). Nash always had good matches with bret. But thats for the tv audience. For the house shows? Nash was fantastic for house shows in 1995. He was much more of a worker in 1995 than the later days of WCW. Bruce Prichard and cornette have a hatred for kevin nash that culminates in these burials, like Nash was the lowest drawing champion and that nash couldnt work in the ring. Undertaker is a unique guy. Kane is there without the charisma. Most the big rasslin guys worked 7 to 8 minute matches. Hogan was another one. The thing that made big guys like taker, Hogan and andre (there are way more names obviously cant think of EVERYONE) so over was their presense mixed with the charisma they brought to the ring. Nash 100% had the charisma. The in ring work rate is meaningless when it comes to box office. If your undercard has work horses in every other match, fans want to see a short match with their champ hit their finish and 1,2,3. All the top guys of WWF attest to that. Vince wanted Bret and Shawn because his circle believed in the ric flair philosophy , but flair had the promos and charisma far more than anything he did in the ring. What was flair's style in the rjng? Sell sell sell sell chickenshit, heel, sell cheat, sell, cheat... Win. What did bret and shawn do? What did Hogan do? Same shit. They got people emotional selling. But good matches didnt mean box office. Which is why shawn and bret couldn't carry a company with an abysmal undercard. Nor could nash. The undercard in wwf 95 is the most overlooked element to WWF's post steroid hurdles. People rather bury Hart Michaels and Nash, instead of the abysmal booking and awful characters that made up that era wwf. They brought back warrior to crickets. Wcw brought in hogan to crickets. Your card can have 1/3 shit matches and 1/3 shit roster. But it cant be Mabel vs Nash maineventing a show with garbage men and hockey players leading them in

@moumatou1

3 жыл бұрын

Well good god damn!

@Ted_Bell

3 жыл бұрын

Lol a Nash fan. People respect Andre because he protected the business. Nash helped expose it and pulled lazy crap like not wanting to wrestle a match with Randy Savage at a house show because there weren't enough people in the crowd.

@Ted_Bell

3 жыл бұрын

@MemphoWrasslin1 watch one of their matches when Andre still had his wheels. It wasn't about the match quality or work rate. Meltzer hadn't programmed everyone to overanalyze in ring work. Andre was hurt, but he still had a lot of cache in the business. If he wanted to beat Hogan he would have, but he put Hogan over to help legitimize him as a main draw for more years to come. It was about the psychology. I get really sad everytime I see Andre take that body slam because I know he was hurting really badly there, but he did it for the business and Vince Mcmahon. Dude has my respect for life.

@daviddexter4945

3 жыл бұрын

While I, personally, was a fan of Nash and even his run as Diesel and even though he did have, in my opinion, good matches with Bret and other guys too, WWF ruined the Diesel character when they turned him into a cheesy babyface as what made him cool was the more serious bodyguard character. Nash was a big guy and I felt that most of the time his work in WWF was good, he seemed to try his best at least. When he went to WCW he seemed to get lazy and his matches were mostly boring - but even in WCW he was involved in some good matches to be fair, it just seemed like some nights he couldn't be bothered. When he seemed to care enough and if he was working with a friend or someone he respected he was a good big man in the ring definitely but on an average night, with someone he wasn't friends with, he was just a big man going through the motions and not especially trying to have a great match, just doing what needs to be done to get the match over with. I don't think Diesel was over too much during his babyface WWF World Championship run to be honest, I think he was most over when he was in the NWO in WCW.

@andrewisjesus

3 жыл бұрын

@@daviddexter4945 absolutely ruined him with the face run. Diesel was red hot in 96 prior to the WCW return because he was booked as the bad ass tweener that directly upon his departure, Austin was filled that role, and hall and nash were tweeners on WCW