What use to annoy the absolute worst is during a tag match is a guy would very slowly crawl across the ring on his belly like he's in the middle of a desert like he's seconds away from dying of heat exhaustion and dehydration just inches away from an oasis to tag his partner in only to be tagged back in less than a minute fighting like a squirrel on crack.

@lboskeezi5796

2 жыл бұрын

Squirrel on crack 😂😂😂

@mike04574

2 жыл бұрын

its fine

@eamonnmaccionnaith5761

2 жыл бұрын

Or the laughably slow cage climbs.

@gregcorricello8997

2 жыл бұрын

@@eamonnmaccionnaith5761 these only work after a long grueling/bloody war match

@ThisCharmingMan1984

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregcorricello8997 Or if it’s Jeff Hardy, and he’s off his fucking tits…

The worst cliche for me is the aerial assault onto a group who stands there waiting to catch you. This happens in literally every multi-person match and is just absolutely embarassing.

@thejkyle

2 ай бұрын

Take two steps to the right, dingus!

@Dino-god69

Ай бұрын

@@thejkylelove Samoa Joe’s walk away 😂

This list could be renamed "things in wrestling that modern promotions ruined."

@pepehawking8536

2 жыл бұрын

That's much more accurate

@michaelmarks1391

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to comment that I used to love all of these things, and there's a reason a rabid fan like I used to be was completely put off wrestling twenty years ago. But this comment pretty much sums it up.

@frankiesosa2217

2 жыл бұрын

No lies detected!!😂😂

@kennethbrown2358

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@death-by-ego

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny how Jim was ready to crap all over this and the guy writing it but then basically agreed with the vast majority of the list. He does keep bring up how this guy isn't old enough to have seen it done right. But this isnt a list of "bad things" in wrestling, it's a list of "cliches" in wrestling. Doesn't matter that they used to be done right. It about them being done to death over the last 20 plus years

Distractions: Wrestling logic is that ALL wrestlers are as easily distracted by anything as a cat is with a laser pointer.

@Riccardo-kw5dc

2 жыл бұрын

WWE logic*

@suchiuomizu

2 жыл бұрын

So if laser pointers come back, we can use them to make wrestlers dance around the ring?

"THE MOST DEVASTATING MOVE IN ALL OF SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT: THE SURPRISE ROLL UP" - Simon Miller

@generalgk

2 жыл бұрын

Almost every single womens match in WWE. it's so annoying.

@VladamireD

2 жыл бұрын

@@generalgk and like half the men's.

@Harry-sc1xk

2 жыл бұрын

Horrendously overdone. Needs a long hiatus before coming back.

@nickhughes8179

2 жыл бұрын

It needs to go period

@bury_the_elite65294

Жыл бұрын

Especially if it involves grabbing the opponent's tights - which, invariably, the ref doesn't see. I f__king hate that shit!!! X-P

The Spanish announce table should be introduced in the Hall of fame for helping breaking and making careers !

@fuscinula

2 жыл бұрын

That table has put more wrestlers over than Mil Mascaras.

@LCFC81

2 жыл бұрын

@@fuscinula more than 0 then.

@matthewjenkins7488

2 жыл бұрын

I loved when the Spanish announcers would fall in slow motion after the table broke. Great times.

@nathanmartin24

2 жыл бұрын

Triple h has buried it since his injury though

@dnandez79

2 жыл бұрын

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

Having Bret be a heel in America and a face everywhere else was a great idea.

@neilonions7798

2 жыл бұрын

The epitome of long term storytelling

@smarkslowplay3512

2 жыл бұрын

@@neilonions7798 yup, fantastic stuff, and executed perfectly. Bret getting more and more bitter and heelish, blaming the badguy-loving crowds in the US (north and northeast mostly) and aligning with his family/relatives to combat his arch nemesises Austin and Michaels...great shit

@Lord_Bibulous

2 жыл бұрын

It only worked because Bret was so popular worldwide. That whole thing was way too short.

@memorydrain7806

2 жыл бұрын

and Bret Hart went Heel in the USA by way of sharing Canadian left-wing political ideologies. Which, looking back makes it even better. Ballsy. lol. All the work put in from Steve Austin on was good shit. Holds up well.

@BeeBumper

2 жыл бұрын

It was no ones idea, it happened organically

Number 1 most frustrating cliche for me. The blind babyface tag and the ref intervenes. Yet, the heel blind tag working every time. The ref would look and see new heel in the ring and just go, "oh, they must have tagged." Yet, babyface does it, "hey! I didn't see it! Get back to your corner rulebreaker!!!"

Say what you want about foreign heels, but Rusev when he first debuted was as over as a heel can get. He actually got the crowd hot for a jack swagger match

@dkupke

2 жыл бұрын

He and his wife both played it to perfection

@darrengordon-hill

2 жыл бұрын

Who needs xenophobes with so many oikaphobes about? But "Iron Shiek vs Megan Rapinoe" is a match I'd pay to see"

@4zafinc

2 жыл бұрын

Dint happen from the get go. It reached crescendo during the Swagger feud. But he went over several opponents before him, and thosw often drew lukewarm reactions. He also got no reaction when he was doing it in NXT and Full Sail cheered for almost everyone. How he eventually managed to go over with that gimmick all of a sudden is an interesting topic to look into

@Seriona1

2 жыл бұрын

@@4zafinc It's because NXT and WWE have different fan cultures to the point that he who watches one, doesn't really watch the other. Look at most of the big stars in NXT who got buried in WWE. But sometimes, it works backwards where someone hated in NXT can get over in WWE.

@rustedthunder6488

2 жыл бұрын

A good example is Elias.

Jim is so spot on here... Its not that the cliches are bad for wrestling... its just that the people who have been booking wrestling for the past 25 years don't understand why shit works, or how to make it work.

@KingJohnMichael

Жыл бұрын

And overdone

One thing I hate: a match between Wrestler A and Wrestler B happens. Wrestler A wins and they play his music. Then all of a sudden Wrestler C comes out of nowhere, beats the piss out of Wrestler A, and then they play Wrestler C's music.

@irieite9666

2 жыл бұрын

And wrestler C is making a shock return after 2 years lol

@sparknazo

Жыл бұрын

Or wrestler B attacks him afterwards and they play his music like he won the match lol

@CarbonGod666

Жыл бұрын

@@sparknazo ok

@rawheadwrecks1519

2 ай бұрын

Hahha, yeah. Whoever "wins" the segment, his music plays afterward.

I'm amazed wrestlers grouping up outside the ring while one guy takes five minutes to climb the rope and jump on them, missing half but making ten people fall down anyway isn't on this list

@TheMagnificentMongoSlade

2 жыл бұрын

Because an indie mark made the list.

@giacomogotta2253

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that'd be the alternative JC was about to talk about

@almightycinder

2 жыл бұрын

The Luchadores in WCW were really good at this. As an example, La Parka would be thrown outside the ring, and as he slowly stands up, Ultimo Dragon is already running inside the ring and, right as La Parka gets to his feet, Ultimo would jump over the top rope to attack him. Then, as they both slowly get to their feet, Psicosis would jump over the top rope onto both of them. They had the timing down incredibly well. They would just barely be on their feet by the time the next one jumps over. It was never obvious that they were standing there ready to catch them.

@nickhughes8179

2 жыл бұрын

@@almightycinder Disco Inferno had a signal he'd give indicating he's ready to catch a dive. He'd get thrown out, stagger past the ring post, and slap the ring post to signal his opponent to run and dive as he'd stagger into place to catch them. Basically using selling and a signal.

@chrisingram8233

Жыл бұрын

If Jim made his own list it would undoubtedly be on it somewhere.

Babyfaces suddenly becoming weaklings or cowards, once they turn heel, always bothered me. It's the same wrestler, same abilities. Why is he or she suddenly weak? Speaking of which, the surprise rollup/schoolboy pin for the 3 count, people that can take 3 finishing moves and kick out, in the ring, but a forearm to the back wipes them out, backstage, and probably the thing that annoyed me, as a cynical child, and later, as an adult, the invincible, all-powerful babyface, who, despite lack of logic or staging, can kill almost half the roster, in one night, alone, with his bare hands, thus eliminating any potential drama, even in a big match. Guy can take 5,6,7 + finishers, some on the outside, a beatdown from the heel faction, and chairs to the face....kickout at 2, insta heal, comeback, ONE finisher, wins the match. All that is still better than current wrestling, but it's fun to discuss tropes and cliches and how they bugged us.

@imneveruploadinghere7180

2 жыл бұрын

Ryback went through all the jobbers and mid carders when he was a face. Turned heel and suddenyl can't beat Ziggler. Its so fucking stupid

@zlinedavid

2 жыл бұрын

Finishers need to go back to being protected. It was a monumental event when Goldberg kicked out of the Diamond Cutter at Halloween Havoc or when Rock kicked out of the Stunner at WM15. And if it takes 15 of them to pin a guy….it’s not a goddamn finisher! It’s just an excuse for Michael Cole to blow his verbal wad for the 47th time that episode.

@p.d.l7023

2 жыл бұрын

Chairs at least make sense because they are just there in an arm's reach.

@p.d.l7023

2 жыл бұрын

@@imneveruploadinghere7180 I hear ya. Best example was Gary Young in Mid-South: Lost like a hundred matches in a row. One week he has a valet, music, blonde hair and he's Gorgeous Gary Young now. Beats the jobber easily.

@jimwhitt

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I always hated the wrestler suddenly losing all ability upon a heel turn

I always liked the Boogeyman gimmick. Fear, shock, and committed wrestling helps fan's stay away from the ring. A smart mark isn't gonna jump a guy who likes eating worms.

@kevindouglas5333

2 жыл бұрын

A smart mark knew they weren't worms

Best quote of this commentary was, "They used to do it right, but now they don't do it anymore, because nobody is interesting!" And that's truly where there is something "larger than life" missing from professional wrestling

That was a pretty good article. I liked Jim’s comparison to the heel sports teams.

@MrManfly

2 жыл бұрын

#8 was hilarious !!!

@subterraneanretrogames556

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrManfly A ref bump that leads to a “short coma” had me laughing lol

@jeffmac9642

2 жыл бұрын

What is a heel sports team ?

@subterraneanretrogames556

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffmac9642 Any team who isn’t the team you root for.

@brainspin7518

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffmac9642 Dynasty teams that everyone is tired of seeing win. Every decade seem to have THAT team in most sports. i.e, 60s Packers, 70s Steelers (Cowboys too in this decade), 80s 49ers, 90s cowboys (again), & the last but not least great dynasty in football the Pats/Tom brady.

Something that bothers me is seeing 20 year veterans of the ring falling for reversals or tricks that are obvious to even the fans.

Current era clichés I hate. 1. The pass out/middle finger in a submission. Just tap the fuck out It protects nobody 2. Lights go out scary character appears 3.Roll up finishes 4. "please welcome my guest at this time" 5. The "Can these 2 rivals coexist in a tag team" storyline. 6. First Promo after a heel Turn - "I don't owe you pepole any explanation". 7.Over use of the Kicking out of finishes 8.Heels are only friends with other heels and vice versa

they forget 1 thing when a wrestler positions itself for the next move instead of getting its body dragged towards the set-up spot

That's what I like in MLW currently about cameras. They always acknowledge their existence, only exception is Cesar Duran's angles (Dario Cueto), but it's then shot like a movie to make you understand the camera is more of a narrator than an actual guy being in the room.

@zomb60

2 жыл бұрын

Yea i saw jacob fatu confrront a camera man that was "hiding" one time that was cool

@despicablemonster

2 жыл бұрын

I just got into watching mlw a few months ago I've obviously heard about the promotion but never watched but it's easily better than aew it's amazing the whole contra gimmick is the best thing I've seen in years since nwo first started...

@zomb60

2 жыл бұрын

@@despicablemonster the way they present they're top acts is way better than the way AEW presents theirs. Hangman is a wimpy cowboy while Hammerstone comes off as a legit champion. But MLW's sports entertainment aspects are kinda cringe.

@greyjedi6430

2 жыл бұрын

@@zomb60 don't know enough on the topic to argue with you . I'll do my research and get back to u , something tells me. You are wrong 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@markmccluskey4594

2 жыл бұрын

The hammer fatu match is on KZread and how fatu hasn't made the big time is beyond me. He's like a high flying umaga.

I've always kayfabed myself on strange objects under a ring by thinking a wrestler has hid it there beforehand. That actually makes sense, as long as it's something that could really do serious damage and help you win, like a sledgehammer, a baseball bat or some hard shit with barbed wire on it. I mean if you could hide anything you wanted, you probably wouldn't want a kendo stick or a tinfoil trashcan in there.

@americasevilgenius

2 жыл бұрын

Chairs and tables under the ring make complete sense--after all, there are chairs set up for the spectators to sit in, so you you had a couple under the ring in case more chairs were needed in the audience, it would make sense that putting the under the ring might be a thing the promotion would do. Same thing with a table under the ring--it's there in case more press shows up to cover the matches than was anticipated.

@timrussell3913

2 жыл бұрын

Whatever the object is, it's always behind the promotion logo apron

@madbrowniac7871

2 жыл бұрын

I now honestly wonder why ECW would have Cookie Sheets involved. Other than that they don't exactly tickle when someone is walloped by one!😂🎤🍪🤼‍♂️B.W.

@dankelly5150

Жыл бұрын

@@madbrowniac7871 or cheese graders!! 🤮🤣

@madbrowniac7871

Жыл бұрын

The Alltime Winner, as Jethro Tull's Jon Anderson once sang, has to be the time in ECW when Tommy Dreamer and Raven involved themselves with an object that would be darn difficult to hide under the ring. One IIRC attacked the other with the Machine that dispenses Newspapers!😂🤣😂😮🎤📰🤼‍♂️B.W.

One that always bothers me is when wrestlers, usually at the start of the match, will do a series of chain wrestling spots that end in a stand off and they stand across the ring from each other and the crowd applauds. There's nothing wrong with the spot, it's actually a really good one when done right, but every time the wrestlers botch it they still do the stand-across-from-each-other-and-wait-for-the-applause thing, and it ALWAYS looks atrocious.

Hugo Savinovich and Carlos Cabrera always did an amazing job commentating matches. They always sold how dangerous is the environment in a wrestling match every time a table spot happened to them (and that time Hogan chairshoted Hugo lol).

@Forever_Thatter

2 жыл бұрын

Even scarier when the Rock stole Hugo's headset at Backlash '99 and told him to shut his candy ass up when Hugo started protesting.

@gumdeo

2 жыл бұрын

Savinovich is a legend.

@Paugose

2 жыл бұрын

In TripleMania XXVIII (2020 edition), Chessman, basically the top Rudo at the time, smashed Hugo's head with a guitar. That was a violent shot.

No. 3 reminded me of the time The Big Show pulled out a Wile E. Coyote sized chair from under the ring and clonked Sheamus on the back for the win.

When Punk gets serious during his promos he will stare directly into the camera. It pulls you in and he's got you. Or when he acknowledges the crowd he will look directly at people in the crowd. It takes even an average promo and bumps it up.

@bigtombowski

2 жыл бұрын

He *made* the Nexus

@zlinedavid

2 жыл бұрын

That’s because Punk knows what he’s doing, and was taught in someplace other than the Performance Center.

@eiephants

2 жыл бұрын

On the other hand the rest of the aew roster looks into the camera way too much. I'm not talking about promos where it's fitting, but during matches they pose and look directly at the camera.

@NorthGeorgiaAudit

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah breaking the 4th** wall all the time started last year during Covid I think. It works well when you have 1 guy like Punk that does it at the right time.

@yoholmes273

2 жыл бұрын

Punk has to do something. Gotta hand it to the dweeb, he totally marks out for himself.

I think that if a ref is gonna play dead, they should get hit with at least something more than a punch, unless it’s Brock Lesnar throwing it or something. Like, if you got hit with a damn Van Daminator with a chair, then okay I can believe that. Perhaps you’re hit by a finisher like the Sweet Chin Music, then it makes sense. But I don’t want to see a referee get slapped by a small guy and act like they just got molly whopped by Big Show lol.

@-BigMike-

2 жыл бұрын

Hell AEW have a ref that might as well be knocked out all match, cause he doesn't referee shit.

@tonyjackson4078

2 жыл бұрын

I love when a guy LITERALLY bumps into a ref and the zebra sells it like death.

@BiggieTrismegistus

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyjackson4078 I was going to say the same thing. A guy brushes a ref's shoulder and the ref is down for a half hour. It's so silly.

@c_5nco

2 жыл бұрын

what if they got molly whopped by mighty molly?

The thing that always made me laugh was those flimsy cookie baking trays. Why would they be near a wrestling ring?

Yes! Thank you Jim. I hate the match sequence in which all of a sudden one guy hits their big move or finisher and then that guy gets hit with the next guy’s finisher and repeat until everyone is down. While it still pops the crowd (because everyone is conditioned to expect that), it’s such a tired cliche.

@fuscinula

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Once every 10 years is amazing, 10 times a year is boring and tiresome.

On big men entering a battle royal, the funniest one I ever saw was when John Nord ran down the aisle, climbed over the ropes, ran to give a kick, his foot went over the top rope and he ran out of the ring. I don't think he was in the match for even 30 seconds and he eliminated himself. Greg Valentine once refused to do some trick because "I want everything I do to look like a real fight." It's a good standard to stick to

@darensparks

2 жыл бұрын

HUSS! HUSS!

@theecharmingbilly

2 жыл бұрын

King Kong Bundy's last TV appearance (for WWF anyways) was on an October 95 Raw in 20 man battle royal that Owen Hart won. KKB lasted like 15 seconds before he was dumped by Kama and Duke the Dumpster. He smacked the apron and then swiftly walked to the back like he couldn't care less hahaha.

@BiggieTrismegistus

2 жыл бұрын

Or Bushwhacker Luke in the 91 Royal Rumble. He came down the aisle doing the Bushwhacker walk and climbed into the ring. Earthquake grabbed him from behind and (Bushwhacker) walked him straight across the ring. Earthquake then pitched Luke over the ropes. He landed on his feet and Bushwhacker walked back down the aisle. The only time he broke stride was when he had to go over the ropes. It was hilarious.

@morganspector5161

2 жыл бұрын

@@BiggieTrismegistus The Bushwhackers were a great comedy team. But before that they were the Sheepherders and a force to be reckoned with.

@BiggieTrismegistus

2 жыл бұрын

@@morganspector5161 I was pretty young when they came to the WWF and had no idea of their prior history. Thus, I only knew them as a goofy comedic (and VERY over) act. I was surprised when I learned what they were like before they got there.

Good point about CM Punk and MJF essentially being a foreign manace storyline.

I think lucha Underground dealt with the vignette spots incredibly.

@BiggieTrismegistus

2 жыл бұрын

I think Lucha Underground did _a lot_ of things incredibly. I know the show and the style of wrestling on it wasn't everyone's cup of tea but I loved it. It was really interesting to see a wrestling program's concept not be based around the idea that it's a legitimate sports league and is instead an underground fight club. With dragons, ancient astronauts, an arm-breaking ninja skeleton, a cage monster, and the personification of death.

@commissarjb

2 жыл бұрын

@@BiggieTrismegistus it was like watching a Mortal Kombat promotion and that worked for me.

I love how he just randomly goes off on Kevin Dunn every so often

@Ken9284

2 жыл бұрын

I miss the Russo rants

My favorite laugh moment was the flying drop kick. If it connected, the guy popped right up and continued the attack. If it missed, then the guy is curled up in agony. Love it!

In terms of the foreign heel, I always felt horrible for that Muhammad Hassan guy in WWE in the earlier 2000s that got removed because of the London kidnapping the same night he had "terrorists" attack the Undertaker. He was doing great, just bad timing.

@parsath_2584

2 жыл бұрын

It was always gonna go to shit when Vince got involved. It started as a guy who was calling everyone racist because of legitimate anti Muslim sentiment at the time. And then Vince turned him into a terrorist.

@toddpace4588

2 жыл бұрын

Mid 2000s but yeah.

@toddpace4588

2 жыл бұрын

@@parsath_2584 Its Vince's company. He's always been involved.

@nestorvelasquez9633

2 жыл бұрын

The big problem with him was that he wasn't popular backstage. I remember hearing stories about how some wrestlers, including the Undertaker, didn't like him.

@fmdof

2 жыл бұрын

Sad part is is they filmed that 2 days sooner and still aired it.

This is a good list. If they can't do it right, they need to stop doing it. I know what Jim is saying about doing things right, but it just doesn't happen anymore. The sequential big moves is literally any Young Bucks match. Last night, it was Trent who ended up on top after all of the big moves were spent.

A few modern cliches I could do without are (1) the lack of rule enforcement in tag matches. It's like every modern tag match is pretty much an ECW-rules match at this point including sloppy tags. (2) Playing music when a run in is happening and I get why, but I could do without it. (3) The 'lights out', guy(s) shows up. It's already tired. (4) Spamming Dives. (5) Leg Slapping. That's just a few, I"m sure I could put together 20 things.

@chrismemphis8062

2 жыл бұрын

like traveling in the NBA

@lyricsanonymous9036

2 жыл бұрын

@@booknerd869 I was never a fan of smaller guys doing powerbombs, always felt that was fir guys like Sid, Diesel, Vader, ect...

@lyricsanonymous9036

2 жыл бұрын

I was watching a tag match from 2001 the other day, it was no DQ...yet Taker kept waiting on the outside for Kane to tag him, it was the strangest thing

@BrutishYetDelightful

2 жыл бұрын

@@lyricsanonymous9036 If you can find it, check out the short piledriver Warren Bockwinkel used to do back in the day. He would put the guy's head between his legs like for the piledriver everyone's used to, but then he would lean across the guy, grab the waistband of his trunks, and just sit sharply down. Bock wasn't any kind of giant, but that move looked devastating anyway.

@BrutishYetDelightful

2 жыл бұрын

I hate music on a run-in. Almost as bad as I hate setting up tables to crash through. And yeah, bring back the tag rope and enforce the shit out of it.

Every year before the Royal Rumble on RAW or Smackdown, 30 dudes randomly run into the ring and start beating the shit out of each other with the announcer saying “Is this what it’s going to be like at the Royal Rumble?!” There was like a 6 year period where they did that every year.

They need to have more bobby Heenan style types of managers come to the ring with the wrestler's

Contract signings are great. That is how I got my job. I saw a guy getting ready to sign a contract so I hit him with a chair and signed it in his place, boom now I am a full time employee!

In summary: it’s not the spot, it’s how and how often it’s used.

This looks like Baron von Raschke mixed with Superstar Billy Graham Karate Gimmick

Ladder matches and table matches need to be put away for a while. It is increasingly more ridiculous the way someone sets stuff up in a contrived manner, only to go through the table they have just set up.

@Ramekink

2 жыл бұрын

Its how indie darlings get off. You cant take it away from them

@atrainn

2 жыл бұрын

Basic rule, whoever sets up a table, goes through it first

@Ramekink

2 жыл бұрын

@@atrainn like farts

Under the ring: kendo stick, stop sign, trash can, dump that Mr. Perfect took. 💩

@backcrackingvideosamigo765

2 жыл бұрын

What dump? 🤣 gonna Google I guess.

I vividly remember when Mean Gene did interviews, every once and a while, the wrestler did not look at him or the camera but instead over his shoulder. If it lasted long enough, Gene would almost do a double take and glance behind himself almost to say "yo... Look at me or the camera. You look like an idiot doing what you are doing."

@bury_the_elite65294

Жыл бұрын

I remember in the 1980s Hogan used to mostly look down the camera a lot when he was talking to Mean Gene, then he'd turn back to Gene for a few seconds, and back & forth. Ditto for Warrior, Macho Man, The Bushwhackers, etc. - nearly every superstar from back then used to switch back & forth between looking at MGO & looking at the camera.

19:36 as much as I love AEW this one of the few things I agree with jim on 100 percent, that and that stupid spot where everyone stands around waiting for one guy to jump on everybody so they can all fall over together

It's facinating that according to Jim "nobody cared what the Spanish team were saying" while us growing up in the Caribbean and south America had an immense amount of respect and love for those guys

@stinkypinkeee5085

2 жыл бұрын

I think he was referring to nobody in WWF...I could be wrong, though...

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

@@stinkypinkeee5085 This.

Really enjoy Cornette's rants - 50% industry insight, 50% old man yells at cloud.

Every time that I saw a kitchen sink and pluming pipes coming out of the ring I became dumb struck. Now I know I was not the only one.

I got 1 for the fans, to stop chanting this is awesome over every crappy move,

@imneveruploadinghere7180

2 жыл бұрын

What's worse is when the crowd chanted "We are awesome" back when NXT was in Full Sail. What a bunch of idiots

@zlinedavid

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got one for the fans: stop wanting to chant as much period. Organized chants didn’t happen all that often before. Sure, you’d hear the crowd repeat catch phrases, but it didn’t last for that long.

I was born in 1986. I remember watching the raw and nitros from the late 90's. I asked my dad one time, "do the guys who work on the road store all of their shit under the ring?" I was legitimately confused haha. Dad just laughed. He understood it was a work

6 = That was wrestling's fucking bread and butter for several decades! Those foreign heels were some of my favorite wrestlers.

@darrengordon-hill

2 жыл бұрын

Noow Americans hate America... So fighting your family/friends is all the rage but don't you DARE dislike "Johnny Foreigner".

Dr. Mindbender? My god, he was the foreign heel of GI Joe!

@tobiasfarragut292

2 жыл бұрын

Who was your fave cobra member?…mine was Destro..he’d tell Commander what was going on and CC would totally go against it in bullheaded fashion and Mah man would just be like “fugginnidiot” 🤦🏽‍♂️

@shooter7734

2 жыл бұрын

@@tobiasfarragut292 the Commanddr himself on the old Sunbow cartoon He always had the most entertaining dialogue LOL Being voiced by Chris "Latta" Collins, a stand up comic by trade, I always wondered if he ever tweaked/ad libbed his own dialogue with material from his stand up routine being they didn't actually have to animate his dialogue as he was wearing a mask all the time

@dkupke

2 жыл бұрын

@@shooter7734 the writers for the cartoon have said they truly found CC’s personality when they stopped trying to make him a menacing villain and started modeling him after Yosemite Sam

backstage wrestler watching TV standing with his head cranked 180 degrees instead of just watching it normally

Jim so upset that he doesn’t realize he agrees with the writer until the 6th cliche. Lol. The writer can’t sell the headline 9 things wrestling use to do well but are done horrible now.

Pretty good list, I totally agree with the invisible camera. I hate that so much.

i dont get ref bumps. You have cameras a multiple people at ringside. The good damn timekeeper could tell the ref "yeah, he used a chair"

So true about the battle royal😂. Omos should win but he will eliminate 5 or 6 guys and then everyone will gang up and throw him out of the ring😂.

@VladamireD

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, that at least makes sense. If you were in the ring trying to win a contest with a bunch of other guys and a big dude like Omos, you telling me you wouldn't try to get the other guys to team up at least long enough to get the giant who could eliminate any of you singularly?

Beyond burnt out on politics. Went back to one of my childhood loves -- wrestling. Then I discovered shoot interviews. Then I discovered this guy. Mr. Cornette has saved me from the endless psychotic merry go round of modern politics and social media. Thank you. Being a southerner myself, I find his style of storytelling to be quite familiar and endearing, not to mention entertaining, and his knowledge is truly remarkable.

@sstrykert

Жыл бұрын

You've missed Cornette at his most ignorant then. Give it time

I mostly agree about contract signings. Even as a kid I knew this was predetermined and they were already under contract to perform. It makes sense if you’re bringing in a new/returning superstar who you can at least claim is somewhat a “free agent”, or if the match they’re signing for is a new or particularly dangerous match or stipulation like retirement that “isn’t covered” by standard contracts. Otherwise it’s just a waste of time and a stale, obvious table spot.

@darensparks

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@FirstLast-yh7gj

2 жыл бұрын

I like them when done right like the Andre and Hogan contract signing for example

@codewordafl5850

2 жыл бұрын

Batista and Triple H had a good one

A fart was enough to knock Earl Hebner out for ten minutes and Corny looks like a heel version of the Monopoly man.

NewJack and others came with a Shopping Cart of weapons! That made sense!

@donguapisimo4222

2 жыл бұрын

A computer keyboard, kitchen ware, a guitar, flimsy trash can lid. I loved every second of it.

One of the worst things ever was when Ricochet was about to grab the money in the bank suitcase and just froze for about a minute, while Brock Lesnar music played. Ha.

@jay_1212

2 жыл бұрын

It’s wwe logic that influenced the current generation we have now. I always hated that, just grab the goddamn case. Or when you have a group of heels beating up a baby face and they stop when they hear music. why are you stopping? You can easily hit him before he gets to the ring

@lzi9452

2 жыл бұрын

That was the funniest thing ever, he was literally just sitting there waiting for him lol

@yayaman5718

5 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure that was Mustafa Ali

@Am0ment0fB

5 ай бұрын

@@yayaman5718 oh yeah. These indie wrestlers all look alike. Ha.

In aew it's the kick out at 2 after a move that would normally put someone out for months. In wwe the fact that Champions getting pinned every week but not losing their belts are my top ones

@BiggieTrismegistus

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ do I hate WWE champs eating pin after pin after pin in non-title matches. And the related "defeat the champ in a non-title match to become the number one contender". *Why in the hell would bookers do that?* We're watching the match you're building towards!

One cliche that always bothered me was how law enforcement would be utilized in storylines and angles. Heels could do so many dastardly things such as kidnapping, forced imprisonment and even attempted murder, only for them to get a slap on the wrist. But if babyfaces so much as violated a restraining order or accidently knock down a backstage worker, they're hauled off to jail. It's like letting off a guy who robbed a bank or set someone's house on fire while arresting someone for accidentally littering or jaywalking. I know something like that is supposed to build heat for the heels and sympathy for the babyfaces, but what logical sense does that make? Another cliche that bothers me is whenever a heel is a special guest referee. If the babyface knows anything about wrestling, he should know damn well that the heel ref is going to try and screw him over. He should know that the heel ref is not going to count any pinfall attempt or will get in his path when he tries to do a certain maneuver. Yet they complain and wonder why this is happening. It's very hard to get behind a dumb babyface.

This is the exact kinda topic I’ve wanted Cornette to cover

Jim looks like Von kaiser from punch out lol or Soda popinski

@MrSpeed-lt8gr

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he does!!!! 🤣😂💀

There's a generation of wrestling fans that think the rings come with tables ladders chairs trash cans & a sledgehammer under them

one cliche i hate is when a tagteam who have clearly been around for a while and know each other inside and out have one loss or one bad chairshot and despite being freinds for years and if this happened for real most people would assume it was accidental or try to start apoligizing but instead take it personally and beat each other up over a misunderstandiing.

@cherokeeoutlaw2.011

9 ай бұрын

But that's how life really is. One little thing can ruin a long relationship. Happens

I would like to see a today's version of a young Freddie Blassie.

@tobiasfarragut292

2 жыл бұрын

He’d be nothing more than a Pencil Necked Geek…..😒

My number one thing is the Indy bullshit going on nowadays, a bunch of skinny dudes that look like they work at 7 eleven with no charisma just doing a bunch flips, high spots, no selling, and 20 false finishes every match

I miss the whole “hiding the foreign object”. Slaughter was the master of that thing.

I was a casual fan in the 80s and 90s.. man i love listening to Cornette.

I can agree with most of this list based on the situation but, you’ve gone too far with the spanish announce table! That must stay! 🤣

Anything with The Ref needs to go! What drives me nuts now,they do this for a ludicrous amount of time in AEW. Someone jumping up on the apron to distract a referee. 3 Seconds at most. Just enough time to stop the ref from seeing a low blow or whatever. One time Luke Gallows was distracting a referee in AEW. I timed it out of curiosity,90 seconds. He was up on the apron as long as some Mike Tyson fights back in the day. Ridiculous. Also distractions. People jumping into the ring and the match not ending. "He Didn't Make Contact With Anyone" NO The second that guy steps foot in the ring the match ends,disqualification.

The Travis Heckel caricature looks like Baron Von Raschke as Charlie Brown. The World famous one by Charles M. Schulz not the guy that Jimmy Valiant impersonated.🤔😂🎤⚾️🤼‍♂️B.W.

the only contract signing i remember being of any interest was batista turning on HHH. that was awesome.

The Spanish announce team telling the Aristocrats joke! Tears in my eyes!

Yay Jimmy!!! Lawton/Ft. Sill,OK. gets a mention!!! Bless You, Corny... USA FA appreciates you.

I remember when I was a kid In Venezuela Whenever I could Catch WWF at 5 AM on Saturdays Hugo and Carlos not only were not announcing the match in Spanish but also "Tried" to Translated the Promos on the spot, They missed A lot of stuff, they could barely catch up of what they were saying, and then tried to filled in the backstory why the 2 wrestlers didn't like each other during the entrances

@BiggieTrismegistus

2 жыл бұрын

That's cool to know. I always wondered how they dealt with the promos on the foreign language broadcasts.

@c_5nco

2 жыл бұрын

I lived between Puerto Rico & New York City for most of childhood and teenaged years. I'm in my late 20s now and have settled in New York. But I can never forget Hugo and Carlos. They are forever imbedded in my heart. I, at some point, ofc didn't need the translation but I still enjoyed listening to them. They hardly missed a beat and when they did, they caught up to it later. They were so enthusiastic while still selling and really made it as exciting as good ol JR & Jerry Lawler did while sometimes being part of the action and taking bumps like champs. Untold heroes haha

@BiggieTrismegistus

2 жыл бұрын

@@c_5nco Unfortunately the WWE released Carlos Cabrera a couple of weeks ago. I'm a native English speaker and don't speak Spanish so I never listened to him and Hugo, but I'm going to miss just seeing him at the Spanish announce table. When Carlos y Hugo were there at that second table it meant I was watching a big, important show.

Number 4 - When Jim says, when the music plays and the babyface comes to make the save. The heel stands there in shock when he could still kick the shit out of the guy in the ring. I thought that this week with Roman Reigns and Heyman! He had the chair... All he had to do in reality was smash his head in. An still could of turned to face Lesnar.

@Harry-sc1xk

2 жыл бұрын

Sports Entertainment, pal!

As a spanish speaking person, Hugo savinovich and Carlos Cabrera were my Lawler and JR

imo Add: Wrestlers who pose after every successful move...playing theme songs during run-ins...

@eiephants

2 жыл бұрын

The taunts and poses are so robotic. You can tell they hammer this into them at the performance center.

Climbing the turnbuckle and doing the 10 punches.

Contract signings nowadays are as frequent as cage matches. The cage match used to be a big deal.

The problem, as Jim Cornette points out, isn’t with these cliches being done, it’s with them being overdone. And that’s the problem with the modern wrestling business in general. The DDT and the Superkick used to be finishers. Putting someone through a table was reserved for heated feuds and the victim would sell the injury for weeks, not mere seconds. They’ve done everything that seemed believable to death, and now all that’s left to top them are things that can only be done by performers clearly working together.

These wrestling cliches, became cliches in the first place because, they worked... But, now that everything has been over done, it's not effective. The law of diminishing returns...

A few clichés I can think of that need to go are -The Hulk Hogan baby face format in its entirety. -Watching a television monitor over your shoulder while pouting. A.k.a, watching TV RAW style. -The surprise roll up. Overdone to the point that it isn't a surprise and the 67 finishers beforehand telegraphs it. -The athletic big man who either gets told to work like a giant and works slow and flat footed (Hogan politics to The Giant about working like a giant), or the athletic big man who works like Luchasaurus and it comes off sloppily. -Goof gimmicks that completely destroy suspension of belief like Pockets, Jimmy Havoc, Sonny Kiss and Marko Stunt -Ridiculous weapons like invisible hand grenades, pizza cutters, stop signs, baking trays, swords, dildos, and sledgehammers. These don't belong under any ring once rational thinking takes hold. -Oversaturated factions, and factions who overstay their welcome. See any of the 592,604 iterations of the NWO Russo and Bischoff booked in WCW and TNA. Factions don't need 17 midcard guys to be stooges for 1 chicken heel, nor do they need to last 5 years. It's why the Shield and The New Day kept to 3 guys. -The Young Bucks acting like tough guys. I'm 206lbs and probably outweigh them combined. They're also 5'8 and look like balding bearded 5th graders. If you don't look intimidating, don't act like Stone Cold Steve Austin or the Undertaker, because you'll be mocked for it. -The arguments over small guys in wrestling. As long as you look like an adult athlete, you can get away with being undersized (Brian Danielson). If you're a 5'4 105lb wire, you learn to cut promos (unless you can already talk), and you can always be a manager or mascot. If you have a unique look and believable offense, you can use that to compensate for being small like Darby Allin or Kevin Sullivan. Vince McMahon always trying to book poop related angles.

The last ref bump I remember seeing was at Crown Jewel with Reigns and Lesnar. Lesnar picked up the ref by his pants and dropped him to the floor, after he got knocked out from an F-5. That's why that feud us still going. Remember when Heyman tossed the Universal belt right between the two guys?

@backcrackingvideosamigo765

2 жыл бұрын

Royal Rumble 22?

Contract signings are a waste of TV time now.

Sting and Roddy piper signing contracts against Hollywood Hogan was great theater because of everything involved and leading up to it.

the problem with Foreign Heels is that as a Global Product no one is properly "Foreign"

Here's one: 250lb. dude jumps out of the ring onto 6 guys of the same size and all six fall like bowling pins.

@resellertools276

2 жыл бұрын

You dont even have to be 250 lbs.! It can be Finn Balor jumping on top of 3 guys , each bigger than him, and "Timberrrrrr".

@nickhughes8179

2 жыл бұрын

Or AEW where 135lb pockets bowls over multiple guys the size of Billy Gunn, Wardlow, Jake Hager, and Lance Archer. All guys north of 250lbs.

Sorry Jim but you’re wrong. I’m from Oklahoma and we’ll absolutely meet the Texans south of Lawton at the red river to fight lol

One thing I can't stand is the long, drawn-out and inconsistent counting by the ref when the wrestlers are outside the ring. I was watching AEW when two guys were fighting outside (imagine that). After over a minute of this, I was wondering why no one was counted out. Finally, they showed a shot of the wrestlers with ref Paul Turner in the ring saying, "siiiiiiiixxxx". New Japan does this correctly. They initiate a 20-count and it's done by the PA announcer for the crowd to hear, and it's consistent with "1-2-3..." Once he gets to fifteen, his voice gets louder and goes up an octave to build drama, but the cadence is the same. My favorite finish was in 2019 during the Bad Luck Fale/Zack Sabre Jr G1 match. In the G1, a loss is a loss and a count out means as much as a pinfall victory. Fale was pounding on Sabre while the count was going on until Sabre locked on a submission. Realizing the count, Sabre released the hold, hauled tail to the ring and slid in. Fale, being larger and slower as well as selling the submission, didn't make it in time. The crowd popped huge due to the protected rarity of this type of win.

The whole thing about referees being knocked out for minutes by a punch or something else that wouldn't barely faze a wrestler is just one of things...while it doesn't really make sense in reality, I've come to accept it as a part of wrestling logic, lol

#3: This is why I didn't understand people queefing over the Omega vs. Moxley match with rhe Bed O' Barbwire....of all the gimmicks I have seen, this was the worst...so many questions on just the logistics of that thing...I have never laughed so hard during a match, nor have I been more embarrassed to be a fan...

@bricktop.

2 жыл бұрын

Iv only recently seen that, watched it my young kids. Daughter saw the " explosion" at the end and laughed. She's 7. "I knew it was just pretend daddy". Says it all really.

I agree the invisible camera is ridiculous

I grew up listening to Hugo Savinovich and Carlitos Cabrera on the commentary, awesome memories. Even how they struggled to get back on after their table was destroyed. Aaaaatanganaaa dimelo Carlitos!

Exactly!!!! It's the big pop for the finish that counts. All that other shit before just exhausts and distracts the crowd.

My biggest one is "false finishes.". They are called finishers for a reason. Otherwise they aren't finishers. You don't kick out of them unless it's a really BIG match i.e. world title, career ending match.