Water well Technician here... the reason you were short cycling that jet pump with the check valve is because the pump itself needs back pressure to the pressure switch from the tank to keep the switch in the open or closed position depending on the requirements of the system. It also leads me to believe there is a small amount of air inside the pump itself still or pipe work.. especially if it would continue to short cycle being isolated behind valves.. air can compress and water will not..

@ArizonaHotHomestead

3 ай бұрын

thanks so much. have a great day

@CauseOfDeath27

3 ай бұрын

I'm having the same issues. I installed a check valve where his was, in between the pressure tank and the pump. So I should just remove the check valve? Should I put it somewhere else in my plumbing or just leave it out? I have the same pump and a 20 gallon pressure tank.

@JoseTorres-dx8un

Ай бұрын

@@CauseOfDeath27 YES

You're not an idiot Geoff/Jeff. Just a humble bloke honest enough to admit he doesn't know everything but knows enough to want to find out and help others. Would be a better world if we all did it your way. Thanks for the video mate, well done.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

7 ай бұрын

wow thanks for the kind words. i am an expert at nothing. lol... enjoy life. have a great day.

Hey man you saved me so much work with this video. I am Abel Barnes of Barnes family homestead in Tawas City Michigan. My water pump fried last night so I shot up to tractor supply and grabbed a new one before they closed. Got it all hooked up and was pumping just fine till it hit shut off pressure and started cycling. Mind you this was at 2:30 in the morning and boy did I feel defeated. After an hour of research on you tube and other sites I came across your video. I also had a cv between the pressure tank and pump. I'm a God fearing man and something set right in my spirit about you and your video. So today I removed the cv and replaced it with a coupler for ease of disassembly in the future. Just got done waiting for everything to set up and sure enough it is fixed. Made so much sense to me that the check valve wouldn't allow the tank pressure to keep the pressure switch held once it closed to stop back pressure. Thank you so much!! Your video has been a literal God send!! Bless you!!

@ArizonaHotHomestead

9 ай бұрын

so glad it was helpful.

@Capu57

3 ай бұрын

One thing I just learned about and just replaced on my pump was the pressure switch from a standard to an M4 which is a low pressure cut off. They look essentially the same except their is a little metal bar that sticks out. When you prime the pump you have to hold this switch down until the PSI exceeds 10 I think, then it will hold its own. If the PSI ever drops below 10 it will cut off and wont turn back on until you hold the lever again. I bought it because my pump is only used for the landscape and 3 weeks ago it ran dry and ran so long that it melted all of the PVC parts attached and warped all the non metal parts inside. They are check insurance I think the one I got was $32

Took the check valve out after pump. Fixed it. Seems the valve stops the pressure from the line and tank causing pump to read low and come back on. works awesome now thankyou!!

@ArizonaHotHomestead

9 ай бұрын

sweet. have a great day

I just had the exact same rapid cycling problem on a new well install using a harbor Freight shallow well jet pump. The installation diagram showed a check valve after the pump so I installed one between pump and tank. When I removed the valve, problem solved. Thanks for the tip.

@duanek6051

10 ай бұрын

Hope this helps Iam having exact same problem with a hf pump. the pressure switch was arcing too. Changed the pressure switch last night. Hopefully if one was installed and I remove it the issue will be resolved. For now just turning pump off when not needed.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

9 ай бұрын

thanks for the input. i like when people help each other your awesome

@ArizonaHotHomestead

9 ай бұрын

thanks for the info. have a great day

The middle cv was not allowing enough pressure to keep the cv on the left closed all the way. The water would leak back in to the holding tank causing the pump to come back on. My two cents👍

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

interesting. thanks.

@Capu57

3 ай бұрын

well that kind of check valve has a spring inside it to keep it closed. It only opens when the pressure on the inflow side or the suction on the outflow side has a pressure differential of somewhere between 1 and 5 PSI. So if the pressure is equal it will normall be closed. The pressure has to overcome the power of the spring. That being said one thing I thought about it that since that check valve is upside down (I know they can be vertical or horizontal but I dont think the vertical and be upside down). The weight of the water above it might have been enough to hold it open. Along with the middle check valve the back pressure from the tank was prevented from getting to the 1st check valve. So it's possible the weight of the water held open the first check valve just enough and allowed water to slowly flow backwards at such a slow rate that is did not cause the check valve to actually close. By removing the middle one the pressure tank was now free to apply anough pressure backwards to overcome the weight of the water before the 1st check valve. Conversly I think if you ran a loop up, through a check valve, then down to the pump that might have also fixed the issue, as there would then no longer be the weight of the water pressure down on the check valve inlet side.

Thanks for posting. I live in CentralnAmerica and our water is supplied directly from a river. So we get a lot of silt in our tanks. Glad I checked your video before having someone come out. 😊

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

awesome. have a great day

Problem is that you can't have a check valve between the pump and the pressure tank . It gives the pressure switch false reading . When the check valve cuts off it tells the the pressure switch that no pressure so it turns on and the moment the check valve opens up and the pressure switch reads the pressure tanks pressure it cuts off . It will keep doing that till you remove the check valve from the middle .

@ArizonaHotHomestead

3 ай бұрын

thanks so much for the information. have a great day

Thank for this video and to all who commented on it!. I did the same thing cv between tank and pump. Back up and running.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

10 ай бұрын

thanks. have a great day.

It's due to where the pressure switch is and the pressure tank. You can't have a check valve in between as the pipe won't keep constant pressure, especially at that short of distance. If your pressure switch was after the check valve you'd be ok. I have a similar system with the check valve in-between pump and tank but the pressure switch is attached to the tank. The pressure between the pump and the check valve is often 0 in-between cycles. After the pressure tank, the pressure tank is pushing the water through the check valve. Look at in ground well pump systems for examples of this setup. And I've found plumbers are not always "well" trained..... (pun intended) and you need someone who works on wells.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

11 ай бұрын

thanks for the info.

This is my take on your problem… The pressure switch is on your pump not at the tank tee. So because the switch is dependant on the system pressure. The check valve in question was preventing the pump switch from doing its job because there was no possible back pressure from the pressure tank to allow it to monitor pressure properly. This affecting cut in /cut out pressures The best way to prove my theory is to turn off that valve you put in the check valves place. Your pump will cycle on and off again. Viola! Problem explained.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

thanks.

You can't compress water, but you can compress air. When your water is pressurised, it's actually a rubber balloon in your water tank that has compressed air in it which pushes against the water to pressurise it. You can't have check valve between the pump and the water tank.

Thanks for the video I ran into the same issue with the same set up with the backflow valve. The well technician had the answer it's the back flow pressure that kept the pump from short cycling. The pump switch stop cycling after i removed the backflow valve. Don't put a back flow valve between the Tank and pump!!!

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Ай бұрын

your welcome. have a great day

I'm a late comer to this video. And this is a long winded reply. A number of commenter said similar things in different ways so my input may be restating some of what has already been said. I think you would've seen different results if your pressure switch had been located on the p-tank tee rather than on the pump, mainly because of the difference in water volume between the 2 locations. And here's why. Cvs act to seperate various "chambers" in a flow system. They're designed to keep the pressure of a downstream chamber from overwhelming and backflowing in to an upstream chamber. Cvs are actuated by pressure differential. Higher upstream pressure opens the valve, higher downstream pressure closes the valve. The spring and/or weight of the cv gate creates an intentional imbalance to close the valve when pressure on both side of the valve are equal, thus preventing backflow. Upstream pressure has to be high enough to overcome residual downstream pressure plus the pressure required to open the valve. For example, lets say your pressure tank has 50psi and your checkvalve requires 5psi to open. Your pump has to produce more than 55psi to even begin to create flow. If the pressure switch on your pump is set to cut off at 60psi, the pressure tank's reaction to new inflow could be enough to close the cv, which causes a sudden increase in pressure in the chamber where the pressure switch is located. The slim margin between pressure switch cut off and pressure required to create flow, combined with the low volume of the pressure switch's chamber triggers the short cycling sequence. By removing the cv between the p-tank and pump, you've combined the water volume of the p-tank with the water in the pump's chamber, where the pressure switch is located, so no more ping pong effect between the two.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

8 ай бұрын

thank you. i appreciate any input. i am learning so much more as you folks comment on the videos. thanks again . have a great day

Thanks for that, fixed my problem. Chucked in a one way valve on the inlet side of the pump to stop feedback to the holding tank. Cheers mate!

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

sweet. teams win and we all should team up to help each other. have a great day

The first check valve is fine, so is the last , the middle check valve was the problem for sure, it takes pressure to push open the valve, as soon as the pump makes pressure to open it , it is met with the pressure after the valve and spikes the pump pressure backwards to the pump, as soon as this is equalised the valve shuts, the pump will then try to bring pressure back up opening the valve again, again two different pressures meeting and trying to work against each other back and forth, the drop from the pump is when its met with higher pressure from the tank pushing back on it, once equalised the pump will bring the tank back up to pressure ready for it to repeat over and over, its all just a balance of pressures either side of the check valve

Thanks for the video I had the exact same setup and problem when I took out the check valve it stopped the cycling. So don't put any check valve between jet pump and pressure tank!!

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

lol learn as we go.

Thanks for the post - once I moved the check valve to the suction line everything was solved. I am presuming this works because the pressure from the pump cycling off against the elastic bladder of the pressure tank causes an auto-triggering scenario. The balloon retracting fluctuates the pressure sensor back to the switch, which triggers the pump to send more water and over and over it goes. Once the check valve is behind the pump, the pressure fluctuation is dampened, eliminating the auto-triggering. The plumbers also told me to find a leak. Thanks again!

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

great... thanks for the info... have a great day

it would be interesting to know that as well i hope someone has the knowledge and can explain it to us common folks. thanks for sharing and have a great day

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

didnt check the valve. just replaced it with a ball valve.

Between the middle and first check valve there wasnt enough storage capacity to hold pressure, especially if the first CV has a slight leak (and they almost always do). It would only take a slight leakage on the first CV to then cycle the pump.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

11 ай бұрын

thanks for the info.

That check valve creates an air space so that why the pump cycles on and off. The check valve on the intake and the check valve on the output to the house is correct but unecessary.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

9 ай бұрын

makes better sense now.

The pump has a low pressure inlet side and a high pressure outlet side. By having a check valve on both sides, you are essentially are locking the high pressure in the outlet side. The internals of the pump are not perfectly sealed and over a short time, the high pressure would leak through to the low side and equalize the pressure in the high side and low side, dropping the high side pressure enough to cause the pressure switch to kick the pump on. This is not caused by a leaking check valve, just equalizing the pressure from the high side to the low side.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

good to know. thanks so much.

When the pump is on even though it seems like it's full of water it's really not. As soon as you turn it off a little bit of water can go back into the pump. Because you have such a short piece of pipe there's no buffer for that to happen. So it's going to keep short cycling. Once you open it up to the pressurized tank now you have a great buffer zone for that to happen and not be an issue.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

7 ай бұрын

thanks for the info.

The system only requires 1 check valve. The check should be put before the tank and after the pump to stop back pressure. The way you explained it was soon as both check vlaves shut your system ie the pipe work between the pump and tank because check vales do not create a very tight seal the pressure in your pipe work will reduce another words it would slowly drain back into your well. So by just having a check valve at your tank before your pressure switch, you find it works perfectly.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Ай бұрын

cool. thanks for explaining. have a great day

This was a fix for me!!!! Thank you for posting.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

you are welcome. have a great day

Oh BTW. Always install your pressure switch as close as possible to the pressure tank to avoid pressure switch "chatter" on/off/on/off/on/off/on/off/etc.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

7 ай бұрын

thanks

The reason why is that water is not compressible. You cut off the pressure coming from blue tank that also has air in it which is where the pressure is coming from.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

4 ай бұрын

great way to explain it. thanks.

You don't need check valves for a jet pump. Use them for submersable pumps.

A check valve after the pump will keep the pump from seeing the pressure in the tank, and if the check valve before the pump is the slightest bit leaky, the pump would see its pressure draining away quickly and turning on, then immediately stopping because the tank is already full.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

thanks for the info.

You isolated the pump pressure switch from the tank pressure with that third check valve, simple.

The only checkfile needed on that system is the one immediately after the well or water source. It would be there to protect the water source from contamination or back flow. Everything after that would just be ball valves that could be shut off for servicing. Those pumps turn on when water flow is detected. But they require Back pressure at the same time. I mean the check valve right after the pump eliminated that. And the pump would start short cycling. By removing the check valve the pressure tank Is giving the pump back pressure. The check valve on the main line should be removed and replaced with a ball valve so you have an accurate reading. And if the pump starts short cycling you will know there is a leak in the main line or at the house.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Ай бұрын

now i know that. lol. i like it that i can post videos and i get so much input the information is incredible. thanks

@donaldblank8873

Ай бұрын

@@ArizonaHotHomestead Nowadays that's how we learn. College is a joke.

Jeff i believe its because that pipe has to have pressure and that check valve was stopping it and the pressure back to the pump either leaked from the bottom of the pump or that check valve.... Im not a plumber but we are off grid and using almost the same pump. My check valve is after my filters this way the pump never god dry ....... Keep it up brother🤘🤘🤘🤘

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

so far its holding perfectly with the 2 check valves. the key was removing the middle one. i did however notice my water pressure at the sink is slightly lower than before almost like the 2nd check valve is keeping the pressure tank from fully pressurizing my lines to the sink. i might next summer remove that one and see what happens.

@dthievin

Жыл бұрын

Is your initial check valve is before or after the filters? That would be helpful to know!

Apparently the pump has to read pressure from the house. New remove the check valve it is now reading pressure from the pressure tank. There should not be a check valve after the pump anywhere in the line. A ball valve should be installed. For servicing. With the check valve in front of the pump the first time the pump was unable to read the pressure.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

23 күн бұрын

thanks.

That was our problem!! Thank you Thank you!!

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

sweet. glad it was helpful... have a great day

My pressure system was identical to yours. I had two check valves same as your system. One check valve before the pump and one check valve after the pump and before the pressure tank. My pump would turn off when it reached 50 psi and then after few minutes the pressure would drop and turn the pump on for 1 or 2 seconds then then turn the pump off. I removed the check valve located betweem the pump and the pressure tank and the cyclying on off stopped. I am guessing the location of the pressure switch (located with the pump) it part of the problem. If the switch was located beyond the second check valve instead of between them it would not give a false reading. In other words, the switch needs to measure the pressure at the tank and not the pump. However, i cannot explain why the pressure at the pump would be different with or without a check valve after the pump.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

good to know i wasnt the only one to do it that way. lol... but we both figured it out. way to go. have a great day

The pump control switch should be on the manifold on the tank outlet, not on the pump side of your system. The pressure between the pump inlet check valve and the outlet check valve will drop due to pressure loss through the pump inlet/suction check valve. With the pump control switch mounted on the pressure tank outlet (where it should be) would have allowed for your three check valves and proper pump management.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Ай бұрын

thanks for your input. i appreciate it. have a great day

Your check valve needs to be after the pressure tank as the back pressure will keep the valve opening and closing from the pump pressure

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

thanks.

I've only know that the check vale should go on the in line to the pump befor the pump, this keeps the system primed even if the foot valve in the well goes bad, ask me how I know😅. I was also told any in line filter should go after the pump, why I don't know that either.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

23 күн бұрын

im thinking i want the water filtered before the pump to protect the pump from debris.

@runningman1156

23 күн бұрын

@ArizonaHotHomestead I thought the same thing but was told it could hurt the pump because flow is restricted. Don't know if this is so.

Imagining the system, I would compare the action going on to the scavenging that occurs most-pronounced within a 2-cycle engine while running. The scavenging causes air to move into the combustion chamber from the intake side, while both intake and exhaust ports are exposed to the same air stream at the same time, and it does not blow exhaust backwards into the intake side. In the engine model, the air leaving the combustion chamber first through the exhaust port has velocity it gains when leaving due to the initial pressure. A flow of mass, be it air or water, also has kinetic inertia while moving. When the electrical energy in the pump motor is cut, the flow has to expend its kinetic energy into the system before coming to a rest. The flow continues into the reservoir before stopping. If the one-way valve is ahead of the motor, the scavenging effect places the pump on the low-pressure side of the energy flow after the water inertia comes to a rest. The "reflected" pressure wave hits the one-way valve, the valve closes, ahead of the valve is pressure, behind the valve is a moment of vacuum (or let's call it simply a lower state of energy rather than reaching vacuum), and as the entire flow comes to a halt the rear one-way valve then also closes, and what you are left with is some value of pressure not entirely influenced by holding-tank pressure but by intake flow and motor inertia. So you're left with the pump being in a trapped region of pressure that is lower than the holding tank. When the one-way is placed behind the pump only, the pump remains in a region which is not cut off from the holding tank, so when the pump motor is cut the reflected pressure wave travels back past the pump, hits the one-way behind the pump, the valve closes and the pump remains in the region where full-pressure exists, and the pump continues to see that region of pressure. Now you can hopefully try to explain this to plumbers. :)

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

very interesting way of looking at it. thanks.

Booster pumps need to read the pressure of the house service line.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Ай бұрын

i do have a house service line. i am off grid the nearest city water line is over 25 miles away

The check valve between the pump and pressure tank won't allow your pressure switch know when to kick on because the low water pressure is not dropping before that check valve. The one after the pressure tank just keeps your system from draining when you open your system for repair. Make sense?

@ArizonaHotHomestead

9 ай бұрын

yes it does. thanks so much.

I think the water has to push the check valvues springs open. Some of the pressue is being used to keep the springs open, Also when I had a 5 micron filter before the motor, mine cycled as well. My setup was one check value and filters after the pressure tank. I use a sand filter to filter the water a bit before the motor and to keep the pressure consistent.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

so far my system is holding perfectly. . nice. thanks for sharing your set up.

Having check valves orientated vertically isn't the problem, but it is if they're upside down, i.e. normal flow direction is downwards and reverse flow would be upwards. Unless the valve clapper is spring loaded shut, gravity will hold it open for small flow rates. A colleague engineer of mine used to say, "where possible, design things to use Gravity; it's cheap and reliable!" Gravity is working against your first check valve.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

5 ай бұрын

thanks for the input.

Hummm. Interesting! Dynamic Pump Pressure? My theory. It looks like while the pump is running the pump output pressure (apparent pressure) is active and when the pump is in a resting state the pressure drops to true pressure? By taking the check valve out of the equation the pressure tank keeps the pressure at apparent pressure? have you ever noticed when the pump turns off the pressure gauge drops a couple pounds? (It would be interesting to see what the pressure drop was with the check valve in the line. just curious.)

@ArizonaHotHomestead

7 ай бұрын

no i havent noticed the gauge dropping.

I have the same problem with my tankless shallow well jet pump. Not sure if it's just getting old but it seems to lose pressure then takes forever to shut off

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

from what i have learned is it could be a problem with pressure tank, check valve failed, or the pressure switch has gone bad... i am no expert. good luck.

Pressure control valve might help

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Ай бұрын

thanks. have a great day

I think this has happened because the pressure has been looked in the pressure tank because of the second check valve and not sending pressure to the pressure switch.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

could be. i know by removing it it fixed the issue.

Looks like you have a check vlv leaking by. You need a gauge in all of three sections to really see what’s happening. Also you want to work with the pressure switch in small adjustments sounds like it’s set too high and you should have a low pressure adjustment. I only have one check vlv in my system and that’s just so the water can’t go back down the well. If you have a local pump supply like Essco that works with water wells they will help(hopefully). They were the ones that help me set up my system.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

good info thanks..

I did the same thing. If you think about it, building pressure to correct amount at the pressure tank builds it the whole way to the pump while the valve is open, once pump shuts off, your valve closes, and all the water behind the check valve is suddenly lower than the side the tank is on. So it kicks on, valve opens, pump is at cut off pressure, valve closes, pump back on. This all happens rapidly. Can't put the check valve between pump and pressure tank.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

nicely explained. thank you

@ShaunBennett

10 ай бұрын

yup, we thought we were being cleaver...Damn You Science !!!

Leak down across the pump from the pressure side to the vacuum side .

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

so why when i remove the middle check valve i dont have the same leak like you say.?

The pressure in your system is maintained by the compressed air in the tank. Air is much more compressible than the water. The middle cv isolated your pressure switch on the pump from the air bladder (pressure maintainer).

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

thanks. why cant others say that?

Another reason a jet pump would cycle is caused by the flow valve if equipped.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

8 ай бұрын

thanks for the info.

love your videos

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

gee thanks. have a great day

I have one of those pos Chinese pumps from china freight and the pos melter at the pressure switch..can I use it by bypassing that crap?

@ArizonaHotHomestead

23 күн бұрын

dont know. i guess you can try and see what happens. on some pumps you can replace the switch

@elcomandante9299

4 сағат бұрын

I deleted the tank and melted pressure switch.

There is a pressure differential between the tank and the pump. It looks like the pump has the pressure switch.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

yes the switch is on the pump

What elevation are you? How deep is your well. Does it run dry?

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

6200ft. no well i use a storage tank 5000 gallons. the pump says never allow it to run dry.

Check valves require a pressure differential to work. When the pressure is higher on the supply side it will allow flow, when the pressure is higher on the check side,(when you turn the pump off)it will not allow flow. If you have multiple check valves in line, - lets say 10 of ‘em from a pump to a water hose - if you open the water hose they will all allow flow. Once you close the hose, you have created a change in pressure differential - but only on the last check valve in line. Check valves are not like ball valves, they are not an on or off, if the pressure differential becomes equal on both sides it WILL allow flow (a leak) in the wrong direction…. You should also check into a company called “cycle stop valves” i just installed one myself on my well system.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

10 ай бұрын

thanks for the explanation.

Maybe the "center" check valve was weak?

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

i purchased all 3 the same day, all new, i guess its possible a new one is faulty .

Did you try a different check valve? Maybe have just been faulty.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

no. i just i would step back and remove the middle cv after all i guess i should only have the first one. didnt try or test the middle cv.

What kind of seal does the pic check valve use

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

good question dont know off hand. i would have to look.

Was it a new check valve that you replaced?

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

yes brand new a few hours after i bought it.

You only need one check valve the one coming from the water tank.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

9 ай бұрын

thats what i am learning.

Common sense is how can you put pressure valve before your pump you have to have water flowed from the well to the pump before you install check valve and I'm not a plumber but that's common sense

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 ай бұрын

lol you havent watching many of my videos have you?. i have no common sense. lol. i just figure things out as i go.

Tank controls pressure to pressure switch

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

now you tell me. where were you when i did this.?? lol....

@donclark5865

8 ай бұрын

The check valve restricts the back pressure from the bladder, therefore you don't have the proper signal to keep the switch open. But, when the pump cycles on, the check valve opens and all the pressures are now equal.

how big is your tank and how is your tank filled?

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

water tank? 5000 gallons. fill it with rain or have water hauled in. . the pressure tank is 44 gal.

@fredgarvin4482

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaHotHomestead wow 5000 gallons. I have an air lift pump that pulls water from a well that goes to a 300 gallon holding tank.

I am so confused now. I don't have a check valve between pump and pressure tank and mine is chattering bad. I think my tank is bad though.

@fredgarvin4482

2 жыл бұрын

and I thought mine might be chattering because no check valve. but yours is second video that someone took out the check valve I already don't have to fix the chattering

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

i am no expert. maybe something with the switch? pressure switch?

@fredgarvin4482

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaHotHomestead thank you for the reply. since my comment I changed the switch and it stopped the chattering. I do suspect that just clearing sand out of the other may have fixed the problem. but my pressure tank was bad and no telling for how long so maybe the long term short cycling had tore up the pressure switch. I acquired the property with the well in this condition. that is why I don't know how long it had been messed up. but thanks again for the reply.

@fredgarvin4482

2 жыл бұрын

I just rewatched your video and I think maybe the check valve between the tank and pump was isolating/blocking the pump from seeing the pressure from the tank. i.e. the tanks pressure wasn't allowed to push backwards through the check valve to close the pressure switch.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

@@fredgarvin4482 now that makes the most sense. thanks.

the pressure switch on the pump requires the back pressure from the tank to tell it when to kick on or off. the middle check valve was not allowing the blue tank to show its current pressure to the switch on the pump.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

interesting. thanks... sad that was hard for me to get that info. lol

Also, thinking about it, the diaphragm in your pressure tank burst pump will cycle just as you lock the pressure in the pump using one check valve before and one after.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

interesting ... thanks for the info

Was that check valve faulty?

@ArizonaHotHomestead

11 ай бұрын

no. has something to do with having to many check valves.

@anthonysilva5934

11 ай бұрын

*too many @@ArizonaHotHomestead

Air pocket

@ArizonaHotHomestead

6 ай бұрын

thats what i thought too. i wonder if the extra check valve created the air pocket.

Looks like you smoked just the right amount

@ArizonaHotHomestead

5 ай бұрын

?

Why not just use a regular RV water pump? That's what I've been using for 8 years into a pressure tank like yours...has built in check valve. Nothing elaborate at all...nothing fancy.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

2 жыл бұрын

becus thats to easy. lol....

@zumadale

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaHotHomestead Over thinking sometimes bites you in the ass ...lol...if you insulated that shed...the pipes won't freeze...mine don't. Except once a PVC pipe froze and broke open...but that was once in 8 years...I can live with that. My on demand water heater is located in the same shed...helps warm things up...along with my inverter...charge controller and batteries...all contribute to warming things up a bit.

Check valve is bad. Seeping

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Ай бұрын

thanks

7:13 :):):):)

@ArizonaHotHomestead

4 ай бұрын

thanks for watching

Third world plumbing advice

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

lol i would say thats a huge compliment lol.

You have a T running to the pressure tank. Should have mounted the pressure switch there..Not on the pump between two check valves.

@ArizonaHotHomestead

Жыл бұрын

thanks.

I had too use peculiar pex pipe crap. And I copied WHAT YOU did in YOUR first video. I haven't been able too shower in a month. Getting the money soon too fix this now that I found your new video. And by the way the pressure switch can't feel the pressure from the tank when the one way door close'es. Open the pressure switch turns off because it feels the pressure but when the door shuts the pressure switch can't feel pressure or loss of pressure. FUCK I'm mad. It's hot and been getting yelled at too fix. And short on cash showered at a truck stop by paying. 😡😠🌋🌀🌋🌋🌋🌋🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔💣⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💩🔥👎👊💥💫💥👿😤⚡🔥🌋🌋🌀🌀🔥💥⚡⚡⚡🔥🔥🔥💥😤🌋🌋🌋🌀🔥⚡🔥💥

@ArizonaHotHomestead

11 ай бұрын

it has been a hot summer. good luck with fixing it. sorry you havent been able to make it work right away.