My speakers malfunctioned in this recording. They wouldn't shut off when I plugged my earbuds in. So I kept the volume as low as possible, and replaced those speakers immediately after. I certainly notice the issue with the sound!

@AronRa

2 жыл бұрын

@@antitheistatheist5463 See you tomorrow.

@aprylvanryn5898

2 жыл бұрын

Not even bad enough to worry about

@CrazyOminousRaven98

2 жыл бұрын

@The Stranger I would be so excited if I saw aronra walking around I'd buy him a beer show him my bong 🍺.... you totally ducking rick rolled me dude...

@philippeberaldin5457

2 жыл бұрын

Not a problem as I was listening with headphones on .Thanks for the notice.

@Mrran4life

2 жыл бұрын

Great conversation I barely noticed

Mark Twain, in one of his travel books, describes being shown two skulls of Christopher Columbus by tourist guides in Genoa --- "one as a boy, and one as a man."

@therealatheistexperience7654

2 жыл бұрын

I’d be willing to wager that ole Twain was getting some skulls back in the day

@majormarketing6552

2 жыл бұрын

@James Henry Smith You made an assertion… you forgot evidence for actually making an argument.

@emptybucket1988

4 ай бұрын

How does that make sense

@philpaine3068

4 ай бұрын

@@emptybucket1988 Mark Twain was telling a joke. He was a famous humorist. He told jokes. It appears in his book "The Innocents Abroad", published in 1869.

@josephbelisle5792

Ай бұрын

​@@emptybucket1988it makes sense by not making sense. It may have been or not been true there were two skulls on display of the same man but its meant to show how people want to worship things and how people will take advantage of that want. How people will believe things despite logic, reason or evidence. Twain was picking on humanity and how stupid we can be. And yes, he was picking on himself as well.

Whenever a new Aron vid pops up I can't help but smile.

@BeatsLyrics

2 жыл бұрын

i wish this was a longer full hour conversation but still great

@VaughanMcCue

2 жыл бұрын

@@raysalmon6566 Still myth, whichever way you look at it.

@VaughanMcCue

2 жыл бұрын

@@raysalmon6566 Too boring to read. Thanks for your interest and contribution, and sorry you wasted your time (unless it was just a cut 'n' paste). Maybe someone will be impressed. Spiderman was in NY, which makes SM true - even though he wears his underwear outside.

@VaughanMcCue

2 жыл бұрын

@@raysalmon6566 Showing off how quick you can splice text is certainly cringeworthy and might impress your mother but it is just so boring.

@VaughanMcCue

2 жыл бұрын

@@raysalmon6566 St AronRa has not mastered the art of bullshit, like yours, but he may be suffering the lingering smell on his boots from his theist days. The god virus certainly damages the brain, as you are our star witness. AronRa has recovered from that affliction and developed immunity to that disgusting disease, and is providing inoculations like this video. Top marks go to you as you are indeed the master of the text GishGallop - SalmonSpuriousSplice, (slimy like oily fish fillets) using you plagiarising stock of other people's words in a database so it saves resorting to thinking. You know, the theist way. It is interesting to see you lurking in these deep waters and out of your depth because theists like Matt Powell have their comments blocked because they are afraid their gullible victims might become informed. Honest practitioners like St AronRa, are not scared of letting you minnows enter these holy waters. Imagine how your JC could empower you to challenge the Saturdayists, Jumping Jehorses Witlesses, Utah Morons, Catholics, Christadelphians, and even the World Wide Church of Dog; they are splintering again. I suggest you swim over to the other X'tians (you have a thousand flavors to choose from) and put them back on track to mend the errors of their evil ways. Maybe you can be the Ninevah talking fish and take loaves to them too. They will welcome your wisdom when you provide them with the reason why your gods of confusion can't get their act together. Your contribution here is a waste of time, except for something amusing to while away the time. You JC sent you on a fool's errand here.

Aron Ra & Dr Ehrman together having a discussion. Thanks for letting us eavesdrop on it.

Haha, guess both christians and atheists would agree with the statement "Jesus was an absolute legend" :P Just different inflections I guess.

@mypetcrow9873

2 жыл бұрын

Great bumper sticker! I want one!

@jimmynolet3752

2 жыл бұрын

No legend is trumped by hero and hero is trumped by titan and titan is trumped by God. Seeing Jesus is God, legend status is farrrr down the totem pole

@laurajarrell6187

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmynolet3752 heh heh, Ceasars said they were gods. Pharoes said they were. And most 'legends' back then also claimed virgin both, too. Even Ghengis Kahn! 🥰✌

@jimmynolet3752

2 жыл бұрын

@@laurajarrell6187 And where are they all? In the grave. But Jesus is risen

@c.a.t.732

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmynolet3752 According to Matthew, lots of tombs were emptied and many others rose from the dead at the same time. Does that mean they were all God also?

The worst thing I can say about this conversation is that it's too short. Keep it up.

A pox on those that complain of your talks being too long. If I had any control, they would be much longer!

@specspectrier620

2 жыл бұрын

Please tell me why I read this aloud like a fancy 1800s gentleman

@BlizzardofOze

2 жыл бұрын

@@specspectrier620 Aron is the only youtuber who I can see a 50 minute upload from which I immediately hit "play" on.

The fact that AronRa does not have multiple millions of subs by now is a prime example of what a sad state of affairs we are in. People just can't handle the truth.

@Orkaney

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. There are people who just don't care about religion, just like there are people who don't care about politics, vintage cars or (gasp) dogs.

@MazBringsby

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, Jesus loves you.

@campfireaddict6417

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelord3561 What bible do you read?

@seanhammer6296

2 жыл бұрын

The path of truth seldom crosses the path of happiness.

@lloydchristmas4547

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelord3561 Allah loves you and your spam.

I can confirm that Aaron Ra is , in fact , two pay grades above me in the Illuminate. I'm a member of the cleaning team at the secret headquarters under mount Everest.

@allenhonaker4107

2 жыл бұрын

Remember All lluminati personnel below Aaron's grade Must wear their company issued tin foil hat in order to be in compliance with workman's compensation. All previous damage from the hyperresonance rays will not be covered. 🤣

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

that is some huge rooftop and quite a busy one, would K2 not be a more quite place?

@telfordguy34uk

2 жыл бұрын

@@allenhonaker4107 Damn it . I turned down the Union membership.

@telfordguy34uk

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamion53 That's what I thought . But they chose Everest BECAUSE it's busy. Something to do with Uber deliveries.

@zecuse

2 жыл бұрын

Everest, huh? Better than me. I'm stuck in Antarctica for half the year, not the good half.

Ehrmangod it's Ehrman!

The story of Jesus and the dragons was excluded from the canon because that was a little too unbelievable; after all, we need to have some common sense.

@Mikri90

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I mean come on, they do have some standards :D

@rlfs2853

2 жыл бұрын

Which gospel was that?

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

If enough people demand a Messiah, by Jesus they shall have one. Let's begin the process with a Virgin Birth.

@biggiesmol

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesRichardWiley humans can reproduce asexually then?

@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana

2 жыл бұрын

@@biggiesmol It's kind of a flaw we cannot to begin with. Reptiles manage it quite well and as long as it is not used too much it does not really impact genetic diversity enough to be relevant.

Two years late to comment. Two of my favorite youtube personalities at it again. So it's for the algorithm! 🎉

Thank you Aron for providing such a great discussion with Bart. Kudos 👍

Aron Ra please stay healthy. We need you !

Lovely talk! Signed up for the webinar. Best Christmas gift ever!

Here are two of 5 people that aided me in abandoning Christianity for good and all. The others are Carl Sagan, Chistopher Hitchens, and Neil Degrasse Tyson. I have gone back and revisited the Bible to make sure. But once you "see" the glaring reality and contradictions, they can't be unseen. Or maybe a better point is, once I let go of the emotional fetters and fear, I was free to accept the truth I knew all along.

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKmotaaEY93XiaQ.html

After I discovered Santa wasn't real, I became skeptical of most claims about reality made by people. But it was my Myth and Symbol class that was the nail in the coffin for my theological beliefs. The idea that the stories we now call mythology, were once believed as fervently as modern religions, made it clear to me that modern religion is simply the mythology of the future.

@joeknowles6880

2 жыл бұрын

Technically, modern religion is the mythology of today, as well. Yet, most adherents would disagree.

@JumpNMustang

2 жыл бұрын

I always tell people that that only difference between religion and mythology is the amount of people who believe in it. If we had a handful of people who honestly believed in a mythology sect and petitioned to have it known they could get similar benefits as regular religions. Although being it is unlikely to see honest worshipping of known mythology they might be slightly more scrutinized than the more recent additions.

@joeknowles6880

2 жыл бұрын

@@JumpNMustang I've always liked... A small unpopular religion is a cult A large popular cult is a religion

@keithmarlowe5569

2 жыл бұрын

"A picture can say a thousand words. But what words"? Professor Langdon ( Tom Hanks) in Davinci Code

@deathbytheblade6757

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeknowles6880 Thanks for that one, Joe. As wisdom goes, it's a real gem.

what i find particularly entertaining is when theres a story about lgbt1 rights or something and the holy rollers get on there arguing over who knows god better.. its SOOOO funny

@Pllayer064

2 жыл бұрын

God always happens to hate the same people they do. What are the odds.

Awesome conversation, once again….thank you Aron !

Honestly, I think the only historic Jesus we're ever going to find is Jesus Ben Annanias, who was never crucified. The Christ is a legend built on a composite, like King Arthur.

@moleculetomanmyth8639

2 жыл бұрын

The apostle wrote first hand accounts about Jesus in the New Testament.

@rickmartin7596

2 жыл бұрын

Various Jewish sects were competing to claim the messiah as one of their own, so it's no wonder there is so much confusion now. We are trying to make a picture out of a pile of sticks.

@moleculetomanmyth8639

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickmartin7596 there is no confusion. Have you ever heard of the Bible?

@konsum949

2 жыл бұрын

@@moleculetomanmyth8639 the bible is a strange collection of storys collected, many of them are Deply contradictionary

@moleculetomanmyth8639

2 жыл бұрын

@@konsum949 the fact that you don't understand it doesn't mean it is not true.

I'm 72+, thus have seen numerious generations including my own, come and go only to be replaced by the new. I've leraned that the story envolving Santa Claus for instance has changed dramatically since it's conception to the first time I learned it from my parents. Comparing it today to what I was taught is dramatically different also. If a story of a Santa Claus in so few generations, then one told for thousands of generations, can and has obviously changed.

Great conversation and thoughts. Much appreciated. Nice job Aron.

I visited Jerusalem and the Sea of Galilee last year (before the latest round of fighting started). I learned that when the Roman emperor Constantine converted to Christianity in the early 4th century CE, his wife went to see the places where those Gospel stories allegedly took place. However, this was three full centuries after the events allegedly occurred. Her hosts simply showed her what she wished to see, and told her what she wished to hear (she was the Empress of Rome, no less). By this point, there was simply no way of knowing whether these were the actual locations or not. After all, memories can fade after such a great length of time. The Romans kept no known records of all this. During my visit, I saw some of these same locations. It was quite moving to actually see where these events supposedly took place, but our local guide made it clear that there's no historical corroboration to verify the events depicted in the Gospels.

This was a great discussion. Thanks!

Love you Aron. Keep up everything you do. 🤘

The two most overpowered counter-apologists together in one conversation this is going to be epic!

@isaacleillhikar4566

2 жыл бұрын

What ? James White and Tim McGrew Slayed Bart Ehrman.

@isidoreaerys8745

2 жыл бұрын

@@isaacleillhikar4566 are they counter apologists?

@isaacleillhikar4566

2 жыл бұрын

@@isidoreaerys8745 Why do youi think he is a good counter appologist if he got slayed in debate ?

@fergusdenoon1255

2 жыл бұрын

@@isaacleillhikar4566 because if I slayed him in a debate about skateboarding that would detract from being a good counter apologist...

@isaacleillhikar4566

2 жыл бұрын

@@fergusdenoon1255 On the Bible transmission being reliable. That was the debate. They debated his book "Missquoting Jesus". And James White Slayed him.

Thank you to both Bart and Aron Ra …… awesome contributions.

Looking forward to it. Thank you both

I'd have listened to hours of this, AronRa! I really like these things, but the deeper dives are better, to me!

AronRa, I was very impressed that you were so diplomatic with Dr. Ehrman. In my experience, I find him somewhat difficult to not argue with, as I find his confidence in his views isn't backed with evidence to the degree he thinks. You were great in this conversation

@JamesRichardWiley

2 жыл бұрын

If you think Bart is difficult try Ken Ham and the two Hovinds.

@FilipCordas

2 жыл бұрын

Is this something you got from that dum dum Carrier? I don't know that Erham shares his views, he basically tells what the consensus view is and always points when he tells his theory.

@wjpperry1

2 жыл бұрын

@@FilipCordas I don't believe his views have consensus at all, except among literate apologists. For example, most biblical scholars of repute say that Moses was not actually a real person. Why then should we think Jesus was real? I am open to evidence, but there is none outside the bible

@wjpperry1

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesRichardWiley they are not difficult at all, they are idiots who are very frustrating. Ehrman is literate, which makes his arguments almost seem plausible, if you don't think too hard

@FilipCordas

2 жыл бұрын

@@wjpperry1 What let me get your argument Moses wasn't real therefore Jesus wasn't real? I don't know what do you consider 'evidence' but there is more then enough to know Jesus existed.

Aron Ra !!!!!!! Glad to see and hear you !!!!!

I really enjoy both of your inputs as communicators and educators.

Conversations with dr Ehrman are as informative as they are hilarious

In order to dispel the myths or religion, Aron has to spend countless hours studying the lore, and learning it better than its practitioners. Oh the irony.

@campfireaddict6417

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelord3561 Another creationist casualty.

@campfireaddict6417

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelord3561 Point me to your dealer.

@ergbudster3333

2 жыл бұрын

Um.. no, that's how it works.

@dantheman2907

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelord3561 writing everything like it's a title with every first letter in uppercase and no punctuation makes your wall of text incredibly tiring to read. If you actually want people to read your message, you may want to work on your communication skills.

@isaacleillhikar4566

2 жыл бұрын

You're deceived if you think Aron did that and can do that.

Thanks for this video - Keep up the good work!

Your conversations with Prof Ehrman need to be at least an hour long. Always interesting :D I guess we should be OK with short and sweet sometimes huh?

I think when there are more in person conferences again, you should try to get Dr Ehrmann and Dr., Price to the same place and have them discuss this subject matter out with the chance to compare notes and everything as it sounded like Bart might not have fully understood what you tried to explain (that aramathias was a slurring or disfiguring of Bar Matthias during the age of oral tradition?) It would be interesting to see him react to the FULL story with Robert Price's evidence for it.

@josephpatterson2513

2 жыл бұрын

They did debate each other about 4 years ago. I thought Price was way too nice. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ea6eu8-pp8WudaQ.html and there is the video at Mythvision of Robert Price's review of the debate here. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eq2mr7aaiczcedI.html I wish Ehrman would do a discussion/debate with Richard Carrier.

There are so many composites in the Jesus character that, had someone wanted to manufacture one today, they'd have to work with Lockheed Martin and NASA just to source the exotic materials.

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

1 Corinthians Chapter 15 Is The Ressurrection Creed That Paul Had Received Only 3-5 Years After Jesus Crucifiction And Had It Written 20 Years Later In A.D 54-55 And Jesus Went On The Cross At A.D 30 Also The Tel Dan Inscription States The House Of David On It And The Moabite Stone Records Mesha Just Like The Bible Worshipping Yahweh The Pool Of Siloam When Jesus Heals The Guy Is Also A Real Place And The Book Of Acts Gets The Environment Of The First Century Correct Which Myths Do Not Do It States Drusilla And Felix Got Married While Josephus The Jewish Historian Records The Same Thing And Believing In The Jesus Of The Bible And Christianity We Are Saved By Grace Not Of Ourselves It Is The Free Gift Of God By Repenting And Putting On The Lord Jesus Christ While Jehovah Witness And Mormonism Do Not Think They Are Saved And Are Earning Salvation To Get It However The Biblical Jesus Is The Only Way And Its Not About Achieving It Rather It Is More Like Receiving Christ To Be Saved In Him And Your Works Are The Fruit Of Your Salvation Amen And 2 Timothy 4:11 States Bring The Cloak I Left At Carpus Indicating It Was Authentic And Jesus Is More Worth It For Everlasting Life And Gary Habermas Has The Greatest Case For The Ressurection And Dr. James Tour On KZread Also Shows The Reasons It Wasnt An Accident God Bless Jesus Is Lord Five Scientific Reasons To Believe In God kzread.info/dash/bejne/hqiHuturdd2-o5c.html The Case For Design kzread.info/dash/bejne/qKBskpSleKTRZbw.html Jesus And His Ressurection Video kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2SdprCFqNC9hrA.html Gary Habermas On Jesus kzread.info/dash/bejne/k62TpsRtgtrAj7A.html The Reliability Of The New Testamentt inspiringphilosophy.org/defending-christianity/

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST For By Jesus All Things Are Created I'm Here For The News Of The Kingdom Of God And While Religion Has You Doing Good Deeds To Earn Salvation The Biblical Jesus Died And Rose Again For The Forgiveness Of Sin And By Grace You Are Saved So You Walk In Him For He Loved Us So We Love The Lord

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST These Resources Are To Be Viewed Through A Gentle Context Amen Jesus Is Love And The Only Way To Be Saved Is Through The Jesus Of The Bible The Creator And It's The Free Gift Of God But May We Honor The Lord Jesus And No Longer Live For Ourselves But To The Lord

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKmotaaEY93XiaQ.html

@AnEntropyFan

2 жыл бұрын

@@jesuslord6822 Do you think that this garbage copy pasta screed that you spam has ever convinced anyone at all? Mate, I've read the Bible in more languages than you can say "My name is Jim Bob" in and each consecutive time it has become ever more so unconvincing, so certainly you won't change anything on that front by spewing butchered schizophrenicly mashed up snippets from one. Now, you should definitely seek therapy if you actually believe that god r-worded a 9-12 year old girl to get himself conceived so he can save humanity from himself by getting himself tortured without a safeword (leading to a deadly kink accident). Such neurotically divergent thinking is commonly treated with Thorazine or pharmacy brand alternatives.

And tonight the Just for laugh festival, have the great honour and privilege to introduce to you, the man, the myth, the legend...JESUS

@Aron / @Bart... Thank you both so much for an honest exchange. I am happy to accept that there was an iterarnt, 1st-century Palestininan preacher who told people "just be nice to each other" This doesn't conflict in any way with my current position - Talmidic/Matriniar Jew (but confirmed atheist due to choice)

was it more likely the jesus character is a collaboration of several men

@torontoash45

2 жыл бұрын

or maybe it is all in your mind

@isaacleillhikar4566

2 жыл бұрын

Look. Talmud : "He was a sorcerer who was going to lead the people astray so we hung him." Josephus : "He was the messiah. Wether he was a man I wonder that becaus eof all his miracles and adding to those that he rose from death." Tacitus : "The christians are being punished, I protest, for the crimes of the man they followed. They shouldn't be punished for the crimes of the one they are following." It doesnt seem like the Jesus of the Bible can not actually be a real person. And invented by a commite.

@torontoash45

2 жыл бұрын

amazing how some people lack proper reading skills . In early rabbinic literature (from Babylonia as well as Palestine), we encounter statements about Jesus from specifically Jewish sources. Please wake up

@PlatinumAltaria

2 жыл бұрын

It's possible that Superman was based on many people, but since none of them were magic flying aliens we can safely describe Superman as fiction.

@PlatinumAltaria

2 жыл бұрын

@@torontoash45 Jesus was jewish, his followers were all jewish, that isn't proof of anything.

Aron needs a pay raise by the Illuminati

@penguincommando4737

2 жыл бұрын

And the antarctic ice wall protectorate.

@tabularasa0606

2 жыл бұрын

He should be at least 2 tiers higher.

@tabularasa0606

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Andersen Paul was not an eye witness. He never met Jesus, he had hallucinations about Jesus. He was probably on drugs or suffered from schizophrenia.

@penguincommando4737

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Andersen there were no eyewitnesses.

@penguincommando4737

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Andersen when was luke born?

I always love Listening to your intellectual discussions. 😊😊😊

As Much as I like Dr. Ehrman his nervous laugh or whatever is a little strange, but the man knows his business. Another quality video AronRa!

@isidoreaerys8745

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen his talk on the King James Bible?

@rickmartin7596

2 жыл бұрын

@@isidoreaerys8745 It's fascinating, and it's on KZread: What Kind of a Text is the King James Bible? kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5yip7ytoc2YfdI.html

@isidoreaerys8745

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickmartin7596 wholesome helper

The IQ is through the roof here! Thank you, gentlemen!

Should I like because the content was great Or dislike because it was much, much too short? Great chat and amazing guest, Aron! (ps: I liked)

Good talk. I only wish it was 3 hours longer

Excellent conversation, but too short! I could have listened for an hour at least

I wonder how the Infancy Gospels got translated into schoolyard rhymes: *Glory, glory, hallelujah;* *Teacher hit me with a ruler;* *The ruler turned red, and the teacher dropped dead;* *Now they ain't gonna teach no more...* 🤣

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKmotaaEY93XiaQ.html

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST Zechariah And Nahum Scrolls Also Got Revealed And Unearthing The Bible Reveals 101 Archaeological Discoveries On The Lord

I can remember being asked in junior school, did I believe in God and Jeebus, and at 8 or 9 yrs old, I thought for about ten seconds, then came to the conclusion that, NO, NO I don't.

@richardlawson6787

2 жыл бұрын

I feel you...even as a child it insulted my intelligence...it's strange how most people can figure this out but many can't engage in critical thinking

You are both Great People!

Aron Ra thank you the videos you but out have given me more information and helped me answer questions I had so Thank You and keep up the great work.

Jesus as written in the Bible is completely fictional. Every good lie has a kernel of truth to it, so I would guess there was a real person or persons that Paul spun his new religion around. There are zero primary sources for Jesus, yet most Bible scholars (even secular ones) think there was a real person.

@LifeSucks

2 жыл бұрын

Academic historians are starting to come around to the fact that he is 100% mythical. There is zero contemporary evidence of such a person.

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think Paul even needed a real person nor do I belief Paul spun a new religion. I think he interacted with a religious movement that already existed quite some time. The step from a mythical trancedent Jesus to the real person Jesus is not made by Paul but by the Gospel writers who came after him. That's to say if Paul himself was a real person. The more I read about the lower the probability he was a real person gets. All that can be said is that at least 7 epistles had one source. For now I assume the Epistles and the Gospels are the residu of a much intenser and wider theological dialog that went on in those days.

@isaacleillhikar4566

2 жыл бұрын

Did you know most of the polytheism gods were found as human beings that lived ?

@matiaspereyra9375

2 жыл бұрын

I dont understand why it seems unfitting to assume a real dude named Jesus popped up briefly and caused a big impression upon his listeneres which they stuck around with and made these stories around later on the key events of his life.

@matiaspereyra9375

2 жыл бұрын

@@LifeSucks They actually are not The vast majority of scholars actually say the idea that a man named Jesus was a rabbi that got crucifed is uncontested. This doesnt mean Jesus has magic powers, just that it would be silly to think that people just made him up to create a movement "In modern scholarship, the Christ myth theory is a fringe theory, which finds virtually no support from scholars,[9][372][10][11][373][q 3] to the point of being addressed in footnotes or almost completely ignored due to the obvious weaknesses they espouse.[374] Common criticisms against the Christ myth theory include: general lack of expertise or relationship to academic institutions and current scholarship; reliance on arguments from silence, dismissal of what sources actually state, and superficial comparisons with mythologies.[12]"

Very good comparison to Robin Hood... I would also say similar to King Arthur.

@matthewlong3716

2 жыл бұрын

Hercules, Paul Bunyan, Pecos Bill, etc..,

@dr.floridamanphd

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewlong3716 come on, bro. Paul Bunyan was real. You’ve never seen a 49’ lumberjack before? 🤓

To me, these 2 guys are legends.

In a simple man, I see Aron post a video I click video

“Scholars most agree jesus was real man” I don’t give a damn about their guesses. There is no evidence of jesus and Paul is all about vision. But Bart keeps laughing with his silly laugh…

I like the part of the Jesus story where he preaches that the end of the world was imminent... which it was for him. Then there was the time he promised to return before the end of that generation as he prepared to rise up into the clouds. This is what myths are made of.

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST Truly Truly I Tell You 7 Is God's Number And 6 Is Man's Number

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST I Tell You The Truth It Lands On Either The 7th Or 6th Minute Accordingly As I Share These Sources As Those That Accepted The Lord And There Are Those That Aren't But He That Has Jesus Abides Forever

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST The Only Way That's Possible Is Jesus Truly Rising From The Dead And Him Being The Lord Since He Created The Universe Outside The Universe Outside Of Space And Time And Is Lord Of All Brother

Great video Aron!!

Every knee will bow and call Jesus Lord....good luck

@Fluffykeith

2 жыл бұрын

Nope

@scruffythejanitor4368

2 жыл бұрын

C.C. Kottkamp 👍yep

@tgstudio85

2 жыл бұрын

Only if Jesus will force me to kneel, but if he will do that, then he will lose;)

@c.c.kottkamp1150

2 жыл бұрын

No you will see the truth and joyfully bow

@Korkzorz

Ай бұрын

Naive and moronic... It's been 2000 years.. how long are you going to wait? 10000 years? 1 million? How about in 1 billion years when the sun is scorching the surface of the earth making life as we know it cease to exist.. has it been long enough by then?

According to 16th century sources there was a guy called Othello in Venice and there was a Robin Hood in England. Safe to say that Shakespeare should not be used as a historical source. But some of his characters did exist.

@PlatinumAltaria

2 жыл бұрын

The difference being that King Richard III appears in the historical record and not just in stories, whereas Robin Hood does not.

@mattm8870

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlatinumAltaria the truth is there's are in fact a load of Robin/Robert Hood/Hod/Hode as it was a slang term for a robber/thief. It seems most likely the real Robin Hood was a poacher who poached from the king after all Sherwood was a king forest so all the animals in it belonged to the king.

Could authors have written the gospels without needing an historical kernel? I think examination of the canonical New Testament, Josephus and other related texts points to Yes. Fictional characters have fictional family members. James the “brother”’of Jesus is the strongest indication of historicity, and even that is indeterminate evidence. I think it’s entirely plausible that the Jesus myth is entirely fabricated.

@dan4lau

2 жыл бұрын

Even more though, fictional characters have *real* family members. Ragnar Lothbrock had several 'sons' who are very definitely reckoned to have been real Norse war leaders, but Ragnar himself is regarded by most scholars as fictional. So... outlandish and unlikely as it might be, it is even possible that James the brother of Jesus was real, but Jesus wasn't. Our supposed two early Anglo-Saxon kings are now reckoned originally to have been gods. So that happens too. Men become gods and gods become men. Quite a few historicists seem to portray the view that Jesus was entirely mythical as a wild and crazy conspiracy theory... I really don't think it is. It's an entirely plausible scenario, and at the moment I think the most likely one.

@mrmaat

2 жыл бұрын

@@dan4lau Good point.

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

when there was a kernel of believe and myth it was enough to spin a historical person from it. It did not need that many generations of people to tell each other about what they believed Jesus had done where and when before someone gathers it all and construct a solid "true" story about it as if it all really happened. just wondering how long it takes before people start claiming Harry Potter really existed. Quite a few fans have already figured out the dates of his life all on their own from a minimum of clues in the books or have made up theories that he is real and the author is a reporter who disguised his lifestory in a fantasy book. Ergo when enough people want to believe a certain figure is real, that figure eventualy becomes real.

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Andersen I Corintians 15:3 "For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures" .......and then he goes on. Question: HOW did he received this? handwritten wittnes account? or through vision? I Corinthians 15:8 "Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me" What could appear mean? in the flesh, an appearance, a vision, a dream, hearing voices? No where in I Corinthians is mentioned WHEN Paul had his vision. Nor WHERE he had his vision.

I basically just reached out to Bart last night for question right along these lines so very timely! Must have been god ordained appointment to have this information come out. Looking forward to this for sure!!

@isaacleillhikar4566

2 жыл бұрын

He got defeated by a Bible translator And a Christian epistemology proffessor.

Thanks for spreading the truth. I absolutely, love the background! 🤩

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

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@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST Zechariah And Nahum Scrolls Also Got Revealed And Unearthing The Bible Reveals 101 Archaeological Discoveries On The Lord

Ehrman briefly discusses that there are 'methods' for proving history. From what I understand, he normally does an extraordinary job of utilizing those methods in his work, except when it comes to proving a historical Jesus.

@terrybueneman5511

2 жыл бұрын

Meaning?

@michaelchampion936

2 жыл бұрын

The he seems to follow the process that apologist use rather than what historians use, but seeing as he got his history education in apologist institutions and not from a history department it's to be expected.

@jollyandwaylo

2 жыл бұрын

You need to give some examples of what you mean. Have you listened to Bart Ehrman or read his book on the subject. Just the fact that Paul goes and talks to Jesus' brother and some others that knew Jesus makes it pretty obvious that Jesus existed as a person. I don't see why that is any big deal since no one is worshipping Jesus because he merely existed.

@wjpperry1

2 жыл бұрын

Dr. Ehrman often sites the gospels and letters of Paul as multiple sources for the historicity of Jesus. And Josephus mostly referred to followers of Jesus and a supposed brother to a messiah, not ever saying he had evidence of such a person existing. There isn't secular writings about Jesus

@jollyandwaylo

2 жыл бұрын

@@wjpperry1 So do you think Paul was lying about meeting Jesus' brother? Why would he? Paul didn't know Christianity would become a world religion.

To me the evidence points to Jesus being a character filtered out of OT scripture, a sacred allegory was written about him set on Earth, and this story (a hazed mirror of OT scripture) became a doctrinal war. Then it was believed that the allegories were true.

@bleirdo_dude

2 жыл бұрын

The cursed fig tree story is original to Mark, and I never heard about it being added like the woman taken in for adultery in John which was most likely added later.

@dr.floridamanphd

2 жыл бұрын

I was working security at a synagogue once and I heard a rabbi say that if they wanted a Jesus character they could look to Samuel since much of the Jesus story parallels Samuel. The biggest difference is that Samuel wasn’t claiming to be a god or wasn’t represented as one.

@bleirdo_dude

2 жыл бұрын

@@dr.floridamanphd The thing is one of Jesus's main attributes is being the Divine Word, or God's utterences. So God's Divine Word written down (OT) is in part Jesus. Jesus parallels many of the Patriarchs in the Gospels.

@richardwilliams473

2 жыл бұрын

The human sacrifice of Jesus was just a follow on from the Old Testament animal sacrifices. In other words , Jesus was just conveniently a made up character

@bleirdo_dude

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardwilliams473 The early Christians were getting revelations of Jesus out of the OT. In Joshua it's the five kings (symbolic of flesh), and in Zechariah it's Joshua/Jesus tricking Satan then being exalted by God.

I have been waiting years for these two guys to talk on camera.

Ehrman's laugh is contagious

I find my own ideas about jebus very much in line with AronRa. The biblical jebus is fictional, at best based on a person or persons. Who wouldnt recognize himself in the stories. Maybe a traveling rabbi or a conartist which isnt unlikely either. But i do think Mythecism makes a very strong case too.

@grahvis

2 жыл бұрын

It is one thing to believe in and increase the following of someone who had actually existed and already had a small following and quite another to completely invent the character, even using mythical entities. All that is needed is then for the stories to be embellished over many years.

@Ugly_German_Truths

2 жыл бұрын

@@grahvis You mean like the Angel Moroni and the ancient Israelites who lived in the Americas? that sort of invented mythical figures giving a new religion a boost in followers despite being completely made up? What about Galactic Overlord Xenu?

@grahvis

2 жыл бұрын

@@mouthpiece200 . Not necessarily, that would be over 80 years after his birth. However he wouldn't need to have family in the area, itinerant preachers often wandered far from their original neighbourhood. Plus followers seldom fact check, look how easily flat earth youtubers get a mass of fans who don't fact check their claims.

@grahvis

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ugly_German_Truths . Joseph Smith attached his BS to and existing belief and Hubbard didn't try to persuade people to believe in Xenu at the start, whilst claiming a supreme being which many already believed, he trapped them with his personal development nonsense.

@lnsflare1

2 жыл бұрын

@@grahvis I mean, Abraham and Moses almost certainly never existed and they are generally credited as the primary founders of the Abrahamic faiths, and whose life and teachings are the cause of the entire Israel/Palestine conflict. Like, what were newly converted first century Roman peasants going to do? Drop everything and travel to Judea to fact check the claims of the guy who said that God would damn people to hell for insufficient faith?

I can't agree that Jesus and Lincoln are in the same level when it comes to historical evidence. The further back you go the more difficult it is to find good evidence. Considering that the amount of time that's passed since Jesus compared to Lincoln is different by an order of magnitude, that makes finding good evidence for Jesus far more difficult to find and establish.

@PlatinumAltaria

2 жыл бұрын

There are thousands of people we know about who lived at the same time as Jesus was supposed to. We know about people who lived long before then, too. It's only Jesus who seems to lack any evidence, I wonder what could explain that.

@VaughanMcCue

2 жыл бұрын

that makes finding ANY evidence for JC is far more difficult than getting a camel through the eye of the one eyed trouser snake.

@richardlawson6787

2 жыл бұрын

If he's god then he can make an appearance and clear everything up....we are waiting

@sananton2821

2 ай бұрын

@@PlatinumAltaria Jesus does not lack any evidence. He had multiple books written about him, letters written about him, churches founded based on his legend, and historians mentioning him in passing.

@PlatinumAltaria

2 ай бұрын

@@sananton2821 There are no historical documents mentioning Jesus, only those mentioning early Christians and their beliefs. Also, the Jedi have multiple books written about them, letters written about them, and even a church. People can make things up, that doesn't prove anything. There is no evidence that there was any basis for the character of Jesus, rather he was constructed by early Christian sects to match with preexisting jewish prophecies to legitimise their movement.

When do you do a clip about Zalmoxis as a prototype for Jesus?

I now want a T-shirt like that, Mr. Ra.

I think Price is correct. The only reason Mark gets dated to the 70’s is because of the reference to the temple destruction. There’s no reason it couldn’t be dated 30 years later. Joseph of Arimathea sounds a lot like Josephus Bar Mathea (which basically means Son of Mathea). Not to mention there is no place known to exist called Arimathia. Seems a bit too coincidental.

@MaryAnnNytowl

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, very good point! I've never even thought about it too deeply, but now that you say that, yeah, it fits!

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

Besides that Josephus wasn't particulairy hiding under a rock till he got some set of ink and parchment. He was very much a public figure and Mark must have been hiding under a rock when he have not heard of Josephus. As you said a bit too coincidental.

@canbest7668

2 жыл бұрын

So…the Price is right?

@isaacleillhikar4566

2 жыл бұрын

Did you know the date of Mark's martyrdom got recently moved by modern scholars too ? Look it up, his death is in the sixties and now there are two official death dates he has.

@canbest7668

2 жыл бұрын

@@isaacleillhikar4566 guess he came back from the first one!

I kind of disagree with Bart about it being the same when trying to show historicity ...that showing that more recent figures like Trump, Elvis, Lincoln, etc.., is the same as showing Jesus was historical. We have videos and/or pics of more modern figures, not so with the older figures. All we really have is what was written or passed down in stories, or artists conceptions of them. And the stories can be changed, added to, made legendary, etc..,

@styot

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I don't think Bart was claiming we should reach the same conclusions with the same level of confidence about all historical figures ever. Some of the stories are true, some of them aren't, he was just saying the tools for figuring out which is which are always the same. If we have photos of Trump, Elvis, Lincoln etc. then that ticks certain boxes that will never be ticked for ancient historical figures. But there are still tools to help decipher ancient history, or as much as is possible with the obvious limitations.

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

without making this case for a historical Jesus, comtempories like Elvis and Trump show how quick myths spring up, almost while we watching the real events. The first sightings of Elvis happened the day he died, the myths about Jan 6 started on Jan 7.

@PlatinumAltaria

2 жыл бұрын

Historical figures like Caesar are well documented at the same time, and their tales do not have any magical elements applied to them. The earliest mentions of jesus already have him as a magical figure, which suggests that's how the story started.

@KBosch-xp2ut

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlatinumAltaria Julius Caesar had all sorts of myth attached to the historical facts. The difference is that no one is arguing, or believes any longer, that Julius Caesar is descended from the goddess Venus, as a biography of him would have you believe at the time. Nor do we believe that he became a deity after his death.

Oh this is going to be exciting

Awesome video 👍

After reading all of Ehrman’s work and all of Carriers work and I agree with Carrier that there was likely no Jesus of Nazareth son of Joseph. There were at least 5 wannabe Jesus Christ’s that Josephus mentions.

@kirkmarshall2853

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.gaming6277On the Historicity of Jesus is a peer reviewed monograph from one of the most highly reputed biblical scholarship journal publishers. And there are at least 14 working scholars who are now mythicist agnostic or mythicist. Also the scholar who first proposed that the Patriarchs were fictional was mocked and rejected by the scholars of his time but now every single reputable scholar agrees that Abraham Moses and the rest of the characters up to David are all fictional. Daniel is fictional and several if not all of the prophets are either forgeries or the ramblings of crazy people.

@kirkmarshall2853

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.gaming6277 Bart seems to be unwilling to say Jesus as good as never existed because all the stories we have about him are fictional exaggerations. At the very most Jesus was just a foolish deluded ignorant Jewish supremacist who got exaggerated and worshipped by people who hated Jews which is hilariously ironic to me. Just as no one should respect the teachings of Muhammad no one should respect the teachings of Jesus like giving up all your possessions to follow him, or hating life and loving him. Straight up immoral.

@kirkmarshall2853

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Andersen my response is simple: The Fist of Jesus short film has a more consistent narrative than this mishmash of Bible quotes you’ve given me. Inspiring Philosophy is a dogmatic presuppositialist without any new or coherent ideas. Gary Habermas tries to hold up a story that breaks the laws of physics. No resurrection has ever literally happened like the one in the Bible. No one can walk to heaven as heaven is outer space and you can’t walk at escape velocity. The Bible makes no sense and The lord of the rings is as historically accurate as the Bible. Technically the Bible is more historically accurate cuz at least LOTR mentions other species of humans like Hobbits.

@kirkmarshall2853

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Andersen and that’s the thing bud the fact that you think someone else can atone for your wrongdoings by dying shows us how you will twist yourself into knots, believing a lie, just to avoid personal responsibility

@kirkmarshall2853

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Andersen your grammar is terrible and you are factually incorrect and your message is incoherent. Not once in this entire rambling nonsense have you once come close to making something resembling a point and we are all dumber for having listened to you. May the Flying Spaghetti Monster have mercy on your 🕳.

When I was in high school, around 1968 or '69. In Sunday school at the church my daddy preached at my older brother would refer to Jesus and the disciples as JC and the gang.😎

@wjpperry1

2 жыл бұрын

I saw both KC and the Sunshine Band, and Cool and the Gang in concert, so I can testify to their reality.

@dericanslum1696

2 жыл бұрын

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Could you please post your sources for the dates that biblical stories were written and things like that? That would immensely help in my debates with Christians

@paulmorris6177

2 жыл бұрын

I am assuming that you have not read ANY of his books...

@Timodj13

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulmorris6177 I have not read any of Aron Ra’s books.

*The Grand passage Tomb.* The Newgrange monument located in Ireland was constructed over fifty-two-hundred years ago defining the Winter solstice and celebrating a rebirth of the Sun. "Let the Sunshine In." Dayshavoo, thirty-two-hundred years later another rebirth in a tomb, only this one is missing the Sunshine......... Thank you “E pluribus Unum"

Listen, Bill O'Reilly says it happened. Are you calling Bill a liar? :o)

@allenhonaker4107

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know. Would Billy the Molester lie?

@Valdagast

2 жыл бұрын

@@allenhonaker4107 Surely not! The very thought. I think historians need a new criterion, which I shall call "Word of Bill" (also works for WLC)

Ehrman misses the point completely if he is trying to figure out which parts of the Gospel are historical and what was legend after the fact. This approach ignores the very probable scenario that the entire thing is aa fiction. First question should be is the Gospel in any way historical? Aside from the gospels mentioning some places (although getting the details wildly wrong) that existed and the mention of Pilate, there really is no evidence that anything in the gospels actually happened and much evidence that it is a fictional story. One of the reasons Ehrman comes across as unjustifiably arrogant is that he merely asserts historicity and insults those who disagree with him. If there is evidence Bart, what is it?

@natew.7951

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn't just "assert historicity". Dr. Ehrman and almost all scholars of this discipline begin with the assumption that nothing in the bible is historical fact. All gospels, not just the ones in the NT are treated the same by these scholars.

@dookdawg214

2 жыл бұрын

I can tell you haven't spent much time studying any of this. There are a lot of things scholars look at in ancient Christianity, including how and why various Christian tribes (like the Ebionites and the Nazarenes) sprung up so early in 1st century Palestine (at a time when it would've been harder to make it all up from scratch, given Jesus' contemporaries were still around) and how they were so very Jewish and at odds with the predominant form of Christianity that spread through Rome and Greece. Also, it's not fair to look at the Bible as a book of stories that are either fake or real. Most of the New Testament consists of letters that Paul wrote to his congregations. And although Paul never met Jesus (or claim to), the way he was forced to defend himself to his congregations vis-à-vis the Jewish Christians who (even by Paul's account) knew Jesus first-hand, is pretty good evidence that all the bickering back then was over a real religious leader named Jesus. What I suggest to you is, if you're interested in why most secular scholars believe Jesus of Christianity was a real person, get some books and read them, and check out some lectures too.

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

@@dookdawg214 why did various christian tribe like Ebionites and Nazarenes sprung up so early in the 1st century? Did they? There is a gap of almost 200 years between the Book of the Maccabees written and the first Christian writings. For as much as I know nothing much is recorded about what happened in two centuries. It could be likely that various tribes of what we now would call Christian started to form in those two centuries. And with having 10 Jews living in Diaspora since the Maccabees to 1 Jew in Judea, the probability that those various tribes started in the Diaspora is 10 to 1.

@dookdawg214

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamion53 Jewish Christian tribes were written about by Justin Martyr just a hundred years after Jesus' death, so they were already well established earlier. In any case, my point is that there is no logical reason to think that Jesus (the man) was made up from scratch. Because we know he had devout Jewish followers and a brother who were radically at odds with Paul (in terms of message), and all this noise is happening in the 50s and 60s, shortly after Jesus' death. Imagine seeing a bunch of people arguing about what a guy said and then deducting that the guy never existed. Makes no sense. The simplest explanation is that there was a real Jewish cult leader named Jesus who garnered a small following and then, after being crucified, that following solidified and grew. Paul was clearly trying to rebrand something that was already well established.

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

@@dookdawg214 Brace yourself this response is long ( and hopefully not too winding) The simplest explanation is that there was a real Jewish cult leader named Jesus is indeed the simplest explanation, but just because it is simple it doesn’t mean it is the only possible explanation. Although one has to give an explanation with making the fewest assumptions possible. This explanation I will call the Jesus Model in contrast to the Diaspora Model. I don’t think I make many assumptions stating there was Messianic movement among the Jews in Diaspora, Jews that settled in the Greek cities in the centuries before Christ. Or maybe better: before Pontius Pilate was governor in Judaea (27-37 AD) as Pilate is the only historically confirmed figure in the story. The Jesus Model indicated a movement in the isolation of Judaea, where the core of the Jews was pretty much against Hellinistic influences. Where in the Diaspora Model we have to take in account that the Jewish communities were exposed to Hellinistic influences and had to adapt to those. A group of immigrants can go different ways, one way is to petrify in believe, the other way is to adapt to the new environment. Both happened and it is easier to maintain the old ways when one is in bigger groups (for instance Alexandria) in most Greek cities the population of Jews was however was small. The change a gosher butcher set up shop is much smaller then in a city like Alexandria. So the Jews in for instance Corinth had to adapt. Over time there were far more Jews living outside Judea then inside Judea, spread over a far larger area those communities stayed relatively small compared to their Greek neighbors. I think it is wrong to make the assumption that after the Maccabees the Jews sat on their hands saying: “So now all we have to do is waiting for the Messiah to come, it may take 200 years, but who is making notes anyway.” The Dead Sea scrolls show that there was a lot of theological activity, at least in Judaea, but also in Alexandria and possible in other Greek cities. Believes change over time, they changed from the pre-Babylonic times to the post-Babylonic times and most likely changed in the Hellinistic times. And changes have much more chance to happen under a population of 10 million then under a population of 1 million (as seemed to have been the number of Jews outside Judaea versus the number of Jews inside Judaea.) The more exposure to other idea’s the more profound the change could have been. What profoundly changed was the transition from a cult that served and saved the community by rites, to a cult that provided personal and eternal saving. Savior cults were all around and at some stage the Messiah (the Anointed who would come to liberate the community) got equated with the Savior of the personal soul). In a later stage the third most common male name got attached to the Messiah or Christ. When and why that happened I don’t know, but it was at least before Paul wrote his first Epistle. Reading the Epistles without the foreknowledge we almost all got from the Gospels, one however would not conclude Paul is referring to a man that actually lived. When teaching Christianity early at school, they start with the juicy stuff from the Gospels and not with the boring letters from Paul, in spite of the fact the Epistle predated the Gospels. Assuming that Paul’s mentioning of Jesus was added later while copying his letters holds no ground, it is written in such way that the receivers of his letters knew exactly what he talking about. Paul writes his letters about two decades after Pilate ruled Judaea, to communities that were larger than one man and a horses head. And there the numbers don’t add up. Would these be communities as a result from an extending group of followers of one man, at that time there would be not enough followers to write to. The extending of a new religion is fairly well documented in the cases of the Mormon church or more recent Moon church. They both promise a Salvation like early Christianity and it showed that the grew with about 40% per decade. There is no reason to assume early Christianity had a different growing rate. When one starts with 12 disciples there would be only 35 Christians to read a letter from Paul. The 3000 converts at Pentecost in Acts 2:41 is just mythical writing, would 3000 the starting number with the same growth rate the number of Christians at the time of Constantine would be 7 times to total population of the Roman Empire. So both assumptions have a very low rare of probability. It is more likely a Christian community addressed by Paul was about 35 persons, being about 5 to 7 households. Yet in Philippians 1:1 Paul addressed bishops and deacons, which implies hierarchy and you don’t have much hierarchy with no numbers. So the number of Christians in the Greek communities must have been higher, how high is difficult to tell, but I don’t think it went beyond 200 people pro community. And that is the estimated number of Christian being 0,0023 % of the population of the Roman Empire at 50 A.D. neatly divided over the 7 communities the authentic Epistles of Paul were send to. With the growing rate of 40 % per decade that number can only be reach when those communities started years before Pilate ruled in Judaea. I cannot say what the number of a community is where the state of knowing each other personally changes to still having a sense of community without knowing the majority of members personally any more, but I am convinced it is larger than a few households. Would have been just a few households, they the community could have settled their internal differences on their own. With a growing congregation settling differences required meditation from outside the group, but by a mediator the whole group can trust. And that was what I think Paul was doing in his Epistles.

I saw this vid show up on my suggestions I never clicked so fast.

Love your glasses, Dr. Ehrman.

I have now watched Dr Ehrman in 2 separate clips, the other was with Thomas Westbrook. Maybe it's me but I find him slightly obnoxious and at times condescending. (his laugh doesn't help either). I'm not disputing his knowledge, I am questioning his logic. There are times when he appears to be using the bible as his claim that Jesus was real. This is not a good argument as Harry Potter could be claimed to be real in the same sense. I know he cites non-canonical sources as well but is there any reason to believe that these portray a real person? He is quick to shut down any other line of reasoning which is not a good trait in someone who is trying to justify anything with minimal historical evidence. Aron, I always love watching your videos mainly because you are taking a purely scientific approach and questioning everything possible, whilst providing factual evidence of your claims but Dr Ehrman appears to have gone passed the questioning stage and believing his own hype. I'm sure many will disagree with me. Happily I live in a country when free speech is still allowed.

@mrjdgibbs

2 жыл бұрын

From the perspective of a historian someone who disnisses"the bible" as a source kinda doesn't get it. The new testament contains multiple sources that don't lose value simply by virtue of their compilation into a religious anthology. As such they need to be examined within the context of the time they were written etc... The question being asked is what are the origins of Christianity. And the one thing that just about all the early sources agree on is that there was a Jesus. Were there no Jesus one would hope to be able to find evidence of multiple stories about a specific apocalyptic prophet converging over time. There is none. We enter the 1st century with no Jesus and by the second half of the century there's a widespread following. The most parsimonious explanation is that he existed. Combine that with the fact that ascribing divine attribute to living people was a thing that was done all the time and it turns out there's nothing special about it

Aron Ra looks like Vincent from The Beauty And The Beast t.v. show from back in the day..

*finally* ! Aron able to have a discussion with an intelligent person.

Ehrman is everywhere at the moment! What's up?

Erhman still claiming Jesus existed.

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

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@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST Zechariah And Nahum Scrolls Also Got Revealed And Unearthing The Bible Reveals 101 Archaeological Discoveries On The Lord

I am really enjoying this. Wow!

@danscalone8110

2 жыл бұрын

Are you two going to be at the same event sometime soon? I would travel to be there!!!

What a team!! Love it, but much too short.

@HolyRainbowism

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelordjesus1136 Hey, Jesus, your fantasies don’t work here. I have waisted precious 26 years of my life believing your dogmatic propaganda and all the other diabolical mythological stories of the Bible, but a few years ago i saw the light, reality has set me free and now i’m free indeed. Amen and hallelujah!

@tgstudio85

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelordjesus1136 You still don't have any evidence for your claims kiddo.

The comment about Islam co-opting Jesus in the same way the Christians co-opted John the Baptist is a very interesting and useful observation. I've been consuming Atheist media for decades now, and never heard that particular angle. Thanks for that.

Excellent. 👏👏

The Historical Jesus figure or figures was either a con man faith healer, cult leader, doomsday prophet preacher, heretical Jewish Rabbi philosopher, or most likely an amalgamation of those as several, different, real people and figures; either of which became the inspirational basis for the fictional Biblical Jesus character.

I always enjoy AronRa. I spent about 10 years studying history and lore of the Bible. So much out there and I always learn something new from AronRa that fascinates me. Barbara Thiering's book is a fascinating read "Jesus the Man", so is "Woman with the Alabaster Jar". I always correct people when they say, " Jesus said..." and remind them that was "Paul who said...". Most people are Paulist not Christians.

Curious to know, did you agree with what he said about the story from Josephus and Luke not being the same or more with what Robert Price said ? You had said that you read the two and thought you were reading the same story, Ehrman said he didn't think so....... You both just sort of left it at that so I was curious.

I'm looking for a good study Bible. Any suggestions?

@paulmorris6177

2 жыл бұрын

What are you looking for exactly? There ARE "study bibles" but a lot of people say that the KJV is the only "true" bible. If that is the case and you take them at their word (for debate purposes only because the first question/problem that they throw out is, "Well, what bible are YOU using?" in an attempt to demonstrate that you're not using the "right" bible). The KJV has appendixes that accompany them that explains it (let's face it, not a lot of people speak 17th century English...lol)! These Appendixes are from The Companion Bible, which is a King James Version Bible. The great thing about this KJV bible is that it has a companion column running alongside the Holy Scriptures. This "companion column" is not a commentary on the Scriptures. Instead, this column contains critical, explanatory and suggestive notes. Hope this helps...

Bart was hitting these channels hard before his seminar!

We love you AronRa! Great videos, man.

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

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@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST For By Jesus All Things Are Created I'm Here For The News Of The Kingdom Of God And While Religion Has You Doing Good Deeds To Earn Salvation The Biblical Jesus Died And Rose Again For The Forgiveness Of Sin And By Grace You Are Saved So You Walk In Him For He Loved Us So We Love The Lord

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

#JESUS FIRST These Resources Are To Be Viewed Through A Gentle Context Amen Jesus Is Love And The Only Way To Be Saved Is Through The Jesus Of The Bible The Creator And It's The Free Gift Of God But May We Honor The Lord Jesus And No Longer Live For Ourselves But To The Lord

@jesuslord6822

2 жыл бұрын

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@johnniebrown5504

2 жыл бұрын

@@jesuslord6822 Jesus was fake bruh

Aron with another great shirt.