why “mother!” is so rarely brought up? she was great in it and film was really interesting in itself

@Ohhhoneyyy

Жыл бұрын

Yup. Period .

@heavensophia9382

Жыл бұрын

@Samibamiwami The baby scene was epic level horror.

@Readysetgo2007

Жыл бұрын

​@Samibamiwami I think that role was emotionally exhausting (got that picture from an interview with her). I'm thinking about watching this movie. Is it very scary?

@npats550

Жыл бұрын

She was disturbed by a lot of "Mother", allegedly...yet afterwards dated the director 22 yrs older, saying he was such a visionary and the film was so wonderful because of the symbolism or something. Also the time she blamed Trump for the hurricanes? She's also known as being a Harvey's Girl- as in Wine.$t.3ln. And knew in advance that she was winning that Oscar for Silver Linings Playbook, in an interview I saw a couple of years ago. The role was supposed to have been Angelina Jolies and she admitted to being too young for the role but was given it anyway. She wasn't bad in it, but I don't think she was especially memorable either. I didn't think Passengers was that bad- I quite liked it for what it was. The ones that did really badly were Serena and Pemberton? It was also alleged by another Hollywood figure that let's say that she was used to the casting couch. Hence the Oscar. Like Gwyneth Paltrow. And Jessica Chastain, (who's films I found to be quite uninteresting), and happened to feature, Jennifer Lawrence. Salacious rumours or not, the films that I thought she excelled in was the Hunger Games (except the last one for several reasons not her acting), and indeed, her early ones, the first 2 X-men, prequels and the masterful Winter's Bone. She deserved the Oscar for that one but sadly didn't get it.

@parklady4233

Жыл бұрын

I loved , “Mother”!!! And, I think it having movie stars may have made people who was not it’s audience show up and give negative reviews. It will be a cult classic, just give it time.

Why cant a woman just genuinely be cool and creative.... without it being called a "cool girl act"

@Thewatchful_I

7 ай бұрын

Because of her seemingly staged shenanigans. Like Making crass blowjob jokes in interviews and falling twice

@kathrynaguenza4508

7 ай бұрын

I agree. It's sexist to label her personality as a "cool girl act" just because it doesn't fit the mold of how people think hollywood actresses should behave.

@andrewbaumann2661

5 ай бұрын

Even JL said that she was doing what she thought people wanted. It is therefore an act.

@lilacdreams5966

5 ай бұрын

The genuine part appeared missing to me

@coco-kl3xr

5 ай бұрын

couse cool girl suppress her emotions and always try hard to act chill . It's good to be a chill person but don't be extremely fake accept your emotions.

mid career?? she's like 30!!

@ghju

Жыл бұрын

I came to say exactly this 😳 Wow. I wonder what it is about JLaw that makes them say this and not about idk, Pattinson, Radcliffe or Hemsworth. I can't quite put my finger on it 🤔 I'm bummed to know that actresses I love like Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron, Natalie Portman, Jessica Chastain, Rose Byrne, Christina Ricci or Reese Witherspoon are ready to retire. And God help my geriatric crew Sandra Bullock, Cate Blanchett, Courteney Cox, Helena Bonham Carter, Jodie Foster, Jamie Lee Curtis, Sigourney Weaver, Michelle Pfeiffer and Meryl feckin' Strip. Luckily we still have a large pool of talented actresses to play opposite newcomers deserving of some spotlight like that promising Clint Eastwood guy. He'll soon become a household name. Mark my words.

@DerMoerpler

Жыл бұрын

​@@ghju "Mid career" is used for any time that's not the first or last few years, it doesn't necessarily mean the actual midpoint (because how could you even know without a magical crystal ball). Jennifer Lawrence isn't a newcomer anymore and she's not retiring from acting in the foreseeable future, so she's "mid career". It's a common expression and not that deep.

@ghju

Жыл бұрын

@@DerMoerpler Ah, yes, the evergreen "it's not that deep". Funny how it's never deep when it's about something directed at women and not men. The irony of you mansplaining this is not lost on me 😂 Edit: there's also a word for an ongoing job: career. I know I know, it's kinda simplistic. But hear me out: when you go from point A (newcomer) to point B (retired or 💀) it's pretty useful to have a way to describe that part. It's a bit like not needing to add mid to "journey/trip" or "afternoon" or even "adolescence". Crazy concept but it might work 🤔

@DerMoerpler

Жыл бұрын

@@ghju @G M "Mid career renaissance" was used for Matthew McConaughey when he was in his very early 40s - by that logic, that would be too early either. If you google the term, you'll see plenty examples of men from different fields. What term would you use if you want to specify the point in time Jennifer Lawrence is at in her career right now? She's not a newcomer, but she's not part of the old guard either, so she's somewhere in the middle of her career. "Mid is literally used anytime someone means "not the start and not the end". You get interrupted mid conversation, no matter how long you have talked. Athletes stumble mid throw. It's a common expression. Also, I don't know if you watch this channel a lot, but deconstructing double standards like the one you accuse them of here is their bread and butter. I'm sure they didn’t aim to disparage Jennifer Lawrence.

@nobodyelse7911

Жыл бұрын

​@@ghju the haters and all will keep saying shit, let's support our talent and give them spotlight

That box is honestly just the Hollywood machine that puts mainstream actors in mainstream movies. As if popular celebrities can not do indie films because they’re supposed to be “above it” even though Hollywood movies are frankly far more stagnant and restrictive.

@julietterogers6887

Жыл бұрын

If you mean by restrictive that the screen plays follow screenplay writing Online protocols which are most often agonizingly predictable & have equally predictable endings, I totally agree with you.

@phoebexxlouise

Жыл бұрын

It's because casting directors, who are the ones who find talent, do not have power to put people where they can shine best. Directors and producers decide which actors get cast. And usually it's based on attractiveness and popularity rather than suitability.

@katiehorneshaw995

Жыл бұрын

There are some big names who've somehow sidestepped the blockbuster machine: Robert Patinson did it by writing personally to small indie directors whose work he liked. Good Time was purpose-written for him to star in after he contacted the safdie brothers saying he loved their work. He's also done stuff like The Lighthouse, which is about as indie as it gets. If you're huge star, I imagine it's got everything to with your agent/agency.

@alim.9801

Жыл бұрын

The blame almost completely falls on casting directors

@minxymoo2325

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more a money thing. Their managers get more money so their managers put them in for bigger movies. Jennifer said her managers were hiding offers from her because they wanted her to accept bigger paying roles instead of indie films.

I loved her in Don't Look Up

@JessicaMiller-pc4dj

Жыл бұрын

She was epic in that role.

@AnneettaLife

Жыл бұрын

I thought she was fun to watch, but the movie isn’t that great.

@aditisk99

Жыл бұрын

I loved her outbursts in that.

@submissiveproviderstboth9485

Жыл бұрын

The way they kept roasted her bangs 😂

@beeben5260

Жыл бұрын

You have poor taste.

Its always after the have made a gazillion dollars and huge fame that they “lost themselves”… I’m lost too, still trying to even make a mark haha.

@birdlover7776

Жыл бұрын

I feel ya!

@minxymoo2325

Жыл бұрын

Jennifer literally said her managers were hiding scripts sent to her because they wanted her to accept higher paying roles (since they get a percentage of her pay). Basically they were lying to her about what movies wanted her so she would only think big movies waned her. She said she hated doing the X-men movies. She wanted to do indie movies, but she thought none of them wanted her. Really, her managers were lying to her. So she was forced to keep doing movies she hated. She literally demanded they kill her character off in the last X-Men she was in because she hated it so much and no longer wanted to be a part of it. Of course she was lost! Her team was lying to her and forcing her into roles she hated! She fired them all by the way.

@jan-willembavinck3650

Жыл бұрын

Logical though, you can only afford to be picky once you made millions by not being picky.

@melindamercier6811

Жыл бұрын

It is a pretty tone deaf complaint.

@silverpenn3809

11 ай бұрын

​@@minxymoo2325"forced" 😂😂😂😅

Her publicist really did their homework. I hope they're paid well.

This channel and the phrase "The cool girl!" go hand in hand lmao.

@melodramatic7904

Жыл бұрын

it applies though. She really was putting on a "cool girl" act but couldn't keep it up.

@Wonderlandish

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. “Mid-carreer” when the actress is like, 30? Men are playing teens at that age

@beeben5260

Жыл бұрын

​@@Wonderlandish Who? can you name a actor who in his 30 s played a teenager?

@Wonderlandish

Жыл бұрын

@@beeben5260 I raise you Ian Somerhalder, almost all of the cast of Grease, Andrew Garfield, the dude who played Hannah Montana’s brother, off the top of my head. It’s very much not uncommon

@beeben5260

Жыл бұрын

@@Wonderlandish not uncommon for either sex then .

I love that thought process. She felt more like a celebrity than an actor so she took back her creativity

Why is this same story blowing up all over the place? It makes me feel like the "Hollywood Machine" is trying to reinvent her. Again.

@marya5925

Жыл бұрын

But it will fail. Again. Becouse Harvey Weinstein is jailed and can't save her career. She will become a C list actress.

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

Gotta reinvent her image after she destroyed it by running her mouth

She thinks she was the first lead as a female action star 😂😂😂

I liked passengers, although it wasn't the "titanic" they probably wanted. But it was still good. I'm so glad to see Causeway, a indie, taking Jen back to her roots. Similar to winter's bone, it'll greatly show her emotion and close up acting.

@your_average_joe5781

Жыл бұрын

Passengers was a great movie!! Not perfect but still... It makes you wonder if you would have done the same thing if you were in that situation 👍

@annebugaoan1508

Жыл бұрын

I love her looks and her acting in Causeway. I hope she make a comedy with Jonah Hill 🙏🙏🙏

She's returning to the art of acting instead of the fame of it, good for her!!

@harrychapin808

Жыл бұрын

U believe that BS?!!

@ang5798

Жыл бұрын

@@harrychapin808 it seems you're taking this much too personal

@RamonPalomino85

Жыл бұрын

she had to save Hollywood in becoming the first female action star. (sarcastic tone)

Imho, she is overrated. I don't quite get what people see in her.

Good for her. She's very talented, I'm looking forward to seeing what she does next. But not the voice over of her saying she felt in a box with the footage of katniss trapped in that hunger games tube! lmao

I don’t think Passengers was that bad!! It’s a fun movie. I think her worst film was Red Sparrow or whatever it’s called.. the rest of her work is quite good.

@rickyroberson1126

Жыл бұрын

I loved Red Sparrow. Her Russian accent & mannerisms were as authentic as it gets

@tyriaxepheles7996

Жыл бұрын

A lot of people hated Passengers because they made a romance movie out of what should be a stalker thriller. The guy ruined her life but the movie tries to make the audience cheer for him to get together with her

@rickyroberson1126

Жыл бұрын

@@tyriaxepheles7996 well technically, he found how to send her back in cryosleep at the end but there was only room for one & he told her she should take it but she was in love with dude & she chose to live out the rest of her days with him.

@zaram1492

Жыл бұрын

@@tyriaxepheles7996 oh yeah I totally agree! I’m not saying it’s an incredible movie but it’s an ok one that could have been better but I don’t hate it.. if that makes sense

@kitsch_bitch

Жыл бұрын

People hated passengers because it was advertised as some creepy sci-fi thriller and therefore the audience didn't get what they expected

i rewatched the first 2 hunger games for the first time in a long time as an adult and wow she was so young and literally carried these films on her back!! she is really talented as an actress and i knew she stood on business when i saw mother like it blew me away. her prime was probably during thg fame but she is here to stay as one of the most talented actresses under 35.

Mother!, And Silver lining playbook are my favorite performances from her

Calling Passengers a flop is triggering to me 😬😬 It was one of the rare good movies with an original, creative idea that came out in recent years

@your_average_joe5781

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely 👍. It makes you wonder what you would do if you were in that situation. Do you die alone or take someone with you? Great movie 🍿🎥

@Heykay34

6 ай бұрын

Yeeesss I liked it a lot very original and I thought the ending was beautiful 😊

No matter what you think about her public persona, she is undeniably talented

@2501vai

Жыл бұрын

Nope, sorry. Overrated plank of wood imo

People have been so hard on her for being the “cool girl” when really she was just being herself. ❤️Jlaw

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

No they were hard on her for all the activist drivel👍

I really liked passengers lol

@mimah1015

Жыл бұрын

Me too!

@your_average_joe5781

Жыл бұрын

It was a great movie. Makes you wonder if you would have done the same thing if you were in that situation 👍

@Aaron-kj8dv

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha so did I

She seems so much more relaxed and authentic when speaking, even just in this short clip. It’s a wonderful thing to see.

Being the first black woman to be in action movies in history has been hard for her.

I stg if you use the cool girl term one more time 😹😹😹

Oh!?!? I thought this was about her actually trying to act like the stereotypical relatable cool girl not based on the roles that she had chosen to take up till now so far. It came across as forced and not funny at all.

@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim

Жыл бұрын

yep, same

@minxymoo2325

Жыл бұрын

She only chose roles because her team was hiding offers from her, claiming she only had offers from big movies like X-Men. Jennifer hated doing those movies. She has since fired her team and plans to do a lot more indie films.

@flazeda8743

Жыл бұрын

So true. She was trying hard to look fun and cool like Katy Perry did, it was an act and forced.

@beeben5260

Жыл бұрын

Yep now that ' the cool girl' persona won't get her roles or money she has changed her persona to get attention,roles cash now it's her 'serious' actress phase 🙄. Like these two old ladies who run this channel should be aware that Jennifer Lawrence public persona isn't her but she is as narcissistic and shallow as the personas she plays for the public.

I don't think it was a complete act, she was obviously always a wild child growing up, she just grew up and changed

I think she has showed us enough.

@burpie3258

Жыл бұрын

Nope. I want more.

Don’t forget she can afford doing a smaller role instead, because she already is a famous multi-millionaire… If she wasn’t that known and at the start of her career trying to get a foot in the door in the acting world like millions of other young women who aren’t as lucky as her, she wouldn’t be able to "just do what feels right" or pick a smaller role over a bigger role because her creativity and being "authentic to herself" means more to her than money and fame. That’s because she already has a ton of money and fame and doesn’t need more. I like JLaw and she has every right to do indie movies instead of bigger Hollywood movies, I just think we all need to realize how privileged she is in that decision, and in general.

@birdlover7776

Жыл бұрын

Yes agreed

@npats550

Жыл бұрын

That's a great analysis and comment, about the industry in general. IMHO

can we just acknowledge that she was AWFUL in American hustle, the multiple accents and bad fake crying

@birdlover7776

Жыл бұрын

Lol I didn’t see it. But it sounds like she was miscast

@doroparker1702

5 ай бұрын

She played the wife in a toxic relationship in American hustle. She looked and played this wife very convincing. From trashy and drunk to glamorous, she was very believable in this role.

She's really going out of her way to defend choosing passengers

@jun9475

Жыл бұрын

There's no way to defend that movie 😂😂

@i.1213

Жыл бұрын

I actually loved it. MUCH better than the over-acted and over-emotional “Interstellar”.

@your_average_joe5781

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was a great movie 🍿🎥

@JoyofBooking

Жыл бұрын

I loved that movie until Lawrence Fishbourne showed up, he ruins everything

Oh please she was always such a try hard being "normal" 🙄

@ShanyShannon

Жыл бұрын

yeah fully agree she tries to act like the relatable cool girl all the time.

@burpie3258

Жыл бұрын

@@ShanyShannon ...And this video is explaining how she's stepping away from that. Did you miss that part?

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

​@@burpie3258yeah because she fucked her career running her mouth👍

@missfefeloves

Ай бұрын

@@burpie3258they’re slow or something cos that’s literally what the videos about

All her movie's are the Greatest, just love her acting.

I actually have nothing against Jennifer Lawrence but it's so clear that this channel gets paid by PR people to put out positive content for specific types of actresses. They probably see that this channel's metrics show the perfect demographic to be susceptible to PR packaged as a video essay.

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I think she's doing more indie stuff now because she ran her mouth too much.

Winter's Bone us an honestly amazing film. I can't wait to see what she does next

Passengers was good

@your_average_joe5781

Жыл бұрын

Great movie 🎥👍

I love that she got married and have kids. Some women just want to conquer more and more putting aside the most important thing which is real love

She’s not even a good actress

@thisisnotausernameXD

Жыл бұрын

I used to think she was overrated as an actor until I finally watched Winter's Bone. But she did not particularly grow as an actor after that, imo.

@nobodyelse7911

Жыл бұрын

Yeah she's a great actress

@birdlover7776

Жыл бұрын

I want to say she’s overrated and overpaid

Now she’s made a movie that people responded to like her first breakout one - isn’t that responding to what she thinks the public wants to see her in ? Doing the same thing - trying to give what others want to see her in . She’s not growing she’s reverting

But, but...she's more than a Cool Girl. She's the pioneer of strong female leads in action films!

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

Haha good stuff. And the shills wonder why she gets flak.

She was my fave actress...in a way, she still is

wdym katniss wasnt her breakout role

@minxymoo2325

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it said it was her breakout role? Just her most popular.

Well she’s over now. I identify as Jennifer Lawrence as the worlds first female action star. On Wednesday’s I identify as Dylan as the worlds first woman.

Passengers is one of my favs 😭

And this my friends is the very reason we love her

She should've never of second guessed who she was.

She has so much inherently raw talent! Winter’s Bone & Silver Linings revealed that. I don’t know how she got roped into that alien sy-fy crap. Adele was right. I really hope for some talented screen plays for her in the future.

@MalissiaCreates

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely loved Passengers. I just wished they would have changed the POV to her character and it would have been sooo much more interesting for the audience.

Jennifer's charm and intelligence always made her interesting to me. Love that girl .

I love her!

I loved her as Ree in “Winter’s Bone”. She was fantastic! I’ve read the book too and she embodies the character so well. Definitely check it out if you have not seen it. You will not be disappointed 😊

There's a new film being cast- "SPOOEY FACE." I wonder if she'll audition 4 the part. She looks so natural with SPOOEY stuck to her face. Nobody wears SPOOEY better than her- She's definitely a Renaissance Woman!!

Imagination of being the 1st action star. Stop trying to protect her.

When was she the cool girl?

....ahhh the first female actionhero

Thank you JLaw for inventing cinema, and the wheel. And electricity. And being the first female to breath air. Thank you.

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

Underrated comment

She’s the first ever female action hero, films didn’t exist before 1990 😂

poor thing

Usually it's a mistake when actors try to move away from the type of roles that made them popular. Look ain't Daniel Radcliffe, if you ain't a wizard we aren't interested mate.

I like Passengers.

@your_average_joe5781

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely 👍

Mid career? She’s 32

Winter's Bone is fantastic. If you like Jennifer, just get past the name and watch it. You won't regret it.

LMAO the PR move

She’s always been herself

She has never watched an action movie with a female lead. She thought she was the only one. She hasn't seen many movies at all.

She never finished high school or got her GED perhaps after she has her children she will have time for herself

She enjoyed being the cool girl and the celebrity. She lost momentum because she couldn't control her words and ego. Now, she no longer has the fanbase she once had and blames Passengers for that. By the time the movie came out, she already had lost some of her fans. And lets not forget her closeness with HW.

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

Preach!

The girl who thinks she is the only female action hero !!

I liked passengers

@your_average_joe5781

Жыл бұрын

Great movie 🎥👍

That movie Joy was pretty badass. The ending title is the reason you should watch the whole thing! Jennifer Lawrence will always be cool and dominate! She should go for roles like the women she depicted in Joy. I don’t like that most actors confusing suffering with wanting to connect with audience members. You’re all superstars. People want to see you in roles that make us smile. Roles that remind us about the triumph of the human spirit!

She's just another Hollywood actor who thinks she has an opinion that matters.

Her Oscar was the last gift her pal Harvey gave to her, so sweet

@Zac-oz9lj

Жыл бұрын

You’re literally blaming a victim for the abuse of a man. She was just a young woman, they were not friends.

@satwikbardhan3245

Жыл бұрын

@@Zac-oz9lj the victim blaming just never goes away does it.

@marya5925

Жыл бұрын

This and then when he got arrested her whole career failed. Everyone in Hollywood knows ahe is a casting couch actress.

she’s always been talented and heartwrenching to watch with an amazing body of work. a woman should not be judged past that because men aren’t.

Sold her soul to Weinstein and then got paid 20 mil to show her bush in some terrible movie. Yuck, pass, just disappear Jlaw, I’ve had enough. I wish I could watch anyone else in hunger games

@thomasboushier2972

11 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, she was in Kentucky and dropped out of school at the age of 14....She learned nothing from what happened to Britney Spears....

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

​@@thomasboushier2972ha, nice. No wonder she thinks she was the first female action star

@thomasboushier2972

5 ай бұрын

@gobagem6132 Okay, there are bad and good things about Jennifer Lawrence...On the one hand, she's 5'9", so she can't wear high heels to go dancing with shorter guys...Too, she didn't want a college education...She wanted to be an actress before she was 20 years old... She was born, however, on 15 August, 1990, which is a very holy day...She got married to a fellow who's older than she is, and she has never been divorced... If she wanted to introduce herself to me, I'd hope she not be egotistical, have a good sense of humor, stay sober, and at least be sociable... So, thanks, and Happy New Year...

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

@@thomasboushier2972 well if you're going to be some mouthpiece parroting the elites, it would be nice if she was at least educated. Happy new year. Hope it doesn't take a war to right this ship, but I already know you can't vote your way OUT of tyranny

“Passengers” was a good story that was edited to make the male protagonist not look like a jerk. He was a jerk and they should have started the movie when Aurora woke up and the audience learn what happened to him at the same time Aurora does. The movie could have been very interesting because he made her not a passenger but a prisoner on that ship and then she choose to save everyone on the ship including him in an act of selflessness and heroism. But, nah the director / editors ruined it.

She is a great example of the proof of the "cool girl" trope Gillian Flynn wrote about

Wasn’t she the first female action star? She wasn’t? How good of herself to correct herself lol

and she paved the way for female lead action heros around the world..a true pioneer in movies.

Or could it be she dialing back after claiming she was the 1st strong female lead?

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

Yeah. My guess is she's been getting shit for roles and this rebrand is part of her image consultant's damage control

I can’t wait for the jlaw renaissance

Let Jennifer talk about Jennifer. Some woman telling me how she thinks is ridiculous.

Passengers is my favourite Jennifer Lawrence film.

Let's all praise Jennifer Lawrence for paving the way for all women to be in action movies!!

She was never hotter than she was in passengers- the fan in me is here for her going back to her indie roots, but the dog in me can’t help but point that out

Can’t wait. She’s a great actress

You go, girl.

Our country is in tge state its in cause of these people like they are so dam interesting

Hell ya baby 👶 Hurray for Jennifer Lawrence Also would like to see her in another comedy but I can behind this as well 👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👏👏😱

I heard her agent was behind it like Jennifer didn’t kno they were passing up a lot of roles like indie films & other good projects looking only for big blockbuster roles like Passengers.

She invented the female hero. Lol

I don’t understand how Passengers was a flop. I LOOOVE that movie!!!!

Winters Bone is one hell of a book/movie.

As an Indian it really feels odd that celebrity and actor are two different terms.🙂🙂🙂

I loved Winters Bone and I loved Passengers. ! She got negative criticism from a group that have the power these days to destroy.

I don't know why passengers did so badly, I loved that movie

This is the type of information that improves absolutely nothing in my life.

Translation: after delivering box office bombs after bombs in recent time, and losing popular relevancy due to the preachy political stance, now she will do indie films as she’s no longer marketable for the mainstream audience.

@gobagem6132

5 ай бұрын

That's right. You read between the lines!👍

Translation: "I'm so much more important than the roles that made me important." Reality: "No. You're not."

Winters Bone was her best BY FAR. She’s an actor and needs to be more discerning .

I think mother! was her best work and severely underrated as a film

I think she was genuinely the guy's girl because she grew up with brothers in Kentucky riding horses. People loved that about her because it was refreshing and relatable until, like with everything, they got sick of it and bullied her for being a fake cool girl. She may have leaned into it a bit, I admit. But now she dipped out, tries not to be noticed because she saw the nasty side of fame when you stop being the darling. And we are celebrating that she toned herself down to avoid constant critisism by the media and twitter "fans"?