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@jennerick92jm

3 жыл бұрын

Do a take on acrimony please

@ceterisparibus8966

3 жыл бұрын

@Aristotle was Not a fan of Plato Good point!

I love the character of Amy Dunn. To me, she's a villain in a story with no heroes. It's so rare to see a truly evil villain in a female character.

@fredpeterson75

3 жыл бұрын

You summed up my thoughts perfectly. I never rooted for her as the title suggests, but I am fascinated by her. She's terrifying and I love that. Finally a villain that isn't patronizing to women. She's brutal, cold, and calculating. Amazing.

@FabalociousDee

3 жыл бұрын

As a villain, Amy is one of the best in movie history. Gillian Flynn is an incredible writer.

@inessa5923

3 жыл бұрын

"A villain in a story with no heroes." Read the book and watched the movie years ago, but never knew how to put it into words. They're all assholes. Brilliant.

@Frosting1000

3 жыл бұрын

Omg the “no heroes” thing is so true. The characters she screws over don’t necessarily deserve to be murdered or framed for murder, but they’re not innocent decent guys either. Everyone’s a scumbag

@sophiarodriguez3706

3 жыл бұрын

YES!

Amy: “I watched Adam Sandler movies.” That, alone, is enough to drive anyone over the edge into insanity.

@christinacatalano

3 жыл бұрын

💀😂

@tweedlebug123

3 жыл бұрын

I actually enjoy some of Adam Sandler's movies, especially his rom-coms with Drew Barrymore. I think they're cute. Silly and dumb, but cute. But i realize he's not everyone's taste and i can understand why.

@ceterisparibus8966

3 жыл бұрын

STFU. Adam Sandler is a good person and actor.

@angelin_roy

3 жыл бұрын

fr I never understood his hype

@Annabellethedoll666

3 жыл бұрын

@@ceterisparibus8966 chill kid

"The idea that a woman's character can't or shouldn’t be evil is sexist in itself."

@neha4871

2 жыл бұрын

I love this comment

@stanleyshady9465

2 жыл бұрын

cuz their motives are shallow and simple minded born from jealousy

@ilovebread9842

2 жыл бұрын

@@stanleyshady9465, go touch some grass

@ducktsu7767

2 жыл бұрын

@@stanleyshady9465 so..villains???

@cackerzoe2425

2 жыл бұрын

@@stanleyshady9465 uh wtf are you even referring to?

What made the story so interesting was that with her intelligence, Amy could've easily killed Nick and covered it up if she wanted to. However, her choice to instead punish Nick through public perception gives the whole movie another layer of depth that brings in gender dynamics to explore.

@sharonjensen3016

Жыл бұрын

She could have killed Nick and Andie, and made it look like a double suicide.

@heloisaalmeida1243

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@sharonjensen3016I think she didn't care that much about Andie, Andie was an accessory. Amy was married to Nick and she knows that.

@Mia_M

9 ай бұрын

@@heloisaalmeida1243 eh, her reaction when she sees Andie on camera speaks volumes. She cared, she just wasn't Amy's target.

@greywolf7577

9 ай бұрын

I think if it had been a husband getting revenge on a cheating wife by making it look like she was guilty of murder, people would just view him as evil without trying to justify his actions in any way. The only reason Amy is seen as "complex" rather than just evil is because of her gender.

@Mia_M

8 ай бұрын

@@greywolf7577but she’s not just evil. That’s a static way of viewing her character. There are factors that play into why she’s the way she is. Her parents created an ideal version of their daughter that caused psychological damage to their daughter because it was a version of perfection she could never be. They were too busy praising their fictional daughter, instead of nurturing their actual daughter. Everyone has always just wanted parts of her even Nick. Not saying she isn’t completely psychotic but it didn’t occur in a vacuum.

Rosamund Pike should have won the Oscar for this role... Her "cool girl" monologue lives rent free in my mind

@Luvie1980

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. She was robbed!

@maggiemcfly5267

3 жыл бұрын

Who won that year?

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

@@maggiemcfly5267 Julianne Moore won for "Still Alice." 💖

@fromthehaven94

3 жыл бұрын

@@maggiemcfly5267 Julianne Moore, for "Still Alice". She won in the Al Pacino "Scent of a Woman" fashion, being nominated multiple times, but having an okay enough performance to get their first win. At Rosamund Pike's expense, who performed the hell out of a role that was as far from Oscar bait as possible.

@MW-xd6hy

3 жыл бұрын

Oh i watch that monologue at least once a month, it's epic honestly. And the comment section underneath the video clip is gold

Rosamund Pike was Jane in Pride and Prejudice, this woman's range is astonishing

@csillakaszas7285

3 жыл бұрын

omg, I've never noticed it!

@calisha1889

3 жыл бұрын

That was the first role I saw her in and I loved her portrayal of Jane so much. The complete opposite of Amy lmao

@-Zer0Dark-

3 жыл бұрын

I had only ever seen her in Doom, which isn't a movie that did much to flatter anyone in it. lol When I saw Gone Girl, I was blown away. She made me truly, deeply hate her character, and for me that's a sign of a great actor.

@neyugnn

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely, although I also think Jane and Amy Dunne come from the same place of delicate, white femininity. Jane is the kind of woman Amy Dunne is pretending to be: effortlessly beautiful, effortlessly kind, the perfect well-mannered wife. Rosamund Pike knew how to play that femininity and then twist it into menace

@ashanein

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. 💜

Great video, but I wish you hadn't glossed over the character of Desi (Neil Patrick Harris) and how he treated Amy. Amy didn't "throw him away when he was no longer useful." She decides to kill Desi after he starts treating her like an object and fantasy again. Even though he believes she has just escaped a horrific, abusive marriage, he immediately tells her to dye her hair, dress in sexy clothing, and get back in shape, so she can be the beautiful, flawless version of Amy that he's been obsessing over for years. He expects her to sleep with him and run away with him after only a day of recuperation. In the same way that Nick demanded her to be "Cool Girl," Desi demands her to be "Sophisticated Sexpot." Desi also disparages Nick for his abuse, but doesn't recognize that he himself abused Amy by stalking her and threatening to commit suicide if she left him. In the end, Amy sacrifices the abusive relationship where she holds no power (Desi) to return to the abusive relationship where she knows she holds all the power (Nick). Nick's victimhood at the end of the movie is clear to everyone, but most people overlook that Amy is still a victim. She chose the least miserable option she had left -- which also happened to be the one where she gives Nick everything he wanted (the housewife and family in his hometown). It says everything about the role women are forced to play in society.

@sara-bp7bc

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this great insight! I was never able to quite wrap my head around why Amy killed Desi but you put it into words perfectly.

@cece2859

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, cause she was planning on unaliving herself as part of her plan, but when desi found her and expected her to be his doll again, she changed her mind and decided to go back

@hanafoudah3637

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a really good point and also adds to why we feel empathy towards Amy, because we subconsciously recognize threatening actions in her victims, first time I saw the movie I couldn’t quite put it into words but something was very off about Desi and I didn’t feel sorry for him when Amy killed him, I realize it’s because of how he tried to get her to fit into his fantasy and relished on the power imbalance that was created.

@aquilo1714

2 жыл бұрын

What exactly is so terrible about her that she needs so many masks to cover it up? Why can't she just be herself? I'll tell you the answer. It's because deep-down, she knows that she's just a materialistic animal, motivated by base desires. You can even tell. "I need to be punished, and by punished, I mean had." How much more of a masochistic pig can you get? "I torture innocent men for fun, just because I don't like them." Yes. Poisonous little weed pretending to be an innocent little flower. It's no wonder she covers up.

@wooblyboo

2 жыл бұрын

That’s great insight but I mean, the best option would be to get a divorce (which Nick wanted) - they’re both victims but they will continue being victims if they stay with each other, and Amy doesn’t even allow them to not be together

The same way men root for Joker, and many other villians...but cry if women root for Amy Dunn

@oc7759

2 жыл бұрын

Please seek help.

@coffin3050

2 жыл бұрын

@@oc7759 no u

@coffin3050

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh we shouldn't try to emulate either Amy or Joker, but they are delightful to watch on screen

@aquilo1714

2 жыл бұрын

False equivalence, there. Those two are nothing alike. The Joker was innocent and sweet and turned evil. Amy was a liar from the beginning. People need to be more aware of the distinctions between things. You don't get to compare Amy to the Joker. That's insulting nonsense.

@samlievesley2008

2 жыл бұрын

nobody roots for the joker btw, but people respect his situation. you seriously root for amy?

"There’s something disturbing about recalling a warm memory and feeling utterly cold."

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

This sums up Amy in a nutshell! She's mastered the act of the devoted, victimised wife to a tee, but she's not only playing Nick and the police like pawns, but the audience as well! 😮

@1bridge11

3 жыл бұрын

The Vile Eye KZread Channel has a better take on this movie than this channel does.

@bouncyshak

3 жыл бұрын

@@1bridge11 Lol no it doesn't. It says Desi only wanted to love Amy. What a croc.

@1bridge11

3 жыл бұрын

@@bouncyshak And this vid justifies the actions of a psycho like Amy Dunne. That's the croc.

@grazielaalmeida8438

3 жыл бұрын

@@1bridge11 both have.

I don’t care, Gone girl had the best “cool girl” monologue.

@yuki_eerhs4591

3 жыл бұрын

I love that scene so much, brings me chills.

@neuralmute

3 жыл бұрын

The Cool Girl monologue is a classic. They'll be studying that one in film classes forever.

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

I strongly concur! Amy breaks down the entire concept that women have to change themselves to be whatever appeals to their significant other, while also shaming men into not doing the same. However, it's far more complex than it appears.

@Ray03595

3 жыл бұрын

@@trinaq I like the monologue too but yeah, I kind of feel like a lot of it is her own fault. Nobody asked her to be the cool girl. She pretended to be someone she wasn't in order to stay with a guy she didn't really seem to like because she found it easier than being her true self. That doesn't really fall on Nick. And it's not medieval times where she has to put up an act either.

@judeannethecandorchannel2153

3 жыл бұрын

I just *disagree.* Nobody forces people to falsify their identity. I don't. Plenty of people don't. If she married a man whom she knew could only love a falsified version of herself then the bad marriage was inevitable and she is absolutely complicit in that. And a murderer. But I'm glad the film did something for you that hopefully can be channeled in a positive way.

“Amy’s rage doesn’t have to be empowering to feel cathartic.” That is such a great distinction. Like no, I don’t think Amy’s is any kind of anti-hero and Nick definitely didn’t deserve to be framed for murder, but f*ck I was kinda of rooting for her to get away with it sometimes.

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

So if a woman cheated on a man and he did horrible things to her, would you be rooting for him?

@hermionescranny

2 жыл бұрын

@@greywolf7577 Honestly though, everyone would be rooting for him. There’s probably already dozens of male Amy Dunes out there real or fictional.

@hermionescranny

2 жыл бұрын

@@greywolf7577 Also, what about you? Would you root for him?

@namkia205

Жыл бұрын

@@greywolf7577 Yes, I would root for him too. The revenge on a superficial person makes Amy's revenge great and relatable, not her gender.

@greywolf7577

Жыл бұрын

@@namkia205 Maybe you would, but I think most people would be horrified at the idea of a man trying to get his wife executed even if she did cheat. It's just that people, especially many women, tend to take more negative views of men who do bad things and be less forgiving than they are toward women who do bad things. The correct moral view is that cheating does not make it okay to try to execute that person. Yet too many people, especially other women, are willing to at least fantasize about the idea of killing a man who cheated. I worry that too many of them would actually cheer on a woman who did something like Amy did in the movie.

IFF she had divorced Nick, would she have gotten everything that he took from her back? All her money from her trust fund, all the energy she put into this relationship, all the emotional attachment, her life in the city, years of her time spent in this relationship? Amy dunne WAS psycho and doing what she did was fucked up, but the basic truth behind her rage is totally valid. To be used up and then thrown away as though you were nothing but an object meant to serve some selfish moron is a kind of pain that is hard to find relief from.

@lordramuel1082

3 жыл бұрын

She is a psychopath. She was intent on using him. When it turned out he was alsu using her she got pissed and tried to kill him. So relatable...... FFS.

@annaeverette8960

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I mean it shouldn't be difficult to grasp. She was loving, intelligent, beyond supportive, a model spouse in every way, yet she basically got discarded in the middle of her marriage by a 'partner' who never bothered to not only work on whatever went wrong (supposedly) from his POV but to even talk to her about it, like... *ever*. But obv he's immediately excused, almost as if he couldn't possibly be aware of the damage he's doing to her, while she is ThE dEviL.

@athenarocks7657

2 жыл бұрын

I think Amy is a villain - but I love me a good revenge plot; they are so satisfying. I think the perfect part of her revenge wasn't even framing him. the perfect part was how she trapped him in his "perfect" life with her. It's kind of like the Monkey's paw.

@spannycat2

2 жыл бұрын

At one point or another all straight women go through this pain. And that's comforting at least. To know we're not alone.

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

@@annaeverette8960 How do we know she was loving? Isn't the point that we have her version of events which isn't reliable? She might have been wronged but to a large degree she was the author of her own misfortune and the action she took to avenge herself was ridiculously out of proportion to what was done to her.

Whether you love or hate Amy, you can't deny she is a genius.

@Marcelg13

3 жыл бұрын

more a genius psychopath

@marcelo2169

3 жыл бұрын

She think she is, the movie is in her point of view. She got "one uped" by a trailer girl.

@valemedina4473

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcelo2169 because she likes to think she is the best in the world, but she still got robbed

@r_panda1280

3 жыл бұрын

@@valemedina4473 She was arrogant which is why she was robbed but, for the most part, she has the skills to back up her arrogance. She is exceptionally intelligent and accomplished, the fact that she is well aware of it and perfectly confident only makes her more compelling.

@r_panda1280

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-rg6nm I think you’re underestimating the sheer amount of cunning and savvy it takes to fake your own death in this day and age. And even if she isn’t as skilled as I think, she is certainly dedicated. And she is clearly academically intelligent and accomplished as well as having an obvious talent with language shown in her vocabulary and ability to convincingly write a series of fictitious events. So, no, I’m afraid you’re mistaken.

I know that we’re talking about the movie here, but it’s also worth noting that in the book when we are in Nick’s perspective he frequently calls women that he had ANY disagreements with or that inconvenience him in any way a ‘bitch’. Yet in the Goodread’s comments on the book Nick is seen as the ‘normal, average guy’. Him casually using the word bitch shows us how little he actually cares about women.

@theresaegan3129

3 жыл бұрын

I know men who do that too. It always rubs me the wrong way

@arunmunagala8333

3 жыл бұрын

While i do agree that Nick was a horrible person, I'm not sure if he deserved death and prison for it . Nick did bad things like cheating and not working on their marriage yes, but Amy wanted to Kill Nick, which I feel is another level of a crime, and I'm not sure if it is the punishment he deserved for cheating on someone. Imagine if the genders were reversed and Nick wanted to kill Amy for cheating on him. I feel that the society would view that differently. However that is just my opinion and I totally understand if you disagree with it. :)

@jovanym2931

3 жыл бұрын

That doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about women .

@kiriki4558

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if putting it as the normal average guy Is him being misoginist or just aknowleging how common it Is that attitude.

@KatieLHall-fy1hw

3 жыл бұрын

@@theresaegan3129 can’t tell you how often I hear this attitude in daily life. I also note that I don’t hear people whine about guys disagreeing with them. Hopefully it gets better as time passes

No one is talking about this enough: HER PARENTS created a psychopath, when creating an alternate version of THEIR REAL DAUGHTER, that would accomplished everything that she would never do, because of this thing called being human. From the perspective of a movie fan, I appreciate providing a female character, a female villain, with such a complexity and depth. As a human being: such a couple of assholes should NEVER have kids. The damage they do for a new born is sometimes irreversible. It's like a cautionary tale for those people who think their kids are their property and they can mess up with them like little projects.

@Bea-yh9hy

2 жыл бұрын

Most underrated comment

@captainbeastwinger4940

Жыл бұрын

Psychopaths are born that way sociopaths are made

@sharonjensen3016

Жыл бұрын

"They f*&k you up, your mum and dad/They may not mean to, but they do" (Philip Larkin's "This Be The Verse").

@velasericousland2443

11 ай бұрын

No, someone can be predisposed genetically to psychopathy, it can still take a trigger.

@priscilalondon

10 ай бұрын

They are narcissists, that’s for sure. It’s sickening what they do to their children.

Nick is all men that say "not all men".

@alexiayearty8105

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! An annoying dudebro whos had everything handed to him

@BarrySlisk

3 жыл бұрын

That makes no sense.

@realjcoop182

3 жыл бұрын

So the guy she dated in college was bad too? Cause she's had a a pattern since college.

@boredshrimp9425

3 жыл бұрын

haha

@bread2951

3 жыл бұрын

Thats so true.

Amy Dunne is the female Joker, Rick Sanchez, Tyler Durden, Michael Corleone, Walter White. She’s morally complex, multifaceted, unpredictable and captivating, and you can’t help but empathise with/admire her while recoiling at the things she does, but more than that she has unique views and experiences that her male counterparts don’t have. Amy is relatable to women on a visceral level. She shares our insecurities, our fears, our frustrations, our pain and heartbreak, our rage. She’s authentically, emphatically female, and her femininity and sexuality shapes her story and character arc in a way that you can’t achieve with males. And good or bad, they’re all integral to the plot and feel completely organic. In short, Amy Dunne is not a villain who happens to be female. She’s a FEMALE VILLAIN. All the qualities we love in a bad guy, but with a few things tailored and added so they fit a woman. She’s believable to the audience because of her gender, not in spite of it.

@ericdinesh63

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Perfectly stated to point. cheers

@2passportsandpostcards

3 жыл бұрын

Yessssaaaa! PREACH. Very well said.

@caydenrichmond9551

3 жыл бұрын

I love the way you put it

@user-ic2be2jv8w

3 жыл бұрын

can't agree with that, I dislike Amy and can't relate to her at all. Very unpleasant movie

@carlotaep5516

3 жыл бұрын

100% agreed

Ben Affleck is perfect for this role, because he cheated on his wife with a producer, and then he blame her for being an harpy, and most of Hollywood agree with him at the time, calling her controlling and bitchy, but then when it was discover that Affleck used the private jet of his friend to travel to his mistress to Las Vegas, and they discover her identity, all the facade of a wounded husband fall off, in other words, Affleck is not acting in this role, he is being himself.

@melissacantos5868

3 жыл бұрын

I've always hated him hahaha

@heathern8043

3 жыл бұрын

also shows how un-self aware he is that he could play a character in a movie that showcases how shitty people act and then do the same thing 😂 but I guess people like that don’t cafe

@que2000

3 жыл бұрын

I hate him lol

@Ryan-pg1tw

3 жыл бұрын

maybe you should express yourself more respectful

@mariacillan9668

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I call perfect casting 🤣🤣

I've always found it funny how a "bad version" of any person belonging to a marginalised group, will always be under more scrutiny than those who are not. A bad woman is anti-feminist, even if she is well written, but that is never said about a bad man. The Joker's character isn't seen as anti-men, he's just an insane product of society. Amy can't be seen as JUST an insane product of society, no, she's also a bad representation of women, perpetuating negative stereotypes, anti-feminist etc. It's a double standard which I have suppressed rage for.

@ToxicallyMasculinelol

2 жыл бұрын

How is the Joker's character not a bad representation of men? How does the Joker not "perpetuate negative stereotypes," if Amy Dunne does? It sounds like you just started from the presupposition that there's a double standard and then reverse-engineered some justification for it. The Joker is a literal manchild. He lives with his mom and he's like 40 years old. He's pathetic in every way that feminists love to mock. At the end, he unleashes his impotent rage against the world like some kind of repressed school shooter. And lo and behold, when the movie was successful and men reveled in vicariously living through the character, feminist media predictably published psychoanalytical hit pieces against an entire generation, calling the whole thing a "male power fantasy." Not merely critiquing it for perpetuating negative stereotypes, but actually reviewing the film as if it was nonfiction - a kind of microcosm for real masculinity in the real world. Both of these are fabulous movies, but that doesn't stop people from using their influence for their own rhetorical purposes.

@masterdevoe2519

Жыл бұрын

@@ToxicallyMasculinelol I think she's trying to say that people don't start denying the actions of bad men when a character like joker suddenly appears. But when any evil female character appears, people, especially feminists start losing their shit. That's what I got from her comment.

@lexa2310

Жыл бұрын

​@@masterdevoe2519 Also that the moment a bad character is a woman it's because of some kind of agenda and not just because women are human beings too.

@remigal899

9 ай бұрын

@@ToxicallyMasculinelolagreed.

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

​@@lexa2310reminds me of Claudia Pacheco An analysis of female psychopathology

I read the book twice and I came to the conclusion that while I don't agree with her actions, her way of viewing the world is pretty damn accurate and that's what I truly love about her, the whole monologue on how many idealize women is incredibly powerful and real.

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

10:20 reminds me of the song obsessed

She was the first female character that I felt paralelled the toxic masculine characters like Tyler Durden, but for women and I've loved that

@fadethechannel

3 жыл бұрын

So don’t be upset when men enjoy toxic masculinity. If you don’t like toxicity, you don’t like it AT ALL.

@adwaitab.3622

3 жыл бұрын

No wonder they are directed by the same person

@tazhienunurbusinezz1703

3 жыл бұрын

@@fadethechannel There is a difference between enjoying it for the spectacle & trying to emulate it. I enjoy watching a toxic woman because it's not really something that's explored very often. I don't want to be her but I like watching it. When you start taking on those traits because it's something that's shown to be "normal" though, then it gets problematic pretty quickly.

@yuki_eerhs4591

3 жыл бұрын

@@tazhienunurbusinezz1703 I am a fan of the complex female character and I was so intrigued by the way Amy was portrayed and the gone girl scene was the cherry on the top. I completely agree with you that toxic woman is not portrayed enough especially someone so morally grey and actually gets to win at the end. People want to like her even tho we know what she is doing is wrong because like you said it's not about emulating Amy's action but watching this amazing piece of art slowly unfolding and its a wonderful spectacle.

@exoendo

3 жыл бұрын

so when guys idolize tyler durden that is presumably problematic for you, but if women do it to Amy then it's good. got it.

Amy is definitely a psychopath. The reason we sometimes root for her is that we have often seen a Nick behaviour in our husbands, boyfriends,fathers, uncles, brothers and other male relatives. The movie makes us remember that suppressed anger. And seeing Nick get his due makes us feel satisfied. It is probably one of the most cynical movies we will ever see on marriage.

@monabohamad2242

3 жыл бұрын

Who's the "us"?

@nombuso4162

3 жыл бұрын

@@monabohamad2242 the people who liked the comment. Including moi

@kimvanfelton3413

3 жыл бұрын

Amy is a great villain, but I never found myself rooting for her, quite the contrary - I wanted her arrested. Her scheme imo wasn't clever enough for her to totally get away with.

@adamcraig1468

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimvanfelton3413 she framed a man for rape, another for murder and then brutally killed another. The fact that women see her as a hero speaks of toxic feminism

@karolineCPH

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamcraig1468 I don't think most women see her as a hero(ine), but a lot can sympathize with her rage. Just like some men look up to Tyler Durden, which is also very toxic.

I think the real tragedy about Amy Dunne is that she would rather settle with a humble guy than use all her privileges/merits for a partner that is on equal foot stance, despite all her wits, intelligence and beauty.

@sunnysolaris23

5 ай бұрын

I think, in a way, she did it because she really needed to feel superior in her relationship. She couldn't bear the thought to be outsmarted or outperformed by her partner since she was already outperformed all the time by her alter ego "Amazing Amy". No, she wanted the sweet, humble, boyish man whose transformation into a successful, reasonable adult she later could take credit for. Like she pointed out in the "cool girl"- monologue, she was willing to play her role as long as he was willing to play his. Then, to her dismay, she found out that he 1. didn't even understand she put up an act for him and 2. didn't even see the necessity to step up his game for her and instead just dropped the act entirely and didn't feel like he still has to be invested once they were married.

one of the most interesting points about gone girl is that Amy didn't stalker Andy (Nick's mistress). Her revenge was after Nick

@damieo8139

6 ай бұрын

And I love that. Nick is the one that used and betrayed her.

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

​@@damieo8139Jack Kammer would disagree !

I think the most interesting part of Gone Girl, is the fact that most women on the planet, has at some point had dark energy that they’ve been forced to push down. Relating to never being allowed to be “angry” cause it’s not feminine or likable. Like there’s no woman in the world who won’t find some part, even the smallest part somewhat relatable in “Gone Girl”.

@mievaselli7910

3 жыл бұрын

I am woman and I don't find any part relatable in "gone girl". I depise people like Amy who put on a fake facade and resent you when you don't want to play along with their lie. The most dark energy I ever had to push down, was the urge to slap in the face girls like her in high school.

@wyattnicks2283

3 жыл бұрын

@@mievaselli7910 this response is so indicative that you're still playing cool and acceptable to the public at large and also that you did not understand what gone girl was about, like, at all. amy isn't a high school mean girl lol. you sound like a pick me.

@mievaselli7910

3 жыл бұрын

@@wyattnicks2283 Gone Girl was about a psychopath unable of love or genuine human conexion who can't even tell the difference between a pretend good relationship and a real one. She crafts a fake persona because that's the only way she knows how to interact whit others. Still playing this game takes a lot of emotional labor and she grow weary of it. She thinks her husband owes her to play his role as well as she plays hers in the perfect couple theater piece she has written in her head. When he fails to do so she gets mad and blames him for her decision to put so much effort in her fake persona in the first place. What you took away from my comment is that I am faking a cool girl persona? Do you believe that every woman goes through a phase of being fake and that I am pretending not to relate with a psycho because I haven't grown out of it? I am autistic and "Playing cool and acceptable" is not something I am able or willing to do. For most of my childhood I was just obtuse undestand what role I was meant to play, society's messaging when right over my head. When I was able to get a grasp on it, I decided it wan't woth the effort. So I can't relate to people who choose to play a role that make them miserable. I have however met such people who dislked me because I didnt play the role they had in mind for me. But sure tell, yourself I'm a "pick me girl" because my life expercience is different from yours.

@kittyclawyoureyesout

3 жыл бұрын

@@mievaselli7910 thank you this was awesome

@floodgates182

3 жыл бұрын

No, there totally is. That woman is a total psycho. So twisted and wrong.

My favourite scene in the movie is when Amy spits in a girl's cup while she's not looking. It's such an immature move from an otherwise calculated character that it makes her villainy borderline cartoonish and I love it.

@cece2859

2 жыл бұрын

I like it, and that section with the couple, cause it shows that Amy is losing control over her situation, and she is scrambling to take it back, which is why she meets with Desi, as she decides to change her plans. She kinda realises she's not safe on her own and that it could go wrong for her which she doesn't want at all

@citrus_sweet

2 күн бұрын

?? I only read the book and man so many parts of the movie sound so wild. This wasn't in the book.

Also worth noticing is the fact that the male version of the psycho-mastermind like Anthony Hopkins's Hannibal Lecter, and Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix's Jokers always win big at the Oscars, yet their female counterparts like Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, Rosamund Pike in Gone Girl, and Carey Mulligan in Promising Young Woman are always left in just the nominations even when the roles are equally challenging.

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

Why we cheer on something we would otherwise condone

@Bjork4s

5 ай бұрын

With all due respect of the winners against both of them, Pike and Carey should've won for each of their awards. It's incredible that they both went from playing the Bennet sister in Pride and Prejudice to a psycho-mastermind characters and pulled off brilliantly. A day and night role

This video is awesome! Especially the part where she’s begging him, and she’s telling him that he’s turning her into a person she doesn’t want to be! She doesn’t want to nag she doesn’t want to yell she doesn’t want to bug him to do things properly… It just makes you feel like you’re their mother or something! I believe all this crap starts in the home when you’re young… Parents treat their daughters differently than they treat their sons. This is why women are “more mature“ than men! It’s all how they are raised. Amy’s monologue was everything! A lot of us women felt exactly what she was talking about. The fact that you could do everything for a guy, give him your body your soul and do everything for him and then his ass goes and cheats on you with some floozy!!

@visassess8607

2 жыл бұрын

What bullshit. How about you be responsible for your own behavior instead of blaming others for "making" you turn into something. It's especially ironic when your argument is that women are raised differently to be more mature yet you're blaming others for your own issues like a kid.

@redfullmoon

2 жыл бұрын

@@visassess8607 oh look a narcissist who deflects onto women how theyre remiss in their own roles because a woman dare say they don't want to be villified for nagging get are turned into playing substitute mother for men who can't fulfill their own roles, responsibilities and duty in the marriage

@timocruz510

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Nick definitely isn't a role model and shouldn't be excused for his behaviour. But framing him for your murder? Not quite justifiable. Cheating is a horrible, disgusting act. But it ain't a crime.

@adibakalimi9108

2 жыл бұрын

Not the replies intentionally missing the point 😂

@samuraijosh1595

Жыл бұрын

@@adibakalimi9108 ahaha your loser women who can't get over being cheated on are using like bots, I see.

There's still a lot of places where people think it's acceptable for a man to kill his wife if he finds out she's cheating on him. Think about that

@iuliaionelapetcu1411

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed.. musogyny has yet to be wiped out.

@monabohamad2242

3 жыл бұрын

And he probably cheated on her first and/or has probably been an Abusive POS anyways

@nicolearayaa

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nicole-ti3we that’s not true.

@alenanela1743

3 жыл бұрын

@Will Diesel To be fair, the "I" and "U" keys are really close together on the keyboard.

@alexiayearty8105

3 жыл бұрын

Couldnt have said it better myself.

My favorite thing (by which I mean most frustrating and interesting thing) about Gone GIrl was the way the parents saw themselves as perfect, when they treated Amy as just as much of an artificial trophy as Nick did. Of course she would up with someone like that, because the dynamic was familiar to her. I'll always remember the way her father shamed Nick for bringing her--his beautiful daughter--to Nick's "ugly" home town. He felt so righteous, but his treatment of her wasn't any more personal or supportive, and he and his wife will surely never see that. Not that the book needed that, but I would have been satisfied to see her parents get some deeper comeupance.

@ericdinesh63

3 жыл бұрын

Finally someone said it about the parents who put the trophy level perfectionism in her.. thumbs up

@QUARTERMASTEREMI6

3 жыл бұрын

@@ericdinesh63 I couldn't agree more! It's no wonder she felt like a trophy for everyone and that drove her bonkers.

@TheTam0613

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree! Amy didn't really have much of a chance since she was taught that she was a commodity at a disgustingly young age. Her parents set up the pattern for her psyche, and they did deserve some sort of consequence. Maybe Amy won't let them see her baby...that would be a fitting punishment.

@Visplight

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTam0613 No, she'll use the baby as leverage to force them into being the perfect parent/grandparents she wants.

@lydiafayre9806

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTam0613 Trouble is, I don't see her ever interfering with her own image enough to distance herself from them on any real level. Pretense is all that Amy knows, it's all that Amy has. Her parents made a monster, and I don't think there's much chance of them ever seeing their own mistake. It helps I guess to remember that this book isn't about making me feel good or satisfied.

" he took & took from me til I no longer existed. That's murder. Let the punishment fit the crime" that quote within the " cool girl " dialogue is brilliant! smart how she wielded societies conceptions of a woman as a weapon.

@ThatGuy-tx4vm

6 ай бұрын

yet he never took anything. She lied and lied and she never existed. From the begining she was never true to him. And then she complains about him cheating... When she was never true to him.

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

Imagine feminists justifying this. Reminds me Chinweizu anatomy of female power

@may51973

3 ай бұрын

She was no better than him. In fact, she was way worse.

I watched Gone Girl with my current boyfriend years ago and by the the end of the film he was silent the whole ride home until we arrived at my house and he said “if I’ve ever been lazy, please correct me right away.”

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

It's sad that he thought that being lazy would justify you doing something horrible to him. I guarantee that if there was a movie about a man framing a lazy woman for murder, the first thought of women wouldn't be "I better not be lazy anymore". That's victim blaming.

@schrubber98

9 ай бұрын

@@greywolf7577how on earth was THAT your takeaway from the comment? 😂😂😂

I think people sometimes don't realize that you can admire a character without overlooking their flaws and justifying their (horrifying terrible evil) mistakes. The movie is feminist in the way that portrays a woman not as an object of a man but as their own protagonist with her machiavellian mind and as a complex human being with different levels of emotions. BUT Amy is not a feminist icon, she's a villain in a movie without heroes (like someone in the comments said I love that comment bcs is the perfect explanation). I like her as a character and she got me to reevaluate a lot of things about myself (which I'd great cinema), why I tried so hard to please some people when that wasn't giving me any satisfaction.

@deliac2187

3 жыл бұрын

But they do love it when it’s a male character, like the joker. Just saying.

@MissCaraMint

3 жыл бұрын

Well yeah women can be evil and twisted too, it’s not just men.

@Fran_Fuentes

3 жыл бұрын

@@deliac2187 yes and that's a huge red flag for me unless the person explain what they admire about him

@toro5280

3 жыл бұрын

I think it really depends on the setting and the victims. That's why we root for Tony Montana, but not for Ted Bundy. And that's why we root for The Bride, but not for Amy. The more realistic the setting and the character the more we realize how outside of society's norm his deeds are.

@MissCaraMint

3 жыл бұрын

@@toro5280 I agree compleatly. The imediacy you get to Nick and the other people who’s lives she is affecting also play a huge roll.

It's not politically correct but I liked Amy because she let herself rage out on a man who hurt her. Men always say they aren't allowed to cry, but women aren't allowed to be angry which is why the worst tropes for women involve women being pissed off ( angry black woman, karen, man hating feminists, mean girl,crazy ex girlfriend etc) No woman wants to be labeled bitter and angry even if it's justifiable but women are socialized to put others needs before our own and when men treat us like crap we're expected to take it on the chin or nurture the shitty behavior out of them. Amy refused to just take it or drag Nicks dumb ass to couples therapy lol Women are tired of taking responsibility for the way men treat us, no matter what background or race you are.

@faysuxxss

3 жыл бұрын

All I have to say is yes, Yes, YES!!!

@bananahat3350

3 жыл бұрын

I think you pointed out a really interesting duality. I remember in another video by the Take, they even mentioned how women are expected to be sad and men angry. It’s interesting to see it’s somewhat normalized to see an angry man or sad woman, but when a man shows sadness, he’s seen as weak, and when a woman shows anger, she’s seen as crazy. Gender norms just end up hurting everyone. No one comes out of them better.

@twofoxes6412

3 жыл бұрын

Say it louder for the people in the back

@TatiJBC

3 жыл бұрын

I was "a lady" when my marriage has reached its end. And I regret it deeply. Despite the endless conversations we had for almost two years, my ex never seemed to understand how it all ended like that because I was never angry. So, in my opinion, rage is not only a feeling suppressed by most of women, but perhaps the only "language" that men understand. Otherwise, we women become the naggy boring wife. Until it's all over and men just can't say how and why it's over. 🤷🏻

@ebh7821

3 жыл бұрын

Yes very true 👏👏👏

I actually remember watching the video where the woman says "his only crime; not lavishing her with attention" and being like... girl no

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

Not far off. He cheated. That's about it. Lots of people cheat. The correct response is to either forgive them or leave them. It doesn't begin to justify what she did.

@kiera6326

2 жыл бұрын

@@_Sakidora_ Right, but the point is, being emotionally neglectful and being an outright cheater are two entirely different ball games. Nothing could ever begin to justify what Amy does, but a cheating Nick has more reason to “deserve” it than just an emotionally un-invested Nick.

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

@@kiera6326 I wonder if you would still say that if the sexes were reversed.

@kiera6326

2 жыл бұрын

@@_Sakidora_ Uh… yeah? That’s why I didn’t specify a cheating “husband” or cheating “wife.”

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

@@kiera6326 You were speaking of a cheating husband in this instance, hence my query whether you would speak in the same way if it was a husband who was punishing his cheating wife by being a psycho.

Oh, she's definitely a psychopath, no doubt about that. Why do I root for her? She's absolutely brilliant. Intelligent, determined, quick-witted. I root for her because she absolutely slayed Nick, always two steps ahead, baiting him like a little child throughout the movie. She deserved to win.

@subutaynoyan5372

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine causing a death, betraying your husband in order to get him executed as a murderer, and also planning to kill yourself in the end to finish it all brilliantly, a win. And what a winner she was, first encounter with a woman who's a predator, she was powerless and exposed and tried to crawl back to her husband to salvage whatever honour she had. Because she was penniless and severely discouraged at that point.

@user-qv9dn5kw4e

2 жыл бұрын

@@subutaynoyan5372 Crawling back to her husband? He called her. Penniless? She owns everything they have, he's the penniless one. As for mistakes she made, she got out of them better than she was before. At the end she got exactly what she wanted, a "cool" man to play house with her.

@subutaynoyan5372

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-qv9dn5kw4e Though he could still work and all, he was in a desperate outcry, I kinda forgot that, true. He was apoligising through tellie. One of the reasons she came back was that But the true one was because her master plan had failed quite astonishingly. But then again, Nick kinda managed to reach out to her. Nick's problem is that he is acutely aware of his marrige failing, but is not inclined to do anything about it. He just complains, bitches aboıut everything, because why bother? Has a young girlfriend(Though got to admit, that girlfriend is E. Ratajkowski) but still manages to assume it's all because of his wife But, would Amy let him go? She basically tricked him, pretended to be an easygoing person, thinking she's creating her own perfect marrige, than accused Nick for being financiall reckless, dispassionate and disinterested. Nick just returned to his own town when his mother got sick, and they had financial problems, she could've left, could've admit Nick's not what she wants but that would be losing. Instead she makes this crazy, murderous, suicidal plan just to make a point.

@HienPham-ow5ky

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-qv9dn5kw4e i agree with this 100%

@wintermacca

Жыл бұрын

@@subutaynoyan5372 her master plan failed, but she still won in the end because of her cunning (it was evil, but this is fiction anyway) so idk. She won. He didn't.

I read the book Gone Girl and in the book it’s made clear the Amazing Amy book series is her parents’ thinly veiled way of shaming her for not living up to their expectations. I always wonder why she never lashes out at them

@monabohamad2242

3 жыл бұрын

probably cuz of something to do with not wanting to ruin her image or something

@missmoxie9188

3 жыл бұрын

@@monabohamad2242 you’re probably right

@lizanna6390

3 жыл бұрын

And because she could never satisfy them she fakes being the 'cool girl' to satisfy a man. Their marriage was doomed from the start.

@BL00DYR0S31

3 жыл бұрын

Aren’t they already kinda old. I mean their probably one step away from the grave anyway so I don’t think she can get any satisfaction from torturing them. Plus I don’t think she cares about them anymore. Their probably just background noise to her.

@thatjillgirl

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good question. She clearly resents them. Given the way she treats others who mistreat her, it really is a wonder that she never attacked her parents in the same way.

She went too far, but, dare I say it, I kinda sorta understand her.

@arunmunagala8333

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, however this situation sort of reminds me of how angry people were when some guys said that they understood where the joker was coming from in the movie. I often feel like those who understand and sympathize with Amy's get very pissed when some people say they understand where the joker is coming from, which I think is a bit biased. However i do understand if you disagree. Hope you have a great day! :)

@bhavininath737

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree Cassie!

@borednerd2100

3 жыл бұрын

Same🤷🏻‍♀️

@Felorina

3 жыл бұрын

@@arunmunagala8333 I think there is a double standard there but you also have to factor in that there aren’t female serial killers/mass shooters going around claiming to be inspired by such movies. I feel like this movie is a good outlet for many women’s suppressed/disturbing revenge fantasies but when it come’s to men, it seems to be more triggering in the sense that they’re far more likely to actually play out the revenge fantasy that they’re watching. Does that make sense? Lol

@spartaworlds6884

3 жыл бұрын

She accused an inocent man of being a rapist and ruined his life(her ex even before meeting her husband), and she KILLED a man for her selfish reasons( the rich guy). Her husband only cheated on her. Hes a cheater and thats not ok, but shes a fucking pshycopatic evil sociopat

She's a villain, but the writer is a hero--for creating a character that plays on our cultural stereotypes like a master. The book has a character that can really see the box people put her into and she works it. I hate the way so many characters pretend we aren't all dealing with these pressures. Edit: I do wonder why she let him put her money into a bar. I do wonder why she's so strong in the film, but she chose away from herself in her move and money choices. Edit2: I really didn't get the people who loved the Gone with the Wind woman, Scarlet. But I watched a really great film about how she's one of the first female character who drives a plot. Whatever we want to say about Amy Dunn, she runs the plot. The viewers are running to keep up the whole time.

@ericellsworth9852

11 ай бұрын

Honestly thought of Scarlet as well. Never liked her, but yeah, she is a strong female lead.

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

​@@ericellsworth985211:20 what is a man child? Reminds me of what Patrice o Neil says about female manipulation

the way she did not get an oscar for this makes me so sad

omg you articulated why I love her: her revenge is against a culturally-endorsed man child

@samyuktha.

3 жыл бұрын

@Christopher Reynolds no it's an exaggerated fantasy of punishment/opposal of the manchild.

@adamcraig1468

3 жыл бұрын

@@samyuktha. nobody likes a man child, but she framed a man for murder, another for rape and another she violently killed. This is the most toxic depiction of a woman for long time

@samyuktha.

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamcraig1468 no one is saying a manchild warrants for that punishment. it's just a very exaggerated scenario where a manchild does get a punishment. no one is saying this should be implemented or that Amy is right. but we can understand and see a part of us in WHERE that anger (to do all those things) came from.

@nurmzn7057

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamcraig1468 Spot on!

@Zimuahaha

3 жыл бұрын

@@samyuktha. Very well stated!

She’s so iconic. She’s both a feminist and misogynist. A privileged Karen but is fun to watch. Great video!

@lydiafayre9806

3 жыл бұрын

I guess I can see why you might call her a feminist, I just don't think it pans out. She accurately sees the societal narratives and imbalances that might lead someone to feminism, but she only uses them for her own immediate interest--She doesn't actually advocate for equality. I know this might meld with the average anti-feminists conception of feminism, but I don't think that conception has ever been accurate or useful. edit: For the record, I'm not claiming that she's *anti-feminist*, just that she's not actually feminist. There's this whole space in between.

@yuki_eerhs4591

3 жыл бұрын

I do wonder how she would be viewed by her audience if she was portrayed by non white actress. Should be interesting to see how people's underlying prejudice impact the narrative of whole story.

@arunmunagala8333

3 жыл бұрын

while i do respect where you're coming from, i'm not sure if Amy Dunne is someone to take inspiration from. Personally I feel like considering Amy dunne to be a voice for strong women is like fanboys considering joker to be a voice for men, it's just stupid. Amy dunne is without a doubt an extremely interesting character, and I'm glad we have such complex female villains, but i don't think amy dunne is someone to be inspired by, in the same way how the joker isn't a charcter that men should be inspired by, just because society was cruel to him.

@bryanalstoncoxing

3 жыл бұрын

Arun Munagala I don’t think Amy is inspiring or aspirational, but more of a fun and fascinating character to watch. I hope no one is looking to her for life tips lol

@bryanalstoncoxing

3 жыл бұрын

yuki, who loves Emilia. Yeah this is an interesting question. I think a lot of the plausibility of Amy getting away with what she did was the presumption of innocence and victim hood placed on White women (the video calls this out) and Amy takes advantage of that. A non white woman wouldn’t get the same assumptions

you expressed exactly why i rooted for her - women having to put on a mask, suppress anger, frustration etc and just smile and take it when men disrespect them and destroy them from the inside, that emotional and psychological abuse hurts women too her actions are an extreme of taking back control in a patriarchal society of course that in real life she should dump him and find a man who she is more compatible with but a revenge fantasy is satisfying to watch

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

And no man ever puts on a mask and has to suppress anger or frustration in his life? No woman has ever emotionally or psychologically abused a man? She doesn't live in a patriarchal society. She is a well off middle class woman with a fairly easy life and the wrongs done to her in no way justified anything she did. She's no feminist heroine. She uses feminism as a form of self pity and to justify her psychopathy.

@FruityHachi

2 жыл бұрын

@@_Sakidora_ totally agree i changed my opinion since i wrote my comment i no longer root for cluster b disordered female characters that play victims and seek revenge to justify their personality disorder

@oc7759

2 жыл бұрын

"Tell me you have daddy issues without telling me you have daddy issues"

@FruityHachi

2 жыл бұрын

@@oc7759 “tell me you are a troll without telling me you are a troll”

@oc7759

2 жыл бұрын

@Laura Kay you don't even know if I am a feminist or not, you just assume I am a mysogynist for no reason. Rooting for a female murderer and justifying her actions makes me assume that they have a personal issue with men... in most cases that is a result of daddy issues

Amy validates your pain and anger, the violence Nick uses is the everyday kind of violence most women suffer, the "normal stuff" and she's like "no, this deserves punishment"... It does, not to be framed for murder but that violence should be punished not applauded by our society.

@ThatGuy-tx4vm

6 ай бұрын

it depends. If the violence is used towards the normal wife then it is wrong. It is never wrong though when it is used on someone like Amy. Bad people do not get to complain when bad things happen to them. Amy was being fake with Nick since day 1... so any insult any raised voice or cheating towards her is not only deserved but also far less damaging than what she has done to him. The problem with women empathising with Amy is that they put themselves in her shoes. But normal people are not able to wear Amy's shoes. She is a monster, not a normal person. And being a monster she does not deserve love or respect or happiness. In Amy's case she doesn't even deserve to be alive. It is the same thing as saying that it is wrong to storm the capitol on january 6... But if the president elect was Adolf Hitler then the capitol must be stormed and Hitler executed... no matter what anybody says, it has to be done. The same way that "abuse" towards a woman and abuse towards Amy are not the same thing. Everyone should be treated exactly as they deserve to be treated based on their actions and on who their actions fall.

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

I wonder how this ties into race domination ?

It’s quite annoying when a writer makes something and people say you’ve mischaracterized women or men, or this shows that women can be xyz, which is negative. If you want to see something where there is no conflict and men and women are painted in a perfect light watch the Brady Bunch

@cherrys6100

3 жыл бұрын

facts, people are allowed to show bad traits in characters because that’s just how people are. every person has flaws, and whether you like it or not, there are bad women in this world. portraying them isn’t “anti feminist”, it’s realistic

@ashanein

3 жыл бұрын

Lol yes!!!!

@ashanein

3 жыл бұрын

Or hallmark movies

@SarifaXionic

3 жыл бұрын

I write and it’s way more interesting to have toxic characters. They do things they go through stuff. If the character is happy there is no conflict.

@bchery4048

3 жыл бұрын

@@SarifaXionic I'm saying!!!! AGREED. I think with woman characters and minority characters especially, whenever they are painted in a bad light people say "well you painting a character this way shows..." or "you saying this about a character shows..." and its frustrating because it says that these types of characters have to be perfect for them to be deserving of empathy or love or etc from an audience. It also shows that people think one character a minority character or a woman character or whatever is a representation of all people in the same category, if (in this case) a woman acts crazy that must mean all woman are crazy, so its a representation of women as a whole. In the case of when people say the author shouldn't have characterized the main character that way because it shows women are nuts, I think no, that's lazy thinking, the author painting the main character that way shows that the main character may be nuts.

This is exactly why I recently ended a 12 year relationship. I felt like I was turning into someone I'm not, and I felt horrified and disgusted because of it. I really needed this video, thank you very much. I was able to cry what I couldn't before.

@TheTam0613

3 жыл бұрын

It's hard to leave a 12 year relationship. But you saw yourself becoming someone you didn't want to be, or you weren't that person, and you left. I think that's pretty great. You chose your relationship with your own self over your romantic relationship. More people would be much happier if they could do this and prioritize their own inner truth.

@TatiJBC

3 жыл бұрын

You have a new path ahead. I pray that you have the strength to start walking. Eventually you'll start to notice again the flowers on your way. Enjoy your "self-path". It's scaring and extremely rewarding. I ended a three-year marriage (9 years together) almost two years ago. I'm in love with myself like I've never been before. ❤️

@JennaBomb

3 жыл бұрын

I left a 23 year relationship. I was 13 he was 16 I stayed for 23 years. I lost myself my friends and everything because I faked the happiness. But after my daughter was getting older I couldn't let her think that was an ok or normal relationship. It would have allowed her to think women are property and don't have a choice. So I understand and give you credit for leaving, it's hard, unbelievably hard.

@TheTam0613

3 жыл бұрын

@@JennaBomb You are incredibly brave!!

@JennaBomb

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTam0613 Thank you! We have 2 kids together. Our son wanted nothing to do with him because he was older. It was the hardest thing I've ever done because I was literally afraid every day...I commented before I was checking my brake lines n tires n everything before I'd drive always looking in the rear view n hoping it wasn't him. Met someone great and he wouldn't stop stalking us so it obviously drove that man away. I can't blame him because my ex was going by his house daily and would send threats through fb messenger n texts just any way he could. It was horrible and the worst part besides my kids, I completely lost myself, I didn't know me anymore. Going out to places always checking if he was there, going to bars or restaurants etc and actually having to find out who I was again was weird. I had fun for the first time in 23 years and I started to realize that who I was before him would never be the type to back down or be afraid of anyone. I spent the holidays and birthdays alone. I wasn't allowed to go out so my friends slowly started to disappear, all except 1. She and I grew up together and she had gone through everything I did and much more unfortunately. Having her as my rock, my reminder that yes I wasn't property helped me figure out that I could breathe again. I could make decisions for myself and having fun didn't make me a bad mom or person. I'm sorry for the long response. You just don't realize how bad it was until you leave, and learn, that life isn't supposed to be living the way someone else expects you to. It brought me so much closer to my kids and friends and for that, I'm forever grateful!

"It depecits a men's right activis's worst nightemare come to vicious, bleeding life" 😂😂😂😂

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, because men's rights is evil whereas feminism is holy scripture.

@Stellaudemba

2 жыл бұрын

@@_Sakidora_ 🤣🤣

@kiera6326

2 жыл бұрын

@@_Sakidora_ It’s because it’s a pretentious movement with far, far more emphasis on tearing down women and feminism than actually addressing issues men face- something that feminism does.

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

@@kiera6326 I see little difference between the two movements. Both have legitimate concerns and both have activists who are ideologically possessed and make a mockery of the causes they fight for. You can frequently take a feminist text and change the pronouns and turn it into an MRA screed and vice versa.

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

@@kiera6326 People who say this normally only hear about men's rights activists from writings by Feminists. If you actually go to the men's rights subreddit on reddit and actually read the posts, pretty much all of them are focused on gender equality. Feminist sites rarely talk about men's gender issues and are often dismissive of them. It's good to have a place where men can talk about gender issues and how to make things more equal.

TW: rape mentions The reason so many women resonate with Amy dunne is the same reason so many men resent her: she embodies the female rage women are supposed to suppress when they are abused/disrespected/let down by the men in their lives, be it a boyfriend, a husband or even the men in their families. Amy gave up so much for nick: she agreed to move with nick out of NYC (even if she didnt want to), she gave him her trustfund that he spent on stupid shit while they were on a tight situation, and then he proceedes to cheat on her with a much younger student. She even said it herself, she was willing to be his Cool Girl and even that wasn't enough. Although I dont agree with all her actions (especially the false rape) and she did benefict from the missing white women syndrome, ultimately she did what she did because she wanted to expose how much of a piece of shit nick dunne truly was. Yes, she could have just divorced, but would that give her back the years and the emotional energy she invested in this relationship when nick was the cause of why it stagnated? I totally understand the rage she felt at being ignored and disrespected by him (especially with the cheating) and wanting to lash out. That's what makes her such a good female villain: we know what she did was wrong, but we can't help it but root for her. And rosamund pike did a brilliant job giving life to Amy dunne! NOTE: just do add that even though it wasn't how she planned, Amy still got what she wanted: nick will forever nationally be known as the jerk who was cheating on his tortured pregnant wife. And from now on, is now nick who will do the pretending.

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

If a male character killed a woman and framed his own wife because she cheated on him and a bunch of male movie fans talked about how they were rooting for him, I'm betting they'd be bashed as misogynists. It's sad that people react so differently when the genders are flipped.

@namkia205

Жыл бұрын

@@greywolf7577 I would adore him as well. I hate cheaters no matter the gender. I will always be on the side of the person who got cheated on and I think so are a lot of other people.

@namkia205

Жыл бұрын

@MestizoMarquez He cheated before she became a killer. I felt nothing for Nick. He deserved everything. I only despise what she did to people besides him.

@nonno1124

Жыл бұрын

@@namkia205 Skylar White? Literally any woman in an abusive relationship who cheated? Dude, you gotta be complex lmao.

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

​@@nonno112415:00 missing white woman syndrome

Both Nick and Amy were in the wrong. Nick cheated on Amy and did the bare minimum in their marriage. Instead of solving their marital problems healthily, Amy went to the extremes. This is why they are perfect for each other. A lot of people didn't like the ending of the book and the movie but I thought it ended how it should have. These two horrible, narcissistic people got what they deserved in the end --- each other.

@arunmunagala8333

3 жыл бұрын

While i do agree that Nick was a horrible person, I'm not sure if he deserved death and prison for it . Nick did bad things like cheating and not working on their marriage yes, but Amy wanted to Kill Nick, which I feel is another level of a crime, and I'm not sure if it is the punishment he deserved for cheating on someone. Imagine if the genders were reversed and Nick wanted to kill Amy for cheating on him. I feel that the society would view that differently. However that is just my opinion and I totally understand if you disagree with it. :)

@pincmin

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think he was as bad as her, he was not brilliant, but not an evil person. Also, I will fight anyone who says Amy is a bitch, she's the best antiheroine ever and besides, we know already what kind of people don't like her.

@LasPhoenix777

3 жыл бұрын

🎯💯

@citizenearth71

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliantly put.

@MrBazBake

3 жыл бұрын

Nick is a cheat and a bad husband. Amy is a psychopathic murderer who preyed on Nick's angst over his father's abandonment by trapping him in a relationship and holding his future child hostage. Amy is the female equivalent of those men who slap their wives around and say they should know better to talk back to them except cranked to 13 on a scale of 10.

Amy is by far my favourite female villain, she's brilliant.

we deserve more complex multi-faceted female characters after we have rooted for & maybe even empathized w their male counterparts. you're so right abt female rage too!! they always expect us to deal with it gracefully, silently & in the dark :/

@Active0Bserver

4 ай бұрын

The irony of this video is coming to the comments and finding (presumably) men shunning women who express appreciation for Amy's character. Not condoning her behaviour/crimes, not saying she's anything but a psychopath, simply expressing their own catharisis while watching this movie. The funny thing is that it only serves to prove how much we as women are expected to deal with female rage silently; we're told we shouldn't even relate in any way to a female villain, whereas male villains (such as the joker) are acceptable! Silliness.

People who cheat on their partners are seldom really punished. She went all the way and I love it. She was a victim and she made him the victim.

@realjcoop182

3 жыл бұрын

So the man she killed didn't cheat on her, he waited till she left her husband & she killed him. Guess he deserved it. The guy she accused of rape deserved it too. Smh. Y'all crazy and I'm going to buy a car and stay the hell away from dating.

@heliopyre

2 жыл бұрын

you think framing someone for murder is an appropriate response to infidelity?

@magneto228

Жыл бұрын

@@JakeKoenig women are children and they don't even try to hide it

@winnermarshal

Жыл бұрын

yes

@sharonjensen3016

Жыл бұрын

I heard about one woman who sold her husband's belongings on Craigslist when she found out he was cheating on her. Advertising slogan: "Everything Must Go!"

Too many people are forgetting Amy is a psychopath with or without Nick. That's what makes her great. He didn't drive her to it, he was just the biggest push.

@myriah1969

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and Nick is who he is without Amy as well.

@jordinapigrau4769

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, some seem to forget that Nick is not her first victim

@JoseFerreira-jq2cd

3 жыл бұрын

ALELUIA! Kinda losing my mind here with the comments sympathizing with Amy

@myriah1969

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoseFerreira-jq2cd I kind of sympathize with her but also with Nick. He could've gotten the death penalty and now is stuck with her.

@lkf8799

3 жыл бұрын

In the book, he takes some of the responsibility for "unleashing" her. He says if she had married 1,000 other guys she never would have gone this far. I think it's one of the reasons he stays with her.

"finding catharsis without empowering it" is exactly how I feel about Midsommar's ending as well when Dani smiles as her emotionally absent, gaslighting boyfriend is sacrificed by the cult. Please do a video essay on that movie too!

@ParanoidOwlet

3 жыл бұрын

I believe they already did, some time ago

@urugozo

3 жыл бұрын

Oh got spoiled

@monabohamad2242

3 жыл бұрын

@Christopher Reynolds uh seems to me like BOTH YOU AND the second last commenter here are full of BS

@autumn7809

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Not something I condone or could do, but damn if it doesn't feel just.

@callie8007

3 жыл бұрын

@Christopher Reynolds you know Midsommar is a fictional movie and no one was actually murdered, right?

I loved Amy and this film! There are so many lazy husbands who expect to be mothered by their wives and women trying to gently talk them into adulthood when their sadness, frustration, and exhaustion is killing them. All the while, the women have to play the role of happy wife, devoted mother and any small effort he puts in is widely praised but any small mistakes she makes, stain her as failure. I can image wanting to destroy your husband sometimes, but discretely so you can keep up the appearances.

@lemonsquire5993

3 жыл бұрын

@Will Diesel based on the sheer number of people who identified with this movie, looks like I’m not alone. And no ❤️

@lemonsquire5993

3 жыл бұрын

@Will Diesel lol as much as I appreciate your insults and concern for my mental health, even if I was a murderer, what’s your goal here?

@lemonsquire5993

3 жыл бұрын

@Will Diesel Nvmd I just realized you posted all over this video, trying to start shit and telling people to go to therapy but you’re the one who needs help. I’m done with your pathetic self 😂😂

@Crypticmind242

3 жыл бұрын

There are so many manipulative and sociopathic wives out there who expect men to take care of them and pay for them like they're a child, all the while men are expected to play the role of the devoted husband and remain silent even if they're suffering. Even with that being said, I still couldn't imagine wanting to murder a woman for that, because you know, morals.

@lemonsquire5993

3 жыл бұрын

@@Crypticmind242 who said murder? Haha no. You should watch the movie. She doesn’t murder her husband. Silly goose 🙂

I think I actually understood her character more when I watched the movie a second time (when I was going through a shitty break up, cheated on, etc etc). And the cool girl monologue stuck to me ever since then.

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

I'm curious how you would have reacted if the movie had been about a husband who framed his wife for murder.

@TheKlutz31013

9 ай бұрын

@@greywolf7577stop spamming this on every comment

@greywolf7577

9 ай бұрын

Why? What's wrong with discussing how people judge people differently based on gender? @@TheKlutz31013

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

​@@greywolf7577ask Mel Feit about that

She is absolutely terrifying and I love her for that, absolutely relatable. Both the book and the movie version.

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, you can't help but feel awful for Amy, in spite of her twisted nature, since her parents blatantly preferred their fictional book daughter to their real one, and she never felt like anyone, even her own husband, knew who she really was.💔

@yuki_eerhs4591

3 жыл бұрын

@@trinaq feel like its one of the reason why she is so interesting and relatable to a woman especially because they can relate to fractions of her story. Of course, the planning, killing and the manipulation is overly dramatised but at a simplistic level, she is a victim of a patriarchal society.

@yuki_eerhs4591

3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Hays If you switch her to a guy wouldn't be seen as more normal since we have seen alot of media representation of man like that ? And maybe she is so intriguing because we rarely see woman be so evil and calculating.

@moonlily1

3 жыл бұрын

How is a spiteful, envious, self-obsessed, hateful, manipulative, pathological liar, conceited, delusional, narcissistic sociopath "relatable"? No part of me relates to Amy and I don't at any point "feel awful for her". She is descpicable.

@irinabalduzzi3509

3 жыл бұрын

Nick 100% abused Amy emotionally and financially, neglected her. Completely drained her. You can empathize with Amy because she was wronged in the first place. She got back at her abuser and won. That’s why it’s so twisted and you still love her

amy dunne is the most compelling female character i have ever seen on screen. she is hypnotic and so cathartic to watch

i love how this is a METAPHOR that no one understood. it still shocks me at how many college graduates exist in america and yet people _still_ seem to take everything at face value rather than actually think about things and try to understand maybe what something might MEAN.

She isn't Tyler Durden. Tyler represents chaos, when she represents control. Of all cinematic villains she 's most similar to is Hannibal Lecter.

@afairyonacid

3 жыл бұрын

The way that Fincher pulled a yin yang with the ultramasculine-ultrafeminine chaos-control concept for his villianous main characters is kinda cool

@downsjmmyjones101

3 жыл бұрын

You don't think Tyler represents control with how he indoctrinated an entire workforce? Project Mayhem?

@fellowgoyimwhite7630

3 жыл бұрын

@@downsjmmyjones101 he didn't indocrinate noone, "You wanna make a omlet,you gotta break some eggs".

@downsjmmyjones101

3 жыл бұрын

@@fellowgoyimwhite7630 You don't think Project Mayhem involved indoctrination? Do you remember the first rule of Project Mayhem?

@fellowgoyimwhite7630

3 жыл бұрын

@@downsjmmyjones101 what do you mean Exactly "Indocrination" ? Because the 1st and the 2nd rules were created to be broken. Reverse Psychology.

she would have been a PERFECT SPY.

@boywholovesmen2733

3 жыл бұрын

This comment 💋💅

@seraby7151

3 жыл бұрын

Her being a bond girl was her major hollywood break and she was a double agent there lmao!

@skyward7903

3 жыл бұрын

totally!!

@masterDarts4188

3 жыл бұрын

She literally got tricked and robbed less then 2 days after making her escape plan.

@skyward7903

3 жыл бұрын

@@masterDarts4188 because she's never seen the actual world out there. She was always in her rich protected bubble or never interacted with much of other people. You become a spy through training and damn, she's one hell of a manipulator.

She truly deserved the Oscar 😭😭😭😭

I read the book after seeing the movie, My favorite part of the book which was not in the movie was the end where nick and amy Lay on the couch and rubbing her stomach she summarizes all the things that he does for her since she has become pregnant. She sums up his devotion with he loving her, Nick tells her he doesn't love her but continues rubbing her stomach. And even at that moment, you could tell they Amy was ready to live that perfectly as long as Nick was, I don't really think she cared about being really loved but having Nick do what she perceived as love. It was basically a hostage situation, Nick can't leave her and Always has to be perfect.

@valdapierre6650

3 жыл бұрын

Danm yeah

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, probably the best thing for the child would be for Nick to let the child be born and then afterwards kill Amy and himself. Better to sacrifice himself than let the child be under Amy's control.

@namkia205

Жыл бұрын

@@greywolf7577 That's actually a great solution. Both toxic POS parents dead and then Margo could raise the child and it will have an at least decent life.

It’s true though, he wanted her to be the trophy the perfect wife but never even wanted to know the real her. That’s not to say that she was a victim because she didn’t try to solve the problem and jumped straight to revenge.

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

Precisely, it's made clear that Amy spent so long trying to preserve the image of Nick's "Cool Girl", that they never really got to know each other as people, as she kept her "True" self hidden all the while. 😓

@yuki_eerhs4591

3 жыл бұрын

I think it also applies to how her parents wanted this perfect vision of her "perfect Amy" so she also had to be something else for her parents. She was essentially a trophy for them. So maybe at the beginning she was opening up to Nick but then she realised he is exactly like parents.

@moonlily1

3 жыл бұрын

That's not true. Nick never had a chance to "get to know the real Amy" because she was faking from the moment she met him and didn't start to show her true self until after they were married, and her "true self" is an absolutely horrifying person, in so far as Amy has any "true self" as her sense of personhood is totally fractured. Nor did she ever wish to "get to know the real Nick", but only treat him as a raw lump of dough to mold into the perfect husband for herself and can't deal with him when she finds out that he's not, in fact, that. Amy doesn't want to love Nick, but just control him, and when she is with Desi and begins comparing him, she admits that Nick never tried to control her, and it wasn't really that he didn't accept the real her, he just didn't LIKE the real her- but he never attempted to change her. Nor does Nick have any notion whatsoever that changing Amy is possible, whereas even at the end Amy still believes she can change Nick. training him like seal throwing little rewards his way for correct behavior and using fear to force him to be the perfect husband.

@NirvanaIsMyDrugg

3 жыл бұрын

I find it interesting at the end of the movie that they stay together - I think despite himself nick is drawn to the true Amy. Even his sister says 'you want to stay with her'

@MrBazBake

3 жыл бұрын

​@@NirvanaIsMyDrugg I find it interesting how little people actually care about Nick and only see him as a device in Amy's story. Nick stays with Amy because he was abandoned by his dad and his greatest fear is failing his child. Nick stays with Amy because he's terrified of what she'll do to his son, and Amy makes it clear that she understands this about him. He's being held hostage for the rest of his life, and it's all part of her plan. And that is why Amy Dunne is one of the most brutal villains of all time. She said she's not going to get an abortion, which means she's going to give birth to a Nick's baby and then put a metaphorical gun to their head for the next 18 years to make him do what she wants.

The great irony of this film is that when I found out that Nick didn't kill his wife, I somehow despised him more. The way he took her for granted. The way he treats not only his wife but all those around him. He actually goes from being the guy who was wrongly accused of a crime to being a nasty person in his own right. Don't get me wrong. Amy is far, far, far worse. No question. Nick is many things, a murderer isn't one of them. That said, this film does a good job of making Amy at least empathetic. Amy like many other anti-heroes (Joe Goldberg and Walter White) deserves some kind of comeuppance for her actions. However, like the best cautionary tales, the bad guy actually wins.

@PerryJoyce

3 жыл бұрын

ty ♥️

@Carol2mf

3 жыл бұрын

I like your comment. I would say she "won" living in a lie, sure it is what she wanted but we all know they will be miserable, just as Nick's sister predicts, and the worst, involving a inocent child in a messed up home.

@jayroman1978

3 жыл бұрын

What a fuckin Maniac. The lot of yous.

@MissCaraMint

3 жыл бұрын

I dissagree. He isn’t the best person obviously but he isnt filth. He’s just a normal flawed human. She is a compleat psyco. I always felt that he must have started to see under her mask at somepoint and that it drove him away. I mean We know she has a track reccord with her framing her frind for being a stalker and all. She wanst just some woman pushed too far, she was always a psyco.

@The482075

3 жыл бұрын

@@MissCaraMint She is over the top cruel. She goes to lengths that no one would go to in real life (I hope). She also faces no consequences for her villainy. The best cautionary tales has the villain winning because of a broken society. Wolf of Wall Street's ending is another good example of this trope.

for me, gone girl's story was like a revenge-fantasy. i liked the story as fiction, but there's no way to root for amy dunne in real life. the story of both nick and amy wrestles with the gender roles they feel defined by and the ending is regressive as it puts both people back in their respective "husband" and "wife" roles. it's the total opposite of a doll's house by tolstoy. amy dunne is not a feminist icon, anti-hero, or role model.

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

Ibsen, not Tolstoy.

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

If they made a movie where a man hurts his wife and men rooted for him as a revenge fantasy, people would call them misogynists. Why do people treat revenge fantasies as more acceptable when it is the woman harming the man?

@oncefighting

Жыл бұрын

@@greywolf7577 simple, we rarely express anger towards men and we’re expected to take it all in and be a champ about it. But let’s be honest here, would it even be relatable for a man getting revenge from a woman? Do men have a shared silent rage towards women?

@RED-my9hl

Жыл бұрын

@@greywolf7577 usually when men have rage towards women, they abuse her emotionally/physically. They wouldn't think to do things like Amy because they don't remain calm and calculated while angry.

If I'm ever accused of murder, I want David Fincher to represent me....

In the book, it was made clear that BOTH Amy and Nick were terrible, despicable people who throughly deserved each other. In the movie, Nick is made slightly more sympathetic, and you can understand why he continues to be married to a sociopath in order to protect his unborn child.

@arunmunagala8333

3 жыл бұрын

While i do agree that Nick was a horrible person, I'm not sure if he deserved death and prison for it . Nick did bad things like cheating and not working on their marriage yes, but Amy wanted to Kill Nick, which I feel is another level of a crime, and I'm not sure if it is the punishment he deserved for cheating on someone. Imagine if the genders were reversed and Nick wanted to kill Amy for cheating on him. I feel that the society would view that differently. However that is just my opinion and I totally understand if you disagree with it. :)

@TheTam0613

3 жыл бұрын

@@arunmunagala8333 You are a very agreeable person. I really like that you end you're comments with basically "we all can get along even with differing opinions". I rarely see that on any social media platforms. Thanks for being kind!

@myriah1969

3 жыл бұрын

@@arunmunagala8333 no I don't think that he deserves death either but you have to admit, Amy's an evil genius and incredibly smart. It was fun watching her carry out her plan with such perfection

@Visplight

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. In the book they deserve each other because they *choose* each other. Just as she chooses to stay with him, knowing he's faking, he chooses to stay because he'd rather be fake but rich, famous, and respected, than be free of her but be a disregarded, poor, low-level shlub.

@arunmunagala8333

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTam0613 Thanks a lot for saying that! I think conversations would be much more productive if we were just polite and I totally felt that talking with you today. Hope you have a great day! :)

the real victim in this story is the child

@aibileenadller3107

3 жыл бұрын

and amy's inner child herself

@iwannadissolve5653

2 жыл бұрын

Omg yes!

@namkia205

Жыл бұрын

@@aibileenadller3107 Yes, the Amy before she became this sick psychopath craving warmth she can't feel anymore.

I was absolutely not rooting for Amy but holy shit was she a fucking genius

I just love Rosamund's performance as Amy garnering the simmering anger beneath the surface depicted by her tone of voice, always repressed and low but firm

@Bjork4s

5 ай бұрын

The voice is what makes her so perfect for the role. Reese Witherspoon was supposed to be Amy and that would've been an absolute miscast eventhough i love Reese and have a full respect on her talent, but she's absolutely not right for Amy

Amy is definite proof that you can perfectly embody the traits of your man's dream girl, and being the loving partner, but he'll STILL cheat on you anyway. 😔💔

@lhallnance

3 жыл бұрын

Obviously she didn't perfectly embody much of anything since it was all an act. She pretended to be what she deemed he wanted. it was never her, so the lack of genuineness could be a factor

@DSQueenie

3 жыл бұрын

Lol what? She wasn’t perfect though. We see by his talk with her ex’s she became a different person when they married and was overbearing.

@tatioliveira8598

3 жыл бұрын

She stopped being a cool girl for him when she couldn't put up with him being a failure. He needed someone else who could validate/overlook his lack of ambition, that's why he cheated. If it was me, I would just get a divorce, let him trash someone else's life...

@plainlake

3 жыл бұрын

@@tatioliveira8598 Yeah that would be the sane approach, but a divorce would not fit into what she demanded to be. A failed marriage would just make her a part of all those other relationships that she hated. She both resented the role that society expected of her and does everything with no moral limits to be the perfect version of it.

@panfan3074

3 жыл бұрын

No she's proof to be who you are and not to build a relationship on just the idea ideal versions of each other.

Because Rosamund Pike is inextricably linked with Gone Girl, many don’t know that she has some serious range. Absolutely brilliant in A Private War.

@laurend9829

3 жыл бұрын

I think Gone Girl shows her range! There's the 1st, idealized version of Amy we see, through the lens of her diary. Then, there's the reveal of scary/revenge Amy. Then she plays the part of 'Nancy', gaining weight and a southern accent. Then, there's Desi's dream girl version of Amy she plays, in order to stage her comeback. Girl played like 4 roles in one.

@umchinagirard1800

3 жыл бұрын

And invents nuclear bomb

@rhythmoriented

3 жыл бұрын

@@umchinagirard1800 haha! Radioactive was my pick for most underrated film of this year.

@rhythmoriented

3 жыл бұрын

@@laurend9829 all great points! It’s worth noting that Charlize Theron and Natalie Portman were among the MANY who sought after the role. Still, I doubt any could have played it better than Rosamund Pike.

@zendayasfruityfrenchfry1784

3 жыл бұрын

And also in Pride and Prejudice (2005)

I’ve always said, the portrayal of a relationship from totally glorious in the beginning... to slip in to desperate despair is the truest depiction I’ve ever seen in a movie.

Amy is a villain. And I'm happy to get more complex female villains. Also just because you like her, does not mean she's technically a hero or redeemable. You can empathize, you can understand, but at the end of the day, she's still a villain. I wish people remembered that for all their favorite villains.

@jenynz5334

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't stand her. Not once thought she was a hero or rooted for her. I guess I missed something.

@hyperkid321

7 ай бұрын

@@jenynz5334 Or maybe you just have a moral compass.

@jenynz5334

7 ай бұрын

@@hyperkid321 Thank you ☺️ 🧭

@londonbowcat1

6 ай бұрын

​@@hyperkid32117:40 Amy is a victim ? Sexism? I'm laughing

I would really love it if women in media could simply be human more often. It's either "girly girl", "crazy girl", "cool girl", "the tomboy", "gold digger", "smart girl", "mean girl", "business women", "picke me girl", "strong girl", "house wife", or any box the writers decided to take a female character from. I think that's what we so love about seeing Beth Harmon from The Queen's Gambit on screen. She was just a complex human being. She was strong, yet vulnerable, cared for people but was lonely, never let other people (especially men) stop her from her goals and ambitions, yet wore feminine fashion. She doesn't fit a stereotype. Yes she's a drug addicted genius, but she is also much more than that. It's honestly really sad that characters are women first, human second in most cases.

@kittyykatie

3 жыл бұрын

yeah even more sad when there's women characters people say it's "forced diversity" or has an "agenda" like half of the world's population is women there's a side of humanity that should be explored in a more complex way

@nstar1372

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of men don’t really see men as human beings either, so it just bleeds through our media

@_Sakidora_

2 жыл бұрын

There are reductive tropes for men as well, many with videos from this pair, like 'nice guy', 'himbo', 'bad boy, 'simp' etc. etc. A lot of male writers write two dimensional female characters and there is a shortage of complex female characters in films but less so in TV and there's no shortage at all in literature.

@aquilo1714

2 жыл бұрын

That lack of complexity in film mirrors the lack of conplexity in life. When you get right down to it, how many people are really unique and special individuals that are so unique and special and unlike anything the universe has ever seen? Most people are lemmings that copy eachother. It would be nice if people were actually as multifaceted and complex as they are in films and novels but the deeper you look inside their souls, the more you realize, nothing is there. It's disgusting how little depth most of them actually have. I would prefer a stereotypical hero to what your average little modern lying whelp has become. When people talk about "humanity" and "complexity", it's almost always a codeword for pathological selfishness and parasitic emotional neuroticism. This is what most people mean when they say: they don't see enough "humanity" in film. It means they don't see their selfish little pea-brained, pathetic, troglodyte-selves, in any of the heroes that they see, in films. And that's a wonderful thing. I don't want film-characters to be more "human" if they're just going to be what humans are now. What humans are now are a pack of indecisive rats with parasitic personality disorders. They destroy, and decay, all they touch. They're ugly to every god's eye. They have no values, and only care about money. And all of them think they have the depth of a universe, or an ocean. They're nothing. And they raise the iron rod to the weak, and then swing. I'm glad you don't see these little wretches often in great legends, and film. They don't deserve much, and never will.

@Garcelle1987

2 жыл бұрын

@@_Sakidora_ True. But not only are these tropes often perpetuated by MEN themselves - But also, unlike women, these image constraints DO NOT hurt men the same way that vile, sexist tropes hurt women in the wider society

I won't say I was rooting for her but I do empathise quite a bit...she is what I could never become but I have faced similar situations that end up pushing her towards that extreme.

@AxxLAfriku

3 жыл бұрын

I broke my feet today because I kicked my computer because someone commented that my videos are bad! I hate unjustified criticism. Please wish me a speedy recovery, dear anj

@arunmunagala8333

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, however this situation sort of reminds me of how angry people were when some guys said that they understood where the joker was coming from in the movie. I often feel like those who understand and sympathize with Amy's get very pissed when some people say they understand where the joker is coming from, which I think is a bit biased. However i do understand if you disagree. Hope you have a great day! :)

@incharak1927

3 жыл бұрын

@@arunmunagala8333 I don't think people who criticize the joker, would actually support Amy tho. As far as the movies are concerned, it's much harder to feel sympathy towards Amy than the joker too.

@anjiwhatever5644

3 жыл бұрын

@@arunmunagala8333 I do not sympathise with Amy or The Joker, I empathise with both of them.. as in I understand where they are coming from even tho I don't see their actions as justified !

@toro5280

3 жыл бұрын

"pushing her towards the extreme" - she is a well-read wife beater, the abuser in an abusive relationship, and judging by how she'd framed and ruined an ex boyfriend and almost ruined (and ultimately murdered ) another I can say she was like this long before se ever met Nick. But the character is written so well that Amy manipulated YOU into feel sorry for her and hate Nick. Just like they always do "she provoked me", "she was asking for it", "I warned her, but she would not listen", "she did it to herself" etc.

Almost married a man-child. I know what its like to hate man like Nick. 😂😂😂

@realjcoop182

3 жыл бұрын

Did you plan on framing him for murder? If so HE dodged a bullet. Possibly literally.

@lordramuel1082

3 жыл бұрын

Psyco Keren alert. Future cat lady confirmed.

@nstar1372

3 жыл бұрын

No but he would’ve still gotten away with being a man child like you. She dodged a bullet

@alex23star

3 жыл бұрын

You dodged a bullet

I read something, somewhere, that the feminine and masculine romantic ideals are opposites and frequently in conflict. To summarize: The female romantic ideal appears in romcoms and is defined by a man who puts in a high level of effort. He makes grand romantic gestures, sacrifices, and actions with high personal cost. He does so publicly, and effort increases after marriage and time, rather than decreases. Men tend to not like the male leads of romantic comedies, viewing the movie antics like sausage being made: manipulations to reach a goal. The male romantic ideal is defined by a permanent payoff of effort in the form of a woman who displays a high degree of loyalty. She remains unchanging, understanding, generously sexual, and giving, regardless of his mood, appearance, worth, actions, and most importantly, fortunes. Always ready and willing, without any effort at all, the woman is easy and certain. Because she is an achieved certainty, the plot tends to gloss over her to focus on other actions in male-geared films. Women do not like the female romantic interests in male movies, viewing them as unrealistic, vacuous, sex dolls. So we see there is a direct conflict between the female desire for men to exert a lot of effort, and the male desire to stop all effort, which translates to real life with women continuing to have high expectations of putting in a lot of work on a relationship, and men expecting to coast on the bare minimum. With this in mind, Amy becomes the ultimate female revenge fantasy of every woman against every lazy boyfriend or husband. She calls out and punishes Nick for his lack of effort, and holds him accountable for his failure to meet and maintain her romantic ideal. Then she entraps Nick in a way where he will be forever forced to put in full effort. She is in such a position of power over him, that she reduces him to the sex doll role in the male ideal, whose sole purpose is to please her, while she now gets to coast. Amy attains both the female romantic ideal AND steals the male one.

Men’s responses to Amy Dunne are amazing. John Wick gets to go on a murder spree for a puppy, but women who sympathize with Amy Dunne are apparently latent psychopaths.

@AM-zr3pt

3 жыл бұрын

Yes 🤣🤣🤣

@sharazisspecial

3 жыл бұрын

John wick kills murderers and assassins. Amy kills an innocent and all her Nick problems was self made by her faking her whole personality.

@readilykatie8312

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct.

@andriaandria6997

3 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU FOR THIS

@yesno8785

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think the people in the comments were saying that to those who sympathized with her, but those who rooted for her and found her relatable. A lot of villains can be sympathized with, but it's a bit alarming if you respect or find their dangerous characteristics to be relatable.

I just realized Gone Girl is sorta a modern adaptation of the Greek tragedy Medea. A hero who has a woman at his side supported him no matter what, but the Jason/Nick disposed Medea/Amy for another woman which led the latter to commit great revenge on him. There were even Greek and Medieval writers who thought Medea is more in the right than Jason.

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

I'm betting people would be less sympathetic to a man who got horrific revenge on a cheating wife.

Nick reminds me a lot of my friends, I even had to act like their ideals of a perfect friend, that I had to step down to make them feel good about themselves. When I pointed out how I kept on doing all the hard work while they kept on manipulating me for their own gain, I was only put down and shamed for having feelings. I also want to see them punished and make them feel what I felt, and when I bring up this fact that they had hurt me, making me lash out, my school only tells me to not be vulgar (I am very vulgar when I’m pissed off), and that I shouldn’t have acted in that way, even though the signs very clearly pointed to me being hurt and manipulated by my old friends. So in a way, by watching Gone Girl, I am able to live through a revenge story that I’m unable to live out in my current situation. Sorry if this seemed draggy and I’m telling a grandfather’s story I wanted to give the whole picture.

she's iconic idc idc

People will enjoy the dark morality of characters like Patrick bateman, Tyler Durden, Hannibal lector, and Walter White but think Amy Dunne is the most evil person in history, irredeemable from understanding :0 but I think her actions are fascinating

@downsjmmyjones101

3 жыл бұрын

I think the way her actions are treated by the story is the most interesting. Durden dies as does Walter. Amy lives and also goes back to her old marriage. What does that say? Be crazy, get away with it?

@realjcoop182

3 жыл бұрын

Hannibal is in prison. Walter is dead. Amy gets to be a mother & free. The hate is that she faces no consequences for her actions. Accountability escapes women once again

@marasxhino

3 жыл бұрын

@@realjcoop182 that's within the movie's setting. I'm talking about real life people reacting to the characters themselves. Amy Dunne is a bad person just like the rest of the characters I listed but I'm saying that real people idolize the other characters and only see her character as completely evil.

@Garcelle1987

2 жыл бұрын

It's because men often place their warped hatred of women above everything

@namkia205

Жыл бұрын

@@realjcoop182 But she got consequences, she never will be loved by a husband, since her own husband hates her. She will never get the attention and validation she craves so much.

Rosamund should’ve won some sort of award. Amy was scary but I rooted for her at the same time!!

@lordramuel1082

3 жыл бұрын

OOF! it's like the edgy joker fanboys but female.

@lordramuel1082

2 жыл бұрын

@Laura Kay if you see nothing wrong with rooting for a psychopath I don’t know what to tell you.

@samlievesley2008

2 жыл бұрын

how are you rooting for her? please just tell me how

Ms Pike should have won an Oscar. This is excellent film about suppressed female rage that goes on in marriages everyday, and an excellent essay on gender, marriage, status, media and race in contemporary times - taken to an extreme for drama. That's storytelling. Not surprised about the black lash; most people ignorant about these issues. Again, excellent job from THE TAKE in breaking it down. Love, LOVE everything you do!!!!!!

I love Gillian Flynn so much. I hope she writes another book.

Amy is definitely one of the most exciting characters in film in the past 20 years. I will never get tired rewatching this film! Rosamund Pike deserved an Oscar for this role🏆

Gillian Flynn is a fantastic writer. Love her or hate her, Amy is a fascinating character and I’m so happy she exists.

@incharak1927

3 жыл бұрын

@@smartass0124 Don't get married. Better yet don't date women at all, problem solved.

@TheTam0613

3 жыл бұрын

@@smartass0124 Your comments are extremely tiring. We're talking about a fictional book and movie. A fictional character. And honestly, men commit violence against women, even down to murder, quite frequently. Please stop making ridiculous, and totally off topic remarks. We get it, you hate women and think men are the true victims in life. I'm sorry if you encountered some gendered trauma. But this is just a book & movie.

@monabohamad2242

3 жыл бұрын

@@smartass0124then stop giving women reasons/a reason to "hate men"

but i think women sympathizing with her in a way says a lot how women feel in this society

Why do we need to make every female characters feminist or not. Why can't she just be a good character without having a bunch of different ideologies thrown onto her. I like that Amy's got such a different take from different people because it shows she's a well written character with depth

i’d love to see a “BAD GIRL TROPE explained” - like maeve from sex education, effy from skins etc...

@Ergoperidot

3 жыл бұрын

Effy might be the best execution of “seems cool but deep down has a lot of problems” I’ve ever seen. Not sure what that trope is called but I love Effy as a character.

@daisy8440

3 жыл бұрын

i’d say probably the bad girl trope. most characters in the bad girl trope have a lot of problems if you stop to think about it, but i could be wrong

@zendayasfruityfrenchfry1784

3 жыл бұрын

You will never get that because Bad girls hardly exist in cinema. For a hundred bad boys there’s only ONE bad girl. That’s why I believe it’s a misogynistic trope because men don’t have the fantasy of having to change a woman but they do have the fantasy of woman not wanting to change them. I don’t know if you get what I mean.

@Ergoperidot

3 жыл бұрын

@@zendayasfruityfrenchfry1784 I can’t really speak to the sexism of any particular trope but if you’ll allow another perspective; I always saw the “bad boy” as a quintessential female romantic fantasy. In that way, I feel like the manic pixie dream girl would be more equivalent to the bad boy trope than the bad girl trope because that’s a more popular male fantasy. They are both romantic ideals in cinema, healthy or not

@justnattnatt

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ergoperidot the bad girl trope is kind of another female fantasy. In real life, girls at a young age are already conditioned to be this and that. There’s already expectations set (cant stay out late, close your legs when sitting; speak softly, always be the bigger person; etc). To be the “bad girl” is to be free on your expressions and not giving a fuck about what others say and not being suppressed by expectations. Literally everything opposite of what girls are conditioned to be.

Me: *sees title* *immediately clicks*

@tasfiatasnim6035

3 жыл бұрын

Same here,T J, same here.

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

Likewise, I adore "Gone Girl", and I'm excited to see their take on the crafty, duplicitous Amy Elliott Dunne! 😍

@bloggerblogg5878

3 жыл бұрын

Same here.

What I took away from this video was the play-through of a women taking the masculine role of dictating exactly how her husband was supposed to be and how to conduct himself; the "horrific" idea of a women controlling a man. This is a role historically held by men; for a woman to assume this role feels wrong for our social expectations. We have socially accepted the idea of a man controlling and dictating women but not the other way around. Obviously, a healthy dynamic is where both people are honest and respectful of one another and respectful of each others boundaries.

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

Generally the men didn't control the wives by framing them for murder. Why do you put the word "horrific" in parenthesis? A woman controlling a man is just as horrific as the reverse.

I just saw Gone Girl and I have to say it’s the perfect tale of revenge. Amazing Amy is quite skilled. I’ve never seen a better execution of such a satisfyingly detailed plot of vengeance. It’s incredulous that Rosamund Pike didn’t get the Oscar for this. Regardless, Gone Girl will is one of the best movies I’ve ever seen. And clearly the movie has a big following.

@greywolf7577

2 жыл бұрын

I'm betting if a man framed his cheating wife for murder, he would not get as much sympathy from the movie viewers as Amy did.

@autumntaylor4630

Жыл бұрын

@@greywolf7577 wrong. Men find it cathartic to punish women and other men justify it all the time. Especially for a cheating woman, to men that's grounds to punish women to the ultimate extent. I guarantee there would be a great deal of men who would go "that's what you get you cheating bitch."

@Rotting12

6 ай бұрын

@@greywolf7577ye cause women actually have decent reasons

"He became someone I did not agree to marry." That happens so often! Men are great partners as boyfriends, you fall in love, then you get married and they become lazy cheating assholes. I've heard many women say they wouldn't have married their husband if they knew what they would become.

@panfan3074

3 жыл бұрын

She also started the relationship off as a lie she says it herself.

@MissCaraMint

3 жыл бұрын

She tried to change him and was dissappointed that it didn’t stick. I really don’t feel sorry for here here. She created her own mess, and now she’s blaiming someone ells for not putting on the same kind of mask and playing pretend like she does. She is toxic.

@monabohamad2242

3 жыл бұрын

@@MissCaraMint more like a murderous,deluded,lying, delusional:(seemingly sexist/mysoginistic/mysanthropic perhaps?): psychopath/sociopath

@stefanycarrasco6245

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not talking about the movie here, just quoting her line and applying it to the reality of many marriages. Marriages that start off as genuine, at least from the woman's part.

@fellowgoyimwhite7630

3 жыл бұрын

@@stefanycarrasco6245 actually,is the inverse,woman that are like that.

She is basically like the tv show YOU but everyone loves YOU but hates this movie? A man can do this but a woman scare people. I think it’s the character complexity what people appreciate. Not all movies or tv shows gives you justice at the end.

@crod9905

3 жыл бұрын

I've been saying this! Even down to how people view Beck and Nick, who are essentially the same character.

@anu.

3 жыл бұрын

No, I detest them both equally. Most people don't like creepy people, period. It's not about their gender.

@IRHasDiabetes911

3 жыл бұрын

I've never watched YOU. I saw a trailer for it where I presume the main character narrator was talking about how perfect the girl was and how he'd be the perfect guy for her and I just thought I couldn't stand to have that as the main character and narrator. That show honestly from everything I know is completely insufferable.

@panfan3074

3 жыл бұрын

>$369.3 million >Fincher's highest-grossing film. >87% on rotten tomatoes. Yeah people "hate" this movie

@melissam597

3 жыл бұрын

@@anu. I think it is though, women were fangirling all over Joe on Twitter & other social media when it premiered, yet I’ve only heard men say they were afraid of Amy

Did they watch the movie? The clips that they used to characterize Nick and Amy’s relationship like him (overspending and using her only for sex) didn’t actually happen. Those were taken from her journal, which she specifically wrote to make him seem like a violent abuser. The real Amy Dunn the wasn’t a traumatized housewife living a life of quiet desperation, she was a sociopath whose self obsession drove her husband into an affair with one of his students. SHE was the abuser!

@wetsock7790

3 жыл бұрын

Dude what? She sacrificed everything for that mariage, and she only expected the bare minimum from nick. And he cheated on her. And if you blame her on the reason nick cheated... Lets just say that says a lot of you as a person

@winstonmarlowe5254

3 жыл бұрын

@@wetsock7790 Just read the book instead of embarrassing yourself like this. Jesus Christ...

@wetsock7790

3 жыл бұрын

@@winstonmarlowe5254 im talking about the movie not the book. Maybe in the book it's different but its a comment under a MOVIE analysis

@wetsock7790

3 жыл бұрын

@@winstonmarlowe5254 like the commenter literally started with stating that comment is about the movie

@kiera6326

2 жыл бұрын

Admittedly, the movie is deliberately ambiguous with this. There are certain scenes, such as the argument over pregnancy and physical abuse scene that are clearly fabricated for the diary. There are other scenes however, that are implied to be fabricated however are NOT shot with monologue from the diary, implicating the opposite. There also scenes that have no implication either way, and is really left up to interpretation. Nick using her for sex is one of those scenes. We, as the audience, know that this is 100% something Nick would do. We also know that lying about it in the diary is 100% something Amy would do. Whichever interpretation clicks in your head first is the one you go with. However, it’s important to bear in mind that others interpreted it differently and there’s no correct answer to it. Personally, I think it’s implausible to assume that every single thing Amy mentions or hints in the diary is a complete fabrication. We know Nick is a bad husband. We know this is something he’s probably done. In my opinion, Amy took, exaggerated, and weaponised it, and I think that’s ultimately what the diary is- a series of fabricated events characterised by her real feelings. She got these feelings from somewhere, and so illustrated them with more concise and exaggerated events than what actually happened to cause them. I also never got the impression that Amy was at fault for Nick’s infidelity- of course, we’re only told how loving and perfect she was through her own eyes, and so it’s possible Nick noticed and was unnerved by her narcissism, however Nick is also shown to be hopelessly passive to anything involving Amy. The point is, he _doesn’t_ notice her narcissism, unless she makes it clear to him. He’s just not interested in her. Ultimately, I think the correct answer is a bit of both. He wasn’t interested in her initially, because he was already married to her, reflected all of his own interests back at him, and was getting older and less alluring, promoting him to start thinking about cheating. Amy, noticing this change and frustrated by her inability to to do anything about it, let her anger show for a bit and he was unsettled enough by it that he distanced himself even further and was more besotted with his new girlfriend than he would have been if he hadn’t seen anything amiss. I think the fact he uses the same romantic actions in Andie confirms it was less to do with any real issues he had with Amy; if he’d been really disturbed or angry with her for whatever reason, it’s unlikely he’d have done something like that that would remind him of her.

Amy falsely accused someone of rape, that automatically negates anything positive you can say