I know someone who was in the middle of moving house when he got the knock on the door. Somehow he managed to get them to carry his sofa a mile up the road to his new home, and as an extra bonus, they did not come back.

@momszycat4148

4 жыл бұрын

😄

@TheDizzleHawke

4 жыл бұрын

Pro tip.

@Ultrasonic2013

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheDizzleHawke f2f.press/ "FACE TO FACE" was launched in February 2019 as an online magazine on religious liberty and human rights in Russia published daily Scholars, journalists, and human rights activists from different countries are working together to give the voice for the voiceless by publishin news, documents, and testimonies about persecutions against all religions in Russia.

@unit0033

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ultrasonic2013 what does this have to do with post

@goldrussh

4 жыл бұрын

@@unit0033 at least it's not about a "business" where you can supposedly make $100,000 a month

In the 1970's my Uncle Jim on my mothers side of the family became a JW Elder, I was raised an Anglican - now Atheist. He would talk about his beliefs and he was a biblical literalist, ranging from the age of earth and Noah's flood. I tended to dismantle just about every one of his statements with scientific evidence. My mom eventually asked me not to attack his beliefs and I told her I would only if he stopped preaching. Needless to say I was not a favorite niece of my Uncle Jim.

A guy came to my door and asked, “Would you like to be a witness for Jehovah?” I said, “I didn’t see the accident.” *Boom Tish*

@theinvisiblequeen

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the laugh!

@BushcraftingBogan

4 жыл бұрын

Jan Wyman you’re welcome. I’m just a regular guy, and the reason for that is I eat a lot of bran flakes. *Boom Tish

@jacketrussell

4 жыл бұрын

I don't believe in Jesus, so can I become a Jehovah's Bystander?

@theinvisiblequeen

4 жыл бұрын

@@jacketrussell Ha! Another goodie.

@jacketrussell

4 жыл бұрын

@@theinvisiblequeen Did you hear about the Amish girl who got excommunicated? Too Mennonite.......

"I hear you knocking.... but you can't come in" - Dave Edmunds

@pirbird14

4 жыл бұрын

"Somebody's knockin' - should I let him in? Lord, it's the devil - would you look at him..."

@shriggs55

4 жыл бұрын

" Who could it be knocking at my door? Go away,don't come round here no more."-Men at Work

@cavecookie1

4 жыл бұрын

"Is it you again outside, just bangin' on my front door" ZZ Top.

@Horses4life1001

4 жыл бұрын

"Hello, it's me I was wondering if after all these years you'd like to meet, To go over everything"

@CGoldthorpe

4 жыл бұрын

"...whose that ringin the bell. do me a favor open the door and let em go"

I was raised in the religion left when I was 16. I was kicked out of my home. My family disowned me, I was shunned. To top it all off I was abused by an elder and when I told my story at 16, my mom n the organization did nothing. The religion/cult is so terrible. It took my innocence at the age of 5 and it left me without a family. I'm 26 and I have never looked back

@NeatoboyAus

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear of your abuse and shunning. I'm glad you made it out!

@LimitlessThinker

4 жыл бұрын

So very sorry to hear that you went thru those things. I'm glad you are free now.

@AnemicLeader

4 жыл бұрын

@@LimitlessThinker yes, I'm happy that I was stronger enough to get out. I have been through therapy and that experience doesn't define my life anymore. I just wish that these cults/religions didnt exist because thinking that some other child or person could be going through what I did hurts really bad.

Had a visit from the JW half a year ago and had really good conversation for couple of hours, being prepped for it by the Atheist Experience and Seth's speeches. The talk was peaceful and respectful from both sides and I looked forward to see them again to continue, but for some reason they have stopped coming to my door. Now I'm sad.

@JamesRichardWiley

4 жыл бұрын

I had the same experience. I never saw them again.

@DanielMendoza-qq5pv

4 жыл бұрын

Lol their not gonna waste their time

I also was raised in a cult,Seventh-day Adventist. The trauma after the break is real. Thankfully it goes away with time and filling your life with facts and finding a new family of like minded people.

@jaredcoleman9313

4 жыл бұрын

I never heard this from someone from that group. I usually hear that about JW's and Mormons. I need to look into them

@coffeemachtspass

4 жыл бұрын

And now you can eat steaks!

@momszycat4148

4 жыл бұрын

@@coffeemachtspass lol,right! But I'm vegetarian for other reasons now!😁

@coffeemachtspass

4 жыл бұрын

Momszy Cat But, they are YOUR reasons, not some mandate from heaven to keep you from lustful sinning. Seems like a win to me.

@momszycat4148

4 жыл бұрын

@@coffeemachtspass indeed!

When I was a teenager I had a conversation with a friend of mine, "do you ever wish you could just get hit by a car and refuse a blood transfusion?" "So you could just wake up in paradise and be done with this world?" "Yes." "All the time." We were not alone. Also, several kids got abused. The only reason the man was caught? A brother defied the elders to walk on stage and yell out the guy was a pedophile. Immediately several girls and boys started balling. If the elders had their way, he'd have prayed for forgiveness and gone on preying on kids. What more do you need to know?

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

4 жыл бұрын

Brave guy! Good on him. Poor children.

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 The bastard had been a babysitter and had watched nearly every kid.bi had a grandma and so I was one of the lucky ones. The elders had been telling the father, he's repentant, there's no need to go to the police. The father later stood up in front of us all and grabbed a mike. They immediately cut the audio. He started yelling. They tried to tackle him. All very dramatic... But I just kept thinking, why would they go so far on behalf of a pedophile when nearly every kid had been raped?! It was monstrous. A key reason I went from questioning to, I can't be a part of this organization.

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

4 жыл бұрын

@@vesuvanprincess wow. i saw that popularish yt vid of a woman doing the same at her church. she stood and exposed a man who had raped her. the other men there assaulted her to shut her up. really boils the blood. we're going to take these fucks down.

@LimitlessThinker

4 жыл бұрын

These stories are heartbreaking.

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

@Andy Sandoval I appreciate what you are saying but in this case the matter was already adjudicated. That bastard was tried and sent to prison. As to suing for damages, I leave that to my peers who were harmed. I myself was one of the lucky ones and it's very much not my place.

As a former JW, this triggers me and brings back so many painful memories.

@hindsightpov4218

4 жыл бұрын

philbyification Aw. Thank you. Any support really does mean a lot because generally people can be rather dismissive when former JWs tell their story. At the beginning of the Leah Remini A&E special episode about Jehovah’s Witnesses, they showed a clip of ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses protesting outside the Watchtower Society’s main office. One of the protesters said unless you’ve lived it, you couldn’t possibly understand what it’s like to live as a Jehovah’s Witness. That is very true. When I tell people how intense and soul destroying it can be, they act like I’m exaggerating and being dramatic. Even my former therapist was like that. Only when I talk about it am I able to make peace with what happened. But most people don’t want to hear it. Fortunately, my current therapist is empathetic and understands for the most part what I’m talking about since he has a relative who is a Jehovah’s Witness so he knows I’m not making any of this up.

@RalphRoberts1

4 жыл бұрын

Is there a KZread video youre familiar with that best puts it into perspective?

@hindsightpov4218

4 жыл бұрын

Ralph Roberts Lloyd Evans (John Cedars) and Owen (Telltale) both have KZread channels that regularly upload videos about what goes on with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Amber Scorah is relatively new on the scene so I’m not as familiar with her. Here are some KZread videos that summarize what Jehovah’s Witnesses are about: “Everything You Need to Know About Jehovah's Witnesses in 5 Minutes” m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2llzqipfq_Tm9I.html “9 Things You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses” m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/gZyClrN6mbPVdJs.html “3 Important Things To Know if You Study With Jehovah’s Witnesses” m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6eG19CMj5Suh5s.html “Are Jehovah's Witnesses A Cult?” m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/gIplqbyLeaa7ndY.html “Ex-Jehovah's Witness Visits JW World Headquarters” m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZWdkl8WYc6mcebA.html

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

As a fellow former JW, I'm right there with you.

@SusiPineapple

4 жыл бұрын

i am exjw too. Much love to you x

I was approached by two ladies pioneering this past weekend; one a very elderly person- like myself, the other a younger one, learning the craft so to speak. Perfect, this is just the scenario I wish for... it began with the usual attempt at warming me up with the traditional "the world is so full of evil nowadays..." I politely disagreed with her and pointed out that there was just as much and probably more evil done back in the day but it's good that now we can uncover those acts like the church abuse of children today that would have been hidden from view thanks to tools such as the internet. And so it went with every assertion made by the team leader that was promptly yet respectfully taken apart and examined such that the younger started asking questions instead of making assertions that I knew I had flipped the situation and planted the seed of doubt in her mind. It was the best I could hope for; after all when she returns to the hive she will be re-groomed before being sent out again, but my hope is if I can flip just one, inoculated with doubt and uncertainty, it will all have been worthwhile.

Next time they come to my house, I will cordially invite them inside, offer them tea, and tell them I am apostate. I hope to record a video of the events that follow.

Woot, TellTale! Lloyd and Amber are great. I've been meaning to read her book.

Oh GOOD!!! You have Lloyd Evans / John Cedars on here.... hes got a great channel.

@watchtowerwitch4426

4 жыл бұрын

Mike & Kim too....

Wow! Adam and Eve were created a thousand years *after* Neithhotep united Egypt's upper and lower kingdoms. How does that work?

@coffeemachtspass

4 жыл бұрын

Sean D Magic. Don’t dare question the authority of the solemn elders at the head of the table. If you had more faith, you would see the wonderful wonders that all of us can see. And similar slimy psychological tactics.

@Dracopol

4 жыл бұрын

Brown people made in Genesis, chapter 1, don't count!

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

Don't think about it. I came home from school one day and said, "there is a myth about a flood that predates the Bible." My dad just said "that's not true" and walked away. Simple as that.

@thomasmaughan4798

4 жыл бұрын

Your question is unclear. Are you asking how God created Adam and Eve? If so, I don't know the answer.

@WWZenaDo

4 жыл бұрын

Well, now we know where "Cain" got his wife, and who those people were that "Cain" was afraid would kill him if he didn't have a 'mark'.

Telltale comes up in my recommendations all the time. If he's wondering why why there's been a slowdown of the athiest push, I'd put that squarely on the MRA/red-pill crowd that overtook the narrative.

@coffeemachtspass

4 жыл бұрын

I have run into some of those in organizations: perpetually triggered / the new righteous ones.

@waterandafter

4 жыл бұрын

I kind of got tired of hearing, "good that you agree there's no god, now get in that kitchen and make me a sammich and you suck at gaming".

@Ultrasonic2013

4 жыл бұрын

f2f.press/ "FACE TO FACE" was launched in February 2019 as an online magazine on religious liberty and human rights in Russia published daily Scholars, journalists, and human rights activists from different countries are working together to give the voice for the voiceless by publishin news, documents, and testimonies about persecutions against all religions in Russia.

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

@@waterandafter I totally agree.

This conversation could go on for like 5 hours. There's so much to go over on JW's.

@karenrausch1566

2 ай бұрын

Nut case

I love a meme I saw that said that Jehovah's witness don't celebrate Halloween because they don't like random strangers coming up to their front door.

I tell them that I am an Atheist, 'you know the one's that think'.

@Luubelaar

4 жыл бұрын

How very dare you think for yourself! /s

@cormyat07

4 жыл бұрын

As a former JW I can tell you-- they have some scripted sophistry for you. Don't think because you're an atheist you're not going to get preached to.

I really, really enjoyed this talk. My wife is an EX JW.... And, she has experienced everything you all discuss here. FANTASTIC stuff! So glad you guys posted this!

I had to go so far as to modify the sign on the window of my front door of my house: "No solicitors OR religious groups". This did stop the weekly knocks at my door, but it didn't stop them from interrupting me while I was mowing my lawn on the weekend.

Thanks Seth, great interview.

Thank you very much! I’m exJW

Wonderful podcast! Amber, Owen, & Lloyd Thank you all for everything that you do! I did my "coming out" JW story and if anything I'm glad that I'm not the only one who saw something wrong with this organization!

The blood transfusion thing is odd in that they don’t take any precautions against actually eating blood. Soaking and salting as we do or only eating liver roasted over an open fire are considered “adding to the scriptures “

@sauljewhebrewberg3147

4 жыл бұрын

Doctor B : Good point, they seem to pick and choose what they want to especially when it comes to the Mosaic Law.

Seth, please do another show about the HUGE child abuse scandal and the Aug 2019 New York extension of the Statute of limitations which is bringing exjw out of the woodwork because Watchtower is headquartered in New York state. This is a BIG story. And very interesting. Thanks for this show.

Im from Trinidad where Tony Morris gave the talk. On Christmas day i saw JWs walking the street and my mom was asking me why they choose xmas day to do this and i told her its the perfect time to get those who are alone for the holidays. They're practically hunting for the vulnerable. It was quite sad. So yes they do take getting their hours seriously.

As an ex jw, THANK YOU for doing another episode on this and THANK YOU for having my favorite and in my opinion the BEST content creators on to discuss and inform on this topic. THANK YOU.

I find that asking a barrage of polite Bible specific questions that the person at the door can't answer makes them not come back. It's been 13 years since I moved out of my parents' house and JW has still not been back since I put the last couple of old ladies through my questionaire. I asked my parents if they asked the JW to not come back and neither of them has done that, so I can just assume that it's because of my questions.

I think that whomever came up with the term "batsh*t crazy" was referring to the JW cult.

@jasoncarpp7742

4 жыл бұрын

I think that applies to *all* extremist religions. "Fundamentalist" Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses", Mormons, Southern Baptists, Calvinists, etc.

@RobGravelle

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasoncarpp7742 Definitely.

@jacketrussell

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasoncarpp7742 Nah.....it just applies to all religions, regardless. 😉

@shriggs55

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasoncarpp7742 Finally,someone said it! Fundamentalists Christians are a cult! Of course they don't think they are(like most cult members)because they can come and go as they please-and-in their minds at least,they in the basic doctrines of the Christian faith like,the deity of Jesus,the trinity,the physical resurrection of Jesus and so on.But still...?

@tracer740

4 жыл бұрын

@Mister Hand - YIPES!

Everything based on the word of a "prophet". Instead of just telling Noah, Abraham, Paul, Russell, what's on his mind, in private, why didn't god tell EVERYONE at the same time. Would have given him a lot more credibility.

@electrantics9489

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Theres a quote, i forget who is from that goes: " revelation only to the writer and hear say for the rest"

Here in Phoenix I counted six carts while walking to the bank and home by a different route. I got rid of them very effectively. They knocked. I invited them in with a caveat: When they were done I would talk to them about my God. When they were seated they asked what God I wanted to talk about. I was truthful. The Great Goddess because I was a witch. They fought their way out of my home and never came back!

And another thing any witness can remove any other witness they personally judge. I’m not disfellowshiped, disassociated, or removed yet my family (including my grandchildren, in-laws, etc.) shun me. What a loving organization,right?

This was very informative and interesting!

A couple of weeks ago, two JWs came to my door. When they finally identified themselves, I warned them, that the last time I talked with one of their group, THEY said that they had to go, they were out of time... The two women still wanted to talk, so we talked for a long, long time, and as I predicted, they became fidgety and said they had to continue... About 20 minutes AFTER they began to say they had to go, they finally left. I find these talks hilarious, and the time they talk to me, they can't talk with others... :D

@JamesRichardWiley

4 жыл бұрын

I think JW's are looking for company in a world they can't comprehend. So they make up an alternative reality where they can play their own game.

43:00 Witnesses occasionally re-call on families/houses they've been asked to not visit - because people move, new people are born, someone other than the specific person who asked them not to visit might answer the door...

I used to answer the door to jehovas witnesses in a thong and pasties, it's worth mentioning that I'm a bald, massively tattooed severely hirsute man... They no longer knock on my door.

@baronsamedi7304

4 жыл бұрын

I just answer with the dong and nothin

@biggregg5

4 жыл бұрын

Lol....classic

@jasoncarpp7742

4 жыл бұрын

I've encountered JW people on the street near where I lived. They would hand out free "Bibles". Most times, I would just tell them "no thanks. I'm not interested", and be on my merry way.

@georgemckenzie1824

4 жыл бұрын

i took the bible....invited them in....chain locked the door....and pushed the couch up against the door...served beverages, and proceeded to dismantle everything they said... they gave in and came back a couole of days with a superior....same routine...locked door, and pushed couch against door and rolled up my sleeves, and went to work again...same result and two more visits of more superior superiors, and finally....they knocked on the door....refused to come in...and asked for thier bible back....not only are they batshit crazy...their indian givers too...lol....

@saffronhammer7714

4 жыл бұрын

I was a JW for most of my life. People answering the door as you did never stopped myself or anyone I knew from returning. Naked men, dogs set on us, guns brandished at me, neb yelling obscenities --all from a very young age. Never stopped us. Merely made us think it proved we were god;s chosen people. Jesus promised his followers would be persecuted.

I got them to stop coming to my door by telling them I'm not interested, take me off any lists they may have my address on, and if I see another witness at my door I'll call the police and report them for harrassment. They never came back.

Nice guests with a good critical thinking !

There was a case years ago of a guy in an auto accident hitting an old woman. She was JW, so denied a transfusion, and subsequently died. She might have lived with a transfusion. The guy was charged with vehicular homicide, when we can’t know if her religious restrictions really caused her death

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

From a legal standpoint, that's fascinating.

The Do Not Call List lasts officially only a year, at which point elders will call again to determine if the householder still feels the same way.

@d_e_a_n

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. Telltale said it was 10 years. Where I live, the territory gets covered about once every year or two. But when you go on the do not call list, it just means that an elder (which is worse) is going to call on you once a year to make sure you are still not interested.

@saffronhammer7714

4 жыл бұрын

@@d_e_a_n yup

It’s great listening to your panel of former JWs. Current JWs will not disclose as much as three-quarters of what Lloyd, Amber and Owen have disclosed. It’s all about impression management, controlling the narrative. Your typical JW is fresh-faced and naive in their efforts to spread their word. They are not overtly manipulative. But make no mistake: They have been well trained in one-way monologues with “interested” householders yet they do not “hear” themselves as manipulative - especially if you have been raised in it. Thanks for airing this level of information and for the insights of your panel

WOW my (3) favorite Activist dropping truth 💣💣 bombs on the WT/GB madness!! I began to wake up from the JW's by reading about Mormons and watching videos of episodes entitled.."I was a Mormon". Then John Dehlin's excommunication was broadcast on television. I started following him and I noticed a ton of similarities between the JW's and the Mormons. This was an eye-opener for me!! After that I got the courage to go to KZread and look up.. "Why do people leave the Jehovah's Witnesses faith"...that's when I really started waking up! I became obsessed listening to all ExJW stories on KZread and the FEAR of the "so called" apostates that we are taught to detest started to become a different reality, they are just people telling their experiences when they were an active JW and why they left. So all the stigma started to dwindle. Then I branched out and started looking into Seventh Day Adventist, Scientology, Christadelphians, The Brethren, Christian Science. I started noticing the parallels between all the religions, and it runs deep...no questioning, no doubting and everything comes from the top down. The rank-and-file are just the followers with no personal self, no individuality. After you wake up and start seeing these things it can take a toll on you, especially if this is the only thing you have known all your life! It is really tough! The phobias and fears, can mess with a person's mind. Now I see why a lot of people resort to suicide, it is scary but the good thing is there's help!! The internet has played a big part in all of this! Now I look at people as being just human beings trying to do their best, trying to deal with all the stresses and anxieties in this world. I can now honestly say that life is better on the outside! 💯

My dad was PO for almost two decades, my cousin and his wife were in Bethel for over 20 years in Patterson, NY. I was a regular auxiliary pioneer for a little over two years in my teens, on and off aux pioneering for a couple more after I started working full time and left around 2003, when I was 25 yrs old after being disfellowshipped for having sex with my then studying fiancee who was an unbaptized publisher at the time. We both left, she was an atheist anyway who'd introduced me to The God Delusion when we met the year before. I realized that I'd been praying to no one the evening after my judicial committee meeting when the elders told me their decision to DF me, I was in my bathroom reflecting on the reality of doing everyday things of routine, like brushing my teeth, going to sleep, waking up etc. without god anymore, since I was now 'outside' my relationship with him, which the elders took the time to make the most clear to me that night: I was alone now , and things like prayer would feel different now that god had left me (because I left him). Well, it didn't.....and then it hit me like a ton of bricks....

Two of these cultists knocked on the door last week. With their glassy stares and denture commercial smiles I thought someone had left a couple of Madame Tussaud waxwork figures outside the door as a prank. It was only after they spoke that I realised more sense would have come from a dummy.

I am very late in listening to this podcast but I had to laugh when they mentioned Googling info on JWs. Two women visited my door around 2008. I refused the Watchtower and told them I'd look it up online and they told me that computers were evil and they would never let their kids get on one. I told them I watched parents who were my aunts and uncles who were JWs in my younger years and seen how much fear they put their kids through. I would prefer not mistreating my kids like that.

What is the difference between a Lada and a Jehovahs Witness ? You can shut the door on a Jehovahs Witness.

A family of JWs moved in two doors down from us when I was a kid. The parents were nice, but the kids were very misbehaved and bullies.

Great show

44:00 ish - I was never told to keep records of door-to-doors... of any kind. Then again, I didn't go door-to-door but a few times.

@dantoinettetaylor1663

4 жыл бұрын

I was told to keep records. Did so meticulously. Some records also make for great stories in the end to use at conventions and assemblies to show how some "got the truth"

Years ago, I had Witnesses stopping by at least once a month. I tried to be polite and dismissive. One day my son was cleaning his snake cage and handed me his snake to hold. I let it climb into my shirt and forgot about it. When the Witnesses arrived, I began my, "I have my own beliefs...." speech when the Witnesses eyes got huge and they started to back off the porch. I was confused until I looked down and saw the snake's head peaking out of my shirt. Needless to say, the visits stopped.

Great talk but I wish Telltale and Amber got to talk more. Lloyd seemed to dominate the conversation and the other two had a hard time getting a word in unless Seth moderated it.

ex here, too :)

What this is all about is "the Book".Most of these cults base what they believe and teach on the Bible.As well as the 30,000 denominations or so in Christianity.The three Abrahamic religions come from "the Book" also(of course).The target should be the Bible,if you ever want to get anywhere with these groups.Pointing out the contradictions,inconsistencies,atrocities,absurdities bad science,bad advice,etc,in the Bible,might go along way in convincing them of their delusion.Even showing them the history of the Bible and how it was put together in the 4th century might help-if they let you get that far.

31:15 Pre-baptismal recruits have the option to ask any question about any thing and also the option to not request baptism - baptism constitutes a public-admission of understanding and acceptance of the tenets and particulars of the faith - Witnesses changing their behavior towards someone who they see as falling away, after baptism, is what scripture tells them to do: 'remove the wicked from among yourselves', 1 Cor 5:13. Most people would agree that you can't examine Witness beliefs for an undetermined amount of time, request and follow through with the public declaration of baptism/acceptance of the group's beliefs, then unrepentantly turn away without being disfellowshipped, as communicated by verses like Hebrews 10:26 You can't join any group then turn traitor - even if your reasoning is sound. 'Oathbreaker' is what you're seen as.

Thank you for keeping people informed! I've always known I don't need anyone's permission to believe those I love and lost are in a good place, it's my personal belief and in general I'm totally anti-religion person. How do we protect ourselves from JW folks? Here in Ukraine they tend to pay us a visit every year, and they obviously aim at the local children. I find it disgusting. They bring along toys, amusement-park-on-wheels and other stuff. Loud music, lots of people, things seem harmless at the beginning, but we all know what's next( As for those door-knockers, I once found a way to get rid of them. When they visited my home years ago, I ask my late grandfather to go out and have a talk. He was 78y.o. die-hard communist, kinda alcoholic and theist. That was a blast! =D I was standing behind the front door, watching how those guys' faces were changing as my grandpa keept schooling them about communism and corrupted government. After 40 min, they looked so sad, and were only nodding at everything he was telling them =D One of the most hilarious events of my life!

Wait, these people actually believe themselves to be slaves to their god? So nobody told Jehovah that slavery is morally wrong and illegal then

@RickReasonnz

4 жыл бұрын

It's not immoral to Jehovah. Which makes him the monster we all know.

@momszycat4148

4 жыл бұрын

It's not only condoned but regulated by God in the old testament.

@thomasmaughan4798

4 жыл бұрын

"nobody told Jehovah that slavery is morally wrong" You can be the first to do so!

If I didn't know better, I'd swear they make this shit up as they go along.

@JamesRichardWiley

4 жыл бұрын

They do. It's all make believe and easily debunked. If you are not afraid of dying and going to hell you cannot be victimized because that is the imaginary weapon religion uses to control its members..

the blood transfusion thing bothers me the most. This is one of the things when religious freedom should be rated lower than other rights like childrens right to live

@MegaPeedee

4 жыл бұрын

Murder - pure and simple. If you make the decision concerning your child then you are murdering your child. If you make the decision for your own life then your are murdering yourself. How glad I am that Jehovah's Witnesses have such high moral standards.

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

If you had asked me about it as a child I'd have said i was proud to die for my God if he required it of me. As an adult, I figure I'm damn lucky it never came up.

I guess I was considered belligerent b/c I got put on the "do not call list" by the JWs the last time they appeared at my door and I told them I didn't believe in their god. They asked if I wanted them to not come again and I said yes. However, I got approached in the parking lot of a Walgreens drug store last December while I was getting in my car after picking up a prescription for my mother who I had spent the previous night with at the emergency room and I was exhausted. I was admittedly rude and told her to go away, that I was an atheist.

I noticed the Cart pusher JW's recently. There is a group of them in front of the building I work at every day and when we went to "the gathering place" park up in tulsa they were set up near the parking lot everytime I went.

@luciferdiablo2509

4 жыл бұрын

okc ✌️

It concerns me little what consenting, informed adults do...however when it involves children this is problematic. We frequently have JW's come by and several have their tiny children accompanying them. One cold, inclement winter day a father with 2 small children under the age of 4 years knocked on the door. Not wanting to be rude to him in front of his little ones, I took him aside and told him that he likely loved his children and thought himself a good father. I asked him to please not take his little ones out on such cold days and long walks and that it may be more helpful to practice his faith in a different way. I did not expect a positive response but could not remain complicit with what he was doing with his children but also did not wish to expose them to any stranger hostility. Very difficult and concerning.

@johndecicco

4 жыл бұрын

My neighbor was approached by 2 JWs and told me they were asking about the young kids playing across the street.

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

Bravo!

I appreciated how Lloyd Evans got Ray Franz's Crisis of Conscience out into print *before* the actual owner of the copy rights did.... put a fire under her butt because she wasnt in any big hurry... yes boot leg copies -- SO WHAT!! You ROCK John Cedars!!!

They say they do not have a clergy until it becomes convenient in court. They do not need to tithe because telling members they will be destroyed if they don't give practically every extra dime they have after living like paupers. However they are a multi-billion dollar corporation that has very cleverly and deceitfully invested those donations in real estate, military weapons, soft core porn, cigarettes, liquor companies and many other vices that their members are FORBIDDEN AND WILL BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR.

I keep thinking Jony Ive is being interviewed...

William Miller, "...the World would end in 1848."

It's not that I don't see your viewpoint here, I really, really do. I grew up in that religion-cult. I know it intimately. Our minds were locked tight. But over time, a little question here, a challenge there, a full debate, my mind was opened. If it worked for me, it can for others too. You might not see it in the moment, but the time comes. You used the word "deliberate" and I'd just like to push back a little. Consider how many of them, like myself, were born into it. I'd literally never heard outside view points that weren't straw men. I know they're a pain in the ass but that's unfortunately the world we live in. Why bother listening to Seth's videos on the various crazy religions/cults out there if we have no plans to put that knowledge to use?

Watching this right after impeachment#2! lol

It was foretold this would happen that Everyone who loved Jesus would be hated "by ALL NATIONS" ON account of his name!

I didn't grow up in a Jehovah's Witness household. I didn't grow up attending any religious church.

@Turandot29

4 жыл бұрын

Stop bragging.

@jasoncarpp7742

4 жыл бұрын

@@Turandot29 Bragging? :)

21:30. How does telltale come to 15-20 years from now. For the overlapping generation, if a baby is born 1914, they may still be alive today. And if someone else was born a year ago, their lives overlap. And that second person might live 100 years. Which means they have extended this generation by 100 years essentially, basically doubling its maximum length. But I don’t get what telltale meant by 15-25 years from now. Why does he use the year 1992.

Does anyone else find it odd that Jehovah rested on the seventh day of creation? He’s a perfect being, isn’t he (supposedly)? Wasn’t the creation process going perfectly in days 1-6? Why did he need to rest then? Did he perhaps massively fuck up on day six and say “maybe I should lay down and rest before I fuck up some more”? If so, then does that mean that he never finished creating the universe, and also that he’s made numerous mistakes (outside of what can be dug out of the Bible)?

I was a Jehovah's Witness for 30 years. This should be interesting......

@JamesRichardWiley

4 жыл бұрын

I read the Watchtower once when someone left a pile of them in a laundromat. The articles were so silly and incompatible with my worldview I thought they were playing make believe.

📬 *SETH, Do you have a fanmail address??* 📬

According to the new word salad they make up it’s no longer shunned or disfellowshiped , it’s sanitized to the the label (Removed).

As a former Catholic (now atheist)- I always had my fun over the years messing with JWs when they come a knocking. I always was an militant atheist when it came to every other religion besides my own/ so when the bible fell apart for me, that was it. -former cult member

Philosopher and theologian Dr. William Lane Craig why do you not allow comments to you video programs. All Atheist programs allows comments. What are you afraid of D. Craig

I see the jw.org web site doesn't have a Forum, it's very much a one way communication direction. It's much the same on the other Religious web sites, they're scared to death to have anyone ask anything in an open Forum.

@thomasmaughan4798

4 жыл бұрын

It isn't fear; it's just stupid to argue with the Source. Why would the Supreme Being, the knower of everything that can be known, engage in arguments about things he knows for sure? It is more like an encylopedia; a source of knowledge. Go there if you like, stay away if that is your preference. If you want to argue come *here* and argue! It's fun, passes some time, usually accomplishes nothing but doesn't clutter up church websites.

@rogerfroud300

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasmaughan4798 - That's a mighty big assumption. Are you suggesting that Religious web sites are 100% factually endorsed by a higher power? If that's the case, you would expect 'Answers in Genesis' web site to absolutely agree on every fact with 'jw.org'. No, the reason Religious web sites don't have Forums is because they're insecure and threatened by criticism. Religious organisations and Church goers in general have been given a free pass to say and think whatever they like with the expectation that they will never be challenged. That's not how it is any more, and they can't deal with it in a mature way and try to defend themselves in an open Forum. They just run and hide because they know they're in for a hard time!

I like your "handle", the *thinking* atheist; suggesting that most do not think. Some do, some don't. A suggestion: If you want to learn about a thing, talk to people engaged in that thing, not "ex" people no longer engaged in that thing.

@unit0033

4 жыл бұрын

doesnt matter if they no longer engage, the tactics used by this cult havent changed so the inside info is still relevant. A guy who used to play chess can still give insight as to the game of chess...

@thomasmaughan4798

4 жыл бұрын

@@unit0033 The guy who used to play chess, but has chosen to no longer play chess, is going to offer opinions tainted by his reason to no longer play chess and more importantly his desire that YOU not play chess (as a way to validate his choice). So while he may have some *insight* into the game, it is still the case that a better insight is obtained by someone actively engaged in playing chess.

@unit0033

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasmaughan4798perhaps, but the its really about the game and the rules and tactics. They are just talking about their time within the cult and what it was like, which makes it interesting.

@thomasmaughan4798

4 жыл бұрын

@@unit0033 Yes, it is interesting to explore other peoples' experiences. Memories tend to drift, so had you asked a cult member while *in* the cult you are almost certainly going to get a different spin than *out* particularly if it was walking out versus pushed out (sour grapes). Then apply those same reasons to self and see where those reasons might be similar or different.

@thomasmaughan4798

4 жыл бұрын

@@unit0033 For instance, I do not get squirreled by the word "cult"; call it a pink tomato for all I care so long as I think I know what we are referring to. Many cults exist; one such is the Democratic Party. Does it have dogma? Indeed it does. Punish heretics? Yes. Ask for money? Bet on it! Difficult to leave especially if family and friends are still in the cult? That too. So you see, almost any social organization can be called a "cult". Doing so merely tips your hand in advance which isn't always a winning strategy.

Fear is the only thing that keeps them in.....as is the case in all cults and most religion.

Does anybody else think that the dude in the thumbnail looks like Krispy Kreme, the baddest of them all?

Witness 'rapture' used to equal those who are resurrected to heaven the instant that they die -

@dantoinettetaylor1663

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. I do recall this

@dantoinettetaylor1663

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. I do recall this to be so ...

Smart move there. Calling yourselves the witnesses of God, so that the followers of the religion think that the Bible was written specifically for them.

@JamesRichardWiley

4 жыл бұрын

The Bible is so full of contradictions that it cancels itself out. What is preventing Bible literalists from noticing the contradictions? They perform a mental blocking action as agreed upon by their group. An atheist does not perform the blocking action.

What is a thinking atheist???

@colinmaclaughlanweir9670

4 жыл бұрын

Do you think do you not believe in a god? Then its you

When does a member of a cult stop being a victim of the cult and start being culpable?

@letsgetreal6402

4 жыл бұрын

I think at least age of joining should be one delineation line since children have little choice let alone the tools to resist. Maybe if youre still a member at 25 or joined as an adult? Give everyone's brain time to fully develop?

@paulbuswell6566

4 жыл бұрын

From the moment they do something that is illegal, or immoral in my opinion.. The problem is that when you are in a cult, you quite literally THINK differently.( especially when you have been raised in it from birth) The big issue among JWs at the moment, is child sexual molestation. But the elders are told to cover it up and do nothing, if the child doesn't have 2 witnesses!. Most members of the congregation have no idea that there may well be child molesters sitting next to their child. (I was a JW for 43 years)

@harrypothead42024

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulbuswell6566 morality isn't a thing so you have not given me any kind of an answer.

@paulbuswell6566

4 жыл бұрын

@@harrypothead42024 So you do not believe in objective or subjective morality? Edit: Is it ok for you to go up to a stranger in the street and kill them? If not, why not?

I remember the impeachment and resignation of Nixon. It was confusing, but clear after a bit. Yet, nothing has been so jarring as the behaviour and goings-on of the Trump disaster.

Ok all you who have "thumbs downed" this, please give your reasons for that.

The Stepford Wives comes to mind. Lol.

The only reference to 144,000 I recall in the Bible was the heavenly choir in revelations. That was made up of 12,000 virgin men from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. Think that would leave out most JW

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

But see, this is where you have to stop being literal and interpret it symbolically. Lol

@loki6626

4 жыл бұрын

Samalthus you heretic! I hope you're not implying that they're just making stuff up.

1 dislike? A jehovah's witness just disliked your video.

@craigbowers4016

4 жыл бұрын

It's up to two. :(

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

That's ok, they're the ones who need to see it most. They dislike it now but they won't be able to forget it.

@ 4:28... Harold Christ? did I hear that right? cuz that's funny.

The Bible will make an Atheist out of anyone.

@carolmosher7745

4 жыл бұрын

But a physics book will make you renounce Atheism and believe in God.

@TheTheotherfoot

4 жыл бұрын

@@carolmosher7745 Not very likely.Physics deal with facts, not things that have no facts to back them up.

@greaper123

4 жыл бұрын

@John Davis .. I completely agree with you that reading the bible will help to educate you "OUT of theism", but I cant say that I agree that burning the bible books is the right answer. Having raised 3 children (now well into their twenties and beyond), I'm convinced that education is the key to critical thinking. It was only after spending a LONG time educating myself in all world religions did it help me understand how/why people believe what they do today. Once I understood the source of religious beliefs, it helped me understand how we got here AND helped me understand where my own mind took me. Burning books is never the answer - education is (IMHO...)

Watchtower are right into high tec' that needs high education.So thats for the WT only not the door knockers?

Back in the 80s I moved to a new state with my husband and kid. The JWs were the first people who ever knocked on my door and I was so lonely I talked to them! But I would ask them really obnoxious questions, like: God created everything in the Universe, so that would mean he created life on other planets, if it exists. Does that mean Jesus had to get crucified on all the planets with life? They said no one ever asked that before! 😆 I also asked about evolution! “God created HUMANS, we’re not from monkeys.” And I actually said, well, if he’s God couldn’t he just turn monkeys into people?! 😂 I swear I drove those poor people bananas with my absurd questions! And they keep coming back! It was fun pulling their legs! They believe only 144,000 people are getting into heaven. I asked why they are trying to help people get into heaven when there’s only room for 144,000? They said they liked me and they wanted to “save me.” 🙄 After a while the thrill of perplexing them wore off and I didn’t wanna talk to them anymore. Ran out of annoying questions to ask them, LOL. So my daughter’s friend answered the door and told them I moved. Anyway, I have a friend who’s an ex-JW and she said one sure fire way to get them to leave and never return is to tell them you’re a disfellowshipped JW!

Ask them if they like children ( the female ones that is) if they say yes invite them in to make one.

How can anybody believe in this total nonsense, completey stumps me. I had a good friend who was converted to it. A kind, intellegent man. I could never understand it.

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

I was raised in it. For my dad, they caught him as a teenager with a kid on the way and part of a broken ho!e. They gave him support he desperately needed. It's less about the specific ideas and more about the community that developed around it I think. And if you are on the inside, they're always there for you. Helping each other out. Nobody is allowed to talk about the bad stuff so it all seems like sunshine and roses.

@shackledcitizen

4 жыл бұрын

@@vesuvanprincess Chains of gold , are still chains. I hope you broke free of them.

@vesuvanprincess

4 жыл бұрын

@@shackledcitizen good news, I did 🙂

@shackledcitizen

4 жыл бұрын

@@vesuvanprincess Wonderful news indeed.

@raesosa1108

4 жыл бұрын

Like they said, most of us were born in. We never choose it. We can only decide to leave, with the risk of losing friends and family.

Wait, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the earth is currently under control by the devil? So technically earth is hell? I'm not a fan of the Jehovah's Witnesses, nor any Abrahamic religion for that matter. But I will give JW's this; to me personally, the idea of the earth being hell makes a little more sense to me then what the average Christians have preached.

@thomasmaughan4798

4 жыл бұрын

"So technically earth is hell?" Yes. I think most Christians have that view if they think about it. Where exactly was Lucifer sent, or where did he go, when cast out of heaven? Right here. No reason to go to Mars; its cold and nobody there to bother. Lucifer presented himself to Eve and there's no indication he ever left Earth.

It’s a business

KW’s are among the worst most deceptive cults.

@JamesRichardWiley

4 жыл бұрын

I always talk with people who are broadcasting their religious arguments. It gives me a chance to sharpen my counter arguments.

Consider this end time prophecy which, can only be fulfilled by EX-Jehovah's Witnesses: . Isaiah 66:5 Hear the word of Jehovah, YOU men who are trembling at his word: “YOUR brothers that are hating YOU, that are excluding YOU by reason of my name, said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified!’ He must also appear with rejoicing on YOUR part, and they are the ones that will be put to shame.” . [Name of person] is no longer one of JEHOVAH's Witnesses ---> excluding YOU by reason of MY NAME . Did you get that? . Disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witnesses will rejoice and the ones that remain will be brought to shame. . The difficulty most EX-JWs have with this revelation is that they would have to accept that Jehovah's Witnesses and their Governing Body are indeed playing a profoundly significant religious role during these end times. . This goes completely against ALL of the now very large history of narrative EX-JWs have curated on KZread and everywhere else on the Internet. If what I have said is true it will be extraordinarily embarrassing for ALL the EX-JWs who have not thought this through while leaving an enormous amount of testimony to expose the embarrassment they deserve. . This difficulty is exacerbated by the popular belief that something righteous needs to be discovered in order to identify "true religion". . The bible and Jesus Christ himself however, makes it evident that we should instead be identifying something undermined in a spectacular way by Satan and ruled by an entity called the "son of desolation", where lawlessness is rampant. . So if the Governing Body are indeed the rulers of Jesus Christs Kingdom during these end times then they perfectly fit the requirement of what Christians should actually be expecting in order to identify "true religion". EX-JWs themselves are unwittingly exposing the corruption, hypocrisies, deceit and outright lies we should be expecting from Jesus Christs kingdom during the end times. . I explore this through my own KZread channel. . I invite you to watch a video called: Jehovah's Witnesses - The Governing Body Really Are The Rulers Of God's People! . and to ask questions! .

@adropofgoldensun27

2 жыл бұрын

You got a letter?? Mine must've got lost in the mail.

That image is weird. Wrong bible and it's missing those unsettling forced smiles.