I try to multitask while listening and I just can't ...I have to constantly rewind to grasp some of these concepts. Thank you for immersive content

@Maheep_Infinity

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats 🎉

That lady was being observed observing and didn't know she was being observed until she observed the crew observing her.

Anyone that says 'we don't know', is the guy to back.

@Skana

3 ай бұрын

Do you want misinformation? Because that is how you spread misinformation. Many times the science leads in clear and specific directions that cannot be argued against. The only option left for the opposing position is to poison the conversation by "just asking questions" and claiming there is no way to know yet and more research is needed. Is climate change real? Not every scientist has agreed yet so let's just keep doing what we're doing until they're all on the same page. Do vaccines work? You know there's a lot of debate on the issue. Is the earth flat? Maybe, I try to keep an open mind to all possibilities.

*_“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”_* Max Plank (the Father of Quantum Physics) ... It is curious how Max Plank's conclusions were so revolutionary in the field of science / physics (i.e. the immaterial (non-material) reality of nature and "the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind" as the ultimate force behind the fabric of reality). Yet, when microbiologists. biologists, geneticists, biochemists, other scientists, etc. come to the same conclusion (i.e. Intelligence/consciousness/mind is an integral and fundamental force behind the initial introduction and subsequent propagation of biological systems), they are rebuffed as being "unscientific". *Matter cannot exist without physical laws and constants first existing. Physical laws and constants cannot exist without mind / consciousness / intelligence first existing. Mind / consciousness / intelligence is Prime. Mind Exists Before Matter.*

@jenleonard3593

2 жыл бұрын

Reminded me of the age old question 'which came first the chicken or the egg'. I always said both but over time. This may not be all that relevant but felt like sharing.

@hitenbarad8858

Жыл бұрын

This is clearly explained by MANDUKYA UPNISHAD

Mr. Kuhn and Jeff: You discussed one of my most important theory of how we actually view what we’ve called “Reality”. I really think Jess’ view is on the right track. I want to thank you both. Also, Mr. Kuhn, you are my most favorite intellectual that provides all the important science, philosophy, religions, etc. discussions to our world. Your videos, when watched by the world, which now are available to many people, will eventually bring humans to a higher level. Thank you both so much. db

I’ve had amazing epiphanies in my life. In those moments I can literally feel my mind shift from “ nope” to “yes” and suddenly my whole outlook on life is forever changed.

This felt like a teaser to the bigger conversation that was about to happen right at the end. 😀

Jeff Tollaksen looks like a character Owen Wison would play in a movie.

@jasonbouracee8687

2 жыл бұрын

im pickin up jeff daniels vibes

@bossbear7187

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbouracee8687 I can see that

"The writer writes himself." The truth can't be more simple and elegant.

@MeRetroGamer

2 жыл бұрын

A system is observed, and the way it is observed, changes it. The "observer", also, is a system being observed, and the way it is observed, changes it... "Observers" also change when they observe... Time emerges from the flow of events in space, and space emerges from the flow of events in time... This process exists, always. And it has become an universe, and our...

@M419.99

2 жыл бұрын

@@That-Bond-BabeDo you need the canvas to paint, or it has already been completed in the wonderful world of the painter's imagination? No amount of evidence or examination will ever satisfy the seeker, so long as he's still resisting. The answer is right behind his back. He already arrived.

@BD638

Жыл бұрын

"The painter only paints self portraits"

I think the observer has a slight perhaps abstract effect on any measurement. Perhaps a degree of displacement. Sorta like if you go to a store to look for a specific thing it’s harder to find than if you’re not looking for it and it pops up in front of your face

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, our perception is not evolved to perceive reality in all possible directions at the same time, we tend to move and think in one direction only.

@MrSanford65

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 and I think more importantly, we actually displace reality and move it out of position when we observe it . I’m one who believes that the physical body Correlates like a metaphor to the mind and so when you want to see something in a jumble you have to spread it out first , Moving everything out of position

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSanford65 Don't understand what you mean by moving displaces reality, but motion certainly does result in a time flow. We can't move in all directions inside our sphere of influence at once, that's a weird notion. Stone rolls down the mountain over some path, living beings move their body at will, according to biological abilities. But it's always in only one direction. It's strange because all matter is made from energetic stuff, we radiate light and gravity in all directions. Physical forces make us move in a vector like manner, over distinct paths, but spherical force fields around us radiate and receive energies in all directions, regardless where moving objects are. I think it's an interesting problem, must have something to do with balance and equilibrium we're simply not aware of.

@MrSanford65

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 But in the end nothings really stand still. Everything in the universe is moving; the earth , the mountains the people are all moving in relation to each other so therefore when two things that are in motion they are bound by focus or intention. Your observation towards it disregards the meaning of the surrounding objects So I think in a possible vacuum universe between yourself and an object , it replaces the totality of the entire universe. The wave function collapse, quantum entanglement May be smaller examples of multi-universes consisting of the observer and what is observed. There is something about the focused mind that makes the target almost disappear.

The cutting edge of physics always arrives at the doorstep of philosophy, which is where the thought experiment begins.

I love that we experience, observe, feel, think, diversely -- how else would I learn from others and grow. The beauty, mystery and wonder of the cosmos and living life. If everyone agreed with me, and I with everyone -- what a boring life. Thank God for life, creation, mystery, consciousness, experience, wonder, longing, seeking, nature, diversity. The observer learns not only much, most importantly much about himself. It's a humbling state, and wise, to exercise observation.

I am anxious for part two of this tale.

Awesome that Anglophone physics has caught up with continental philosophy 100 years later. Vive Bergson!

Q:Why are we still talking about the Observer? A:Yes.

@jingyin5274

2 жыл бұрын

Just because.

@moses777exodus

2 жыл бұрын

The "Observer" is at the core of Quantum Physics and the nature of reality.

@moses777exodus

2 жыл бұрын

Information doesn't create the cosmos. Information waves are the fabric of the cosmos. And, as demonstrated with the famous double slit experiment, a conscious observer converts those information waves of potentiality / probability into "particle", "matter", or "cosmos". The Prime Observer creates the Cosmos.

@moses777exodus

2 жыл бұрын

*_“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”_* Max Plank (the Father of Quantum Physics) ... It is curious how Max Plank's conclusions were so revolutionary in the field of science / physics (i.e. the immaterial (non-material) reality of nature and "the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind" as the ultimate force behind the fabric of reality). Yet, when microbiologists. biologists, geneticists, biochemists, other scientists, etc. come to the same conclusion (i.e. Intelligence/consciousness/mind is an integral and fundamental force behind the initial introduction and subsequent propagation of biological systems), they are rebuffed as being "unscientific". *Matter cannot exist without physical laws and constants first existing. Physical laws and constants cannot exist without mind / consciousness / intelligence first existing. Mind / consciousness / intelligence is Prime. Mind Exists Before Matter.*

Could the observation have an effect on an observer, like the observer has an effect on the observation?

It's quite fascinating.

When the self observes the self without the division of measurement, then it is mapped perfectly and completely into itself as existence. This existence is our real self.

When you observe, you separate? So when you don't observe, are you the same with what is not observed? You too a potential wave spread (in relation to the object or the object wave)?. Measurement is collapsing the wave function as a subject & thus influencing the object to follow suit? So, measurement is an affinity or a repulsion which collapses self & object? A state of deficiency or sufficiency / overflow of sufficiency?

All answers of this topic are clearly explained in "MANDUKYA UPNISHAD ".Thus Ervin schordinger said one time' most of my ideas & theory are heavily influenced by UPNISHADS'..

I’ve watched lots of this videos and this is has to be the most intelligent one.

@francesco5581

2 жыл бұрын

there is another incredible one with Tollaksen on the Closer To Truth website that i hope they will publish here soon. Totally mind blowing ...

Ive never seen so many turtle necks in one room

@bossbear7187

2 жыл бұрын

lmao

Let me tell Tollaksen - as you get older time definitely speeds up!

Wow Dan Akroyd has aged really well since Ghostbusters. Nice to see he's still chasing the prime Ghost!

@bajajones5093

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReverendDr.Thomas he said nothing just like DAN.

@BuddyLee23

2 жыл бұрын

In all due respect to this beautiful man, he strikes me more as a Star Trek next generation character. He could be with Guinan in the ten-forward lounge discussing the intricacies of 24th century knowledge.

@masonjohnson5044

2 жыл бұрын

I get more of a Jeff Daniels vibe

Does the internal observer have similar qualities or characteristics to what is being observed externally?

Thank you thank you thank you

"Allow for the possibility that the future is relevant to the present." WOW.

After the observer decohere entangled angular momentum from measurement into brain signals to process information, the mind recoheres the angular momentum from brain signal information to form words for language to communicate conscious experience?

@bruceonlygoodvibes3639

2 жыл бұрын

even then so many people get it wrong

energy of probabilities translates to time in quantum wave function and back again?

this is why science fiction is so popular ,It's easy to understand ,you know back to the future and all that ,Iknow people who believe it , beam me up scotty!

@francesco5581

2 жыл бұрын

what you just said is in reality pretty deep .

How can time flow? If it did, it would flow at a certain rate, which would require another time, which would require yet another time, and so on ad infinitum. Time can't be a process amongst other processes, since processes proceed in time.

I had no idea Jeff Daniels was a Professor of Physics.

@thebatman6201

2 жыл бұрын

Right? So talented

As far as the flow of time is concerned, once we say the "P" of present, it's already past and it's already future.

@yohanj5239

2 жыл бұрын

Thus, causality, the laws of nature, can only be observed & validated in the present state. Therefore there's no intelligence in the measured data, which is always after the fact. Data is already past and already future.

All our activities where we need to focus precision gets affected by someone observer. Our subconscious mind so sensitive it changes even by observing by someone.

❤️Awesome

Gee, I would have loved to hear how you "quickly proved" that the future has an effect on the present through experiments... Could it be those were thought experiments, as well?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

You would understand when our galaxy begin to approach to the Andromeda galaxy.

@BuddyLee23

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he was touching on the results found with things like the delayed choice quantum eraser. No?

@dAvrilthebear

2 жыл бұрын

I also thought about quantum eraser! But he also mentions "quantum cheshire cat" and "quantum pegion hole".

@sorinsviolin4114

2 жыл бұрын

Christopher, that is exactly what I would’ve loved to ask this language artist😊

@christophercousins184

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuddyLee23 D

If the observer is always looking or measuring a system in one of its possible configurations then it must also be measuring himself his physical body his inner thoughts in one of its possible configurations. Meaning like any quantum system we are much more than we appear to be, before that something, whatever it is, observes us in our final fixed state.

I would suggest to that system to look into itself trying to stay away from New Agey shortcuts..

It's easy to understand how future affects the present, also how past affect the future that didn't happen yet. Quantum particles are just charges, lumps of energetic potential, arisen from their energy fields that are everywhere at the same time. All particles of the same kind are exactly the same, but they have different properties when merged with other particles and positioned in a distinct gravity field. Some particles have mass, this property influence space around them somehow. It's possible because particles emerge from the ever present particle force field. Here is what many people find hard to visualize, energy and gravity radiate around in shape of a sphere. But interactions between particles are vector like, they interact in some direction. Gravity field doesn't have direction, it's bend all around. So particles move to some region of space, but space around them is already shaped, in advance. This means future space is not undetermined and unknown, it's already shaped by their mass, regardless of the particle's direction of travel. And gravity also change with particle's position, so future space is not fixed, it emerges from motion of mass. It's not possible to predict how mass will shape space around more than 2 interacting particles, check 3 body problems. Space-time change how particles behave, it makes pulses of energy potentials slower, but inertia is different for various masses. So physical conditions in the future are already partially determined, but not exact since there are always probabilities and chances in any dynamic systems. Here we came to a problem of the free will, whatever we mean by free and will. Intelligent creatures are not guided by physics alone, specially not self-aware beings like us. We have creative imagination, this strange ability can multiply possibilities of what we will decide to do next into infinity, far beyond what a natural outcome from motion of our material body would be if we could not deliberately resist physical forces. Some components of the future are set by physical conditions, other forces will emerge from our conscious decisions, chaos of entropy will do the rest.

@ericvutran4140

2 жыл бұрын

very interesting! I don't really understand most of what you said. Haha. What do you mean multiply possibilities into the next infinity?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericvutran4140 This is a philosophy channel, not academia physics department brainstorming. Being able to describe physical principles with plain words is probably impossible, but we can share mental images and ideological concepts. First, let me make distinction from what we think is an object and how quantum stuff must be like. Particles are not like billiard balls, they should be more like small stars. Think how billiard balls collide. Now imagine how it would be like if you could touch the sun. Sun is a ball of plasma, its special state of matter we know very little about because it's not so common or easy to experiment with in nature. There are many kinds or states of plasma. Star doesn't have any solid surface, their influence extend over entire solar system. The visible surface of the sun is more like just another layer. My example is good because we can visualize how massive star, planets and moons distort space-time inside the solar system cell. Imagine all objects are energetic lumps of plasma, and they have no distinct round shapes. It's just rivers of plasma, with exaggerated bulge where planets and moons supposedly are in this imaginary model. This is how i imagine an atom. If we have no material objects and no geometrical shapes, it's very hard to predict what interacts, exchange energy potentials with what and when. Near infinite amount of electron pulses are constantly being exchanged. Gravity is smeared inside plasmatic roller coaster, every displaced bulge of condensed mass shift the balance of all other mass in motion. Theory says gravity influence extend to infinity, but drop in magnitude with square of distance. So our plasma solar cell model feels the gravity of all other massive objects in the infinite universe. Problem is, we can't see those influences because the entire space is shifting and curving or whatever space does, from all possible directions. We do understand gravity forms channels in space, like shortest paths of the least resistance, except that curvature also influence time in physical processes. To interact with something, we must focus on a certain region. Our brains can't control entire surroundings, only what the body is affected with at the time or what we focus with our mind. But future space exist and is already shaped in advanced, regardless of our perspective and motion. Hope i did a good job, and you got a better mental picture about what i tried to describe in the original comment.

@ericvutran4140

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 thank you for the reply. I found it and all your comments to be very helpful. Have a wonderful weekend!

The act of measuring or being the observer is important. Hate to go all metaphysical but there is not really a better way to describe it. Universe needs those to never know anything is happening at all and when it happening

People have been studying consciousness, the mind and the 'inner laboratory' in Asia for thousands of years. It's interesting how that never seems relevant in these discussions. Having worked in science all my life, I'm always astounded by the arrogance exhibited by many scientists.

Psychobabble never quite loses its allure!

Does observer see spatial externally, see temporal internally?

Yes, subject-object and free will. Tollaksen possesses some of the best insights and understanding. His take on measurement and causality is correct too. Have him contact me to receive furthering tips and hints to help him develop his correct line of inquiry even further... in fact so much further that it's beyond mere physics and would deprecate the scientific paradigm itself. It takes a properly receptive vessel to pour wisdom in and Tollaksen is one of the rare few among the currently living suitable candidates

Maybe the observer decohere / select from many worlds of entangled angular momentum that were measured from quantum wave function?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

What makes you think so,is it something you have seen or read somewhere, can you describe what it was that made you think like that?

@waylayin6159

2 жыл бұрын

I concur the molecular entangled strand could be escalated into radeon plank length superpositional photons.

Is a measuring device an extension of an observer? An observer is using a measuring device to make an observation?

internal observation of external information?

energy observes physical matter?

How can he say that we don't divide ourselves into the observer and the observed, when we are observing ourselves on an internal journey. A human being is not a single person. When he (she) introspects, one of his(her) own personality observes the other within him (her).

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

So what?

@ericvutran4140

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's like a mirror that reflects another mirror infinitely right? I can observe my awareness which can observe its awareness and so on infinitely.

Besides time and free will, QM imposes other condition, that of intelligent conscious observer for reality to be measured. If human observers are removed, the external world remains, then reality implies cosmic consciousness clashing with normal attitude of atheism. This is uncomfortable for many physicists, giving rise to 'pilot waves' or 'multiverse' as an escape route. But reality cannot be denied, intelligent design haunts us for over a hundred years.

The question asked was why is it important. How about examining why we would not need to explore this inner awareness. The Systems examining themselves.

I get the feeling that Sabine might disagree.

No observer can alter the laws of physics. Schrodinger's cat is not both dead and alive at the same time -- the cat's status is simply unknown. When you open the box and look, you know. Looking did not cause the cat to be dead / alive so hard to understand how looking "collapses the wave function."

@Bill..N

2 жыл бұрын

A valid point friend .MWs would insist there is NO particle collapse, the universe is simply in a superposition of all possibilities..

@aaron2709

2 жыл бұрын

No, the cat is in superposition, alive AND dead. Just Google it.

@edewolf9546

2 жыл бұрын

Its not hard to understand if you change perspective. It takes consciousness to make a measurement and measurement to get information. The gathering of information collapses potential information (no dualism, = probability wave) into particle. In the classical double slit experiment which itself is all part of the rendering and no renderer of reality, the bring in of whichway information collapses the wave function. The output of the experiment has to follow the same rules ad building reality itself. When information is the main key behind every particle, reality is not a fundamental, but a virtual reality. Reality is a function of consciousness, and every individual player of consciousness does have his own datastream of reality ( Wigners Friend) including his virtual body (avatar) as physical constraint of the immersion during daytime. While sleeping we open up a new virtual reality without body, thats why the idea of dreaming still appears nonphysical to us. PS: if this is understood „the observer“ ergo our „player“ our nonlocal consciousness isn’t limited by the physical ruleset, just the Avatar is, which is also part of the rendering. Its not about altering physics you can manipulate statistical probability you blindly accept as physically. This has to be done consciously not intellectually.

@Bill..N

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaron2709 why would I Google the Copenhagen interpretation which I know we'll..?

@Bill..N

2 жыл бұрын

@@edewolf9546 Alot of questionable assumptions their friend,..

Seems to me that the future always affects/effects the present moment in the things we decide to do, knowing causality is something that's real. Maybe it is causality that's the real and time isn't. Is that what Einstein said?

"the effect of the future on the present" interesting theory. Shame not explored further

Time is always measuring even when we look inside time tiks

0:05 welcome to the bam fart museum

Physics can never decide between realism and antirealism, but has to ask the question. Thinking feels along the border between realism and antirealism. Quantum formalism shows that both interpretations do generate same empirical results, that's because the formalism is already built with both perspectives.

Markov process is Martingale , so future will have not effect on present.

Sometimes you have to scribe a line in the sand and say anything beyond the line in pure bunk. This guy has gone well past the line.

@thebatman6201

2 жыл бұрын

Nope.... you're just not educated on the subject he's talking about. Any time you don't understand. Its better to admit that, than discredit others

Nothing will ever exist if there is no observer..

I would have enjoyed a much longer interview with Jeff , brilliant guy... Still he seems to put TOO much stock in the observer effect..For at Least the first 100 M years the evolving material complexity of the universe contained NO observers.. Therefore we can logically deduce they are unnecessary to it's natural manifestations...Newly forming stars at that point underline the assertion that QM was in full UNOBSERVED operation.. I'm pretty sure that Jeff would agree that without introducing particles into the 2 slit experiment, no amount of concentration could cause particle collapse.. Since that's the case, it seems sensible to assume OUR awareness and observance of the physical world are as simple witnesses of the natural occurrences that would unfold in time EVEN in our absence. On the other hand, Jeff MUST be right about a future revolution in our understanding of time..The Copenhagen view at least, leads to apparent anomalies like retro causation, and that is illogical in my humble opinion..Thanks, for this stimulating interview.

@kennysaunders7259

2 жыл бұрын

These vids on YT are just excerpts. if you go to the main site you can watcvh videos by subject or speaker: www.closertotruth.com/contributor/jeff-tollaksen/profile

@Bill..N

2 жыл бұрын

@@kennysaunders7259 Good news, thanks friend..

@ericvutran4140

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't quantum physics also imply that past present and future are all the same and everything is happening at once?

@JayakrishnanNairOmana

2 жыл бұрын

You couldnt be more wrong my friend. As stated in the video and confirmed by experiments, future observers affect past. So the universe in the first few million years evolved as it needed for the observers (like us) billions of years down the line. Hard to grasp but it is the truth. As general relativity's 4d spacetime also confirms, we live in a mathematical higher dimensional structure where past, present, future coexist. Many 4d worlds coexist (which branch off each other at the time of observations) and the true basis of the universe is consciousness. There is one universal consciousness manifesting across space and time like characters in a multiplayer simulated game who have forgotten they are indeed also the one and same as that. Tat-tvam-asi.

@francesco5581

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericvutran4140 like some states of altered consciousness

The problem with observation is imperfection with our perception

The observer and his system is the fundamental reference in physics, this system is always at rest (all other systems is always in motion). So the light constant c is in reference to the observer system!

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

No, light speed is always the same, for all observers and physical systems. It's space-time that changes.

@kimsahl8555

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 Observer: Light velocity = c to my system S1. Observer: Light velocity is not = c to another system S2. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Observer: Light velocity = c to my system S2. Observer: Light velocity is not = c to another system S1. ---------------------------------------------------------------- => the observer is a rest, all other systems is in motion (all observers is equal).

the observer question is far from being understood

@francesco5581

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReverendDr.Thomas hopefully ;)

Jeff Tollaksen generally does a lousy and very vague job of explaining his own experiments, but I've taken the time to delve into this and the implications really are quite profound. If you assume a "top-down" approach to causality, then you get precisely the results that he's been getting. But a " top-down" approach assumes reverse causality, or to put it another way, it assumes that there is something existing in the future, or perhaps outside the flow of time altogether (ie, in "Eternity") that is guiding the unfolding of the Cosmos to some predetermined end. If that's not an argument for God, what is?

2:00 lady noticed I was observing her observing me

God is not a person as portrayed by traditional religions, but God is pure formless form of infinite love and consciousness.

@ezbody

2 жыл бұрын

Why are we leaving out the infinite hate?

@aaron2709

2 жыл бұрын

@@ezbody Yes! All hail Satan.

@ericvutran4140

2 жыл бұрын

@@ezbody because hate is an illusion. It is a distorted perception of truth. There's no such thing as hate. It is a construct created by people who just do not know any better.

@DaP84

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds just like my imaginary friend

Most of my observation was performed by others who observed on my behalf, I wish I could stop them doing it.

Information doesn't create the cosmos. Information waves are the fabric of the cosmos. And, as demonstrated with the famous double slit experiment, a conscious observer converts those information waves of potentiality / probability into "particle", "matter", or "cosmos". The Prime Observer creates the Cosmos.

@moses777exodus

2 жыл бұрын

*_“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”_* Max Plank (the Father of Quantum Physics) ... It is curious how Max Plank's conclusions were so revolutionary in the field of science / physics (i.e. the immaterial (non-material) reality of nature and "the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind" as the ultimate force behind the fabric of reality). Yet, when microbiologists. biologists, geneticists, biochemists, other scientists, etc. come to the same conclusion (i.e. Intelligence/consciousness/mind is an integral and fundamental force behind the initial introduction and subsequent propagation of biological systems), they are rebuffed as being "unscientific". *Matter cannot exist without physical laws and constants first existing. Physical laws and constants cannot exist without mind / consciousness / intelligence first existing. Mind / consciousness / intelligence is Prime. Mind Exists Before Matter.*

I had a pot induced epiphany once. I don't smoke pot very often so the experience could be a random illogical thought process validified by chemical's. Or it may be an unlocking of a type of thought process. But even now many years later i wonder if i'm not correct. One question that some times get's asked is " if quantum collapse requires an observer how could the universe develop before brain's were there to observe it? Or some thing along this line. How is it, that we are made up of molecules and atoms that are with out conscience but we our selves possess this trait ... Biology alone is strange enough. but if we look at water and rock it's not to hard to see the fundamentals of biology.. But Consciousness seems to arise only at a very high level of complexity and seem to be totally different then the stuff it arises from. wouldn't there have to be a fraction of a bit of what ever conscience in the bits that make it? There has to be some thing about matter and energy that allows for consciousness. With out helium hydride nothing gets started in this universe. There is a fundamental quality about Helium hydride that can not take any other form. (Yikes just had a flash back of Plato and form's scary).. .. So lets assume there has to be a smidgen of awareness or consciences' some were in the basic structure of the smallest structures. other wise awareness and consciences couldn't be produced out of it. Science is like magic. But yet there's no magic in science. No matter how amazing our technology get's it will never be magical. Why? Because we got stuck with Energy with a strict usage warranty. If Magic existed there would be some structure some beginning point of were it came from to point to. Magic is a human term,. conscience is not magic. But if we stop thinking that humans are that important we might realize that this quality in the macro called consciousness that we believe is effecting the universe is, But not because of the form it has taken in our species but because of property's that have always been present ... Structure itself possess a quality. ... Now this is not some mysterious force of the universe the like's of Deepak Chopra promotes. It simple breaking down possible bias's about what physics might yet be. The universe is Space time and in space time things with property's interact based on the strength and weakness of those property's. Once a structure is formed it has more Consciousness or awareness then it had a moment before .. A structure knows one thing . A ROCK IS A rock . if that rock is smashed and becomes 2 rocks each one of those rocks is aware not that it was once 2 rocks or pain or any human level awareness .. it now is only aware of one thing which that its a single rock .. and all the property's that that single rock has in this universe it takes on the cumulative awareness of every molecule that is a bound to another molecule from electron upto iron ore ..a cumulative property of every structure that is bound and created and then bound and created .. A single structure is. That's it . that's all it has. but that structure is real. the property's it has effects and interacts with other structures. .. and some of the interaction become stronger and weaker depending on the structure.. So the effect a Rock or or an atom or even a star might have on a individual level to any quantum phenomena is probable not the same or big enough at times to even measure but is enough for the collapse itself to take place when and where it needs to .. biology may in it's earliest forms have a stronger influence on this property and eventually threw ever more complex structures . give rise to the very mysterious and personal and barely rationale process called human conscience ... The understanding that i am me, and i am sperate from other things .. i am a structure separate from all others is just a complex expression of the original form of the first structure .structure is the beginning of and has inherit to it a quality of awareness

@KpxUrz5745

2 жыл бұрын

I would have read that if maybe it were 3 or 4 paragraphs instead of 1.

@cameronidk2

2 жыл бұрын

@@KpxUrz5745 Have you ever triad to respond on face book in the comment section? If You hit return it automatically post's the comment. But regardless it has been my experience that people who are so rigid in their requirements of grammar that they not even willing to read it, but further, feel compelled to criticize it while still not reading it.. Are not people that gain much from any thing that doesn't conform to their rigid conception of the world. You read things to see if your agree with or disagree with it. you not interested in learning any more The things you give the greatest virtue to guarantee you never find any in your self

@KpxUrz5745

2 жыл бұрын

@@cameronidk2 To answer your question, I have never once been on Facebook. I realize that English is not your native language, but I have no idea what you are talking about (grammar? rigid conceptions?). So please do not respond to this, so we can not waste any more of each other's time.

@cameronidk2

2 жыл бұрын

@@KpxUrz5745 They say people of low IQ can't understand people with IQ's that are 20 points or more above theirs.. funny i understand you perfectly .. Your IQ isn't the only thing that's small and underdeveloped

Not a mention of David Bohm or Krishnamurti. Sad. The observer is the observed.

If future events dictate present events and not the other way around, if that's what he's suggesting, then maybe we don't have free will, just the illusion of it.

The Observers in the museum and very distracting!

There is no free will...the quantum world has almost nothing to do with our experience as a macro being. All thought comes from how we perceive the world which is then translated into an organic digital medium. Our discovery of mathematical concepts allows us the ability to understand what's going on in the World. We have a long way to go before we know for a fact that my red is your red. We're just starting to take the baby steps. A very exciting future awaits us all if we don't doom our very existence by the choices we make.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Our mind can do creative imagination, thoughts and dreams are not physical, they can do magic and miracles all the time, because no natural law applies. But then again, they can't touch the real physical world without interacting over real space first.

This kind of reasoning leads us nowhere, physics can't always be observed directly and objectively, so observers is completely another set of problems. Problem is, if we don't do transformations all the way to the experiential level, results are meaningless, mostly just a chaotic set of some apparently random values. It's because we need to build chains of experiments before we can reach something objective, possible to perceive with our biological senses. Many things get lost with translations, conversions and transformations, there are also gaps in our hierarchical structure of knowledge, so we can never be quite sure what model show us is the actual reality or only a product of our machines. Think about it, if we can imagine stuff with our brains, so can machines, when we teach them how to detect and represents stuff. We can see this phenomenon already in simulations done by artificial intelligence, they create all kinds of weird visual hallucinations from a giant mess of available data. They are intelligent because we set the rules like what kind of frequency correspond to what color, how to deal with perspectives, recognizes distinct shapes, follow order of events and so on. Material mess would never be able to do that on its own, but we can make metals do meaningful dreams, invent patterns and shapes on their own. Our biological sensory organs are replaced with cameras, microphones and variety of other electric sensors, there's not much difference in perception of reality, both systems are limited somehow and none can detect everything that exists around in actual reality. So, observers doesn't really matter before we figure out how to capture all physical influences and changes. Using computer simulations to test all kinds of creative ideas and hypothetical models is the worst mistake we could do in science, simply because our imagination is limitless, there's no telling what our brains can come up with. So there are literally infinite possibilities, guessing is obviously a dead end street. Weird thing about the nature is, many mathematical concepts makes sense, known natural laws can be combined in many ways. This means we will have to give up on an idea everything that can happen actually does happen, or we need to rethink natural laws, because there are clearly limits to what is possible in reality, but our ideas don't recognize them. This is an indication of a flawed understanding of nature, not the evidence about some supernatural, higher dimensions of physics. But we don't know that for sure because nobody can tell what actually happened if we can't see natural phenomena by ourselves. It's not a hopeless situation, only very confused and perhaps even corrupt. So we don't need to examine observers, but we should check the structure of global scientific community, there's something wrong with the way how knowledge is organized and shared.

@ericvutran4140

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting! I've never thought about our imagination is infinite. I'll think about this more. Share more on this concept if you can.

And also if we look at inner self for observance and for an observer to be born you would realize that you can observe history and learn from that and use it as self reflection too just like how the Bible has history in it.

Similarities to Krishnamurti

Woot new vid!

“One day physics will shine some light on this magical free will we have” 🤔 I’m gonna say that’s probably wrong 😞 People, that one is a frickin gimme. If you can’t get past (it’s not even an illusion).. if you can’t get past that unexamined assumption then maybe just get out of the way and let the grown ups talk?

not even close.......theres no end if you have no beginning........

Flow of time?why stick with that way of thinking when it doesnt explain a thing?how about the bubble of time that only exists in our universe or timeverse.time is the universe and vice versa.could that be why the universe is expanding?i.e stretching creating time.and the fact we alter the results of the two slit experiment...no no we dont alter the results but the results are predetermined..so that we only are allowed to experience a small piece of true reality.well anyway thats my humble uneducated opinion.

Anyone else think he looks like tim heidecker

If you can control your present , you are essentially controlling the past and the future at the same time also. The sheer power and dominance you can exert over your present will impact the level of future and past control. Peace. 🤣

The observer is the observed.

@yohanj5239

2 жыл бұрын

Observer is the experiencer and the observed is the experienced.

@zqzj

2 жыл бұрын

@@yohanj5239 is the experiencer not the experienced?

@yohanj5239

2 жыл бұрын

who makes a decision for survival? the experiencer or the experienced ? the former lives in the present, the latter in the past.

@zqzj

2 жыл бұрын

@@yohanj5239 thought never belongs to the now, the present moment. Thought is always dependent upon time, thought is an action rooted in the past, and thought tries to take the best step into the future. The present, which takes no time, is reserved indefinitely for the observer, and those that act out of compassion and love. An act of unconditional love is selfless, and therefore it is thoughtless - it exists in the now.

@yohanj5239

2 жыл бұрын

@@zqzj the observer who perceives and understands, is consciousness living in the present while thoughts doing analytics are always after the fact living in the past. Two are different and the observer is not you thou it seems to be within you. The observer is what exists, pure experiencer !

Time is a creation of the human mind, and is inextricably tied to the reality of death. They are two sides of the same coin - you cannot have one without the other. The invention of time provided a means by which we can gauge where we are on the continuum from birth (starting point) to death (ending point). According to Christian theology, God will dispense with death at some future point; and people will be given a glorified body that is eternal. At this point, there will no longer be a need for the concept of time. Time is only relevant in relation to death.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

We can know only one side of a coin, use mirrors.

When physics pretends to invade the field of metaphysics, it shows all its limitations.

@positive120

2 жыл бұрын

Not just physics. Entire science. To put it in other words:- "Metaphysics steps in where science stands baffled."

@kuroryudairyu4567

2 жыл бұрын

With the only problem that metaphysics is not proved, physics yes. Moreover, metaphysical world does not give proofs, nor real evidences, science does

@positive120

2 жыл бұрын

@@kuroryudairyu4567 that means you have not studied metaphysics in any spiritual or material philosophy. Study atleast buddhism. See what beautiful evidences they give to support a totally nonsensical religion. Studying is reading with deep interest clarifying doubts with teachers and practicising experiencing it and then concluding. Science and metaphysics face almost the same problem. The unfolding of new knowledge rises new questions. Science solves the problem immediately lying ahead and will always remain shallow. Metaphysics digs deep and provide lasting solutions to humankind. Truth always find a way to come out whether one likes it or not.

@bluelotus542

2 жыл бұрын

@@kuroryudairyu4567 Where is the proof of the big bang? Where is the proof of abiogenesis? Where is the proof that consciousness emerges from the brain?

Jeff picutures quantun hasnt show how events occur presente time. Jeff future is ilusion. Jeff How YOU know quantun model will be in future? Proof?

After all Anything is Nothing and viceversa,because you assume nothing as a state and so anything is also a state to our mind.simply Anything=Nothing.

The now elusive turtle-neck

A measuring device, any technology, is merely an extension of our senses, or consciousness.

A color doesn't affect the matter wtf

When you talk about the inside of a person you talk about a subjective world that partly can be objectified using psychological tools..really not something science has access to...not now not 500 years from now...

@manufacturingdissent666

2 жыл бұрын

neuralink

This people wants to make very difficult to underhand something that is not difficult to understand, is like if you try to explain what is love with Quantum physics is a waste of time

When you say "free will," I ask "free from what?" To some, it is God and destiny, now is ot "causality?" Is that "free?" In the abscence of a creator and omnipotent dictator, this feels like a false imperative--to be "free" from that which came before you, instead of a result of it and an inextricable part of it.

Physics of the object (objective physics) is a wrong methodology. Physics of the observer (subjective physics) is a wrong methodology as well. The only thing that can be real is the subject-object interaction. That’s my epistemological start point, which I took from German Idealism. By the way, that’s the same point of view shared by Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics: Neither the object by itself nor the subject by itself, but interaction. Then you don’t need consciousness here since what you are describing is the subject-object interaction.

I think this is the second time I came upon this video and I saw I was only a couple minutes into it. I’m interested in such things so I clicked on and restarted and, again, I’m leaving it w @ watched. This guy is just.. I’m not gonna be mean. Idk, sometime I just wish our western physicists would give like 45 GD minutes attention to the Eastern thinkers and we could move right on past a lot of the dumb fuckery

Isn't he just describing determinism? 🤔 For me, at a personal and inevitably subjective level, I believe the past is in the future and the future in the past, the present being what we broadly call 'karma': the journey we need to go on to understand ourselves and evolve.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

You probably mean destiny, like the future influenced also by our own actions besides other random and deliberate causes. But karma is something completely different, it's fake destiny, decided by higher authorities who think they know the persons and what has happened. Destiny is natural probabilities and chances, Karma is an artificial form of punishments and rewards enforced by moral authorities.

@catherinemoore9534

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 Isn't it great when we feel that we have the answers? We all 'suffer' from this delusion.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

@@catherinemoore9534 Reality is what it is, nothing we can do about our condition and form, but we can influence our random destiny with another set of chances we create by our free minds. Karma has nothing to do with probabilities and chances, it's decided by secret military police agents, truth or not, right or wrong, it will happen however they want it because those insane idiots have the power over individual lives, given to them by corrupt, terrorist state apparatus. Because traditions and superstitious beliefs, because they can, in short. It's also strange, karma doesn't affect their deeds and motives, the only thing that does hurt them is natural and unknown destiny, sometimes also actions done by brave and highly ethical man who gets sick and tired of karmic fascism.

@catherinemoore9534

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 Go out for a walk in the fresh air: you need to return to a simple life.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

@@catherinemoore9534 Something is telling me you will say that no matter what anybody can explain or show you. Because you want to believe, and nobody can take that away from you.

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Wouldn’t it be cool if there were a club where we all wear turtle necks and act like authorities on subjects we know little to nothing about? Oh yeah, that’s college