Harry has done some really cool stuff. In particular, I'm a fan of Lights Up. The melody, harmony, "bridge" section are all super interesting and really well executed! These are just some thoughts about how this one could've been tweaked a bit to be even better. What are your thoughts on the song??

@sammyboy1236

4 жыл бұрын

Omg 2 long vids in a row!!!!!

@jerryqueer

4 жыл бұрын

same LOL-

@julianjelacic7828

4 жыл бұрын

What training did u do for jazz pls?! Lessons and grades of anything to get where u are now ?

@thatoneguy4181

4 жыл бұрын

What's good. Love your music theory stuff. Thank you!

@ankylopea

4 жыл бұрын

I replied Cool

*Jazz:* Pop needs more spice. *Pop:* Adds ninth *Jazz:* No no no let me explain...

@CharlesCornellStudios

4 жыл бұрын

lmaooo this made me laugh way more than it should've

@MorganWallaceMusic

4 жыл бұрын

Adding 7ths = no prob Adding 9ths - wait wut

@expeditionmidwest6926

4 жыл бұрын

Charles Cornell your the best!

@user77797

4 жыл бұрын

Morgan Wallace Tremillo _exactly_ i enjoy playing billie eilish’s music the most of any pop music on piano since she adds 7ths

@weirdbro6597

4 жыл бұрын

Crucify me for this...but i think i kinda like the ninth and that pre chorus is my favourite part of the song. The chorus itself is pretty bland tho i agree.

I just saw “Jazz pianist reacts to water” and decided it was worth a watch

@jhart1127

3 жыл бұрын

I would assume the water was laced with something... In which case I'd so be down to watch that 😳🎶

@legaciebeats2686

3 жыл бұрын

True for me too

@deltab9768

3 жыл бұрын

NaK like, I presume?

@parker486

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a clickhole video

@Katsjosh

3 жыл бұрын

😂

To be fair, drawing random notes from a hat seems like a fun composition game.

@evdawg9258

3 жыл бұрын

We did something like that in music class at my school. It was dope

@marieschmitt5891

3 жыл бұрын

YES I THOUGHT SO TOO

@jaredwblack

3 жыл бұрын

Look up "Aleotoric Music". Some composers like John Cage and Stockhausen experimented with things like that.

@maxmacyszyn1165

3 жыл бұрын

i actually made a whole song this way, with a midi guitar solo drawn from the hat, ended up being a horribly boring I V vi IVsong

@tristanarmstrong1047

3 жыл бұрын

If you don’t do any work to make it sound good, it’s basically a twelve note row and bam it’s abstract

Nobody can make a critic, from any point, cause is "hate". This guy makes sense in every point he made, and he wasn't rude or disrespectful, that's his opinion.

@baronvonbeandip

3 жыл бұрын

For those who also read this upwards of 5 times trying to decipher it, I think he meant 'critique'.

@Death6man

3 жыл бұрын

@@baronvonbeandip I'm so sorry, English is not my first language, I don't express myself properly.

@tuhmater2985

3 жыл бұрын

@@Death6man It’s okay, I got what you meant, and you made a really good point.

@jzz6342

3 жыл бұрын

fans are toxic and basic

@matu5435

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is, doesnt it matter wheter people can vibe with the Song like, whats the Point telling people the notes are false, If they still enjoy the Song? Theres also Songs that give a certain vibe because a false or unusual Note ist played in the Beat And you can find that in many genres. And btw i dont even Like the watermelon song

"I'm not mad, just disappointed" sorry dad

@iwillbeginagain

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry Alex Turner

@camille1368

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Maloney if this was twitter, you would have started a war by saying this lmfao 👁👄👁

@nemesiszer0708

4 жыл бұрын

@@camille1368 He probably already started a war right here, we just haven't seen the replies yet.

@G4rfield

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Maloney I strongly disagree, but I respect your opinion.

@thenealdog5343

4 жыл бұрын

@Sam Maloney Despite the fact i can see your point in some ways and respect your opinion, you more than likely needed to be briefed on Charles' opinion of this song's structure as you more likely than not would have applied your stubborn persona to never giving Harry's music the benefit of the doubt.. My point is you should not immediately judge Harry's abilities as a songwriter/composer, based on what you hear here, genuine artists will write many songs, not all necessarily hits, with 9/10 of the results proving to go nowhere and end up as mistakes. These artists also have their own personal taste and will create and base their on music on what inspires them, nothing wrong with this whatsoever and in fact Harry's confidence in his abilities should be applauded. I urge you to look upon your own musical idols and, without bias, consider the possibility that they're not all Godlike and do in fact make bloopers.

Why not take his isolated vocal track and make your own music to it. I'd love to hear what you do with it and compare the two!

@Apollo-uk4lf

4 жыл бұрын

Copyright issues

@chelseachepkoech9104

4 жыл бұрын

Stop being mean u came here to watch the video

@RaychealWinters

4 жыл бұрын

That would be so cool!!

@Strawberrypersonoffixial

4 жыл бұрын

We all wanna see this.

@jasminjavahery8630

4 жыл бұрын

@@chelseachepkoech9104 I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to be sarcastic. I'd actually love to hear him remake this song!

I find the melody to the phrase "... if I could ever go without ..." wrenching and haunting. I don't know why. I live for only That moment in the song.

As a person who has practiced classical music for more than ten years, is a jazz fan and enjoys pop music, I think people who know strong music theory are sometimes stuck in the ideal chords combination. Sometimes jump outside the box bring more surprise, at least; that is what I felt when I heard the intro of this song.

@immortalsun

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s pretty silly to critique a song just for experimenting with different note progressions and whatever.

@thenickbolt

Жыл бұрын

Right! The unexpected movement of it is what makes it an earworm! He's totally missing the point.

@Garcii28

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, thank you

@AstroPsych_

Жыл бұрын

I think it's pretty rich to suggest that an _improvisational jazz_ musician doesn't like something because he's "stuck in an ideal chord combination" and needs to "think outside the box." I mean, if you watch any of his other videos, one of the things he does _constantly_ is pause a composition and go "whoa, did you hear that?" and explain how unexpected and unusual it is. Charles Cornell _loves_ to be surprised and _loves_ it when pieces go outside the box. It's kind of the core of Jazz as a genre. To a trained ear, there is a huge difference between something that is unusual or unexpected, and something that just sounds sloppy and doesn't work. This piece is the latter.

@geeshta

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel like sometimes people who study too much music theory are stuck in ideas how things should be and what is correct. But there is not actual right or wrong.

He sounds like a dad when he says "I'm not mad just disappointed"

@eliasbernstein

4 жыл бұрын

MY dad, specifically

@TRGOTSVODS

4 жыл бұрын

im not dad, just misappointed

@orangelita1128

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a Diary of a Wimpy Kid line too...

@Mr.Kittychickenwing

4 жыл бұрын

My friends and family say the same thing.

I think you should present an entire “fixed” version of these songs at the end of the video!

@skylarsa

4 жыл бұрын

YES I would love of a full song of Charles version!

@raynathiel8800

4 жыл бұрын

Yesssssssssss

@hershey4079

4 жыл бұрын

Yeeeee

@Andrearodriguez-oe9in

4 жыл бұрын

Yes please! This is such a good idea!

@BarelyNoticeable

4 жыл бұрын

THIS.

Hearing the song on the piano makes me realize how similar it sounds to every other summer hit song.

@coilovercat

2 жыл бұрын

as he was playing the chords I realised it fit with blinding lights by the weekend

4:30 "not completely devoid of definition." Hey Charles, I've been trying to work out lately. Glad you noticed the improvements.

@handborgir2353

2 жыл бұрын

Name checks out

Why is no one talking about how he can literally listen to the song and then figure out the chords like that I wish I could do that

@exboom12

4 жыл бұрын

Cause we don't need another perfect pitch meme

@rickelvi

4 жыл бұрын

With ear training it's reasonable for a musician to develop a good relative ear. Many musicians play by ear after years of practice, it's not too outlandish

@willowblackwell1080

4 жыл бұрын

That’s what I was thinking???

@faithclarke7721

4 жыл бұрын

Its not nessiserily perfect pitch, thats what music students go to music school to do. Some noodle around, some struggle and cant get there, and some get there easier than others, some struggle and do get there over time. Its called music theory and aural skills it isnt just music talent. Musicians have to work at it too. Especially the ones that dont have perfect pitch, but the thing is, its learnable with effort.

@Granolie

4 жыл бұрын

its surprisingly easy with practice and knowledge of theory. Genres have very defining harmonic "stereotypes" that, once you know em, you can replicate them easily. Music school gave me endless headaches, but fuck if I cant pick up on stuff I hear in a moment.

I love watching people passionately talk about things that they have great knowledge about. And Charles is no exception.

@renekumar8290

4 жыл бұрын

Wise words should be shared

We all got this recomended 8 nonths later

@guadalupe3759

3 жыл бұрын

9 months for me lmao

@aez8

3 жыл бұрын

@@guadalupe3759 same

@dominickjohn7994

3 жыл бұрын

What is a nonth

@tree2975

3 жыл бұрын

@Zapping Gaming same

@rain-tu9ds

3 жыл бұрын

I think youtube and the music industry are working together to rob us all lol

Me, a jazz major: Oh yeah I know that F note my god. *Continues to enjoy the song secretly*

@sacredgeometry

Жыл бұрын

The F works fine. It's deliberate dissonance ... its funny seeing a jazz pianist get so worked up about a little dissonance.

@charles-antoinepouliot6675

Жыл бұрын

@@sacredgeometry Dissonnance is cool, and there's nothing wrong with it, but there are weak and strong decisions. Now the defiition of weak and strong may vary according to the individual, but to me that F sounds very much underwhelming and weak as a decision. My ear just perceives it as something that doesnt add anything to the melody and instead kinda makes it annoying. I am dissonance's strongest advocate I love me some crunchy chords and lines, and the use of Major triads with the added fourth is something im familiar with HOWEVER it needs to done a certain way for it to really add the color of the fourth and in that context my ear doesnt perceive it as an "intentional use of dissonance" This is all obviously my opinion and take on it, I just think its a very underwhelming song melody wise

@sacredgeometry

Жыл бұрын

@@charles-antoinepouliot6675 Always choosing strong decisions makes music boring. I am definitely someone that does that. My music favours consonance and strong decisions and as a result is utterly mundane an uneventful.

@charles-antoinepouliot6675

Жыл бұрын

@@sacredgeometry Strong decision does not mean consonant tho, Hard dissonance can be a strong decision, I agree that music that is too safe lacks emotional content and is mundane and uneventful. I love me some dissonance, but some decisions feel stronger than others, those can be consonant or dissonant, it's just that this particular dissonance, I thought was a very weak choice. But I completely understand your point.

@sacredgeometry

Жыл бұрын

@@charles-antoinepouliot6675 I know which is why I specified both.

Charles having manic twitches while telling me he’s disappointed is giving me “conversations with my dad” vibes.

@SevenQs

4 жыл бұрын

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who got dad vibes from him. It sparks memories of my dad trying to teach me math lmao

@Joooooeeeeee3

4 жыл бұрын

Manic?

@e.d.1642

4 жыл бұрын

He'll be like Zizek in 20 years

@alwayshavefaith2521

4 жыл бұрын

Random but I think I've seen your comments on his other videos😂

@beauchamp90

4 жыл бұрын

Y'all have conversations with your Dads?

“watermelon on the table... tastes like strawberries?” oh honey. he’s not talking about the watermelon lmao 😳

@itsjustkarinamusic

4 жыл бұрын

That’s just what I was about to comment😂

@TheClevelandSteamer

4 жыл бұрын

Still lame haha

@sabcrdz2828

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheClevelandSteamer just like your useless comment hun

@SC-sh5jw

4 жыл бұрын

Aint nobodys vag taste like strawberries either lets be honest

@Dawg93

4 жыл бұрын

Lauren B there's plenty of lame shit on KZread with millions of views lol

"So it's in C, right?" In that moment, he wasn't the only one disappointed and frustrated. Edit: Before replying with new criticism, please do read what has already been said or debunked before. Thank you! :D

@Sh-ws5jd

3 жыл бұрын

What's wrong with C?

@freshpinkapples7618

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sh-ws5jd There's nothing necessarily wrong with C. It's just very basic and I personally associate children's songs for example with it, since a lot of children's songs were in C major when I first learned my instrument. Personally I think the key in which a song is played has a lot of influence on a song. For example there's a big difference between c minor and a minor (c minor sounds a lot darker than the milder a minor, and c sharp minor for example sound a lot more aggressive). So I feel like picking C major is being a bit lazy. Of course I understand that he has to be able to sing in that key and it has to sound good, I'm just a bit judging of C major (and apparently 77 other people agree).

@Sh-ws5jd

3 жыл бұрын

@@freshpinkapples7618 you can do a glissando on the piano if you're using c major scale lol.

@link1628

3 жыл бұрын

@@freshpinkapples7618 I don't understand your point, at least in equal temperament, which is the one more or less all keyboardists use. The "color" you're talking about, is that inherent to the key or just related to your memories? Also, I don't really get like, why C would be lazy... Ok it's only white keys on a keyboard, but that does not predetermine what you gonna do with them.

@freshpinkapples7618

3 жыл бұрын

@@link1628 Maybe it is just what I associate with memories and I sound like a crazy person. I was trying to think of a time that my piano teacher told me something like that, but now I'm struggling. I didn't mean to sound snobbish if I did. I think it's just an illogical opinion. Sorry, man, if I offended you.

As a Harry stan, I really don't understand why his stuff like Watermelon Sugar goes viral when he has so much else that is so interesting!!

@tazdaniels4869

2 жыл бұрын

I agree Harry is talented, but this song wasn't for me, it was try hard as was the video.

I love how he forgets what the heck he's doing halfway through and just starts going to town on the keys. And I was like, "I think he's on to something".

@danieljortiz

4 жыл бұрын

I read this as it happened. Awesome.

7:49 “C major scale contains ‘F’! Sure does!” Me: “Finally some theory I can understand!” 😂

@keksiukas_48

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@monke7156

4 жыл бұрын

I read this the exact time he said it perfectly

@pureconfuzion

4 жыл бұрын

Loooolll same

Honestly, I personally appreciate your honesty, Charles. Thanks for being willing to share your unique perspective of this song with us, it's quite refreshing to hear.

I love it when musicians just get lost in the music they're playing

The way he played the song by ear Fam You dropped this 👑

@leightonvanderesch277

3 жыл бұрын

Right, I wish I could play like that but I never could even start piano until I was like 15 and by then I could never get to this level

@cakeface_03

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know why I said dang, but just, yeah. lol

@Art-bk6vv

3 жыл бұрын

@@leightonvanderesch277 you can get to this level it just takes a little bit of time each day. 15 minutes a day makes a huge difference over the years. You might not be as young as him when you reach that level, but you started later anyways.

@arthurhaag9434

3 жыл бұрын

@@leightonvanderesch277 wtf bro there is no age to learn piano, stop making excuses, and if you want to play, just practice

@leightonvanderesch277

3 жыл бұрын

@@arthurhaag9434 I can play, I can play quite good actually. But I don't think I'll ever get to the point where I can just pick out that song. I practice an hour 3 days/week

“The lyrics don’t make sense!!” *Harry stroking a watermelon* Me: this makes perfect sense Edit: wow I can’t believe how viral this went thank you everyone!

@meta__1564

4 жыл бұрын

Elizabeth Axler he’s not just stroking a watermelon, he is having a stroke

@dehazesings

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@ledaboros868

4 жыл бұрын

@@Khirure its a very sexual song about 69-ing

@BgJimy

4 жыл бұрын

Still doesn't really 💀

@VincentA824

4 жыл бұрын

Bg Jimy It makes perfect sense once you know what it’s about, and the mv gives plenty of hints.

I always say about songs like this- “It just doesn’t *go* anywhere”. He spams that one melody note so damn much it gets super old.

@nightfury_5

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, however you could argue that that is a part of the song’s appeal. It’s about a good summer time on a beach. No one’s trying to go somewhere on a beach - they want to stay and relax in the sun/atmosphere.

as a die hard harry fan, i'm so upset that this song had to be the one getting all this hype when his entire first album was a zero-skip classic rock album and there are so many fantastic songs on fine line as well... i guess that's how music business works, release all the mainstream pop songs from your album (literally, every single one, and that was the entirety of the singles for fine line) and you'll get a bloody grammy nomination when your first album was entirely slept on by the general public.. i'm just upset that due to this, we've now come to the point where Charles has to make a video about how this huge hit single doesn't make sense, when we could've had him be amazed by other songs that NOBODY KNOWS bc they're not singles. i'm mad. that's it lol. i agree Charles, you did what you had to

@FeScully

2 жыл бұрын

I also really liked the first album!

@Nametag_101

2 жыл бұрын

I agree so much

@rich1051414

2 жыл бұрын

The issue seems to be right here, yet people look right past it. The reason Charles doesn't get the hits like this 'bad' song is precisely because it tastes bad to him. It's like serving salad and wondering why everyone is buying the ice cream next door, 'dont they know ice cream is bad for you?' They don't care it's bad for them. They like it because it's an ear worm that sets a relevant mood. They don't care it's simple, 'doesnt make sense', or anything else.

@neerajnongmaithem392

2 жыл бұрын

I think the answer to your query is simple, it's personal preference. His first album was not a super hit cause people didn't enjoyed it as much, on the other hand I would assume that most people loved listening to watermelon sugar and thats why it's a hit song. At the end of the day music is a personal preference and all of us have got their own taste and we should not judge people on the basis of their palette

@currentlyquacking

Жыл бұрын

All three of his albums have been great, but I preferred his first two over his latest one.

I love this comment section No one is yelling saying “UR AN IDIOT AND U SUCK” It’s a very peaceful discussion and it’s very inspiring for someone who enjoys learning more about music. Point is Music people have big wrinkle brain energy

@Aceena

4 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna use big wrinkle brain energy to refer intellectuals from now on.

@nickmarcum2203

4 жыл бұрын

Phoebe Amadore this is a big wrinkle brain energy moment

@gracej6369

4 жыл бұрын

✨ᵇⁱᵍ ʷʳⁱⁿᵏˡᵉ 𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝑒 𝓃 𝑒 𝓇 𝑔 𝓎 ✨🤟😌

@wofie9785

4 жыл бұрын

yeah I like that everyone is discussing this in as mature way.

@breadmaker101

4 жыл бұрын

Same

Who else thinks Charles should do a long livestream of “noodling”

@user-ff6qb6fg5p

4 жыл бұрын

Me man

@khadijahsimon7998

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-ff6qb6fg5p Meeeee

@WillayG

4 жыл бұрын

Was just about to say this exact same thing.

@GoScience123

4 жыл бұрын

Id literally just watch him practice scales for 9 hours

@alekonicolacakis7002

4 жыл бұрын

noodling one time in the band room ended in one of my pals dropping his pants in the piano epic day

Is it wrong, that Im vibing with his Aimless Noodling?? 😂😂

@prodyagovinicius

3 жыл бұрын

We all bro we all

@aaronsprojects9022

3 жыл бұрын

No Way

The really cleaver thing is it fits because if you listen to the lyrics he’s literally saying “I couldn’t ever go without” the sound reinforces the feeling that something isn’t quite right an something is missing, it’s actually a sad breakup song

Alternative title: *Charles being a frustrated dad for 14 minutes and 12 seconds*

@geckogeico2212

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, VeganFunnyCat.

@apolloptx

4 жыл бұрын

You mean "Dumb Meme title for Dumb Internet Kids".

Best comment on the video: Harry: Breathe me in, breathe me out Corona: That’s what I’m talking about

@lilliesmith5828

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@abijahborja120

4 жыл бұрын

Haha lmao

@otakuxgirl6

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@MajestyStudioPro

4 жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha

I think this is an example of letting your brain get in the way of having a good time. Sometimes things don't have to be that deep.

It starts on the 2 chord not the 4. There's no F chord in this song. It's 2 6 1 5... It's a D Dorian progression. How did you decide this song is rooted on the 4 chord?? Very confused here.

Dad’s out here being disappointed meanwhile I’m lookin at that saxophone in the back wonderin when we’re gonna get a taste of it

@chelseawould8275

4 жыл бұрын

Mhmmmmmm

@kotaathay4158

4 жыл бұрын

Peep the bone too

“Jazz musician gets triggered by pop artist for 14 minutes straight”

@gabbyo_o14

4 жыл бұрын

yassss

@accenttakedown5825

4 жыл бұрын

Gonna cry?

@ToTheOneWhoSeesYou

4 жыл бұрын

@@accenttakedown5825 i am crying want to know why?

@cristianlopez-me2zc

4 жыл бұрын

Jack dePuit huh?

@skrubdub6695

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like it's click bait

5:28 I love how he casually gets carried away of what he’s playing

Disclaimer: I’m not a fan of this song, but I think it sounds clear to me that this isn’t in C Major but D Dorian. D is definitely the central note and it makes more sense when you analyse it relative to D, not C. I’d be interested in Charles’ thoughts and if this changes anything.

@keithkunikida1222

2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree

@Ragplayzz

2 жыл бұрын

WHY DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT MODES ARE NOT KEYS ;-;

@OfoeNelson

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ragplayzz So we just say Dorian? Without the D or C? How do you know which Dorian it is if it's in the key of F?

@Ragplayzz

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfoeNelson no it's in the key of C but the mode could be anything . But the key doesn't change

@Ragplayzz

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfoeNelsonehh sure be d Dorian would be more specific

it's interesting because harry himself talked about how they worked on this song for over a year and that it was a really frustrating song to complete, and for a long time he really hated it. when you look at this song alone it seems like a standard pop song with nothing to it, yet I think that it actually shows the variety that harry has in his music, considering the other songs on fine line and his first album explore many ideas that are not typical mainstream pop, and you find that his favorite songs he's made are those less mainstream ones

@gabrielaguevara2042

4 жыл бұрын

thank u!! someone had to say itttt

@gabrielaguevara2042

4 жыл бұрын

he also mentioned the lyrics didn’t make sense LOL it’s because they’re mostly sexual innuendos hahahaha

@CharlesCornellStudios

4 жыл бұрын

Great insight! I think it's unfortunate that sometimes the best material from an album is the least broadcast because maybe it gets deemed less marketable. It's hard to say where the line is between it being our fault as consumers or labels' fault for just money grabbing and manufacturing "hits." I made this in part because I know Harry has made some really cool stuff and this is nowhere near what he can do!

@lomsiendolom

4 жыл бұрын

TOTALLY AGREE😍👏🏼

@averyyclarke327

4 жыл бұрын

@@CharlesCornellStudios it's also important for fans to realize that videos like this are not attacks on harry as an artist, but rather an insight to what is happening musically. I totally agree with you and enjoyed what you had to say, even as a fan of his.

alternative title: charles cornell gets enraged over an "f" for 14 and a bit minutes

@joshuabroyles7565

3 жыл бұрын

14 minutes of Cornell obliquely confessing that he has somehow never heard any Celtic or Slavic music.

@sammy3212321

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuabroyles7565 I get the feeling that Harry Styles wasn't inspired by the celts and slavs for a song about tropical fruit ^^;

@joshuabroyles7565

3 жыл бұрын

@@sammy3212321 Perhaps he was inspired by the experience of being British during the Summer. Have you heard ANY folk music from Britain?

@yeeeeeeeee_e

3 жыл бұрын

just don't watch it then :/

@BluesChanteuse

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure an ”f” isn't the ninth in the key of ”c”. Just sayin’.

That little piece was sooooo gorgeous! Would love a full version.

I actually love watermelon sugar, but I also loved the analysis of the song, thank you for expanding my knowledge.

This was the longest version of, "E and F sound weird together," I've ever heard.

That’s so interesting how people hear things differently. My favorite parts of the song are the ones that got you frustrated because they sounded so interesting. And when it was “fixed” it became so basic to me. loved the theory parts though

@austinshoupe3003

4 жыл бұрын

That's the problem with trained musicians of a certain type. Everything has to be pulled closer to the genre they are most familiar with.

@LekhaPReddy

4 жыл бұрын

I felt this! The "fixed" parts sounded actually more plain to me

@jogigantiko

4 жыл бұрын

Austin Shoupe yea wtf nothing wrong with learning music theory i do it my self. But there is no wrong or right in music . If something sound nice it sound nice who cares whats within bounderies

@Julius_Smith

4 жыл бұрын

It sounds plain because it removes all the tension from the progression. The f note he's talking about takes you further away from "home" which results in greater relief later. Good song writing choice in my insignificant opinion. "Fixing" it just removes all the spice lol

@austinshoupe3003

4 жыл бұрын

@@Julius_Smith he's actually doing the opposite. The original is remarkably devoid of tension or direction. It's also just a bit clunky. The 'fixed' version adds tension and smooths out the clunkiness, but that brings it closer to cliches that already exist.

now imagine me, the schools resident harry styles stan who is also enrolled in the jazz program. it's been rough

So that tune just won Best Pop Solo Performance O.o

@keiwasimpson3516

3 жыл бұрын

his performance was amazing...I wasblown away...Jeri growing Some much as a singer and the band was off the chain

Charles: but do *all* the notes fit in the chord they're supposed to be in? *Jacob Collier has entered the chat*

@thekushalnp

4 жыл бұрын

Imants Smidchens 😂

@RRDio

4 жыл бұрын

Remember when he sang hallelujah in C but then 5 min later he do black key gliss 🤣🤣🤣

@screensaves

4 жыл бұрын

💀💀💀

@timoheinrich8763

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but you know that Jacob would take better responsibility of the notes. Each single one would have a place to go :)

@nathanielatkin304

4 жыл бұрын

@@RRDio because he wasn't in C by then..

I actually, weirdly enough, enjoy the incompleteness of the song. It kind of gives the song this lazy, unfinished summer project vibe. And frankly makes a generic pop song a bit more unique.

@bernardthedisappointedowl6938

4 жыл бұрын

I'm enjoying your description, and a fair point, ^oo^

@ronja_kkat

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, kinda got a point there

@Jenizz

4 жыл бұрын

Yeees~ thank you. I wasn't sure how to describe it. :D

@kadenfoley3514

4 жыл бұрын

i agree - sometimes something that doesn't make perfect musical sense can be very sonically interesting and get across a certain vibe - to me it does communicate the aimlessness of summer

@HarryYV

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. There are things I personally think this song could do better but Charles absolutely fixates on that pre-chorus 'breathe me in...' melody and clearly doesn't get how that section and the first chorus sets up the following verse where the groove kicks in. I personally enjoy how that melody there, as simple as it is, builds some tension without moving the song away from the 'vibe' (I know it's a bollocks word but it'd kinda useful sometimes) that's set in the first verse. The chorus melody is ridiculously simple but the harmonies that get stacked on it as the song builds end up making it quite enjoyable to my ear. The big pop 'we've arrived' moment is definitely the 'I just wanna taste it...' section anyway. I'd be interested to see what he'd actually offer up as an alternative. The noodling in the video may have offered up some 'technically' stronger melodic movement but it just sounded a bit Disney (kinda dramatic and obviously with both feet in one place emotionally) to me and really wouldn't fit the vibe (again, sorry) of the song. I think any argument that it was cynically written as a last-minute summer tune is completely undermined by the fact it was released last year. The musical choices made make sense to me and there's a clear sense of where the song's moving to, not just what's best for the section if you cut it out of the song and view it alone. I think the changes Charles (sort of) suggests would completely change the song and make it feel very disjointed. I think when you can't pinpoint exactly what isn't working for you, musically, you just have to admit that it's just a case of it not being your personal preference.

I am a really big fan of Jazz. But this song is really nice, even though it is simple. There are just some songs that do the job and sound fun, they don't have to sound delightful every time. It just fits

I liked the groove. And the melody. One thing - the purposed Charles version of the melody sounds sort of 'safe'. Harry Styles version sounds with a bit of a tension. And I love that. It is not that the music has to always adhere to the rules. Make interesting melodies - break the rules!!! 😎😎😎🤘

When he just starts jamming, I can't even tell if he is still using the song as reference, it just sounds so much better

TL;DR: Harry Styles should have used an F#

@hyde4004

4 жыл бұрын

TL;DR: Don't use F, F is a bad one.

@MonoLith2049

4 жыл бұрын

Yes he should've used the F so he could F off with his magnolianic pop by numbers

@hyde4004

4 жыл бұрын

@Michael B Indeed, in jazz surcles it's considered good practice to replace all F's with F#'s, as the note F just doesn't cut it in more sophisticated music.

@yungstallion2201

4 жыл бұрын

Ahhhhhhh. Music to my ears

@parkermaciejewski4671

4 жыл бұрын

No, because first of all F# is not in the key of C, in fact, it’s literally the farthest you can be from the key of C.

And now he won a grammy for the Song😂

@escacc

3 жыл бұрын

bc he deserves it

@ThatBish380

3 жыл бұрын

@@escacc he def does not

@escacc

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThatBish380 Ah, well that's too bad because he won. Oh, and the brit awards too! xx

@lolaa.8161

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThatBish380 That song doesn’t deserve a Grammy, but Harry does.

@JeerJer

3 жыл бұрын

@@lolaa.8161 This. His Fine Line album does have music that was undermined(?) by Watermelon Sugar.

I'm glad you've chilled since making this.

Bruh, y'all are putting words into his mouth. He is just explaining how a pop song isn't that good from a musical theory standpoint, not that it completely ruins the song or that y'all should hate it. Maybe take your own advice: "If you don't want to listen to him, just ignore it and move along."

@riekenrimmasch3611

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@itz-a-rave-dave

3 жыл бұрын

This comment deserves so much more likes, i hate when people say things like “lol he’s just mad he can’t do it himself” or “XD he’s just jealous of Harry styles!!”. Whenever the hardcore stans see an alternative opinion they gotta take out their “you’re just jealous of their success” moves. Annoys me so much.

@coffeewithkarlie

3 жыл бұрын

thank you!

@mckinleyfisher-lynd3896

3 жыл бұрын

I don't care for the song really but he did say that the song is "musically useless" right after he said he doesn't like tearing down music other people like. That's a direct quote and is not valid criticism in any way. It would be fine if he just went full harsh with it, thats at least honest. But when you tip toe around it and say pretty harsh stuff and then play coy, you look bad and invite your own harsh criticism.

@ianchace4426

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Who else loves it how Charles doesn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings?

@David.124

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Maloney welp thats you.

@sailorcandy6633

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Maloney there’s one thing with going to the point, and it’s another thing to be rude. When trying to do the former, we end up doing the latter

@billywinston6902

4 жыл бұрын

He's apologizing too much. It's constructive criticism. No reason to feel guilty, especially if you're right.

@theholytoilet6668

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Maloney Think I agree. Sure, it isn’t good to be an asshole, but it seems to me that ensuring at all times that the person(s) you’re speaking to aren’t offended just accomplishes the obscuring of truth. Often times, the truth hurts. Take the above’s point with constructive criticism, for example.

@robertoallegra

4 жыл бұрын

A Toilet It’s not just that. Charles is aware that he’s talking about music, not theoretical physics. Besides the theory, everything always reduces to personal taste, and you can feel that every time he’s tempted to impose his own view on something so subjective, he feels genuinely remorseful. It’s funny and a bit frustrating to watch him squirm this much, but I personally prefer it to the average cynical “I know it all”. KZread is already full of them.

I like that you translate for people who don't know how music is written

And then there’s me who gets an ad for Simply Guitar… and they’re playing Watermelon Sugar

Hey, 2k views in 10 minutes is pretty close to 12 million overnight.

@natejaffa9083

4 жыл бұрын

30k views in an hour is pretty close to 12.5 million views overnight

@kevinorlando8936

4 жыл бұрын

Hey, 42k views in two hours is pretty close to 12.5 million overnight.

@Mojkila2111

4 жыл бұрын

Hey, 70k views in 3 hours is pretty close to 12.5 million overnight.

@soonfomoons7352

4 жыл бұрын

Hey, 80k views in 4 hours is pretty close to 12.5 million overnight.

@GabeCoaster

4 жыл бұрын

1 view In one year is pretty close to 12 million overnight

This dude would most likely go into cardiac arrest if he was to listen to Bob Dylan.

@tahsina.c

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@abbynvegas

4 жыл бұрын

UNDERRATED COMMENT LMAOO

@timmyc9915

4 жыл бұрын

Vov Dylan? meh confused

It was written on the guitar, and I enjoy that eclecticism with that f over c major. It's a saccharin pop song, but I love it. It's not shine on you crazy diamond, it's a summer pop song.

@legnaleama

Жыл бұрын

I still can't find the F on the progression, it's Dm7 to Am?

@nathanbegel4505

Жыл бұрын

​@@legnaleama He referring to the F in the melody over the c major chord

Thank goodness I’m not the only one who felt so! Sure it’s a fun song but that’s exactly what I felt when I was trying to play it. After phenomenal songs like Lights up, this was a drop. He still won a Grammy for this one haha.

"The summer song for 2020" lol I know he said he's not looking into lyrics, but................... the song is NOT about fruit Charles

@frygreaze6785

4 жыл бұрын

sadly

@midorimashintaro2613

4 жыл бұрын

Watermelon sugar is shit tho

@aconfusedperson

4 жыл бұрын

Wait what? 😳

@gojosatoru__

4 жыл бұрын

a confused person LMFAOO yeah we’re not really sure whay it’s about but we know it’s not fruit w sugar

@giovana7673

4 жыл бұрын

Zahria Spencer are we not sure tho?

Did he just rhyme “strawberries” and “more berries”??

@traumfaengerinify

4 жыл бұрын

truly a poet.

@sdf592

4 жыл бұрын

also with "your belly"

@soriasoda4038

4 жыл бұрын

It might be mulberries

@leofisher1280

4 жыл бұрын

@@soriasoda4038 just as bad

@Killer_Turnip

4 жыл бұрын

At least it's not the same exact word, technically...?

When you pointed out the simplicity of the chorus line you reminded me of my musicology prof back in 2006 who played "My Humps" for us and then just hammered the two-or-three note melody on a piano. Some things never change.

two years ago this information went completely over my head. i didn't understand why Chris disliked certain aspects of this song. Two years in, six songs written and recorded, musical taste aquired... Hell, man. Now i understand everything he said in this video.

Damn y’all are weak. Hear one critique of a pop song you like and you’re like “this is why theory takes the fun out of music”

@abm8249

3 жыл бұрын

hahaha factssss but like there’s literally no reason for this dude to be hating on watermelon sugar like bruh if u don’t like it stfu harry is literally a mega star and prolly doesn’t give a fuck abt common sense

@xebrax124

3 жыл бұрын

Anfernee Manansala he's just making a video lol

@kekedawson4415

3 жыл бұрын

@@abm8249 dude this is just a video click away if you dont like it damn he's a jazz musician just having fun

@baremannequin2860

3 жыл бұрын

I mean... What sounds good, just sounds good... When you put theory it can work but there are outliers that don't have an explanation in theory. For example: 8:18 he gives an example of a chord sequence in "I don't know if I could ever go without" with theory... And it sounds bad. Not as in it's unpleasant but it's not in the same ballpark as Watermelon Sugar

@baremannequin2860

3 жыл бұрын

(And then again at 9:04)

"Musically *USELESS* !" Damn Charles, you *harsh* as heck boiiii

@MonoLith2049

4 жыл бұрын

NII T. I think he was being kind, considering...

@bakedpotato2484

4 жыл бұрын

mono lith ok Sherlock

Now grammy award winning 👏

If there's one thing I learned from this, it's that Charles could actually produce really good pop music.

@austinmurberger2910

Жыл бұрын

No, you actually learned the opposite

**does a majestic representation of the song** “something like that”

@MonoLith2049

4 жыл бұрын

ah uh yeh this entire video is probably longer than it took to write the song. I hope so anyway

No one's talking about the "aimless noodling..." sir, I could listen to that noodling for HOURS

@joshuabroyles7565

3 жыл бұрын

It's noodling if you need it to "be going somewhere", rather than do something elaborate where it is. Schenkerian thinkers might like you to consider the entirety of Hindustani classical music to be "noodling". I, for one, disagree.

@KnzoVortex

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuabroyles7565 I’m probably One of the worst people to talk about Hindustani music, but doesn’t in build in intensity over time?

@joshuabroyles7565

3 жыл бұрын

@@KnzoVortex Most music builds intensity gradually and releases it abruptly. Better music ramps multiple parameters of intensity and releases them out of phase with each other. Beethoven is pretty good at that, for example. The "going somewhere" in Hindustani music just tends to be an informationally denser version of where you start. In western tonal music, it tends to be where you first implied you were going, but after a collection of various sequential detours. Western listeners often complain that Hindustani music doesn't really go anywhere, but just makes a mess of where it begins. Nonwestern musicians from places like Bali sometimes complain that western music treats transposition, itself, as a meaningful form of elaboration. I have always been more sympathetic to the second kind of complaint.

@joshuabroyles7565

3 жыл бұрын

You may also enjoy: online.ucpress.edu/mp/article-abstract/10/1/83/61797/The-Ramp-Archetype-and-the-Maintenance-of-Passive?redirectedFrom=fulltext

@andregayle

3 жыл бұрын

I was like noodle on loop please!

I understand the frustration so much, truly - and at the same time, I frigging love the song :D I find it so funny how intense you get about the melody, and it really makes so much sense, and simultaniously "watermelon sugar" is one of those popsongs I always sing along because it is so much fun ...

🍉🍓🌞 *MUSICIANS KNOW BEST..... BUT TO ME IT SOUNDS SIMPLE & GOOD.....NO ONE SHOULD CARE FOR THE PROBLEMS IN THE MELODY IF THE MELODY SOUNDS GOOD. MUSIC SHOULD BE ENJOYED...DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE NOTES...IT TURNED OUT TO BE MELODIOUS* 🎼🎶🎵🎹🎸🎙🍉🍓🌞

@matteolombardi777

3 жыл бұрын

💯✅🎶🆒️

@candywin5699

3 жыл бұрын

I ❤ it.... it goes on & on in my head non stop👍🏻

This “summer hit” was released in December Sir

@DanielBoonelight

4 жыл бұрын

but the video was just released, and money pushed into it being a single now. keep up

@phoebetakarua4737

4 жыл бұрын

That's summer for me :)

@tmpecho

4 жыл бұрын

Phoebe Takarua australien?

@dantenavoni

4 жыл бұрын

Argentina people like me, in summer: S U M M E R H I T

@rizceloo6673

4 жыл бұрын

@@dantenavoni summer hit y eso ni se escucha aca, ponen cualquier cosa 😔

2:20 oh you precious little soul honey sweetheart. The song isn't about literal fruit

@nyester100

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha

@MonoLith2049

4 жыл бұрын

Rafael Santos the songs off a production line, I doubt the laptop that randomised this sequence of lyrics even knows what the hell its about! There is a thing called irony, it's very subtle

@mariadelcastillo334

4 жыл бұрын

mono lith oh honey, no. It’s really about... just watch the video...

@MonoLith2049

4 жыл бұрын

Maria Del Castillo I did honey

@canyonmoon4771

4 жыл бұрын

It is about the joys of mutually appreciated oral pleasure is it really hard to understand lyrics? Even after seeing the mv? 😭

He must be losing his mind after Harry had his first Grammy with this song lol

@yosupalex8276

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I was about to say the same thing

@lendropons5486

3 жыл бұрын

Fr? Well I might not like his songs but good for him tho

@jelisarh

3 жыл бұрын

@@lendropons5486 yeah! Even thought it's not my favorite song among all the ones he has he still won a Grammy ♡

What makes the song great/catchy is the arrangement and the harmonies. That's why as you're reading this comment you can hear the song in your head.

"I'm not mad, I'm just dissapointed." That hit a bit too close to home

@bruhitslily5404

4 жыл бұрын

Your name is Don't eat me... Me and my tik tok overdosed mind: cAnNiBaL, i'Ll EaT yOu Up😂

@ufa2709

4 жыл бұрын

@@bruhitslily5404 ok....

@xxjoshuaxxjosh

4 жыл бұрын

@@bruhitslily5404 very cool kanye :thumbs_up:

@cahovor

4 жыл бұрын

Yup ughhhh.

@user-bf1qn3iv3r

4 жыл бұрын

@@bruhitslily5404 um..ok

i mean maybe i'm musically deaf or something but those parts that he disliked are my favourite lmao

@yaoitiddieexpert1486

4 жыл бұрын

You're not musically deaf for liking parts that someone more experienced liked. It means you have different tastes and a different understanding of music. Both you and Charles' opinions are completely valid, if you liked the music then that's great.

@kainovember

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I liked that they're kinda different

The masses do not care about details in a song, they just like a trap beat and a groove.

this guy is an acctual musician, he knows the diffrence of "good melody" and "good song"

As the film “Brassed Off” taught me: “You’ve got all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order”

@James-yy4vl

4 жыл бұрын

They got it from morcambe and wise who did it a couple a decades before!

Big fan of Harry here and just want to mention one thing: this song was released in December and wasn't lazily made to be a summer hit... so yeah. Fair points otherwise

@smokee1325

4 жыл бұрын

True, but it’s only being released as a single off the album now, in time for summer. So there was some planning behind it being for summer, not necessarily lazy tho

@Sheriden.

4 жыл бұрын

It still be sounding sucky tho

@LeonorAidos

4 жыл бұрын

smokee1325 True true. I think it was more of a -they wrote and then realised the summer hit potential-! 👌🏼

I love how he was just jamming out towards the middle of the video

THANK YOU!!!!

the one dislike... was the watermelon Harry was spinning constantly (each like in this comment=the amount of watermelon he used in the music video)

@azulejos_

4 жыл бұрын

It was the 10+ watermelons that got thrown in the trash because he had to restart

When you know too much about music theory that you can no longer enjoy normal music

@TheNestor15530

4 жыл бұрын

ostrald this is why I refuse to learn anything else to technical in music because when someone knows too much peoples “superiority” on music takes over and they ruin music for the rest of us smh

@noone-qx2kn

4 жыл бұрын

OMG couldn't relate much more 🤣

@steveohare4666

4 жыл бұрын

Dude my roommates were film majors and they ruined several of my favorite movies with their over critiquing

@wukjinsong4978

4 жыл бұрын

OR you can be like Jacob Collier, know shit ton of music theory and still enjoy all kinds of music

@emigallardo7971

4 жыл бұрын

thissss, why he couldn’t just enjoy the music?!

When Harry wins a Grammy with this song ☀️

@kaniac39

3 жыл бұрын

❤️

The fact that song touched you quitw enough to get you to make a video about it already qualifies it as good piece of art

charles: “it was released at the perfect moment for summer!” so... are we telling him the song was released on november 16th or...

@ND-qh8cn

4 жыл бұрын

Ahahaha nah let him have this one

@danathomas4532

4 жыл бұрын

to be fair his team did wait until now to really push it as a single and give it a mv in a clear attempt at making it a summer hit. nothing wrong with that, it’s a smart move

@kiridavidson1756

4 жыл бұрын

I mean technically if you lived in the southern hemisphere, it would've been almost summer when the song came out soooo

@mancillamarie

4 жыл бұрын

Bia Oliveira jeez learn to take a joke. not everything has to be literal and taken seriously, love.

Alternate title: Jazz pianist discovers pop music.

@generalkenobi7232

3 жыл бұрын

I guess it begs the question "does pop music have to be like this ?"

@obi-juankenobi4050

3 жыл бұрын

@@generalkenobi7232 Kenobi?

5:40 has to be the best piano solo I have heard this year! You have skill, mate!

I don’t know man this song is haunting... as soon as it stops I have sudden feeling of withdrawal so I have to keep playing it 😭 M tired of it like I start the song in the bed before I wake n listen throughout the day to my bed at night... I can NOT stop the damn song 😩

The whole point behind the song is that he’s singing in a vibe that gives off the impression of D minor. the way you’re looking at it is a song in the key of C that’s supposed to resolve in C. That’s why you’re getting so frustrated. EDIT: as many have pointed out, D Dorian is actually a better fit. Thanks for the likes!

@andrewcalebgorospe2754

4 жыл бұрын

indeed. just reeks of [ii] lol

@tristen5213

4 жыл бұрын

welcome to jazz lol

@sitas9827

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! It was frustrating to watch him get frustrated lol

@alfredocervantes7969

4 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU

@MaestraJ

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. AND also it's boring.

His frustration gives me life

@glow2500

4 жыл бұрын

I KNOWW

I don’t know Charles… I like the funky kind of sound of the notes outside of the normal way those notes would regularly sound from a composer. Well, like the way you did it. Yours is beautiful too. But Henry’s is edgy, sexy, and just grooves. I thought it was the coolest sound from a song that I’ve heard in a long time. So did 11,000,000 other people within a couple days.

@Galaxyngc7331

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, and it is what makes songs unique and sound different than other songs. Thinking out side the box

@willjackson6522

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t get when people criticise something in an objective sense that so many people like. Like you’re saying it’s objectively bad/wrong, yet millions of people disagree and think it sounds great. What, so you’re saying millions of people are just lying to themselves that they enjoy a song? 😂