Please like the video and leave me your comments below. i want to hear from all of you!

As a power conditoner engineer. I know what you mean. Some low frequency loss. Ive been designing a device that filters power in an alternative way, which does not take away from low audio frequencies as well as not brighten up the soundstage. Finally, after a few thousand hrs of research, I discovered a way. There are just physics limitations that make it difficult, you almost always have to sacrifice bass for better resolution, etc... Your video was very informative as to your thruthful opinion on power conditioners. It helps with my validation of my audio products which are patent pending.

Jay, I am stunned. You do not need to this channel, but yet here you are. I am certain you have more $ in your cables than I do my entire system. People like me would never hear from serious audiophiles on YT. In this regard I am grateful for your channel. THIS IS GREAT!!! I really like how you share your experiences, your gear, and how you speak to your audience the way you do. You do not belittle, or say anything that makes anyone think less of themselves, or their rigs. What you share benefits all of us by sharing knowledge that helps steer us in the right direction in our audio quests. You do not get personal, or pushy. TY also for getting your audience involved by being interactive with your comparisons. I was interactively involved in your Class D amp, and your high quality, high priced (Class A or A/B) amp comparison. I LOVED IT! Unfortunately for me, your channel is the closest I will ever experience with true state-of-the-art hifi. But anyway, I just wanted to say thank you, and I appreciate you more than you know...🏆🏅

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your post. I appreciate it

"You really do not realize how inferior a component is unless you have something to compare it to.... That's when you really realize the facts." Couldn't agree with you more.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@NeverTalkToCops1

2 жыл бұрын

Item A: Doesn't do anything useful (like fancy power cords or conditioners). Item B: Doesn't do anything useful (like fancy power cords or conditioners). Audiophool's conclusion: I'll compare A & B and select the one that is better.

I found that power conditioning took my rig to the point where I now I think I get the type of sound I spent quite a bit of money on, It might all balance out to improve the perceived resolution of lesser priced components as you suggested. I also bought one of those mains OLED noise meters to identify noise and to ensure the mains treatments actually "work"

This was a great take Jay. I appreciate you taking the time to describe your findings with power conditioners. My journey with them is very similar. When I had a lesser DAC, it did benefit greatly from conditioned power. I never liked my amp or preamp with them though, and with my current DAC, everything into the wall is far better for me now. Respect you for doing this one.

Exactly same experience here. Great Jay!

This is one of the best videos you’ve ever done. My findings are similar and a lot of dealers ram a power conditioner down your throat. I use a tube DAC preamp from Lampizator...my friend does too. His conditioner makes it sound like solid state. I just need better power cables now. I will not give up on bass or musicality.

It took me two years and several power conditioner swaps, cords, equipment changes etc. To come to this exact conclusion...I'm now running almost everything directly from the wall (2 channel). Good stuff, I agree 100%.

many thanks sir.your honesty is highly appreciated.by stated truthfully that not only is it"not" snake oil as all the so-called geniuses claim,but you also acknowledged it will not be beneficial in every system.once again i can't thank you enough for speaking openly and honestly

Another excellent discussion. Love the stark honesty. If you want sugar coating watch the other KZread channels.

Very informative video - thank you Jay👍🏻

Absolutely correct. I've had four power conditioners that I got with that manufacturers power cords. There was an audible improvement with two of them. I removed the conditioner,using only the power cord straight to the wall. With those two it was the power cord that brought the improvement, not the conditioner.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting

You are talking about Power Conditioners, but you list also the PS Audio Power Plant PS20 - that´s NOT a Power Conditioner, but a Power Regenerator! A totally different game. There are not that much devices in that category, spontaneously I remember the Accuphase PS-1230, IsoTek EVO3 or the Stromtank from Germany. These devices do not filter your power like for example the Shunyata´s or Audioquest do, but they completly restore the sine wave of the current. Therefore they do not fall into the same category as Power Conditioners.

@Yiannis2112

2 жыл бұрын

He also talks about surge protection. While many conditioners also provide surge protection, surge protectors are also a different thing.

@citytianyu

8 ай бұрын

I mean, yeah, but the point here is the sound. If all power generator would sound better than power conditioner, then yes, all you said makes sense. But if the regenerators dont certainly sound better, then I guess most people dont care and the word "power conditioner" here is just a concept for whatever box in between the gears and tge wall.

Thanks for sharing your experiences and insights. While the benefits of a conditioner can be largely system dependent (including the quality of mains supply)...IME the need for the low ambient noise floor (with all your gear switched on) is vital to maximising whatever your system is capable of...regardless of the price. So far I have been able to get the day time noise floor down to approx 33db...and approx 31.5db at late night. Goal is to get it below 30db...but it is getting harder!

In my own system, after years of experiments, I built "immunity" to mains born noise into each individual piece of equiptment. ( except the DAC - I didn't build the DAC ) This approach sounded much better than using a mains conditioner and avoids the shorcomings of them that are mentioned.

That’s why I use a balanced power isolation transformer that is SIZED properly to handle the load. Balanced power is based on physics, not snake oil. CMR, Common Mode Rejection will cancel out noise. Just like XLR balanced cables are designed for balanced differential noise rejection. It’s a simple process that cancels out and rejects noise on the AC line. My balanced power unit is sized larger than 5 times the rated output I’m using, so there’s lots of headroom for transients and crescendos.. Because of the large transformer used, there is always plenty of peak power available. Simple and effective based on real science and physics, not marketing BS. Makes a huge difference in lowering noise, dropping ground faults, etc… simple and proven.

@zdon8362

Жыл бұрын

Respectfully, Jay said he was struggling to see the difference in upstream components. My argument is, you should default to protecting your equipment if there is no obvious distinction. Why take a million dollar gamble? That would be the ultimate diminishing return

I have been thinking of upgrading my power conditioner for awhile and glad I didn’t do it already. After watching this video, I pulled my Pandora pre-amp out from existing conditioner and plugged it straight into the wall and wow I didn’t realized the conditioner was restricting the dynamic and sound stage of my system. Always learning something every days from Audio Labs. Thanks Jay!

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!!!

I agree on the power cords for the amps being important. When it comes to surge protection, the devise should be at the breaker panel. This is called primary surge protection. Anything in the house is a secondary surge protector and is less effective.

I had the breaker panel to my house replaced when I bought my house. It was totally worth it. I gave up on power conditioners awhile ago. Everyone I have tried restricted current flow. A better power cord than what you're device ships with will help , you don't need to go crazy to get an improvement either. Keep in mind most devices have power conditioning/power regulation built in to them. I basically have a higher current power strip for sources, pre/pro , amp, and my projector has its own outlet and subs each have their own outlets.

@epi2045

2 жыл бұрын

I have spent so much money on power conditioners. Then I realized calling the power company for a dedicated power line with a separate circuit was the solution. Hallelujah better than any power conditioner.

Wow! I agree with you 100% with what power conditioners do to power amps. For me it was diminished upper bass/lower midrange performance from the Niagara 5000. Everything else was stellar. The solution for me was to plug everything in the conditioner for general usage, but for critical listening plug the amp straight into the wall.

More good info. Jay! I myself use the Furman reference and yes there is a difference for the better.

Hey Jay. I’ve got a Transparent Powerwave conditioner. Killed the dynamics on my Pass Labs amp. In one of your previous videos you said play with your cables. See what they sound like connected to difference pieces. I plugged the Pass directly into the wall. Dynamics, and as you would say - slam - increased. I ordered a Transparent gen 6 Reference power cord the next day. Haven’t looked back. I prefer my Aurender and MSB Analogue DAC via the power conditioner. Noise floor is lower and backgrounds blacker. But the new MSB power bases and specifically the MSB Reference power bases are much more significant than the Analogue DACs. So as you say, the high end equipment often does not need conditioning. Great video. You are the only guy online with real high-end Hifi opinions and advice. Thanks.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Thanks Jay, interesting tips. And about the english ISOTEK conditioners....

In general each piece of hifi gear is suseptable to mains born noise AND contributes noise into the mains. So to avoid all mains born interaction each piece of euipment needs it's own independent mains conditioner.

I'm looking forward to hearing about PowerCell SX.

Found Niagara 1200 to improve on my powered ML ESL 15a speakers ( dual class D amps for subs ) it also helps with preamp , rest is wall direct , Jays recommendations are spot on and it’s perfect timing as I was considering upgrade to Niagara 5000 but now I’m thinking maybe I should try good power cord ,

Hi Jay, just like to say I love your channel. My system doesn’t compare to yours(around $200,000 total). I have everything plugged into a Shunyata Denali 6000T with Shunyata power cords and I personally don’t notice any increased brightness or loss of bass just tighter bass. My system is extremely resolving but maybe I’m missing something because my hearing isn’t what it once was. Keep the great videos coming.

My one nit on the video is that I also think this is hugely environment dependent too. Ex. My room that has dedicated 20 amp lines in a house 1.5 miles from a power substation did not benefit from the conditioner. But in the past, such as in a condo in a major city, the positive effect was bigger. Thus this is one where the system is part, but the environment is huge.

Great video Jay. Will you be making a video on the Galileo Powercell SX once it's broken in? I hope it performs well, it's a very handsome unit.

Hi Jay, it's not just you, I also feel that a lot of power conditioners take away tonality and musicality and trade it for resolution. It's quite a quest to find the optimum for best tonality. I also second your experience to plug power amp(s) straight to wall with an excellent cord, and keep the sources "conditioned". In my case, I also found that no conditioner is still best for DAC / phono / turntable. I use individual isolation transformers for them, and very high quality power cords. In addition, I have a capacitor bank that I engage in situations when the power factor is not optimal (holiday seasons), and an RGPC inductor when the line is overloaded and DC is present. That's all.... I renegaded the computer, lamps, wifi etc in the house on to the "dedicated", quite expensive audio line conditioners... LOL. I agree 100% with every single one of your conclusions, goals, and how you go about solving them! (I'm also a long time audiophile, listening for extended hours.)

Great review Jay! Have you tried a dedicated power line? If so, what did you think, worth it?

Jay- one of the issues that I found with power conditioners or isolators is the receptacles that they use on the boy. They all use hospital grade receptacles but those are not good enough when compared to brands like Furutech and eventually degrades performance. In my system all of my electronics including monoblock amplifiers, DACs etc go straight to the wall and into the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) receptacles which are fed by dedicated 10 guage circuits. This layout so far gave me the best performance compared to using a few power conditioners like Shuniyata/Audioquest in my system. That's why I do no longer feel like introducing a power conditioner product in my 2 channel audio system.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Good post

Jay, I am 100% agree with you. From my end, the only power conditioner that doesn’t subtract bass from a amp but add clarity and openness to the sound, is the shunyata cyclops. I tried others for amps including the shunyata d2000t and all subtract bass impact from the amp. The denali d2000 is better but still subtract a little impact as well.

This is a sleeper video Jay, and by that I mean that this is AWESOME content that might not be so obvious to everyone - and for me personally, it couldn't have come at a better time - when I budgeted for my current system, the power cord thing was just beginning - I've always paid attention to outlets and such and back in the 80's brought single phase 10 gauge straight into my room - now I'm kind of "wincing" because of my own experience at having messed with some decent power cords and learned for sure that there's no denying the benefits - so yeah, I'm figuring I could easily spend another 30k or so to finish things off which I didn't plan for - I'm torn between the Dragons and Valhalla2's, everything in my system is Valhalla2, so it's kind of a no brainer to go that way with Cords (thoughts?) - I've spoken to my dealer who actually carries both brands but he hasn't stepped up to the fundamental idea of letting me try both (and I don't mean outfitting the entire system, just a couple of each) - suppose I need to buy a couple of both brands and make my decision from there, then bail out of the brand I decide against - that's expensive experimentation for me - So anyway, thanks a ton for this vid - - I never figured conditioners were for me and although I'll never rule them out, because of you, at least I feel comfortable focusing on just cords for now. My kindest regards and respects Jay, I hope you can keep going with all of your great work.

I totally agree with your assessment of power conditions. My experience is the same. Power conditioners may give better sound but at the expense of music.

Great and extremely interesting episode! Very useful. If you want music engaging don't sella the VACs ;) Thanks Jay!!

For the last part of your mentioning about grounding, heard that a giant ground box from Entreq is coming out, Olympus Hero. May be its interested you. BTW, very nice and useful video. Thx.

I own Furman and Panamax power conditioners...amps to suffer dynamics if they don't have a high current outlet.....

I'm a new subscriber to Jay's channel. I watched those tier videos and I laughed. If those are elementary, middle or high school tier lists, I'm currently in the preteething tier list. Not even in the kindergarten list yet. It would be a privilege to even look at those components. Enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Hi Jay, through my experience I found out that component with separate power unit like my MSB premier with separate power unit perform better without power conditioner as they already have that covered in their own unit. Adding power conditioner change instruments sound and yes provide more details on the expense of the organic sound. So I agree with however I tried other Streamers like Aries without a power unit and found them better sounding with power conditioners.

Thanks...

I've had my Belkin Pure AV since 2005. It was only $500 and works great, cuts background white noise down by about 50%. I don't notice any detriment on my system, which uses gainclone amps and an ESS9028 DAC chip.

Jay, great video, I completely agree with your assessment regarding to the power conditioners, they all have their signature sounding and suck the life out of the music. I have the hydra triton v3 and I prefer plugging my tube amps straight to the wall outlets ( dedicated line with isolated ground ). I hear more and feel emotionally connected to the music. Is the triton v3 no good? No, I still have all my front end gears connected to it and extremely happy. Try gears with or without the power conditioner and see what you like. Again, great video and thank you for sharing.

Spot on Jay! Power conditioners particularly with amps create more resolution and tightness in the bass (that's why it sounds leaner). I notice the biggest trade-off in the decay of sound. Every frequency stops faster and does not sound natural. Try it guys listen to a string instrument recording using a power conditioner and then without it. The power conditioner chops the sound it's like pulling a string and stopping in with your hand vs. hearing it linger for a second. Music with a power conditioner can sound impressive at first but over time it's fatiguing, because it doesn't sound natural.

@explorinlearnindoing5462

Жыл бұрын

Good info. I have a iFi Powerstation on lend.... and I was suprised at the improvement in Stage as well as control of instruments, a more relaxed sound and even a nicer color. It didnt kill dynamics like many ppl say... so I was pleased but still in doubt.. like it has an on off switch. But your comment is interesting and I will listen again.... I am curious!

@manuelnunes3535

Жыл бұрын

Try a couple of songs with and without the Powerstation: Eagles, Hotel California, from Hell Freezes over the first 2 minutes of drums for the Bass. Then try Phil Collins in the Air Tonight for the highs pay attention to the reverb. Every power conditioner is different you may have a different outcome. I now use a Oyaide strip with no conditioning or surge protection

@explorinlearnindoing5462

Жыл бұрын

Well tbh I listened some more and didnt buy it. It was very late (tired) when I listened the first night. And the second listening I noticed the sounds faded out sooner than without the iFi Powerstation. The pro's on the first listen werent that obvious anymore and the more dampened sound was a turn off for me... a Furutech that I had on lend didnt have these issues. And the sound opened up more... So never listen when too tired. I knew that but I didnt know I was that tired.... and had a looong listening session too. No more filtering for me. Just pure power.

Only positive results with the Audience line conditioner I'm currently using. Musicality was the biggest improvement it brought to the table.

Feels like you opened the door for a video on Power cords -3 tiers based on price /performance, and grounding systems.

My experience with power conditioner was same as yours, somehow it killed the dynamic of the amps. A hi-end dealer also told me not to use the power conditioner/filter.

Give the tried and true Richard Gray 1200 Power Conditioner a shot. A simple execution using just 2 huge inductors and no fancy filtering techniques. This might seem to be a component that’s beneath you, but the damned thing works! You will hear more punch in your music without doing any harm to the systems musicality along with a lower noise floor. As a side benefit, you get a bit of extra power reserve. That’s been my experience for over 10 years of owning one. You are correct with power cables making a large difference for soundstage and resolution. 10 gauge is the way to go, even cheaper ones.

Like most things in audio, experiences differ. I daresay, I haven’t experienced any loss of oomph/dynamics/ bass slam, call it what you like, with my Torus 16 power conditioner. And I plug in everything including my 770w per ch monos and my two REL G1 into it.

I had an experience like this where I bought an Audioquest Tornado and an AQ Niagara 5000 at the same time, but the cable came first. The whole time,.I had been more excited for the conditioner, and when I got the cord and used it, I was blown away by the impact. That raised my expectations for the Niagara that much further. Then the Niagara came and... flat. The musicality disappeared. I was shocked how much more impactful the cable was.

@stugtodd2778

2 жыл бұрын

It's a difficult one. Perhaps the Niagra was actually just removing more noise - like any conditioner is it's job. With what comes through the wall - like video with what we see - audio what we hear is noise and fucked frequencies and waveforms. New wall wiring, dedicated lines, wall sockets, plugs, good cables, audio/video grade fuses, even Deoxit etc etc 'all' help greatly - I use them myself and they absolutely do work but believe they can only do so much by their design. But really at the end of the day what we hear is basically interference. Personally I think a good (good) conditioner takes away what isn't meant to be there and that's really what we are hearing and seeing. Yeah it can sound different until it becomes the norm. But personally when I've just plugged directly back into a wall I see the screen looks nothing like as clean and sharp - and audio sounds hashy and things get lost. But does need a bit of time one way or the other before going back. I 100% believe we need the whole lot but that's only my opinion

Great video Jay! Very interesting. As you said, power conditioners must me evaluated based on the system you use it on. In my more modest system a power conditioner is vital in terms of getting more details from my system, and as a result it get me more engaged in the music. The quality of the power conditioner must match the quality of the components. You have gone beyond;)

I not try yet with Amp direct to wall, but i try this days.. And my Niagara 5000 is very quiet, when i push on Power Correction ( from back) all is very defined and floats in the air.. Bass is incredible fast and with kick. In each plug, preamp sound different, from big stage ( plug 4) to small stage but incredible fast and real sound, i can choose.. To amp i have Audioquest Dragon power cable. This days i try dirrct to wall, but this cancell power correction, Niagara 5000 have power reserve 90 Amps ( this mean in my country with 230Volts , 20.700 watts , no any house circuits deliver this ! ) . Make from active energy, reactive and storage in one big capacitor , make all the time and the power consumtion is huge , more than double than with power correction off . BR

What you think about power strip ?

Jay - appreciated the power conditioner comments - ever try a Stromtank or like battery backup (especially for source components?

Jay, great video. Power conditioners often make the music and sound cleansed and resolved to perfection, it reminds me of distilled water. It may be close to perfection, but I like the raw one with minerals better. At least it has some flavor and expression.

@kalickipiotr

2 жыл бұрын

I also recommend to everyone to make a test once a while. Replace your all high end power cords with generic cables and plug them to basic strip or directly into the well. You will be able to see the direction you have taken with high end cables and analyze if you still keep the balance right or maybe went into some kind of extremes, which usually is never good.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Great post

Hi Jay, you didn’t mention anything about the PS Audio power conditioner. How does that compare to the others??

Actually found that better than the line conditioner was setting out a completely seperate 20 amp panel for the audio room with audiophile recepticals. This seems to be much greater bang for the buck than my Niagara.

You have to try Audience AR6 T4 power conditioner and Crystal DiVince power cord.

Same experience with power conditioners. Doesn't matter if it's my old entry level amp or my current mid one. Sucks the life out of the music. It's worst if you have a revealing system. I just use a very good powerstrip. I think electricity is pretty good where I live. Even the Niagara sounded worst than the wall to my taste on 25watt or 300watt amps. Only on sources it sounded very good but even then a large oversized custom linear power supply with separate regulations sounds better to me. So i use that.

What about Balanced Power Transformers? I am told they do not have the negative impact on musicality. Tried any?

Hi Jay, how is your MSB connected to the network? Do you use an audiophile switch or filter like GigaFoil?

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

I use the Regen switch

@owenlawlor5333

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaysaudiolab try a clock like emperor geismann after dark clock with LPS on both EtherRegen and clock. Omfg!

How about Powerbar because I have 3 amplifiers and 2 subwoofers what do you recommend? Thanks

It certainly takes some time and effort. However, regarding the having both pieces on hand for a solid "in situ" comparison; Couldn't agree more. Most importantly, it's often the 2nd change back to the original that tends to truly reveal the characteristics of the difference.

Hi Jay, can we get your take on the new B&W 800 D4's with Mike. Especially the entry level $12,500 804 floorstanders and how they perform for the money. Great content to boost your channel too : )

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

I plan to come see Mike at the end of the month

Did you try sound application pgi TT-7???

Jay are you using high end recepticals in the wall or just the regular $1.99 contractor stuff?

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Contractor stuff but I got new outlets that i haven't shown just yet.

DC blockers can be good to stop amp hum.

I se you are using SR galileo cables, what are your thoughts on the SR powercell's?

Let's face it, everything in a highly resolving system has a sonic signature whether it's power conditioners, power cords, interconnects, dacs, preamps, speakers and tubes. It's just a matter of mixing and matching all them seemingly endless combinations. Sometimes I think it better having a less is more approach with a system. In the end it's gonna come down to system synergy and musicality like you said. I agree with your experience with power conditioners with large amps. The bass just wasn't the same. I agree that perhaps they can be beneficial in other systems where a synergy could be established with lower powered stuff like dacs, phono preamps and streamers. I agree a decent power cord for my large amp is better than a power conditioner. It's also interesting not much is said about all this high end uber expensive gear and the work the company put into the power supply design. Msb, dcs and other know their stuff and pay a great attention to power supply design. Thanks!

@audiophileweekendwarrior2683

2 жыл бұрын

Jay have you tried the Furutech power distributors? Not conditioners per se but they do provide a little passive RF noise rejection and I find they are quite transparent and do not curtail bass or dynamics like conditioners. Also for surge suppression a whole home surge suppressor at the main panel is probably a better bet anyway.

Power conditioners seem to brighten the sound at the expense of the bass. One possibility is the removal of noise thins out the sound. Recordings were most likely made to sound good on the equipment of that time period. If power conditioners were available, the musicians and engineers probably would have modified the recording to sound good with power conditioners. Timbre and musicality are two of the most important things a stereo needs to do to get the music.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

If a big storm is forecast, I just unplug the sucker

Denali 6000/s v2 with alpha v2 xc power cord!!

Did you have your Niagara 5000 looked at? Mine has never hummed.

I was shocked at how much the noise floor dropped when I placed a Equitech Model Q Balanced Power Conditioner into my system. I have piggy backed it to my Promethean Power Flo. This equipment is quite dated by now but I still can't fathom why the Model Q's original owner ever returned this unit . I relegated my PS Audio Power Plant to my Video playback system.

The power conditioners usually react a lot better when you take the DAC away from it, and especially the streamer. The streamer has a tendency of affecting all of the rest of the gear really bad. Try Isol 8 mini sub axis, that is the most natural one I have heard, and the bigger models are slightly better. Most others sound a lot like Jay says: Unnatural and hyped up/weird and unrealistic dynamics. Plus what most power conditioners do wrong is use solid core cable which locks the sound into a certain mode so all different cables sound the same and all your units sound almost the same. Isol 8 are one of the few ones that does not do this. Plus it's dirt cheap. But yeah some gear does already filter the sound so much that power filtering from even some of the best boxes totally kill the sound. Mcintosh is a good example of that, most normal power boxes sound horrible on Mcintosh, only a few ones sound okay to pretty good.

I agree to some of this, but this is not the whole picture. Quite often power conditioning are isolated as a singel event when i'ts reviewed. I think thats wrong. I'v owned Isotek super titan evo3, Purist Audio Design, Entreq, Monster, Nordost and I'v also tried other brands in my system like Transparent, Isol-8, GigaWatt and Shunyata. They all sound different and have not the same effect as you also point out . I agree that power amps could be restrained, but front-end units (pre-amp and source) are usually gaining on this. Though, this is just one part of it. Nordost QRT system is the best I'v tried. You can try and use these products as you like and figure out where it has the best effect. I don't use the conditioning part of it in front of my poweramps. A very good straight line AC distributor path is important as the first product after the wall socket. The power cord is very important, especially the first one.

A dedicated power line from the street, high current, with extra low impedance earth pin might be a better idea

Today, i have one of the highest resolving systems known to man. Today it is NOT bright. It is extremely detailed without being harsh. IT USE TO BE JUST LIKE YOURS. Fatiguing for long listening sessions. Bright and harsh. I'm here to tell you that it can be extremely detailed without the negative aspect of the brightness. It still plays out to 35.000 hz. Not lacking any air or fine detail. CUSTOM Raven R2 tweeters with 13 pound magnets each, assure the detail is there. You might want to consider getting something with DIRAC room correction and the Umik-2. The umik-2 has a 32 bit chip that can process up to 192 Khz. The phase issues and brightness are all gone. System is extremely holographic and three dimensional. All the listener hears is the room in which the recording was made. The speakers audibly disappear completely and all that is left is an amazing lifelike holographic presentation. The speakers all work in unison to paint a wonderful picture who's instrument separation is unfathomed. It's taken me over 10 years, but I can say that I have reached audio nirvana. I can help you on your path if you are looking for some great advice. And you are correct that everything matters when it comes to picking out each and every audio component, because everything has an influence on the overall sound. And my system is engaging as well. I just gave a demo two days ago, and the person spent two hours and didn't want to stop. The listener was head bobbing and tapping toes on each and every song. In fact, when one song came on, he said if he was listening to it on his system, he would scroll right by to the next track. But on my system, he said that it drew him right in and he wanted to listen to the entire song. I had a second demo last night, and the person was listening for two hours and didn't want to stop. They were toe tapping and head bobbing as well. It's hard to balance highly resolving with highly engaging.

My equipment is plugged into a socket that I can switch off. Hopefully the lightning strike won't be an issue? But I am no expert.

@martinjohnson2381

2 жыл бұрын

There is no equipment that will protect your gear from a lightning strike. If you're able to (and it's safe), unplug everything.

Pardon me for posting twice, but I can understand how a person might hear a difference when dealing with tube amps. Many audiophiles can hear a difference between using tube type rectification in the amp, and solid state rectifiers, so the nature of the power supply to tubes can be a factor. Some audiophiles insist on tube rectification for the best tube sound. a lot of the very high end tube amps will use tube rectifiers in their linear power supplies.

Today i make test with Amp plug in wall and in Niagara 5000 ( with power correction on ) , from 3 times , same music , same level . I remain with all power cables in Niagara , no other comment. BR

Stromtank power bank is the only thing that really negated all of the negatives …

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe one day

@vadimlukasevic8659

2 жыл бұрын

Ineed! I built a power bank surpassing Stromtank in every parameter. I can’t go back to the wall as I miss naturalness the power bank provides

PSM 156 supposedly doesn’t restrict bass.

How do you plug your multi components? All into wall outlets directly?

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Yes for now.... You really only need like 3 outlets Max.

Big guy, love this review. Always skeptical about power conditioners. Dedicated lines from the breaker box to your audio is the best bet. Some 10/2 or 12/2 for the AMPS, and some lines for your sources. Thanks for another great video

My personal experiences with power conditioners were not so convincing either… all of them had dynamic restraints (even though manufacturers of these conditioners said theirs haven’t…LOL). This experience of mine regarding that is already one and a half decades ago…but from that on I never ever touched a power conditioner again and I don’t plan to do so in the future. I simply have a power „symmetrifier“ (no conditioner) for my front end and that’s it. NOTHING in front of my power amps except really good power cords.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

buy the best powercord you can afford instead

@dungysphincter7974

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaysaudiolab I think it would be a wonderful idea for a future review on power cords. I can't wait for your take. I was considering a power conditioner from Furman until seeing this video . My system is a budget system...below $5000. I can't afford to make bad decisions on my upgrades. But, I just want any upgrade I invoke to make sense at the lowest cost. I know your channel isn't for small fries like me. But, I trust you, and think your channel is my best source for truthful guidance. TY JAY!

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

@@dungysphincter7974 thank you

Get a $300 Brick Wall surge protector and call it quits!

A fun talk about power conditioners, Jay. Thanks. You didn't say much about the P20. Did you like it? Was it worse than Shunyata and Audioquest?

I was a PS Audio power regenerator fan for many years but I got sick of them breaking down time after time. Every one of them broke down and needed to be repaired. I came to the conclusion they were junk and not worth the drama of ownership. Then I bought a Shunyata Denali v1, which is a passive power conditioner. I now also use Shunyata digital cables.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't have mine break down but i didn't own it long enough

@brodricj3023

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaysaudiolab Consider yourself lucky. I owned 10 of them over the years (PPP, P3, P5, P10) and every one of them broke down. I contemplated buying P20 but I know it would have been more of the same so I changed to Shunyata. No reliability issues with Shunyata at all.

@Mark-lq3sb

2 жыл бұрын

@@brodricj3023 I would consider *you* unlucky. I've owned PS Audio regenerators (they are not power conditioners.) over the past 12 years and never had a break down. My (then) new P20 has no problems to this date. I have two other friends with them and no problems. In fact, one of them bought a new P10 years ago with no problems to this date. I'm not saying that PS Audio is perfect (who is?), but apparently, you have a black cloud over you.

@brodricj3023

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mark-lq3sb If you follow the PS Audio forums there are many reports there from power regenerator owners with faulty products, mostly in the 230V markets. Including an owner who bought two brand new P20's and they both arrived DOA.

@Mark-lq3sb

2 жыл бұрын

@@brodricj3023 If we're thinking of the same guy (in the U.S.) that bought two P20's he also bought one or two P15's at the same time and I believe the P15(s) *may* have had a problem too. My older brother bought new Pass amp mono's (about $20k.) a few years back they were DOA too. But Nelson's company took care of it right a way and if memory serves me correct, the guy with the bad P20's and (P15(s)?) Paul's company took care of him too. Point being, PS Audio isn't the only audio equipment manufacture that can have "problems". Why haven't I or my friends had faulty PS Audio regenerators over the past 12 years? Personally, I don't care for power conditioners. They all us some sort of filtering of the signal.

If you add a CHOKE (this is a large inductor usually looks like a transformer) into the B+ line on tube amps, the same thing might happen, it did for me. Seems then that SIMPLE direct line current works best for tube amps. I run my tube amps off 250 volt isolation transformer that I feel doesn't seem to adversely affect bass performance. Higher voltage means LESS current through the pipes, means possible dynamic improvement. So, as it pertains to power conditioners, the current required for QUALITY bass gets LIMITED - maybe non measurable transient requirements. As always, the EARS KNOW and meters GUESS.

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Great post !

@soundinsight

2 жыл бұрын

I have been at this for 30 years as a dealer. All you need is huge 220v Isolation transformer At least 4kv. You will actually have more power stored up in your own transformer for way better dynamics and the detail is simply organic as you Are not sharing the transformer that everybody in your community is using which is on the pole. There is simply no noise floor it is like from deep space. We are using a Richard Gray substation RM pro.

Hey Jay I want to do a consultation, when can we hook up.

Homeowners insurance covers lightening damage to hi-end stereo equipment.

The problem with conditioners is they starve components, that require high current, of power. If the sum of all the components you have running is higher than the max output of the conditioner, you will have under powered components. This will be most evident with amplifiers. (That's why your amp failed. Not enough power). Line isolation power boards with decent cords are the way to go as it will ALWAYS give you the full power available from the grid.

Jay don't get rid of those Vac monos. The class a monos you have and everything I have heard you bring so far into your room can't touch the Vac presentation. I know the topic is conditioning but you also said musicality and that where tubes shine. Their I said it. Lol 😆

@jaysaudiolab

2 жыл бұрын

Hard to say yes... The vacs run too 🔥

The last hope of the power conditioner is TRINITY Power Supply Conditioner Golden Reference €22,500

MSB TECHNOLOGIES MSB Reference DAC $49,500.00

@dungysphincter7974

2 жыл бұрын

What's funny is, I really think I have a very good DAC! It is considered a budget DAC at $460. Any DAC over $700-$800 is way out of my reach. I can only imagine the difference in these DACs. I think if I ever heard a real top of the line system in real life....Compared to what my ears have experienced, I may go into shock, then slide into a coma. Pray for me!

@dontcare563

2 жыл бұрын

What's your point? I think most people here understand the costs of this equipment.

@BanBiofuels

2 жыл бұрын

@@dontcare563 I posted the price because I have never heard of that brand, and many brands mentioned on this channel. I use to think that Audio Research was expensive equipment. I had no idea there was a whole realm of equipment even more expensive. I would like to hear it, but will never get the chance.

Which type of power supply does a power conditioner most benefit? Linear power supplies, or switch mode power supplies? Be careful about the answer. Saying it's the same would not be the correct answer. The power supplies are dramatically different from each other and as such the separation between the input and the output of the power supplies themselves are done differently. They share some common components like a transformer and filter caps but how they go about producing DC power is completely different. "I don't know" is also a very acceptable answer.

Yes, that'w why Chord explicitly states the following in regard to power conditioners and power cables for their preamps and amps: "do NOT use power conditioners and use ONLY the stock cable that comes with the amplifier, otherwise the sound quality will decrease"

What you say is exactly what the master from PS Audio himself says about power conditioners, you get more resolution and all that good stuff but you also rob the soul out of the music. He in fact doesn't recommend a power conditioner because of the "flavor" that every power conditioner has, however there are some very niche use cases when a power conditioner is required but in those rare use cases the audio quality and resolution is not the main reason why you'd want to use a power conditioner which is when you have very expensive equipment that may not be made anymore for decades or it's very sensitive or you are at an exposition where you share the same group with others and you have lots of signals being injected back into the grid that's a perfect example for when you'd want to have a power conditioner in between the grid and your precious audio equipment to filter out all the bad superimposed signals and have extra protection for the times that something goes wrong at the expo on your floor that the mistake made by your neighbor sharing the same group with you that his mistake doesn't take out your precious audio equipment too.