I love the fact he shows us the books.

@AlexThomson-EasternApproaches

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t love the fact he doesn’t take us through the passages.

@howdy2496

3 жыл бұрын

Which book is the one he is using at 3:40?

@thelwulf5501

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexThomson-EasternApproaches he literally has a million and one times if you watch his lectures. For example when he mentions St Justin around 2:00 he’s referencing probably the Apologies OR the debate with Trypho

@Theoretically-ko6lr

Жыл бұрын

Showing all the documentation of lies and years of false interpretations 🫡

@ThomasG_Nikolaj

Жыл бұрын

@@Theoretically-ko6lr So the direct successors and disciples of the Apostles in the late 1st and early 2nd century were wrong, but you 2000 years later are right? Got it

The passion and fiery from Jay Dyer on this is intense. I learned so much here - thank you!

I listen to this regularly as I'm trying to clear the fog of a couple decades of being in the shallow wells of evangelicaism. As a former Protestant, this is just devastating to their theology.

Jays gotta be the fastest reader in the West

This was a very good summation of the topic

Jay went HAM here!! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

God Bless you 2. We need more men like you.

Devastating

Enlightening brother.

Thank you.

Hey reformers, I wouldn't want to debate Jay either.

@RollOut82

Жыл бұрын

😆😅 That's EXACTLY how I felt watching this dude!!! Lol... I'm ortho-curious presently (still figuring things out), but came from a protestant background. And man..... yea... it'll be intellectual dishonesty for me to ever think to go back (to Protestantism), plus, I'd hate to take a protestant position and argue against a lad like Jay Dyer. I'd be crushed.

@Contramundum429

3 ай бұрын

He’s basically a career-ender for them. They now won’t debate him as it doesn’t work on their cost/benefit analysis.

@tony1685

2 ай бұрын

@@RollOut82 have you never figured out what the protest was/is all about, Sir? if you did, you'd remain Christian (protestant).

@Cynical_B

Ай бұрын

@@tony1685the Protestant reformation was for the Roman Catholic Church. Not the Eastern Orthodox church. Also, Eastern Orthodox Christians are Christians. I argue they have a much MUCH greater continuity with ancient authentic Christianity than any protestant sect.

@tony1685

Ай бұрын

@@Cynical_B much greater continuity? -- does this church obey Ex 20:8-11?

The lcms believes the church has the power to remit or retain sins, however they are quite the exception among protestants and really helped me accept some of the doctrines I used to object to before I ultimately became an orthodox inquirer, soon to be catecumen.

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."-The Revelation of St. John

the new cannon is the old cannon. like from the begging to the end from the end to the begging /

THANK YOU! I'm here as an antidote to the endless bashing by Protestants that shows up in the comments on virtually every Catholic KZread channel.

@tony1685

2 ай бұрын

you should read how the Bible 'bashes' the catholic 'church', anng -- It's crystal clear in showing it's not even Christianity.

@rippedgoat3587

15 күн бұрын

@@tony1685none of us are catholics?

any books you recommend to start my studies on Orthodoxy?

@joseonwalking8666

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on your background, but a good ones are in this list I iwll link. twitter.com/Lewis30730015/status/1311737195754000384

@fredfredburger6623

3 жыл бұрын

Find an Orthodox priest and seek his guidance for your reading. That’s my advice

@blade7506

2 жыл бұрын

“On the Incarnation” by St. Athanasius is a good start imo, but also finding other writings on the Creed and understanding it is good as well

@Theoretically-ko6lr

Жыл бұрын

Find a local church and get in contact with a priest. God bless your journey brother ❤

@groyper1177

3 ай бұрын

The Orthodox Faith, Worship, and Life by Hieromonk Gregorios

Please please please debate Jeff Durbin pretty please. Find a way. That will be the most entertaining and educational debate ever.

Which is the first book Jay is showing where he references Justin Martyr

@HickoryDickory86

2 жыл бұрын

Hendrickson's "Ante-Nicene Fathers" Volume 1, containing the _Apostolic Fathers, Justin Martyr, Iranaeus._

What is that music at the beginning?!

@InReality33

3 жыл бұрын

I believe it's valaam monastery chants

I've always leaned toward free grace salvation and OSAS, even before I considered myself a Christian. I mean, if Jesus' work on the cross was exactly how it was depicted in the Bible, a miracle from God at that level should be powerful enough to grant salvation to any Gentile or even Jew who only heard the Gospel once and never went to Church, but put all their faith in the Lord.

@triggered8556

8 ай бұрын

That’s not biblical

@christopher19894

8 ай бұрын

@triggered8556 Yes it is. John 3:16 is the cliche clincher that proves a guaranteed salvation through faith alone. Ephesians 2:8-9. Galatians 2:21. Think of it this way: once Adam ate the forbidden fruit, there was nothing he could do that would reverse his fall. Adam was once fallen always fallen (OFAF). In the same way, once you truly believe in Jesus' work on the cross, there's nothing you can do to reverse your salvation (OSAS) 🙏

@triggered8556

8 ай бұрын

@@christopher19894 That's not what those verses mean. You're putting the meaning into those verses. You are begging the question which is a fallacy.

@christopher19894

8 ай бұрын

@@triggered8556 What do those verses really mean then?

@triggered8556

8 ай бұрын

@@christopher19894 You're cherrypicking a single verse and ignoring the entire chapter in its full context. If I were to use your logic, according to John 3:5, it is logical to say that I can only go to Heaven via baptism.

Do you have a church to reconmend in the south bay area?

@omorthon5774

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, ROCOR Church of St. Herman in Sunnyvale, Antiochian Church in Saratoga, ROCOR Church in Burlingame, Greek Church near Santa Clara University, Russian Chuch near Palo Alto is fine too, Just check any of them out

@dom4550

3 жыл бұрын

io 987 thanks much, brother.

Why does this video have ads for LDS?

@colegest9742

3 жыл бұрын

Satans way of trying to distract viewers away from the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church.

@LadyMaria

2 жыл бұрын

Do you look up a lot of LDS stuff? That might be why. I didn't get those ads.

milky mamas have that power so i hear

He said Doug Wilson

What are the problems that come out of the Latin view of Trinity?

@visancristian8450

Жыл бұрын

It's a never ending problem that results in the heresy that we and God never really meet and we have no free will, we live in some kind of simulation, because the grace is created and the pope manages this grace to create his Imperium. Absolute divine simplicity also leads to natural theology, atheism, secularism, communism, capitalism. It's a satanic heresy according to Saint Gregory Palamas. You can find all about it in Jay Dyer channel and in the ortho sphere, that is the perfect place to start.

@OrthodoxInquiry

10 ай бұрын

Because they dogmatize absolute divine simplicity, God is ultimately modalistic and not an actual triad. Saying God is his essence, is his attributes, etc., logically leads to the Father being the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and vice versa. And the filioque is basically Arian subordinationism applied to the Holy Spirit. Aquinas also said that the property of begetting is proper to all three persons of the Trinity (which is retarded).

I no longer embrace the Protestantism of my youth and choose the Christology of the Orthodoxy which I find to be flawless. Jay is very impressive and I find myself in agreement with him much of the time. However, I do have one issue with the Orthodoxy, and that is its doctrine of the Confessional based on the words of Jesus cited in this video. Jesus, in addressing his Apostles, seems to give them authority to restore those who may fall into heresy and then later repent. The Confessional that we see in both RC and the Orthodoxy is without mention (as far as I can tell) by the Apostle Paul, who never lays it out in his many letters, while other doctrinal issues receive enormous detail and attention. Could it be that the Apostles alone were given this authority to restore believers in the early Church? That it wasn't meant as a form of almost daily confession of every conceivable shortcoming to the clergy? I certainly believe in repentance to the Lord Jesus Christ in daily prayer, however I would love to discuss this with any Orthodox believer who has a greater understanding of it. God bless!

@tony1685

2 ай бұрын

cited where? i doubt Jesus' Words were supportive of Christians asking for 3rd party forgiveness -- God Alone does that, Peter.

This is an absolutely brutal takedown of the history position.

Bro was Christmaxing for 20 mins

I’m just confused more than ever. I grew up Catholic, and then when I turned 18 I became an atheist first a few years. After that I became a born again Protestant and I was in a few different Protestant churches over the years. I even attended a seventh day Adventist church for a year. Recently I discovered the orthodox faith. And with all these different denominations saying they are correct, orthodox saying they are correct. I find myself more confused than ever before.

@airpodman1259

4 ай бұрын

Look at the historical lineage and how things develop historically and decide. It seems orthodox is the most unchanging. You could argue Protestant low churchism like house churchs. But definitely not seventh day adventists haha. I think apostolic succession is pretty powerful, and Catholics have far to much developments. Which leaves orthodoxy.

@zabdas83

3 ай бұрын

What denomination was Paul, John, Issac, Jacob, Abraham? So as they weren't part of denomination, their not saved?

@tony1685

2 ай бұрын

so you don't believe Ex 20:8-11 any longer, michael?

@tony1685

2 ай бұрын

@@airpodman1259 yet the 7th day Sabbath remains one of God's Commandments -- which is ignored by most, sadly.

@alexavgeris5620

2 ай бұрын

In all things, pray to God for enlightenment. Ask Him to guide you to His Truth and He will answer.

tradition is fine, as long as it doesn't contradict the rest of Scripture -- Isaiah 8:20, Deut 4:2, 12:32, Rev 22:18 this is why we know catholicism isn't Christianity.

Where does the Bible teach the Trinity in any recognisable sense? If you only read the Bible would you even arrive at the conclusion that God = the Holy Trinity. Apparently not, judging from the numbers of people who have done so and deny it.

@thomasthellamas9886

3 ай бұрын

Is God 1? Yes. Are the Holy Spirit and Jesus called God? Yes. Are the Holy Spirit and Jesus each other or the Father? No. Either deny one of these three clear biblical truths or affirm the mystery of the Trinity

@spikestoyou

25 күн бұрын

So because people have read the bible and misinterpreted it because they ignored tradition, it follows that the trinity is an unbiblical concept?

I have no problem with the message. However, why so angry and condescending? Where is the fruit of the spirit? You had an opportunity to reach many and blew it.

i love the seeking praising studying of and obedience to our creator God, his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit but Orthodoxy does eerily remind me of the Jewish Pharisees where the message gets lost in the liturgical clergical dogma and doctrine. Isn't the New Testament clearly putting aside the laws of Moses and all the dressings of righteousness in exchange for the new covenant? Its a thin line that the orthodox churches walk, almost as if it feels more worthy, more cherished than those who do not choose that particular expression of praising the father. Even to the degree that you have in infghting between the eastern orthodox and the oriental orthodox, how is that even a thing? Would you also deny the Christ returned as the pharisees did due to him not abiding by liturgical/rabbinical law? I wonder

@visancristian8450

Жыл бұрын

Go, educate your self about the continuity between OT and NT, because you are embarrassing ignorant, than come back to comment on your own ignorance. Don't try to debate, go and educate your self. Just trust me

For starters, no true child of God will call others fools. Secondly, what makes one become a child of God? According to John 1:1 all those who believed were given the power to become children of God! The power to become children of God is not granted by Dyer nor does depend upon synchronising one's opinion with any particular group of people! Christ said, "come to me and I ill give you rest", and lest us not succumb to man made obstacles!

The "churches the Apostles set up" were problematic, heretical and even apostate even in the FIRST century. The NT is primarily a bunch of letters sent to correct their errors, including "Revelation". We have those letters in case similar errors need to be confronted in the physical absence of the Apostles. And the apostles themselves needed doctrinal correcting, by Christ, even after Christ's resurrection. Christ is the living Word, but we have the *written* Word. "But you wouldn't have the canon without church authority" I don't deny it. But the buck has got to stop somewhere. And if it stops with church authority, then you end up with RCC brainwashing about how "Scripture must be interpreted in the light of Church doctrine" i.e. "God means what we say he means" and that can be ANYTHING.

@bigol9223

5 ай бұрын

How did Paul become the church authority? Does it not stand to reason that if he was writing letters to correct heretical or wayward churches so early, and he had others he taught, just like all apostles did, then they had those whom they taught, and churches they headed, and communicated with, and counseled with.. this will have been the authority of the church, without which the scriptures alone are clearly up for any misinterpretation under the sun.

@Nunya_Bidness_53

5 ай бұрын

@@bigol9223 Apostolic discipline corrected heresies or errors to the truth of Scripture and the Gospel (which now *is* Scripture). And included warnings that if an angel let alone an apostle deviated from it, then be damned to them.

@thekinglink906

4 ай бұрын

This is a rather simplistic answer to a rather complex issue. Yes, the early church had issues. The issues were sorted about the apostles, and eventually their successors and so on. We have councils all the way back to the Book of Acts, which is a means through the Holy Spirit to determine the truth or falsehood of an idea. Many cases of the early church condemning heresies exist throughout the first millennium. There were early Bishops/Fathers that went into error and had to be either corrected or excommunicated. Once the letters were compiled into the NT, do you think they just ignored these teachings? Most of the books were in some form of circulation in the early church by the 2nd century through the liturgies. Yes, they needed correction, as we all do. The beauty of the Church is that it is binding to the straight and narrow path. One Holy and unified faith. Many people will cite specific church fathers teaching as if they are gospel. These are fallible men, that got a lot right, but not everything. But when they came together is when they found the truth. Why cite the RCC for the example here? This video pertains to the Orthodox Catholic church. Regardless, the alternative is the result of Sola/Solo Scriptura, where ANYONE can decide how to interpret the Bible privately and personally. Your word vs. my word. I've seen the fruits of that ideology with my own eyes. So many doctrines of Christianity, or what people think is Christianity, pitted against each other. Thousands of them. Who got it right? I'm not trying to sound rude by any means. So forgive me if I do. But there are plenty of resources to give answers to these points out there. Jay has covered a ton of information on church history, theology, philosophy, etc. And he is far from the only one who has done so.

@Nunya_Bidness_53

4 ай бұрын

@@thekinglink906 Prima or even Sola Scriptura does not mean liberty to interpret Scripture any old way. There's only one correct interpretation of Scripture and it hinges on "audience relevance" i.e. What would it mean to those reading it when it was written? This would be the meaning the writer had in mind. Example: "The Day of The Lord" imagery. Bronze age meaning: God brings national calamity in the form of foreign invasion as judgement. Private meanings: -the sky literally will fall at some point/the earth is flat -its an asteroid impact being described -its symbolic of nuclear winter conditions It's like Shakespeare. When he starts talking about a "fringed jacket" it's a double entendre about venereal disease, which his Elizabethan audience would have understood. Modern people who ignore the original intended audience think it means a jacket with a fringe, like Tonto from the "Lone Ranger".

@thekinglink906

4 ай бұрын

@@Nunya_Bidness_53 So if that's the case, answer to me the fruit of protestantism. Why are there so many different ways people look at Scripture? There is nothing binding people to any interpretation. Every denomination says they have it right. From a historical perspective, the Orthodox have been consistent on the interpretation of scripture, and have the history to prove it. Each reformed has their "own" way of figuring things out. If it's so easy, why isn't there just one protestant denomination? Sola Scriptura, no matter what way you put it, has bad fruits in the history of Christianity. You lay out a meaning to me, but it has not been shown to be backed up by the post-reformation history. Different Bible translations have different ways of conveying points, different churches preach different things, certain things mean more to other denominations, constant finger pointing to who really "has it right or wrong." It is also not how church history for the first 1500 years reflects study into Scriptures.

As somebody who grew up in a Lutheran/Reformed environment and has observed plenty of Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy, I can tell you personally that his first point is entirely FALSE. "Protestants" (which, not every non-Catholic/Orthodox Christian is one) are WAYYY more immersed in Holy Scripture. Even my Greek Orthodox wife agrees.

Jay Dyer is good at 2 things….running his mouth and beating up straw men…

@markmartinez7715

2 жыл бұрын

Make a real argument or shut your mouth.

@peytonl2976

Жыл бұрын

It isnt a strawman if this is exactly what these people say and believe.

@Electricianservicesoc

Жыл бұрын

@@peytonl2976 this is exactly what I’m talking about. This is exactly what who says? And what exactly did who say what? You smashed “people’ into a group and said “this is what they say” this argumentation is childish literally

@peytonl2976

Жыл бұрын

@@Electricianservicesoc it’s quite obvious who “they” are. Protestants that speak their beliefs

@Electricianservicesoc

Жыл бұрын

@@peytonl2976 so you finally made a name for the group “they” so now the straw man is called Protestant…good job you still have a straw man

@jaydyer - ever debate any protestants?