"One needs to be a critic in order to be truly hopeful." A great insight.

@thanos879

2 ай бұрын

Misquote

a note about the CC subtitles: what is written is "Providence," but Jaron Lanier is actually saying "Provenance" - in the framework of Data Provenance. not sure if it was pointed out in comments, and just in case someone needs clarity there, because this is probably the most important point Jaron Lanier is making.

I'm so impressed with the hosts! Both are so smart, thinking and responding on the fly, and engaged. Great interview

@DontKnowNoSnakes

6 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same. Especially given how vast the topic is and how much Lanier is covering, they did an excellent job of grabbing certain moments for further clarity or followups.

@v1kt0u5

6 ай бұрын

Well, in fact it is on some independent podcasts where you could find the best hosts for interviewing the smartest people, and within a much longer format.

@smishfish

6 ай бұрын

The hosts are great actors. Lanier does well, but still gives off the vibe of someone trying to explain something to Elmo's less intelligent cousins.

@benyaminewanganyahu

6 ай бұрын

Is this satire? I'm 3 mins in and the host has already interrupted him - 3:27

@humanoid9787

5 ай бұрын

The hosts really pressed him on some important points. That was very impressive

Jaron Lanier is an underrated voice (probably because his message would cost Social Media companies a lot of money!)

@Corteum

6 ай бұрын

They'll cost themselves a lot of money if they're not careful.

@vsanden

5 ай бұрын

He is indeed an underrated voice, but the conversation was somehow pretty short and I would love to have watched more

@davestagner

5 ай бұрын

What, you mean the guy who wrote a book called “Ten Reasons to Delete Your Social Media Accounts Right Now” might be less than ideal for the interests of social media companies? 😂 (Great book btw!)

@harbingerofevil

5 ай бұрын

The reason why you do not know him from the media is his looks. How many people like him do you usually see in the media? It's our superficiality. We want to see nice, lean people in a suit or sports outfit coming right from the hair dresser, so that's what we (usually) get to see. Google has 1M results for "Jaron Lanier" and 64M for "Bill Gates". If you take into account what I just wrote then 1:64 ratio is not that bad… if you accept a google search result count as a measurement. Someone can only be valued if what (s)he says is known to people. Now he and what he said/wrrote is not known that much becuase .

I think his argument about open source falls completely flat simply because closed source has lead to the very thing he suggests open source would do. I'd much rather live in a world where everything is hyper centralized and open source than hyper centralized and closed source.

I've followed Jaron since the mid 80's because of his ability to make the extremely complex easy to understand, and his stance on technology oversight for transparency and fairness. I think if tech had more people like him, we'd likely be a lot further advanced than we already are with considerably more useful technology benefiting society, which has always been his aim.

@txekoratsu

5 ай бұрын

I agree.

@ericcricket4877

5 ай бұрын

You mean business had more people like him? Tech people generally just do what they're paid for.

@prospicience

4 ай бұрын

@@ericcricket4877 Both Businesses and tech people. If there were more tech people like him, there would be more businesses that think like him (IMO).

He is one of those people who not enough people have heard of, but who will be remembered as one of the greats. Well done for having him.

@ibrahimkuyumcu2649

5 ай бұрын

Right. Overappreciated.

@dez7852

5 ай бұрын

I remember reading an article on him in Wired forever ago. Was on my mind of late. Glad to see him still part of the conversation. He makes some truly salient points.

It’s underrated just how much he can dumb down these topics for us regular people. I’m sure when geniuses talk to each other in private, it sounds like another language.

Bring this man here again, and each time will be unique and full of freshness. Well done Jaron!

@ClayMann

6 ай бұрын

he's a rare genius and I have followed him long enough that his speeches turn out to be extremely prophetic. He's like a hippy version of Ray Kurzweil.

@hitmusicworldwide

6 ай бұрын

The way he smoothly glided into declaring that open source = monopoly and then using Google as an example of open source demonstrated that he is not working for Google but a competitor, and no, that observation is neither correct nor accurate in any way. It was a slick try but it didn't pass muster. Google itself is not open source GNU/ Linux, Firefox, Gimp , VLC etc are open source. He avoided the real examples With his pedigree that was on purpose. So be wary...

@kwimms

6 ай бұрын

He is a snake and should be treated as such.

@Kazekoge101

6 ай бұрын

Yes, he works for Microsoft@@hitmusicworldwide

Why is this guy so likeable? The way he speaks, the explanations, they're so engaging, made me want to hear more and learn about such a new topic like AI. What an amazing session.

@Diemf74

5 ай бұрын

Because he smiles and speaks in a friendly tone. Typical human easy to manipulate

@denisblack9897

5 ай бұрын

cause he's a musician you learn how to never sound boring practicing music, its a very very useful 'hobby', it levels up every aspect of your life

@chrisklein9618

5 ай бұрын

If you like listening to him, I highly recommend his book, You Are Not A Robot.

@Nutmegsyourman

5 ай бұрын

Because he knows the cameras are rolling.

@nevermind4679

4 ай бұрын

Yes! Just a slight correction; the book title is 'You Are Not a Gadget: A Manifesto' @@chrisklein9618

The interesting thing is that Microsoft hired him to be an independent dissenting voice (so he told me). Much like Minsky, they actively want to engage in the argument. That is encouraging to me.

When I lived in the Bay Area in the 80s I remember Jaron being a big deal in the hobbyist computer world when he was really pushing the boundaries of the limited tech that was available then. I really appreciate that he’s still at it today and is great at taking that 30,000 ft view of the coming revolution.

I love Jaron every time I hear him talk and always end up feeling enriched

@justdoeverything8883

6 ай бұрын

Same! His views are always unique and very well defined.

@dilbyjones

5 ай бұрын

I think he counts on math so much and I intend to do the same in my studies.

Jaron Lanier is a legend; he has some great books and I cannot recommended them enough as he's just such a thoughtful, insightful dude. A particular favourite of mine is "Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now". The title, you would think, says it all but that book is so full of amazingly erudite observations and suggestions. It changed my life in the sense that it framed for me the acerbic toxicity of social media so succinctly that I never looked back on abandoning every single shred of social media interaction in my life.

@chinmeysway

5 ай бұрын

nice! to learn there a book like this. i’ve ditched the digital socialization (other than YT i suppose) and haven’t missed it much!

@WatchesAndPhotography

5 ай бұрын

I’ve read that book and subsequently deleted all my social media and I can say that that has been one of the best decisions I’ve done for myself and my well-being in a long time. I can actually see clearly, looking back and in the present, how social media has had such a negative impact on my life in many ways. I can actually look back and see how manipulated I was, how addicted I was to those platforms, how much it controlled my life and my thoughts, it’s scary to even think about now! Anyway, anytime I see someone who’s read Jaron’s book or talk about how they have deleted their social media it makes me more hopeful.

@procrusteus

5 ай бұрын

I'm a little confused by what you said.............this isn't meant as sarcasm or to be disrespectful but isn't KZread a form of social media, and if not why don't you think so?

@anonymousandauthentic8704

5 ай бұрын

I have social media, but I don't really look at it. I have one real friend. But I like things like discord cause talking to strangers, international is something special to me. Things like tiktok or insta on other hand are a mirror of the society and an indicator for how important real education is.

Holy cow! This guys looks like he would be speaking well above your head, but man, he speaks plainly and in a way that a regular person can understand. He’s got a very great skill in this.

People who know there is no black and white are great. I like these kinds of interviews. Regulation is very important.

I remember him from my Mondo2000 days, true pioneer who would have steered computing in the right direction if it had not been high jacked by capitalist

@kalonicamcquesten692

5 ай бұрын

I have faith he’s pushing envelope from the inside.

@kalonicamcquesten692

5 ай бұрын

I was at the screening of Minority Report with Jaron. And had set his virtual reality headset on my head ten years before that. And, like you, I was in the Mondo 2000 bubble.

I was skeptical of Jaron, but he has mostly sold me that he is one of the few people who understand the real issues.

@humanbeing5300

5 ай бұрын

why were you skeptical? Are you just now learning who he is? Dude has been one of the most truly knowledgeable tech people for 30 years

@konberner170

5 ай бұрын

@@humanbeing5300 Because plenty of knowledgeable techies are either corrupt, confused, or most often both when it comes to the real issues in ethics.

@humanbeing5300

5 ай бұрын

@@konberner170 we need more Jaron’s and people like him that’s for sure

@konberner170

5 ай бұрын

@@humanbeing5300 In my view, the fact Microsoft has him is a solid +1 for them.

Awesome conversation ! We want more Jaron !

Interesting interview but an improvement for next time would be to have at least one interviewer who understands on a technical level how different models work. Recommender systems are not at all the same thing as large language models, like saying cardiology and pediatrics are the same thing because they are both "medicine".

Jaron was correct on every point in this interview. And the interviewers were on the ball, and actually listened.

Criticism is the true face of optimism, and courage is the true face of criticism. Live with a backbone.

The moment you notice jaron lanier has some new content 🥳🥳

Its so nice to hear brilliant ppl like him.

Jaron Lanier's contributions and perspectives are particularly relevant in the current scenario for several reasons: 1. Ethical AI Development and Use: In an era where AI is becoming increasingly integrated into various aspects of our lives, Lanier's insights remind us of the importance of ethical considerations in AI development. His emphasis on data dignity, where individuals are recognized and compensated for their contributions to AI training, is crucial for ensuring fair and ethical use of personal data. 2. Critical Evaluation of Technological Advancements: Lanier's role as a critic, despite being a pioneer in the field, is essential. In a time when technological advancements are rapidly evolving, having a voice that not only celebrates these developments but also critically evaluates their impact on society is invaluable. His perspectives help in balancing the excitement around AI with a necessary caution about its potential negative impacts. 3.Advocacy for Transparency and User Empowerment: Lanier advocates for transparency in AI systems and empowering users by making them aware of how their data is used. This is particularly important in an age where issues of privacy and data misuse are prevalent. His views encourage a shift towards more user-centric models in technology, promoting greater trust and accountability. 4. The Future of Work and Society: Lanier’s ideas about compensating individuals for their data contributions tie into larger discussions about the future of work and the economy in the AI age. As automation and AI continue to transform the job market, his proposals offer alternative ways to think about economic participation and the value of human contributions in a digital world. If we do not heed Lanier's insights and warnings, we risk developing and deploying AI technologies without fully considering their ethical implications, societal impacts, and the need for equitable data practices. This could lead to increased issues of privacy infringement, unequal power dynamics in the digital economy, and the perpetuation of systems that prioritize corporate benefits over individual rights and societal welfare. Lanier’s contributions offer a path towards more responsible and beneficial AI development, emphasizing the need for a balance between technological innovation and human-centered values.

@realfarmerdelatorre

6 ай бұрын

This was written by Chat GPT?

@SR-fx5sm

5 ай бұрын

@@realfarmerdelatorre sure reads like it

@horustwohawks

5 ай бұрын

@@SR-fx5sm It does, and yet i find it to be a valuably pertinent reflection / contribution (was glad I read it).

Every time i hear Jaron speak I wonder how he managed to roll nat 20s on Wisdom, Intelligence AND charisma. I think hes a benevolent matrix agent insert.

Jaron has been a pioneering voice on tech for decades.

"The Critic is the True Optimist" - this defines my entire career (and my success in it). Being brave enough to point out (and then fix) problems is critical for tech. Great interview.

I wish they had a more refined discussion on the question of open source. the interviewers didn't seem to fully understand the arguments for and against it and didn't ask him to clarify his stance in a meaningful way. eg, the question of what's going on in the "black box" of AI is not the argument for open sourcing it. it's about control over and knowledge of the training data and output. with fully proprietary closed AI models, censorship becomes a much bigger problem.

Yes, a very nice conversation, I especially liked the idea of a strong legislative structure being able to actually facilitate innovation, having never thought of it that way. The other lovely part was about humans liking to make things which others wil buy, because in order for one to buy, one has to be willing to give up a part of one's living (as in 'making a living').

Can somebody explain to me his argument that open source leads to hyper-centralization. He said its due to mathematics and that there are numerous examples but he didn't explain the math or mention an example. "Releasing the code supports emergent monopolies"

@evanhudson881

6 ай бұрын

That struck me as weird too- but ultimately more revealing about his worldview than anything. I’m guessing he means that psychopaths like the ones at Microsoft will weaponize people’s altruism against them by acting in a zero-sum fashion. Probably because he works at Microsoft and knows the mindset well, lol. This interview was scarier

@kamu747

6 ай бұрын

Had me confused as well. So I asked ChatGPT & its answer makes sense to me. It's up to you to dig deeper and weigh its validity, but it's a starting point to explain what you asked. Here's what it wrote: Jaron Lanier's argument about open source leading to hyper-centralization is a complex and somewhat controversial perspective. The basic idea is that while open source is intended to democratize software development by allowing everyone access to the code, in practice, it can sometimes lead to a few dominant entities controlling a technology or market. Here's a simplified breakdown of the argument: 1. Open Access to Code: Open source software (OSS) is freely available for anyone to use, modify, and distribute. This theoretically allows for a wide range of contributors and innovators. 2. Skill and Resource Disparity: In practice, though, contributing to and effectively using OSS requires significant skill, resources, and time. This means that while everyone has access to the code, not everyone is equally equipped to use it or contribute to it effectively. 3. Dominance by Few Entities: As a result, entities (like large tech companies) with abundant resources and skilled personnel can dominate the development and direction of key OSS projects. They are better equipped to contribute significant improvements, maintain the software, and build infrastructure around it. 4. Dependency and Control: This dominance can lead to a situation where a majority of the market becomes dependent on a few entities. They essentially control the technology despite its open-source nature, leading to a form of hyper-centralization. 5. Mathematical Basis: The mathematical aspect Lanier refers to might be related to network effects and power law distributions, common in digital and networked economies. In such systems, small advantages can compound over time, leading to a situation where a few players hold a disproportionate amount of power or market share. While this perspective is subject to debate, it highlights an interesting paradox in the digital economy: initiatives aimed at decentralization and democratization can sometimes inadvertently lead to increased centralization.

@kamu747

6 ай бұрын

Btw, OpenAI started as a small open source out fit, but the road it's taking, it is showing signs of an emergent monopoly. It is well on its way to becoming Big Tech.

@victorolvera6482

6 ай бұрын

@@kamu747He seems to be mingling distribution of source-code with distribution of power (I think those two should be though of as separate). In linux power is centralized on Linux Tovalts. Although his project is open source he retains control over it (I think the community yields to him out of respect). Lanier's argument doesn't fully hold. There are many Linux distros. There are many browsers based on Mozilla code. OpenAI is showing signs of emergent monopoly because it abandoned its open source nature to retain power. I think when Linus Tovalts passes away I say the tower of babel syndrome will play out (due to a power vacuum) and Linux will start to fragment.

@victorolvera6482

6 ай бұрын

@@kamu747Its like the failure of communism. Wealth and power as two separate forces. Communist believe in common prosperity by supposedly allowing everyone to share the resources, sharing the wealth. But what communism governments end up doing is horde power. Communist countries have a large power gap between the haves and the have-nots. hence the imbalance, hence their problems. Capitalism is sorta different. Capitalism promotes hording wealth but democratic governments tend to better distribute power with the people. Share the power. Its better to have power then wealth.

Thanks for Jaron and the 2 hosts for this interview, it gives me hope to see humans working on the future ways forward

I love that Jaron is still involved in a meaningful way in industry. It would be a shame if he were to throw up his hands in despair and leave entirely due to frustration with [insert any typical reason here that creative types leave big companies]. So much better to see someone like this trying to guide things from inside.

Jaron's notion that human generated data will continue to be relevant to AI training as AI models progress, presumes that it is not possible to transition to AI self training in some way similar to the step between AlphaGo and Alpha*. That may turn out to be true for some time to come, but the mere existence of organic intelligence suggests that those days are numbered. Once a general AI architecture no longer relies on humans to generate training data, the shift of human workers toward a service economy (even including things like Etsy) will overtake all of us. At that point the only way to keep pace with AI super-intellect will be to hybridize yourself so that you are no longer bound to human intellectual limitations. I think the only way to avert massive levels of poverty and desperation - without essentially eliminating humanity - will be to offer a generous UBI, paid for by the hopefully dramatic increase in productivity that automation brings. This is NOT just another Industrial Revolution. A hundred years ago, vast numbers of blacksmiths retrained as auto mechanics, but that revolution was not about people. It was about physical work. Horsepower. And virtually all the horses very quickly lost their jobs. It's going to be a wild, scary ride. And we're already boarding.

@GearForTheYear

5 ай бұрын

Most of the top-of-the-leaderboard smaller language models are trained using synthetic data created by GPT-4 and have seen massive performance improvements. It’s already happening.

I can smell that dude's head through my screen.

Great video! Please more from Jaron Lanier!

I thought I wasn't going to like this guy, that he was not what he's being paid to be. But then at the 12 minute mark I realized this guy's a genius! Geniuses really do have weird personalities - it's just a fact.

'Either the customer is you, or it's someone who wants to manipulate you.' - YES x 1000

What a gold nugget this guy is! Reminds me of an old friend of mine.. Anyways, from the get go "Criticism is the true face of optimism" that centence alone has more wisdom in it than like anything I've heard or read this year so far. Thank you Octopusman!

Wow, a MSM interview where the interviewers actually did some research!! Very nice.

Yes! Lanier has it right - Provenance of content - especially photos and audio/video recordings of real events, attested to on a blockchain (or functional equivalent) where anyone can see the original from which content is claimed to be derived AND verify that it matches a hash on the chain along with author info and their attestation of HOW the content was created. The current idea of watermarking AI generated images is obviously doomed to fail from the starting gate, but if something is claimed to be a representation of a real event, we should be able to check that at least the author claims that and takes responsibility for the truth of that statement. And hold any fraudsters who make false claims accountable by penalty of law. For really dangerous information (things authorities will want to keep hidden for example), authors should probably get digitally signed attestations by witnesses of the event represented in their content. Ideally in a way that witnesses can remain anonymous until they are called upon to verify their witnessing in a court.

@schmetterling4477

6 ай бұрын

A photo is never enough in a legal setting. Like all evidence it has to come with a chain of custody, i.e. we need to know how it came into existence and then into the possession of the court. That's already covered under current law.

@RandomButBeautiful

5 ай бұрын

the trouble with extreme provenance is that it is the antithesis of privacy. Do you want every single thing you ever did or said to be traceable back to you as part of a permanent record? Would you be willing to accept that anything you did online - anything - could come back to haunt you in 50 years time, in an unpredicted era of novel attitudes? It would be the end of personal freedom and of the 'right to be forgotten' - which is a little ironic, seeing as Jaron said he worked on GDPR.

@tomcraver9659

5 ай бұрын

@@RandomButBeautiful um... How do you get from "content creators record and certify their creations as done by them and attest to their veracity" to "every thing I ever do on the internets will be recorded"?

@RandomButBeautiful

5 ай бұрын

@@tomcraver9659 You are quoting me as quoting something that was never written. So long as you are fully at choice and do not lose your right to be forgotten, which is a real thing already encoded into the very law which Lanier has worked on..... do you understand? Waltonchain has been working for several years on provenance in global product distribution. And then there are NFTs of course which can be used to create a unique signature for a digital file. Those things already exist. As to whether there is a way to track content and potentially block it from being used to train a model, that is only going to work if it is legally required for models to declare their sources. I don't see how any of them could be incentivized to take that burden on voluntarily.

@tomcraver9659

5 ай бұрын

@@RandomButBeautiful Sorry, I assumed you'd realize I was paraphrasing your comment, not quoting it, just as I paraphrased my own previous comment. You seem to be talking about a bunch of things that simply aren't related to my comment, which focused on solving the "fake content" issue, not issues of privacy or being forgotten or preventing the use of content to train models.

Great interview, thx for making it👍

Thanks for having him on! A true pioneer and voice of reason

This is the most coherent I've ever seen Jason. Great to see.

Most insightful talk I heard for a while.

I love this guy. Jaron is very impressive.

Wow... what a great talk. Like I'm glad I watched this.

The conversation was spread too thin I think. Some depth on specific topics is what I came for.

If only the hosts would stop interrupting his answers to their questions, we could learn so much more.

This is a hilarious interview. They ask him a question and he just goes off in a completely different direction (over and over again).

@MarcoMugnatto

6 ай бұрын

He seems to be there to try to justify the closed source nature of Microsoft

@ashpete21

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for your insights, hostile Chatbot!

@brianbagnall3029

5 ай бұрын

Not really. He seems to answer the questions.

@Nutmegsyourman

5 ай бұрын

It's called being evasive.

@ecstaticdancehamburg

5 ай бұрын

I agree. He seems actually not so clear making his points.

I like how he says "we" when taking about big tech. It helps remind me of potential bias but also the viewpoint he is coming from.

Very interesting and thought provoking, thanks!

Jaron Lanier is superchill! And the hosts did their homework well.

Great conversation. Thank you for sharing.

This was a great conversation, would have loved to see Jaron on some longer form podcasts. This shouod be watched by more.

I'm trying to understand this idea of open-source, hyper-centralization, and the exchange of information being the monopoly. I think what he is saying is that without monitization and market forces, there is no competition. That's what creates the monopoly. Really that's brilliant.

"We don't want to mess up society. We depend on society for business."

Why did you cut in the middle of him speaking? What did he say that you left out of this version of the video? Just curious.

Criticism is the ultimate face of optimism. What a brilliant observation. So true and sadly actively avoided by most due to our modern day sensitivities. Would have liked him to delve more into the mathematical issue with open source creating hypernodes. Not sure i agree.

@asher_2789

5 ай бұрын

im frequently critical of many aspects of our society to the point that im seen as a "negative nancy" by others. hearing him equate criticism to the purist form of optimism made me learn something about myself. complacent people ("stop whining") are the real negative nancies, as they lack the imagination to see a better world than the one weve got.

His book 'Dawn of the New Everything' is incredible and prescient (published in 2017). He is one who eschews social media but I try to share his work in VR and thoughts on AI and tech whenever I can.

Wow. Did not know of him. It has been a long time since I have heard thoughtful, knowledgeable answers.

The privilege that you can create a position for yourself in a company you work and name it in a way that it is funny! Awesome!

wow, blown away by his intelligence and great questions from the hosts picking up on things said and extrapolating on that.

Jaron is a legit genius in this space. He's a VERY unheard voice that should be heard everywhere. Would love for him to get on Joe Rogan just to get some big big reach.

Well done ,,,needs to be heard . Thanks♾️

Businesses want regulation for a simple reason, it differentiates legal operations from illegal ones. This allows the company to take legal actions without being exposed to lawsuits. They can say "The law allows this, if you don't like the outcome, change the law." As a result, they don't get fines and don't go to jail and can creatively get as much money as possible. Given their expectations about what the legislators will do, this is a recipe for making an infinite amount of money in their minds.

@techtrensdacademy

6 ай бұрын

The comment you've provided touches upon a complex and nuanced aspect of business and regulatory dynamics, especially in the context of technology and AI. Regulation as a Differentiator: It's true that clear regulations can help differentiate legal from illegal operations. For businesses, especially in rapidly evolving fields like AI, having a clear regulatory framework can provide guidelines for compliance and reduce uncertainties. This helps companies navigate their operations within the bounds of the law. Legal Shielding: The statement that businesses can deflect responsibility by pointing to the law has some merit. If a company's practices are legally compliant, they can defend themselves against lawsuits by citing adherence to existing regulations. This doesn't necessarily absolve them of ethical responsibilities but does provide a legal basis for their actions. Avoidance of Penalties: Operating within the law naturally helps businesses avoid fines and legal repercussions. This is a basic principle of business operations - compliance with the law is fundamental to maintaining a company's legal and operational standing. Financial Motivations: The idea that businesses view regulation as a pathway to "make an infinite amount of money" is an oversimplification. While it's true that companies aim to maximize profits, this is a broad and not always accurate characterization of their motivations. Many businesses also consider factors like innovation, customer satisfaction, social responsibility, and long-term sustainability. Legislative Expectations: Your comment suggests a degree of cynicism about the relationship between businesses and legislators. While there are instances where companies may try to influence legislation to their advantage, it's a complex interplay. The legislative process involves multiple stakeholders, including public interest groups, industry experts, and the general public, which can counterbalance corporate interests. In conclusion, while your comment raises valid points about the motivations of businesses in seeking regulation, it's important to consider the broader context. Regulatory frameworks serve not only to define legal boundaries but also to protect consumers, promote fair competition, and ensure ethical practices. The relationship between businesses, regulation, and legislators is multifaceted and subject to various influences and checks and balances.

@kreek22

6 ай бұрын

Another reason: regulatory capture can enable the crafting of laws that limit competition, especially from upstarts.

I've been following Jaron just to hear his thoughts on social media and AI. He was always spot on and provides great insight into the problems with them.

Excellent talk! Tanks so much!

Jaron as always on peak form. Love everything this guy says. But I really have to call out the presenters, they couldn't have been better at engaging with him!

Jaron's got the quirkiest mannerisms lol

Bloomberg did amazing with this interview

I have *Great Respect* for Jaron Lanier ... As a pioneer of augmented and virtual reality filmmaking, Jaron was the OG.

I absolutely adore this man.

Immortality of monism through the the perspective of computing experts.

Thanks for the open and honest expressions.

Brillant Interviewers - brilliant interviewee ❤👏🏻

at time 17:23 providence is NOT the only way to detect fakes, also common sense, and face checking! (which Jason seems to have little of) but in paintings and other things maybe the hardest and ultimate way to check

What a wonderful, knowledgeable and pleasant person. Loved the interview

Excellent - many thanks

Jaron has way too much faith in politicians not infringing upon civil liberties. But he is a gem. Always respect his unique perspective and humor.

@Leftistattheparty

6 ай бұрын

I would argue that corporations infringe civil liberties WAY more than governments do.

@SunIsSunnySunnyIsSunny

5 ай бұрын

​@@LeftistatthepartyIt's a joint enterprise. Companies bribe or threaten govs and govs are permissive toward corporations due monetary incentives.

@johnb6692

5 ай бұрын

Computer people have always had a blindspot when it comes to politics. They tend to be easily manipulated

@JH-jx1hs

5 ай бұрын

"politicians not infringing upon civil liberties" is an oxymoron. Concur with your assessment, but that is a vast understatement.

@Nutmegsyourman

5 ай бұрын

He's up to his bulging eyeballs in banking mafia blood money.

11:35 I agree with that actually, what the AI should be 'doing' IS the referencing. a) for attribution. b) to connect information.

Such a cool guy. We need more !

Excellent discussions

Great Video/ Interview. Jaron is a wise man! 👌🏻

His point about paying for things is really important!

Love listening to him speak. Fantastic.

Jaron is a one of a kind brilliant human.

I had dinner with Lanier back in 1986. He was the Godfather of VR. Crazy night.

Really liked the last question.

Who would have thought you would hear Gang-slang such as 'O.G' on Bloomberg? 😂

Totally agree with the paying people to enhance AIs. Think about what happens if we don't... All content is created by AI, all AI is trained by content, and eventually there's literally nothing new... at all. If AI isn't going to start inventing new ideas, then we have to keep feeding it our creativity.

He’s like a real life wizard …

the nicest gentleman in the cybernet

2:06 What a great f****** question! Can’t wait to hear his answer! 💪✊🔥

What a brilliant mind!

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🧐 *Jaron Lanier fue pionero en la realidad virtual en los años 80 y ha sido crítico de la industria tecnológica que ayudó a construir.* 01:42 🦑 *Lanier es el "prime unifying scientist" en Microsoft, un título humorístico que combina "octopus" debido a su trabajo diverso.* 03:41 🤳 *Lanier es optimista pero cree que la crítica es esencial para la optimización y se ha mantenido crítico de la industria tecnológica.* 04:18 💬 *Lanier aboga por que los usuarios paguen por la calidad de la IA en lugar de depender de la publicidad que puede manipularlos.* 06:11 📂 *Lanier argumenta que el enfoque de código abierto en IA no conduce a la descentralización, sino a la hipercentralización de empresas.* 08:00 🕵️‍♂️ *La providencia de datos es crucial para combatir deepfakes y el fraude en la IA, permitiendo rastrear la fuente de los datos utilizados en las salidas de la IA.* 11:25 💰 *Lanier propone la idea de "data dignity" donde los usuarios que contribuyen con datos deberían ser compensados por su uso en el entrenamiento de algoritmos.* 16:20 🧙‍♂️ *Lanier menciona que él y sus amigos crearon los primeros deepfakes en los años 90, y aboga por la providencia de datos como solución para enfrentar deepfakes.* 19:09 🤝 *Lanier cree que la relación entre líderes tecnológicos y legisladores puede ser demasiado cercana, lo que podría afectar la regulación necesaria para la industria.* 21:39 💼 *Lanier aboga por un mayor compromiso de las empresas tecnológicas en el diálogo público y considera que más libertad de expresión sería beneficiosa para ellas.* 22:22 🤔 *Lanier no tiene una línea clara de cuando dejaría su participación en la industria tecnológica, ya que considera que depende de las circunstancias y los trade-offs en el momento.

Well said! ❤

Jaron is a hidden gem 💎

great video!

This dude is quite insightful on a variety of topics