Im worried that zangief is doomed to repeat the same trajectory as sf5. Starting off super weak, getting buffed and then having japan say hes far too strong and then spending the rest of the games lifecycle slowly getting nerfed to irrelevance

@johngleeman8347

3 күн бұрын

I give it 5:1 odds of happening.

@uncoomf3279

3 күн бұрын

They already reverted the standing medium kick buff when they added Bison. It's gonna happen

@hihihihihi7889

3 күн бұрын

Deserved and based nerfs

@cosmic5665

3 күн бұрын

​@@hihihihihi7889only the most cringe scrub would say this, fish emoji this kid

@hihihihihi7889

3 күн бұрын

​@@cosmic5665I'm sure all the pro japanese players that share my opinion pale in comparison to you

I didn't know Sako dropped chun for akuma, just fell to my knees in the streets

@azizkash286

3 күн бұрын

no one wants to play chun any more, that nerf last patch was overkill and chun did not deserve nerfs she was not that dominant. Meanwhile ken didnt get any nerfs

@DisastrousCake

3 күн бұрын

As a luke fan, seeing every single luke player drop him for akuma has been sad. Noah still got us though.

@superforehead2298

2 күн бұрын

@@azizkash286heartbreaking shit

@Shiratto

2 күн бұрын

​@DisastrousCake And as a Marisa main I've been feeling the pain as well

@bigjc5546

Күн бұрын

@@DisastrousCakedj main here, im glad the tier whores are gone but im sad the cooler combos are gone too like the optimal lvl 1 combo in the corner.

Sajam’s not even commentating at Topanga he must’ve retired

@Memanruler

3 күн бұрын

Bro's not even speaking Mandarin, fallen off smh

@elfpi55-bigB0O85

3 күн бұрын

that shit had me DYING omfg and sajam just meekly going "I commentated CEO last week..." 😂😂😂

As a Zangief enjoyer, this has been an emotional roller coaster.

Zangrief

@arthuralbuquerque8824

3 күн бұрын

Potemkin

@snowoncedars8215

3 күн бұрын

Woetemkin

Note: Hibiki did not even attempt to stock wind once against Torimeshi in the first game.

1:11:13 if someone did this to me id crumble into dust before they could finish their combo

Dhalsim is “just one of those rounds” characterized

I hope this zangief player wins EVO

@ShjadeNexayre

3 күн бұрын

Kobayan v Snake Eyez grand finals Gief mirror

@GodlikeJCMS

3 күн бұрын

Fuck im going to evo for the first time as a gief main and that would be insane if a gief won. I'm not sure if snake is going to evo tho, but I def think Kobayan and itabashi are showing up

@firstsecond3624

3 күн бұрын

@@ShjadeNexayre lets go!

japanese players love to complain when any character doesn’t play and defend exactly the same

@TheGreektrojan

3 күн бұрын

Pretty much why they continued to rank JP SSS++++ tier is S1 despite his lagging tournament performances.

1:19:47 There is something so life-affirming about listening to Sajam chuckle and eat while Torimeshi guesses for his absolute fucking life in a tournament. Aw dangit!

Glad to see more of these!

That Gachikun punish tho 1:10:53

@bug-deal

2 күн бұрын

rewatched this like 5 times when i first saw it

@bigjc5546

Күн бұрын

And the double shimmy afterwards

Take a shot every time Sajam says Demonic

@MusicoftheDamned

3 күн бұрын

I have to wonder how soon the alcohol poisoning would kick in given the Dhalsim vs. Cammy match alone.

Nice to see a Dhalsim, a Lily, a Rashid, a Zangief, and generally a bunch of strong players on non-Shotos even if the amount of Akuma right now makes sense.

@iligyf

2 күн бұрын

Weird right, Dhalsim/Lily are mediocre characters..

@MusicoftheDamned

2 күн бұрын

​@@iligyf​​ Arguably speaks to how overall good balance in the game is right now even with two DLC characters who are on the stronger side just being released, but either way, yeah, weird. Thankfully in a pleasantly surprising way, but still weird (like how KZread initially posted this reply underneath a completely different comment).

that gachikun combo on tokido was insane

thank you for the watchalong i really love topanga league coverage bc i dont speak japanese and they play so different!!

love these watchalong videos - learning so damn much

Torimeshi's use of Air Fireball to space/delay his falling Heavy Punch is amazing.

So many young players in the game, good to see.

1:10:50 I've never seen Tokido styled on that hard before, what a round

Big fan of these topanga reviews

japan and their hateboner for grapplers makes me sad, hope some day we'll see characters like alex again

@cosmic5665

3 күн бұрын

It legit makes me upset and i literally have no idea why anyone would hate gief lol

@zackguzman6531

3 күн бұрын

bc they’re bad and/or inexperienced

@MusicoftheDamned

3 күн бұрын

This reminds me how funny it feels that Orochi Yashiro is one of the better characters in _KOF XIV_ despite this. So sometimes it just feels like it's just Gief they hate.

@hihihihihi7889

3 күн бұрын

​@zackguzman6531 that's such a horrible take. So all the great japanese players hate grapplers because they're bad? I hate gief because of how I have to play against him. So many turtle and it's just annoying. I main aki and have a great matchup its just boring. I honestly enjoy playing against the other grapplers in this game because they do more than just turtle.

@GodsDissapointment

3 күн бұрын

​@@hihihihihi7889what you call turtling is the gief not giving you free hits since most of the time gief has to be the one engaging. If you're engaging the gief you're digging you own grave don't get mad because you suck. That's like getting mad at Jo fir zoning when you back yourself into the corner the entire round. L take

I love that gief is finally legit. I love him and love playing him, grapplers 4 lyfe.

@lt_johnmcclane

3 күн бұрын

We better enjoy it while it lasts

@dodang_9147

3 күн бұрын

@@lt_johnmcclane zangief will 100% get nerfed. hopefully Akuma also get nerfed. As Sajam said, the big slow archetype grappler is usually not suppose to be very good in neutral because the whole idea of a slower grappler is to have bad neutral but when he hits a grab, it does big damage. Currently, Zangief neutral is way too good for his archetype. Akuma is also same thing. Akuma is suppose to be glass cannon shouto where the neutral buttons as not as good regular Shato's but when he confirms a combo, he is suppose to higher damage then regular shoto's. If Zangief is slow grappler, then Akuma is something like the "Slow heavy hitting Shoto". currently these weaknesses that are suppose exist don't exist which is why Zangief and Akuma end up being far beyond all other characters when played correctly.

@Altares_V

3 күн бұрын

@@dodang_9147 to be fair though Akuma has been wildly different in viability and even playability across every game he's in. There is no distinct formula for Akuma's buttons other than he hits you hard but he dies faster from your hard hitting buttons as well.

@TheShotgunShovel

3 күн бұрын

Legit? Not quite. Functional? In terms of season 1, yes.

@dodang_9147

3 күн бұрын

@@Altares_V he's just a shouto that hits hard. It is just that normally when you hit hard, your frame data start-up is slower. His is not. that is where imbalance is. His health doesn't balance the fact that his moves are more damaging and how many combo-routes he has with the amount of openers possible. I think it is fine to deal more damage but your opener moves(neutral buttons) should be worse/slower as a result of the damage. This makes character harder to access damage resulting in higher skill-floor to maximize his kit. This is absent in Akuma's kit. Zangief shares same problem now as grappler. They do have character that have high speed and high damage. for example Jamie and Manon have high damage and high speed. their trade off is that while they are perfect character.... or rather they're suppose idealize most powerful character in the game, they have drawback in term of time to access their abilities. You don't start on 5 medals as Manon right at the start and Jamie doesn't have 4 drinks at the start. that is how they balance "perfect characters". Akuma is like Jamie without drink factor. Zangief is like Manon without metal factor. that is why they're too strong.

Its really refreshing seeing a strong Zangief player, they are so rare. Idk about the Akumas few use the entire moveset, some are even glued to the ground.

Gief: *Becomes a functioning character, he's actually strong now and isn't fully bugged out* Japan: "Oh boy, time to hit him with the nerf hammer!"

@SyRose901

Күн бұрын

The crazy thing is that even after like a dozen nerfs, they STILL would be asking for more if someone like Itabashi is still doing very well.

I love how Shuto and Hibiki have exactly the same MR and are rank 22.

The want to nerf geif has always been so confusing to me. You gotta play diffrent against him, and that's hype. I personally think grapplers, and especially Geif, are among the sickest to watch just because how diffrent they can be.

@ellachino4799

6 сағат бұрын

Fr I like the playstyle diversity

Hibiki is so crazy man, I feel like more then most, he really makes his character look like the best in the game which is wild

Hibiki's reactions are what is really OP. His ability to confirm situations in general is absurd.

Dem loyal fans. They sure be loyal!

Old Man Reactions (Respectfully)

It's rather wholesome to still see Sakonoto do well for me.

Gachikun is my japanese GOAT after that round bro that was mad funny

Tokido has the face of a famous actor

I also have old man-reactions (complimentary)

Kobayan kinda look like zangief

@garlanramadhan4291

3 күн бұрын

Kobayan looks like gigachad, ngl.

Zangief is definitely a character now (likely top 10) and knee and headbutt is pretty much what got him there but damn does it suck ass to fight Lily, JP, Dhalsim, AKI, Chun, and Ed. Everyone else it's slight advantages and disadvantages except Juri, Honda, and Cammy where you can feel how good Zangief bullies these characters

@carrytheflag225

3 күн бұрын

Nah bro top 10? with no defense? I refuse to believe that. He's just not an ass character now.

@asterhogan1

3 күн бұрын

@@carrytheflag225 I get it BUT a gief that knows what he’s doing is dumb scary, I main him and I know what I’m doing wrong when I play him. 50/50s to top players are true 50/50s and when the vocal majority at tournaments see gief they don’t want to blame a combo that takes “advanced skill” from a shoto. An SPD from a grappler is so easy to blame for being brainless because one move does a BnB worth of damage. I don’t like it but grapplers are just too easy to blame for what they do.

@910suck

3 күн бұрын

LiKelY a ToP tEn

@marlinmurrell620

2 күн бұрын

​@asterhogan1 Gief is definitely not top 10. (I also main Gief.) I personally think he's smack dab in the middle. He has a lot of good stuff, but when he gets ran over, it hurts really bad.

@asterhogan1

2 күн бұрын

@@marlinmurrell620 top 10 in a 23 character roster when top 15 can also be there makes gief a little harder to contest as top 10 BUT he just has kinda even matchups with tournament characters and top players have never had to deal with a decently tooled gief since SF5 season 2 and vanilla SF4 so I already see the writing on the wall that they’re gonna nerf him since Japan is the most vocal about grapplers

Lily *IS* cheap. You can mark my words, Lily will continue to have a small playerbase and continue to receive buffs and become a demon like Zangief. Probably not too far off from now.

@epsilontheadvent477

Күн бұрын

I definitely think she's slept on, but cheap? I don't know about that one

GachiCAN'T DO HIM LIKE THAT

Tournament picks are very telling where the character gets placed in the tier list. Torimeshi tried everything with a weak Dhalsim pick but in the end nearly lost to basic Cammy playstyle.

1:11:13 "im not here.... i said im not here bruh"🔥👀🔥👀🔥👀🔥👀🔥👀🔥👀

If I got hit with that disrespectful ass double shimmy that Gachikun hit on Tokido, I'd be throwing hands.

1:11:00 the double shimme

1:21:38 The sacred Skadoosh tree! XD

I don't think I've ever watched an SF6 stream where everyone and their moms had 2000+ MR before today. Japan just built different.

Rashid kinda cheap with the tornado spam, but Kobayan (the Zangief player) is awesome at neutral, punished almost any mistake of Rashid.

Akuma players saying that gief is strong for this matchup keeps getting in instead of playing the fireball game

1:45:26 does anyone know how to do the dragon lash combo that tokido is doing, ive tried it but dragon lash is only +1 or 3(light and medium) so how does he combo in crouch light punch? thank you

@violetblight69

3 күн бұрын

if dragon lash hits someone crouching, ken gets an extra frame of advantage on hit or block; this lets you combo DR heavy punch into medium lash and continue

@1TheMIU

3 күн бұрын

@violetblight69 I just tried that now and it work. thank you sm . I just couldn't figure it out lol

FIGHT BACK SAKO... PLEASE

Testing

I feel like talking about any characters strengths and weaknesses or even trying to have an open discussion just gets really emotional in this game and pro player opinions get thrown around like gospel. You'll instantly be accused of downplay/up play. I'm glad you talk about it cause I don't think I have the mental stamina for it nor do I have the same multifaceted understanding of the characters

@TenjinZekken

2 күн бұрын

The key is to stop engaging once people start getting emotional. Mature adults who can have a discussion without getting emotional about the discussion are the only times it's actually worth having a discussion, since it just starts going in circles, so you can simply just say agree to disagree and move on. As long as you're not invested in being right, conversations are alot less taxing to have, and also easier to leave.

Zangief isn't my main, but I've put a good amount of time in and don't think he's OP at all. If you've played him, you know how hard it can be sometimes to get in. Someone who knows Zangief will be jumping away constantly on you. I like fighting against him too, its a different kind of fight and its refreshing compared to all the Bisons and Akumas. Let him be competitive. I don't think he's S tier, but definitely around A now, which is great. If most characters are around A that's excellent balance.

I think whatever they did for Zangief is perfect. If Ken, JP wnd Luke can enjoy being OP for the whole season, we should leave Zangief alone for now

I love watching geif, hate playing against him.

Gachikun is the goat and no one can tell me different. I nv seen someone get hit w the double shim sham. On TOKIDO of all ppl

I hear the commentators using English words like "drive gauge" or English names of specific moves and I think - weren't these mechanics originally designed in Japan?

I dont understand the problem with Zangief everyone is having (I am a JP player)

I can't tell if it's because the only Kens I see play are Japanese, but that Costume 3 is no longer weird and jarring to me.

Shuto dropped Marisa aswell ? ahh that's a bummer who's even left ? Strider ?

@azizkash286

3 күн бұрын

strider dropped marsia for bison

There's something about him that they don't even like, there's something about him that makes them want to fight. Hate is a very strong word, but he is getting on their nerves. They can't even use their jabs!

@belllhanger

3 күн бұрын

He's just so used to grabbing. Dudes not even fast, but he's definitely a cheetah.

Any and all knowledge of Streets I gained from this vod has been undone by the knowledge of sponsored call-outs. Sajam has done it again, he’s made me dumber with knowledge

1:46:55 Brother wtf are you talking about 😭 playing a mid tier isn’t some virtuous struggle for players to go through it’s a choice you make based on how much you like/believe in/can perform as a character vs how important winning is to you. If you’d rather be broke that’s fine I guess? But for literally 1,000,000 dollars is playing a strong character really that horrible?

Torimeshi dhalsim lost to zangief but beat cammy wtf

The matches are great but the "adjustements" on the players' photos are hideous. What in the Photoshop's Hell is that !?

Test

Is it just me, or does Akuma seem very bad against Zangeif

Hikaru aka Aki ends up 1st in that bracket and that Gief is 2nd.

I'd be shocked if Zangief isn't nerfed into worst or near worst in the game, ala SF5.

I prefer to watch Tekken, because hits fell more meaty.

People have Akuma S-Tier but I say he is to inconsistent in a stack tournament.

If they get zangief nerfed more than bison I'm gonna flip! I was him nuked! 😁

@cosmic5665

3 күн бұрын

"😁" 🤮

@twelvevoltage

3 күн бұрын

​@@cosmic5665"this guy used an emoji to convey an emotion, that is vile, better share my thought with an emoji" brainrot

Do they still think he's top 1? .......... I'm amazed how an entire region can be wrong about a character who they wrote off in the beginning, and is now getting wrecked because no one bothered to "learn the matchup".