As an 84 year old and having owned a 350 cc Matchless for a few years when I was 20, your superb review on your Janus Halcyon 450 got me all excited to return to riding a motorcycle again, commonsense will of course prevail, but congratulations on your very professional video and presentation. I really do envy your driveway mountain view, we are so flat here in East Anglia. Regards John from Cambridge, England.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@bentleyt11 Thank you for the visit and kind comment.

You really shouldn't be apologizing to Janus for things you find lacking on their motorcycle. You gave them mega top dollar for a 450cc motorcycle and they certainly are more beholding to you then you should be to them. Without people like you buying their bikes they cease to exist. Janus, here's a guy that is letting you know how to improve your motorcycle and operation so pay attention or go out of business.

@chadkline4268

7 ай бұрын

It's not really top dollar. It's paying for what you get. This isn't a mass production vehicle. That alone is going to at least double costs.

@chadkline4268

7 ай бұрын

@@isaiahmotoryder7326 hehe, well, I'll ditto my comment here too to match yours. People are so harsh 😁 at least, consider that it's not easy to just make motorcycles in your garage. Nobody just wakes up one day and builds a perfect motorcycle that makes everyone happy. Even a modern bike is in a stage of development. It is what it is, and probably better than similar models that you could buy in 1929, just due to advanced machining and materials. It's not appropriate to measure it against a BMW GS 😆 I think it is great for younger or older people that just want to learn or appreciate early engineering and want to experience life as it was when these were the standard. I certainly wouldn't be upset as a teen if I got one as a gift. It would be a valuable opportunity to learn and enjoy the early days of motorcycling and mechanical engineering. It's definitely not a rip off. They are a lot of work to design and build.

@werepat

5 ай бұрын

@@chadkline4268 dude, this is totally top dollar for a bike that is Mostly made in China and then by the friggin' Amish! What do the Amish know about motorcycles! Janus sells at least 250 bikes a year but they are using modern tools to make the simplest gas tanks and using what I'd bet are just slightly modified trailer fenders. Everything else is Chinese. I wouldn't be surprised to see a dumpster full of Venom Motorcycles tanks and fenders! These bikes get surprisingly similar ride reviews to every other Chinese 250 out there. The paint is not worth the extra $5,000+.

@chadkline4268

5 ай бұрын

@@werepat how many motorcycles have a chrome moly frame? How much can you build one for?

@werepat

5 ай бұрын

@@chadkline4268 every steel-framed motorcycle uses "chrome-moly" and what does my ability to roll dough have to do with Domino's Pizza?

Excellent review thank you. Those videos of you riding on perfectly paved curvy roads, incredible sunsets, and NO traffic. I hope that’s what’s waiting for me in heaven!

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@JonathanODonnellSays Thank you very much for the visit and kind comments.

Very comprehensive review. Thank you. It is a beautiful bike. And the rack you designed goes perfectly with the lines of the bike. Well done!

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@Wachuko-1 Thanks very much for the kind comments!

I found your review the most comprehensive one on the 450 out there. Thank you!😊

This bike looks like it just fits your life. Congrats

Great timing just found Janus and looking into like you just want something different old school look glad I found you great info Thank you Sir.

Thanks for sharing. Great looking motorcycle - I love that shot into your frontyard with the mountains in the background. I'm very eager to get a Janus motorcycle one day into Europe, both the Gryffin 250 and Halcyon 450. They are unique, built by passionate people. Even the small cc on Gryffin will not dissapoint for those nice weekend cruises.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@dzikieswinie Thanks for the visit and kind comments. I'm not sure what plans Janus has for Europe and the new emissions standards there. Hopefully something is in the works that would allow our European friends the opportunity to own these unique bikes.

NICE job! Keep'em coming...

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@darrellkinkade9205 Thank you for the visit and kind comment. It's always a fine balance between spending time riding and spending time editing videos. One is definitely more fun than the other. 😂

Greetings from NYC ,that is one very good looking bike ,I watch your vids just for the backgrounds of nature also .What a beautiful area you live in ....

@AZGeek520

4 ай бұрын

@user-gx6uu7tg4n Thanks for the visit and kind comment.

Very thorough, excellent video. This has helped me to decide to move ahead with getting one, just a bit apprehensive since I'm in Hawaii. The road bike I learned on (I am 61) was a 1955 BMW R50, 6v. I have had other bikes, including a GSXR-750 that I did 150+. It was like being in a video game since I had on so much gear, I probably enjoyed going down a steep hill on my 10 speed more when I was a boy. I want to get back to that, and this bike is so beautiful. The only better-looking bike would be a very old Indian Scout.

@AZGeek520

6 ай бұрын

@tdtess Thanks for the visit and kind comments. Congrats on the decision to purchase. I just became a member of the Janus Referral Program, so send me your address and I can send you out some referral info and a card for $500 off the purchase of a bike. I don't get any kickback from this program unless I decide to purchase another Janus at some point. In the meantime, just happy to help others get into Janus and experience the joy of riding those bikes.

great review many thanks

Great review. I think you covered it as well as anyone.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@daveswanson6066 Thanks very much for the visit and comment. 👍

Agree on the kickstart for sure!

Well done review. These are very interesting bikes. I like the auctioneer tachometer. It fits the period. Especially if you have ridden vintage motorcycles.😁

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@azdesertdog Thanks for the visit and comment. Yes, the tach is a bit annoying but not so much that it keeps me from riding. I know Janus will get things right.

This was so informative! Thanks!

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@harrisonmoenich2753 Thank you for the visit and kind comment.

I really like this review. The agenda topics presented initially, including some bio on yourself, etc. Setting the framework helps us gauge alignment. I agree with almost all your points. I liked your iPhone comparison: designed in the USA, built in China - and in fact, the Janus Halcyon 450 is constructed here in the USA with a (Chinese-built) Italian-designed motor as you indicated. Everything else is sourced/designed/built here = way more "American" than an iPhone or just about any PC, laptop, or mobile device upon which many critics type their opinions.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@Gilgamesh347. Thank you for the visit and kind comments.

very nice video, thank you.

Great in-depth review thnx

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@davemeshamsr6000 Thanks very much for the visit and kind comment.

I had never heard of this bike. I think it's stunning. I love the long, flat tank, the saddle, the large rear rack and the side bag[s] looks really good, suits the bike. I will watch the rest of this tomorrow. I am in Thailand.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@user-swlv3zp60 Thanks for the visit and leaving a comment. Yes, the design and styling of this motorcycle is what drew me to Janus.

@user-sw2lv3zp6o

9 ай бұрын

@@AZGeek520 I'll comment a bit more tomorrow. Off to bed soon. It's after nine p.m. here. Wonderful chatting across the world, isn't it.

@user-sw2lv3zp6o

9 ай бұрын

@@AZGeek520 Half past wight in the morning in Chiang Rai. Overall, the Janus seems a really satisfying bike to ride. Do you think it would benefit from 100cc more?

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@@user-sw2lv3zp6o Not really. 450cc provides enough power on this lightweight bike in my opinion. Not design to be a speed racer but more of a back road cruiser, and it does that very well.

@user-sw2lv3zp6o

9 ай бұрын

@@AZGeek520 When I was young, I toured Europe extensively on a Yamaha XT500E. It was big enough.

Great Video new friend, Love your bike. I have been riding now for over 50 years. Big thumbs up + new subscriber. Cheers from Wild Western Australia

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@iSpike Thank you for the visit and kind comment. Riding in Australia is on my bucket list. Beautiful country.

Your cargo rack looks absolutely AMAZING, you could seriously sell those for other 450 owners, hope Janus sees your video and considers adding a version with a style like yours as an alternate option. I can only wonder if there are engineering/functional reasons for their design (I'm guessing comfort for passengers riding pillion? since the 450 has that unique Vincent-style rear suspension), but I agree their original 250s design better accentuates the bike's overall form. Really love the look of your bike and all the mods you put on it (that motocult tail light is hilariously awesome), great video and subbed.

@AZGeek520

Ай бұрын

@RedZeshinX Thank you for the very kind comments. MotoCult makes a rear rack that bolts on to the 450. If they had offered that sooner then I don’t think I would have fabbed my own. But I am glad that I did because it just adds to the character of my bike. Thanks for subbing and let me know if there is something specific you’d like to see.

Great video thankyou

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@franciscarabini7660 Thank you for the visit and kind comment.

Thank You Sir for Your deep opinion! In fact, I envy you the silence that prevails around You :) When it comes to the kick starter, please remember that it is always an additional hole to be sealed in the engine and there is a risk of leakage. Moreover, a motorcycle with a sidecar is easy to start with the kick starter, but not always a solo motorcycle. Thank You!

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@tomlibero3780 Thanks for the comment and that perspective. Much appreciated.

That was a really great review, and I think everything I should need to know about that model of Janus bike, well explained and with some beautiful and interesting scenery too. Thank you.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@Quackalott Thanks for the visit and kind comment. happy to answer any questions you may have.

Thoroughly enjoyed your comprehensive review! Having owned BMW, Guzzi and Ural, along with wanting to own a Janus, I think we have similar tastes in Motorcycles. Unfortunately for myself, the result of an injury and 6 subsequent surgeries have limited my ability to bend my right knee far enough to ride anything with mid controls or transverse V or opposed cylinders. I am also 6'3" tall and weigh 250 lbs so I'm pretty confidant a Janus would probably be bit cramped for me even if I were able to bend my knee far enough so I will just continue to chug along on Road King I guess. As time allows, I'll be making it a point to watch the rest of your vids. Thanks for taking the time and effort to make and share them.

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@hokaheyrider059 Thank you for the visit and kind comments.Yes, it sound like you and I have owned a lot of the same makes. Sorry to hear about the knee -- that certainly limits what you can be comfortable on. As you have guessed,I don't think the Halcyon would work for you because it would be a small bike for your frame. As long as you can still get out and ride, that's all that matters, right?

A fair assessment from someone who has put in the miles to give an objective appraisal of a worthy machine. Janus Halcyon 450 is my dream bike. So be it.

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@robertkeating5887 Thank you for the visit and kind comment. While not my most ridden bike, I still enjoy being out on it and having it in my "collection" of uncommon motorcycles.

I too like the looks of the Janus bikes. Have own 4 bikes in the past which I totally enjoyed riding both commuting and please. Your commentary on the Janice bikes and the company excited me about looking more to their product line and maybe someday when I slow down from my passion sport of in-line speed skating at 81 I really may consider buying one...., thanks for your input in your video and I subscribe to your channel R

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@ROOOger130mm In-line speed skating? at 81?? Well done, sir. And thank you for subscribing. Let me know if there is something specific you would like to see along the lines of my normal fare.

For the cost of a small bike like that, you should not have any kind of problems. Especially with quality.

@harrylor66

4 ай бұрын

The high price of the JANUS motorcycles are often criticized, but for the money you often don't even get a good watch.😉

I am addicted to the idea of having one of these. I've never had to finance a vehicle before but that would be the only way I could get one

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@VGLounge Thanks for the visit. I've financed a few bikes and, while I don't really like the idea of paying interest, I do like being able to get new bikes that I otherwise cannot afford to pay out a lump sum of cash.

Thanks for the video. I'm motivated to sell my Triumph 800 XC to help pay for a 450 Gryphon. This was helpful in finding out whether or not the bike is really something I want to invest in. If you mentioned the weight, I missed it...but that's a huge factor for me as a 160 lb 68 year old. I'm happy with my Vespa 300 at about the same weight, so this seems like a nice addition to my collection with similar "rideability".

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@alanrgould Thanks for the visit and kind comment. I don't think I did mention the specific weight, which is 345 lbs (dry), according to the Janus web site. Given the small fuel tank and modest oil capacity, I think the wet weight is closer to 360 lbs. It feels much lighter than than when moving around the garage and being out on the road.

I have the Halcyon 250. It's incredibly slow and under-powered. Getting up to 50mph on a flat road is nearly impossible. It needs constant maintenance and repair. It looks good, gets a lot of compliments, and is easy to handle. But I don't recommend it unless you are too old to ride anything bigger, have deep pockets, and have the time and experience to work on it.

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@forrestbedford5603 Thanks for the visit and comment. The Halcyon 250 is what drew me to Janus but I never really considered buying one, primarily because of the small displacement and hard tail rear "suspension". It wasn't too long after I started looking at Janus that they came out with the 450. Very happy with the bike and its minor quirks. I bought it for the styling / looks and it continues to deliver that in spades.

To travelingfrog I was wondering if I could use a conduit through the Fuel tank and column, what would you recommend I do for a small cable for accessories. Is a 1/2 " ? Thanks for your attitude on bikes.

For me a center stand is a must. I only use a side stand if when the ground won't accept a center stand. Also, for me anything that is mounted on a bike for a purpose will still look correct. For me if it works right then it looks right.

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@KO-pk7df Thank you for the visit and comment. It would be great if Janus had a period-correct center stand for this bike. And a kick starter.

Concerning tube to tubeless conversion I did this on my 99 bmw dual sport. I cleaned all nipples with acetone then once dry applied locktite 290(wicking) Problem Solved!! I checked in water bath @ running pressure.... no bubbles.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@mikelastpass689 Thanks. Did you go with a specific kit / system or DIY? I've go zero concerns about doing the conversion and believe that's the way to go for worry-free riding around goatheads. 😉

Oh, I like this. It looks properly designed. So often modern/old productions don't work because the originals were handmade and the replicas are of the 'as close as we can get with the machines we have' type. However, I do have a tiny bone to pick. I should state this is purely from an aesthetic point of view. It's the springs under the saddle, they seem to be, well, plain, as such that they stand out or do for me. This is not a criticism it's just what happens when everything else is so cool (there I've said it). Take a look at the Brooks B33 bicycle saddle a version of it's rear springs would really work here. Yesterday I had a delivery, the courier took the wrong right turn (cheap satnav) and couldn't find my door number. He had to call me to check where I was. I immediately understood what had happened, it's not the first time, then went around the corner and found him. I reminded the chap I'd had left advice on my order for the courier to take the first right turn onto my road, though he wasn't interested at this point. Not sure what made me think of that now.....

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@waynereid6103 Thanks for the visit and detailed comment. I looked at the Brooks B33 and the springs do look beefier. So far, the ones on the Janus Halcyon have worked well for me.

This bikes are so classic. I'm thinking real hard about the Gryffin.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@WR3ND - I agree. I like the styling of all their models.

I’d stick with the Ural. Yeah, the tranny is agricultural, but the build is waaaay better now than on my 2004 or its 2012 successor. Ride a Ural within its limits, keep up the maintenance, and oil changes and a Ural will give you tens of thousands of klicks of happiness. The fuel injected v2 models are really solid. Your 450 is gorgeous. To be honest, I’d probably go with a Royal Enfield Classic 350 for a fraction of the cost. The Janus is a rolling piece of art, so I can see why some folks buy them for the aesthetic joy.

If bullet/classic take sus back to 40s, this one takes us back to 1920s, what a great design , it cannot be more retro than this design, I like the straight gas tank, launch in India at 2.5 lakhs and this will sell like hot cakes.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@huntervlog-kx2eb I do want Janus to be successful but don't want the Halcyon 450 to become so popular that they are so common and lose that rareness of seeing these "in the wild".

I'm wondering if it is an air/ fuel issue. The remapping you mentioned seems to be the solution. Knowing the altitude you ride at may be the solution. Janus should be able to map it accordingly before delivery. Great Review 👍🏼

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@mikelastpass689 I don't know. EFI should handle elevation issues and I'm guessing that because this is more noticeable when the engine is cold that it has to have something to do with how that air/fuel mixture is delivered during that period. I'm confident that Janus will help me get it figured out. And thanks for the kind comment.

It would be a plus forJanus if they would design and build sidecars for their motorcycles. That would very much add a nostalgic appearance to these beautiful bikes.

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@anthonydouglascontares3471 I agree, but would have some concerns about the performance of the 450 with the added weight of the sidecar. I also have a 2019 Ural Gear Up - even with 750cc displacement the rig is really more of a farm implement than a motorcycle. Definitely not the quickest to get up to speed, and the top speed is not all that great. I'm thinking that a side car on the Halcyon 450 might make the performance on par (or maybe less?) than the 250. I understand that having a side car is not necessarily all about performance, and I do agree that it would be a very cool accessory to have on the Halcyon line.

I think these are gorgeous. I like the simple motorcycles. I own the Kawasaki Z650RS and other than ABS and small LCD display between the gauges that gives you some basic info it is really a very basic bike. The price point on Janus I feel is outrageous for what it actually is. I mean, I can purchase a Bonneville or speed twin for less which are comparatively very basic.

Where did you buy/wrap your handlebar grips? I have tried an aftermarket product or two and it looks pretty good but something higher quality would be great. Thanks!

@AZGeek520

Ай бұрын

@jscmdsrf1 Thanks for stopping by. I got these from BAAK Motorcycles in France. Pretty pricey but the quality is a-ok. Really thick leather stitched around a rubber grip, so all you do is swap the grips and that's all there is to it. Let me know what color you are looking for because I have a set that I ordered but they were too dark for the rest of the leather on my bike. www.baakmotocyclettes.com/en/parts/2543-leather-handlebar-grips

Very thoughtful and a welcome heads-up this H450 rider(JM175). Much of what was shown/said,matches my experience,so far. I think it may be a lot to ask but would it be possible to purchase a drawing of your luggage racks? Thanks very much for a detailed analysis of the H450.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@johnzimmerman3066 Thanks for the visit and kind comment. And congrats on the new bike. No, it's not possible to purchase a drawing of the luggage racks, but I can create a "drawing" with some measurements and give that to you. Do you want just the luggage rack, or the luggage/fuel container rack, or both?

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@johnzimmerman3066 I've taken the measurements and can send you those. You can reply with an email address or connect with me on Facebook and we can coordinate there. facebook.com/sam.rua1

I wish they would offer a larger front headlamp. Would look more period correct, and YES, it needs a kickstarter. I realize it would need much engineering to pull that off tho. Oh, also would rather have normal old school gauges instead of electronic ones, I've heard thats what they come with. I intend to buy one of these at some point tho, its on my wish list :) Nice review and suggestions

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@user-ji6if2nh4o That's a cool suggestion. I never really thought about the size of the headlamp but now see your point -- a lot of the bikes from this period had huge headlamps. Not bad looking. Thanks for the visit and kind comments.

Have you tried oiling the rev counter cable, that flickering is a classic sign of a lack of lubricant. Where you live is stunning, so jealous!

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@blackskunk54 Thanks for the visit and comment / suggestion. The tach is electronic so I don't think there s any cable to lubricate.

I was going back and forth with ordering one of these a few months back. I may look into it again. It’s such a gorgeous bike.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@emcsquared8681 I totally understand. I can say that I have no regrets in purchasing the bike.

I like. Never mind the off comments. Some people are born into perfection and will still find fault. You want perfection, look in the mirror.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@melvindenny8962 Thanks for the visit and insightful comment. Much appreciated.

Agree with you on the Janus luggage rack! It definitely detracts from the retro look of the bike. You made your own style rack, can you recommend an off the shelf rack like yours?

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@duigiud MotoCult makes a rack that is very close in design to mine. If they had come out with it a bit sooner I wouldn't have made my own and just bought theirs: motocultparts.com/products/janus-halcyon-450-rear-rack?variant=43125801746631

Have you had any luck resolving the flat spot around 4K RPM?

Enjoy the videos. Like you I have a Ural also. How does the pressure sensor work. I saw two readings on your Janus, is there three for Ural?

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@coreykoura9152 Cool. What year Ural? The pressure monitors work through the sensor that goes on the tire valve stem. Those measure pressure and temperature and send that data to the display unit. For my Ural, I have two display units and 4 sensors - one for each tire (including the spare tire).

@Split-Tongue

9 ай бұрын

2016 Dark Force. Also have a V7 racer in the collection. Thanks for the tire pressure information.

I appreciate your videos and the time you took in making them for us. I’m a rider who’s on his 8th motorcycle, (Harley Freewheeler trike), and I’m contemplating getting a 450. I’m rather short at 5 foot 9 with a short 29 inch inseam. Because of this I like motorcycles that I can sit “in” rather than sit “on”. I like bikes where the frame isn’t so tall that I have to stand on tippy toes to support the bike when stopped. Janus states that the seat height is 30 inches. How does your 450 fit you? Think I could support a 450 flat footed while stopped?

@AZGeek520

6 ай бұрын

@duigiud Thanks for the visit and kind comment. I have a 28" inseam and the 450 fits me like a glove. Easily flat foot both feet at stops and the riding position is very comfortable for me. I still think you will find that you are sitting "on" the Halcyon 450 vs. "in" because there really isn't a cockpit or fairing to nestle in/behind. That said, I've had my bike up to 90 and was still able to hang on to the grips 😂, although I wouldn't want to ride at that speed for much distance. I have a couple other "naked" bikes and am used to what it feels like to ride those at speed and wa surprised at how well the Halcyon 450 sliced through the air. Very comfortable to ride at 65 / 70 mph even though you are sitting up high on the bike. Hope this helps.

@duigiud

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the response! That really answers my concerns about the height of the bike and being able to support it “flat footed”. As to the “Cockpit” to nestle behind I saw a Janus video entitled “Jamie’s 450”, (or something like that), that featured a 450 where the owner “Jamie” had mounted a small wind screen on his 450. His bike was blue. The wind screen was small enough where it didn’t take away the Retro look of the bike but was still functional, (IMHO). I emailed Janus and they knew exactly what I was referring to and sent me the link to the company.

What are the engine parts availability like? For me specifically is head and piston

@AZGeek520

6 ай бұрын

@portblock Thanks for the visit. I do not know what the SWM engine parts availability would be and would ask the folks at Janus. Alternatively, I'd look here: evolutionbike.it/swmstore/?SID=5a3531d6d9d20eddf68945045528edf6

nice work. Very well done. Bravo.Im 77 Y. Old road two different H. D.s 2006 Road King and 2011 Elect. Glide. stopped about 5 years ago.Got a Tesla mod. 3. Then three years later a mod. Y. Enjoyed the new period with the T,s i wasn't riding . Now, i sold the T,s and only have a Ram 1500 P/up. Thinking and considering riding again. Id like to know what your 450 ended up price wise? I like the way you finished it out w/ your ideas and options. Im located in Loudoun Co. Va, about 20 miles from ground zero. thanks again. Regards,.. Bill

@AZGeek520

4 ай бұрын

@williamshotwell4763 Thank you for the visit and kind comments. Re: price, I believe my total price delivered with all the various options was $15,435. As far as riding again, I think the Halcyon 450 is a very easy and comfortable bike to ride. Very light weight and easy to move around the garage. It almost feels like riding a bicycle when out on the road - you may feel the same when comparing to your HDs. I am hoping to be able to ride this bike in my 80's if I am fortunate enough to be in good health by then.

Great video. I heard these bikes don't have a fuel gauge. I was thinking of getting the 250 but not sure if it's way under power from the 450.

@AZGeek520

4 ай бұрын

@rarebreed6703 Thanks for the visit and kind comment. Yes, you heard correctly that there is no fuel gauge on the Halcyon 450, and I think that is the case for all Janus models. The 450 does have a fuel level sensor that has a display light on the speedometer and that light starts to come on when there is about 0.5 gallons left in the tank in my experience with almost 4,000 miles on my bike. I haven’t been on a 250 so I don’t know how the 14 hp (0.0532 hp/lb ratio) compares to the 30 hp (0.0869 hp/lb ratio) on the 450.

nice video... Still would love to grab a 450 and go pick it up and ride it home

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@backhighwaybrian Thanks for the kind comment. I thought about doing a fly and ride to pick it up in Indiana but the thought of bringing home a brand new, bug-splattered bike had me reconsider. 😂

@backhighwaybrian

8 ай бұрын

@@AZGeek520 i get it.. but that would be the adventure for me personally! hope to see it one day!!

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@@backhighwaybrian Hey, if you're nice to me and we ever meet up in Tucson then I might let you ride mine so you get a better idea of what it's all about.

@backhighwaybrian

8 ай бұрын

@@AZGeek520 well I plan on visiting Tuscon in November so as long as the weather holds I will be around at some point before thanksgiving

The day that Janus comes out with an engine that produces 80 horse power I will not hesitate for a moment I'll get it the next day

@harrylor66

4 ай бұрын

Why are you waiting for this? INDIAN and HARLEY DAVIDSON have such genuine American machines.

Tubles tire’s & kickstart 😊

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@larryparson9609 Exactly. A kick start would be very cool on this bike, and I'd use it more than I do the kick start on my Ural.

@AZGeek520 Did you solve your tachometer problem ?

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@BicycleJoeTomasello Not just yet, but that's on me. Janus has been waiting for me to get them the serial number from the back of the tach to send out a replacement from a different lot,, but I've been too busy to mess with that. I will post a video once I get the replacement installed that works properly.

The hesitation is probably caused by the carburetor not atomizing the fuel as efficiently as when it’s warm. While it may be able to adjust it out. I feel like it’s a little bit of a trade off. I simplified design vs a computerized FI system that only a shop can mod.

@DustyRhodes218

2 ай бұрын

450 is fuel injected

450 #113 here. Great video! Comments- Paint- AGREE! Kickstand, terrible, had to replace already. Love the tailight idea, will use. No engine issues at this time. Loose suspension pieces caught in time and tank mountings replaced. Janus has been great. Centerstand is a must and I keep bugging Richard on podcasts to finish. But the suspension is why I bought the bike. Fast sweepers on a two lane are the best. Keep up the great videos, we love them, especially those who can't ride due to winter.

@AZGeek520

5 ай бұрын

@Sal834 Thanks for the visit and kind comment. Can you share a little more on what you did for the tank mountings? Did you have a problem with them?

@Sal834

5 ай бұрын

Sure. It is a known problem with the 450 tanks around production of my bike December 2022. The tank was put on and the rubber mounts were crushed down to tight when the bolts put in. Easy fix by simply replacing the mounts and installing correctly. Could not save the old mounts as they were deformed after this. Caused a lot of noise at certain rpm's with the bike vibrating. Note: I thought I failed to fix when noise came back but turned out front shock was loose. Fixed and then back to being quiet.

@AZGeek520

5 ай бұрын

@@Sal834 Thank you, sir. I'll check mine to make sure everything is as it should be.

@jeepmandan5334

5 ай бұрын

​@@Sal834Did the bad tank mounts cause a buzzing sound by chance? Also, for the loose shocks, was it just a loose mounting bolt?

@Sal834

5 ай бұрын

The tank was a vibration I could hear but only really became noticeable and loud above higher rpms. So yes buzzing but very loud at high rpm's and metal on metal. As far as the shock, it was the spring itself. What happened was the spring was spun out of center from its seat on the strut. It caused a loud metal on metal sound when I hit any imperfection in the road. I only noticed it after I started compressing the front suspension. I tightened the compression ring a little so it would not come out of place. I must of hit something hard. If it happens to you, look to see if spring is kinked and not straight up and down.

I'd like to know what happens if you hit a deep pothole 😊 or if it can jump a curb.

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@chadkline4268 I haven't hit a deep pothole (yet) but would not expect that to be a totally smooth result. The suspension is decent, but not on par with an ADV bike with longer suspension travel. As far as jumping curves, I have taken the bike off a curb and that was ok, but not have not tried to to go up over a curb. Definitely not the bike for that sort of riding, whether intentional or not. 😉

@chadkline4268

7 ай бұрын

@@isaiahmotoryder7326 people are so harsh 😁 at least, consider that it's not easy to just make motorcycles in your garage. Nobody just wakes up one day and builds a perfect motorcycle that makes everyone happy. Even a modern bike is in a stage of development. It is what it is, and probably better than similar models that you could buy in 1929, just due to advanced machining and materials. It's not appropriate to measure it against a BMW GS 😆 I think it is great for younger or older people that just want to learn or appreciate early engineering and want to experience life as it was when these were the standard. I certainly wouldn't be upset as a teen if I got one as a gift. It would be a valuable opportunity to learn and enjoy the early days of motorcycling and mechanical engineering. It's definitely not a rip off. They are a lot of work to design and build.

A CRF450RL engine would be amazing in the Halcyon.

@AZGeek520

6 ай бұрын

@Z17xMachine Yes, would pump out about 8 more ponies with a bit more torque. By far, the biggest negative complaint I get from comments on my first year review video is about the Chinese engine. And the CRF450 engine would address that. The second biggest complaint is the price of the bike, and I would expect that to be even higher if they source the Honda engine.😉

Have you thought about selling the rear rack? Both types the one that has the gas cans on either side and the 1 that you're showing in your video. That is a very retro look, it's very clean for the 450. Let me know if you Are gonna be selling those or not.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@darwinhayhurst7951 I don't think I will be selling because I am very much a hack when it comes to welding. I can provide some dimensions but am not comfortable fabbing these for others -- I'm just not that good. 😉

I completely agree that the Janus designed rear cargo rack is really ugly.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@madogblue I'm glad they didn't have that design on the 450 from the beginning because I might have passed on buying one.😯

I had 1 piece of junk very clunky and bad brakes sold it bought a Honda rally and life’s been good

It would be very easy to be cynical of the Janus range of motorcycles, mostly about the price and the capability compared to other motorcycles in the same price range .But everyone has their own ideas of what a motorcycle's priorities are and what they are going to use them for, otherwise it would be a very boring world .Janus has the advantage of the aesthetics of there range And in my oppinion this is there largest selling point and that is why people are prepared to pay a Premium price for one .

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@johnsshed995 The unique nature and styling of their bikes makes the rather steep price not an sticking point for me. Would I pay $20,000 for one, probably not.

I'm sio curious to see this. I know the Bezos Bikes use the 219cc Honda clone, so this is the bigger brother to that ? Supposedly a bulletproof motor. I love the look of Janus bikes because they make me want to explore America on two wheels. I am going to steal your argument of comparing Chinese motors to Apple iPhones, etc also made in China, designed in USA.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@michaelb.42112 Thanks very much for the visit and comments. More on the motor use in the Janus Halcyon 450 can be found here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/paml1NhmfMiXdZc.htmlsi=yHE7TXLsm2B0BHNk

@michaelb.42112

9 ай бұрын

Very cool, thanks !

Didnyou ever resolve the bouncung tach? I would thi k Janus would send you a new one?

@AZGeek520

2 ай бұрын

@madogblue Not yet, but that's on me for not having the time to get back to Janus. They sent a replacement but it has the same issue. I've been spending more time touring on my Moto Guzzi and haven't had much time to ride or tinker with the Halcyon 450.

@ 42:25 -to- 43:25 I do not like the tach squiggling so much.

When you say “hangers” do you mean saddlebags?

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@duigiud Sorry for the confusing description. By "hangers" I mean the support tube that the saddlebags attach to. Link to a pic that shows the rack welded onto those support tubes: facebook.com/photo?fbid=5958005517585626&set=basw.AbqlynU6kyBGM3Wq3oRlORbhr9xdsNJYRaPOXZ527rZlk_rHbu_nMKo7QLRf95L1k02GIVotITyzmKsZhzQ2s82J-igq8gXQ7kfjFSZ517BqQnjQ2Pq8jByRafS6bgMqXLD6XSSb9plCd1p_WZ_D6we3&opaqueCursor=Abq4xPOHHQ71uY0u5G7-dCRhqER-O6L1RnGRlrgSZ40zKZH9O_FNN0R4QHNr08uF53JUbfsHRxuT0RpyCfwnI_lAklVQLRJaVf_fwXnhgCRaTrATdNX8LwmEDPujx73T6xc3KnlrXwPInC9UUJKZkOaI-EtnLSg3KO1sYxRwqDu5nZLGMRNryz2kr_pOG_E8Jerb1fhoDQU1gr1jixM47AZ-ZPLovhJ1_0oFC8Qq4xVh3z1aKJ3W-IW4sHfi2NgUpIBmYpk_KgslHoG7NXU4QAG_clfg1mU2J2GdXRftoW3IM9oSOifKTSi9nmI_JmtgIrIDZkV0H2SZTI1xy6pPikXJuL6keYef_8I3N1MBdToWk1Q1gfM32Sv_JSeBAPoa92JEBOw0UTPeStY5wjuNbxwUBBTkHCtcTZnuX4VahGfCt7GSjwhC1DVSNr25DemNf05hZF7DF04Z9wg0amD4itzjPo2r4v4iWnr9VGkIP44Vzi04FOM9zggSZLMGrNS1YJ2I6P5isSe3pSHaeZqcSYpyl2N1eJQwt5TyXwengrgoxQ6LNk41Ohv50rsCazutfzc_0UTCfTMGiLxvQvVm7XjW_P2bAN3yXUG8HsfGk8P-RTZhXoPHEMO_JxhHdIcLTyKUQMUEupqiYAVAO7heUr2YoWFfcqoxjBqmy09RQoe3a400yRxrzwelaA842ya5yGQ

What’s an R9T ?

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@davemeshamsr6000 the BMW R nineT is a fantastic, 110 HP oil-cooled boxer twin. A really fun bike to ride. www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/heritage/rninetscrambler.html

Beautiful looking bike, but drum brakes would of looked much more fitting with the style.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@anythingoldmechanical Thanks for the visit and kind comment. I agree that drum brakes would look more vintage. But I am ok with the modern interpretation.

I don't think they could improve the looks of this motorcycle. I will seriously think about one in my stable.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@michaelmalloy3321 Thanks for the visit. If they could have fitted a vintage center stand and a kick-start then that's the only "improvements" I would make to the looks of the bike. And, for the 450, offer the basic rear luggage rack as on the 250.

I would love to have one, but there is a lot more bike to get for $15k. The bike doesn't look, or sound from the reviews to be worth more than $5k. If the price ever comes back to earth I will get one. I understand its a small shop, but not everyone in that small shop should expect to retire after selling a few bikes.

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@kennethsmt Thanks for the visit and comment. There is no arguing that these are expensive bikes, but I could not afford a Vincent or old Harley. And I wouldn't want the maintenance workload with a 80 year old bike / technology. The Halcyon 450 was a good compromise for me and I understand that not everyone is not going to want to shell out that kind of money for one.

I wondered what Y. Noob meant by "bicycle tires." He meant tubed. Floppy doppy fun, tube failure.

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@user-martinpd Thanks for the visit and comment. I've never been a fan of tubed tires because of the extra effort needed to do any on-road repair.

@richarddevaux6124

5 ай бұрын

I had a 2000 Indian Chief Millennium that was tubed tires. I put 65K miles on it and never had an issue with a flat. After the factory tires I ran Metzelers.

My pup in my Ural disagrees with your “greater attention”. Ha ha. I do like your Janus. If I could post a pic of my pup in my Ural you’d be distracted all day. Ha ha

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@michaelstevens9922 No doubt, pups with doggles in a side car are a hit. But, put your pup on the back of a Janus Halcyon and I'll bet you would notice a big-time difference in the delay factor.

Is that a fake Hollywood scenic background behind you, or real life? 🤔 I saw zero evidence of any breeze. ☺️ Beautiful! Whoops, spoke too soon, I just saw the runner and some movement of tree branch. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@steveprinty5674 Thanks for the visit and kind comments. Background is real (Catalina Mountains, north of Tucson, AZ) and there was lots of breeze coming from the talking head. 😂

@steveprinty5674

7 ай бұрын

@@AZGeek520 I subscribed to your channel. I am 75 years old and will probably never buy another bike. But I can enjoy them through channels like yours. My last (of 10) was an ‘81 BMW R100RS, it was by far my favorite. (Partial list: 4 BMW, 1 Moto Guzzi) ☺️

@AZGeek520

7 ай бұрын

@@steveprinty5674 Ooooh. The R100RS is such a classic. I love that bike.

The set price on the Janus is way over priced for the type of bike it seems to be. Looks like an antique but it’s not. A stretched frame and a long looking tank plus a solo seat and big bicycle wheels. Got better things to spend that kind of money and I find myself a collector of older bikes.

@AZGeek520

8 ай бұрын

@deanblanton-fh3gq We all have our price points. I love the look of antique bikes, but really don't want the hassle (for me) of dealing with antique equipment. I like the convenience of a new bike. 😉

Why the heck didn't you pick up the camera and do a walk around and show the bike up close???

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@dspence8086 Thanks for the visit and comment. I have other videos with walk-arounds of the bike. See: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eIWTsqqagZeXorA.htmlsi=gTQwW531R7eutZcw&t=1368, kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4l2taSzada_Ybg.html, kzread.info/dash/bejne/pnWW0ZaIepy9pdY.htmlsi=5FYsGS6vThyvwrtv. Perhaps those help give you a better idea of the bike.

I want this bike but it's just to bad it Fuel injected. Carburetors are so much easier to tune unless your not a mechanically inclined person. Fuel injected is a night mare and you can't fix it unless you have all the computer crap to do it. And you still have to take it all apart and replace what's wrong. carbs have maybe 10 or so parts and you can do it on the side of the road. (and I have ) And to all the fembots in the comment section complaining about the minor things that had to be fixed, , God, don't ever buy a vintage Triumph from the 60's or a Iron head sporty. And stay away from any car that is older then 30 cause you might have a nervous breakdown and need a safe room. Like the kick stand non issue, I would just take it off and Dremel tool out the inside a millimeter or more so it goes forward a few more degrees, then the bike would lean more to the side and then weld a angled block on the bottom so it would bring the bike back up to the right lean angle again. I can tell by the video that the kick stand just doesn't go forward enough. so it wants to roll and drop the bike on any slight downward slope. it just needs to be Modified a bit . no big deal. young people are just not going to do well when the world turns to crap.... (more than it is now )

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@jimgagne3801 Thank you for the visit and kind comment. I am not proficiently mechanically inclined, so EFI bikes are just fine. My first bike was carbureted and I got tired of the altitude-induced performance hiccups with that bike. I like in an area where I ride in elevation changes of 5,000 feet, so the struggle was real. 😂

I thought the engine was a Honda clone?

AZed geek

Great video about a beautiful machine, but some items just seems a litlle bit like nagging to me. For example, your dislike of the spoke wheels... you know they come with these types of vintage-looking motorcycles, I mean a pair of cast aluminum rims would have looked ridiculous here. Than your comments on the panniers... well, be glad there is a set on the bike.. ..which motorcycle manufacturer still does that today......you can find a set in the same colors but that can hold more and for little money on the web...so why not buy a extra set and adjust the mounting for your luggage rack. Then your comments about the oil matters...... if you have the correct oillevel in your engine and you don't find large puddles of oil on the ground or you have a streak of blue smoke behind you, then you don't have to check the oil every day.....I understand you are precise in these kinds of things but there is a fine line between being precise and being paranoia. Furthermore...if you compare the price of the motorcycle to what you get, yes indeed, there are better deals out there, but character has its price and I think it's a shame that they are not (yet) for sale in Europe otherwise I certainly would have a Halcyon in my garage....but have fun with this beautiful motorcycle and I wish you many safe miles. Greetings from Sweden

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@PietScheffer Thanks for the visit and comment. Pretty sure I never said I disliked the spoke wheels. I don't like tubed tires and actually prefer spoke wheels - actually have spoke wheels on all 5 of my bikes. Hopefully Janus will be able to pass the Euro emissions and have these available in the EU.

Obviously, there's a LOT to like about the bike but frankly the 100-mile range is a deal breaker. It's not as Retro-Cool but a R-Nine T has twice the range, 2.5 times the horsepower, all the safety features for the same money. Granted the R-Nine T weighs a 100 lbs. more.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@razorwired130 All good points, except that the R nineT has almost 4x the HP. There's a reason why I have this bike _and_ the R nineT (among others). 😉

@davemeshamsr6000

9 ай бұрын

What is a r9t?

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@@davemeshamsr6000 www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/heritage/rninet.html

If you want a motorcycle that looks beautiful and historic and want to pay $$$ for the privilege it is worth a look. Nothing modern looks like it. But you gonna have to pay upwards of 3 times the price for a bike like a royal enfield which you can get for 5k or any other number of bikes under 10k. Where many Janus bikes cost 15k. So yes the looks are historical and stunning. Nothing else justifies the price. No safety systems. But it has an incredible vintage look. The price is hard to justify unless you want the look over all else Also oil studies show the Chinese engines have the worst quality control in the world by far. Maybe the engines they make for Janus are different but the engines they make for other bikes are trash.

I wanted to watch, BUT the um's uh's probably made the video a mini series

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@jamesbuckingham8073 Yup. Sorry about that. Now you can see why I do very few videos with me blabbering.😉

@commoveo1

2 ай бұрын

@@AZGeek520you’re just fine!

it's a Chinese-made engine that is incredibly underpowered and if the EFI was remapped to produce more BHP the engine would disintegrate, the suspension is from the 1940s and the frame is as rigid as balamonge, it is fantastically overpriced @ $15000, you can buy a triumph X400 for $5000 a full $10K less, anyone buying this bikes must be mad,

@jeepmandan5334

5 ай бұрын

Ah, the art of the "opinion"... Reminds me of a great quote that seems fitting here: "Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding." - Bill Bullard.

These guys are very nice, but extremely over priced. These 250 should not be more than 4500, the 450's no more than 6500. Sorry, if they don't listen they will probably not exist after 2024. Just my view!

@DustyRhodes218

2 ай бұрын

They have been in business for 13 years… all a sudden you think that’s gonna change? They just had their best month of sales on record.

I don't care about the name Janis for starters ,it ain't about the gods or ever thier talking about ,they should have come up with something a little more tougher than that

Great looking bike but the Chinese engine…pffff

If Janus uses this video I hope they edit out at least 300 “ummmm”s.

@AZGeek520

9 ай бұрын

@jimanderson1355 Ummm. Ok. 😂😂😂 I actually thought about doing a little "ummm" counter. Trust me, there were more that I edited out myself. 😂😂😂

@nikos-giorgos

6 ай бұрын

Just go 2X

@commoveo1

2 ай бұрын

@@AZGeek520didn’t bother me a bit! We all would have done same thing. Thanks for all the details! Thinking of buying myself one and yours is perfect. X aircraft mechanic.

@DustyRhodes218

2 ай бұрын

@@commoveo1just ordered one a couple weeks ago that is almost identical to his. Current Aircraft Mechanic. Neat coincidence lol. I guess us aircraft mechanics like the military look lol

Single cylinder chinese engine

Ahm, ahh, ahm…

@commoveo1

2 ай бұрын

Am yor a trip umm yeh and umm you hide in your moms basement umm and smoke the free dope umm the government gives you. Umm get a job Mr. Dhumm

single cylinder chinese engine

Janus is assembled here the motor is made in China 🇨🇳 enough said !!!!! Five to ten years the bike 🏍 company will not be around !!!!!! To expensive also !!!!! Kevin Phoenix

Over priced cheap Chinese engine an components as for the rubber cap coming off is dangerous to the engine that is a vacuum port when it comes off it allows the engine to suck air that's not coming thru the carb or fuel injection system causing a lean condition also the hesitation at lower engine speeds is also a lean condition and is bad for the engine , causing over heating, which causes burnt valves piston ring and cylinder failure these are things a production vehicle of any kind shouldn't have problems with especially at the price range these bikes are being sold at you can buy a quality American or Japanese motorcycle at a better price that is better quality much more dependable with a better warranty

@AZGeek520

6 ай бұрын

@lawerncemiller6557 Thanks for the visit and sharing your opinions. Much appreciated.

Designed to be ridden to Starbucks and parked while you sip coffee and wait for people to react.

@AZGeek520

4 ай бұрын

@larsthorwald3338 If that’s the case then I am not riding it as designed.

Biggest overpriced pos on the market. They look kinda cool in some respects but mostly underdeveloped product for the amount of money that they want for it. Be better off buying a cheap used machine and rebuilding it. Customize how you want it. You would definitely be money ahead. This is an embarrassment of Indiana manufacturing.

@jeepmandan5334

5 ай бұрын

Ah, the art of the "opinion"... Reminds me of a great quote that seems fitting here: "Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding." - Bill Bullard.

@aaronbrewer1742

5 ай бұрын

@@jeepmandan5334 I have enough understanding of motorcycling, motorcycle value, marketing gimmicks, and overall fit and finish of motorcycles. There are several much better machines on the market for highly competitive prices. I enjoy the look of the Janus, but when I contacted Janus to place an order it was like they have one person producing them and the longer the wait, the higher the price. Do you understand my reasoning?

@jeepmandan5334

3 ай бұрын

​​@@aaronbrewer1742 Oh, you just reminded me of another great quote: "An opinion based on inexperience or without knowledge shows an extreme lack of intellect."

First off, I don't buy anything made in Communist China. Period. Full stop. Secondly, you (and most of the people who buy these things) will skate around the main question: HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR THE GODDAMNED THING??? Trying to get a straight answer from either the manufacturer or the owners (unless Janus thinks you're placing an order) is pretty pointless. Been riding since 1964. Seven bikes in the garage currently. Next one sure as hell won't be a Janus.

@AZGeek520

3 ай бұрын

@bretthompson3865 Thanks for the visit. I've got no problem telling folks exactly how much I paid. To be fair, telling that to you would be pointless because it doesn't seem to be the price but the "Communist China" components. I'd bet you would be surprised at just how much of what you do buy is either from China or has components made in China. What bikes do you have in the garage now? I've got 6, 5 of which are mine and one is a friend's bike. He lives on the east coast and flies out west to ride in the winter.