James White wakes up sweating from nightmares where he is being chased down an endless corridor, by a fearsome white monster with a hat, repeatedly saying “Howdy folks!”

@chanano1689

17 күн бұрын

I doubt it the only person talking about the debate is Jimmy

@TheMOV13

17 күн бұрын

@@chanano1689 and you!😁

@chanano1689

17 күн бұрын

@@TheMOV13 no this came up on my feed and saw your comment. James White really lives rent free in all your heads hahahaha

@eries77

17 күн бұрын

@@chanano1689Then why does James White try so hard to debate Catholic theology. Even on his channel he does it too. Let’s face it Catholicism lives rent free in White’s head. He can’t argue it because he doesn’t speak truth.

@TheMOV13

17 күн бұрын

@@chanano1689 It came up on my feed and I saw your comment ha ha ha!

From my experience listening to James White, I am firmly convinced that his arguments absolutely destroy.... James White.

This is just a reminder that #JamesWhiteMadeMeCatholic

@matthewodonnell6495

17 күн бұрын

I was a big James White fan literally up to January/February of this year and considered myself a Calvinist for a long time. I was raised protestant and got anti Catholic over time. That is why I listened to James White a lot so I could find good arguments against the Catholic church and affirm my anti Catholic convictions. I am now planning on joining the Catholic Church by Gods amazing grace and mercy!

@salonsarwar4557

17 күн бұрын

​@@matthewodonnell6495Wow! Happy for you. Now plz don't keep us in suspense 😊. Plz tell us what happened that made you think of coming home to the Catholic Church

@BensWorkshop

17 күн бұрын

@@salonsarwar4557 I'd be intested to know too.

@BensWorkshop

17 күн бұрын

​@@matthewodonnell6495 Welcome home!

@BensWorkshop

17 күн бұрын

Welcome home!

James White is proof that you can hear the truth over and over but until you really seek to understand it, to allow it to change you, not allow yourself to change it, not only will you not know God, you will not have peace.

I love how a lay Catholic can destroy James white and Bart erhman in debates so nonchalantly

@robertlehnert4148

16 күн бұрын

Ehrman demolished White in debate when White tried to pull his supposed expertise in Koine Greek, when Ehrman is certainly within the top 50 Koine scholars in the world, and White is just fair to middling adequate.

@JWellsUp

16 күн бұрын

Without even getting agitated or angry. Just calm as can be standing n truth and relying on the Holy Spirit to speak for him.

@TimSpangler-rd6vs

16 күн бұрын

@@robertlehnert4148 Ehrman though intelligent is NOT in the top 50 of ANYHING other than atheistic ramblings

@robertlehnert4148

15 күн бұрын

@@TimSpangler-rd6vs Jimmy Akin says Ehrman is a top Koine expert, and there was no way Jimmy was going to make White's mistake

@zacharyvandress1120

12 күн бұрын

​@@TimSpangler-rd6vsYou would argue. Black as white

James White will take quotes from church fathers out of context to try and support Calvinism or sola scriptura but when it’s pointed out that the SAME CHURCH FATHER HE JUST QUOTED, either elsewhere in his writings or in the very same document, directly contradicts Protestant doctrines, he just leans back and says “well, I’m willing to just let the fathers be the fathers”. Meaning, when they seem to agree with his position when taken out of context, they’re right, but when it’s inevitably shown that they contradict his position when read in context, they’re wrong. Oh yeah btw, James was a big part of my becoming Catholic 😊

@StringofPearls55

17 күн бұрын

Yeah, I've noticed that too. It's an unfortunate way to be.

@edweber9847

14 күн бұрын

White is bearing false witness when plays fast and loose with the Fathers. Welcome home!

The thing I don't get is that James White can't know for sure whether he is at peace with God, right? *If* he's one of the elect, then yes, he's at peace with God, but how does he know that? At least as a Catholic, I can look at whether or not I have committed any unforgiven mortal sins to gauge whether I am in a state of grace. It would seem like James White can only, at best, hope he's at peace with God.

@BP26P

17 күн бұрын

Dr. David Anders wrote: “I heard a former Protestant minister explain the dilemma this way: 'The elect know for sure that they are going to Heaven, and I might be one of them.'”

@taylorbarrett384

17 күн бұрын

It's true that the possibility of mortal sin and forfeiting salvation doesn't vitiate our ability to discern whether we are in a state of grace and forgiven right now, but unfortunately, the Church traditionally, and today, discourages people from embracing certainty about whether they are in a state of grace, and until the Church learns how to teach people to know they are forgiven and justified, until devout Catholics are walking around filled with joy and assurance about the current state of their soul and salvation, then all these Protestant critiques will still have substantive merit, and the Church will continue to be weighed down the by lukewarm piety of people laboring under uncertainty of whether they are forgiven, people not buttressed by supernatural love for Christ out of gratefulness for knowing He has forgiven and saved them. "She loved much, for she was forgiven much."

@jhamberg8968

16 күн бұрын

Your post made me think of Martin Luther, who was never sure he could ever stay in the state of grace (having to be in confession every day for the most minute things). I think James White needs our prayers for true transformation, just like Martin Luther did.

@JWellsUp

16 күн бұрын

Ohh.. you better believe I know when I’m not at peace with God. When the peace which I have now from him is no longer felt. Due to a mortal sin. Not even venial sins remove this supernatural peace. It has to be a deliberate act knowingly that I’m about to sin and mortally. That’s the problem with Protestantism , that they believe that once saved always saved has them covered and meanwhile they are piling up sin after sin. One of the devils greatest tricks.

"How can you know you will not commit a mortal sin before you go to bed?" By the very definition of a mortal sin. I swear the vast majority of arguments against Catholicism would be solved if Prots, Orthodox, and non-Christians alike would actually research the concepts they criticize before they criticize them.

@HellenicCatholic

17 күн бұрын

⁠@@jilesbo9175 You just proved his point.

@IsaiahINRI

17 күн бұрын

@@jilesbo9175 What? I don't see how I said that.

@HellenicCatholic

17 күн бұрын

@@jilesbo9175 So God doesn’t have endless mercy..? And what’s meaningless BS? You’re confusing, dude.

@MtCarmel1251

17 күн бұрын

Exactly! A mortal sin is a grave sin committed with full knowledge that it's evil and with deliberate consent. How can anyone unknowingly or accidently commit a mortal sin? That would seem more like a venial sin.

@WayneDrake-uk1gg

17 күн бұрын

"Meaningless BS" is any system whereby we try to work our way to Heaven. That's why Protestantism is an endlessly divided Tower of Babble. They shifted the focus of Christianity from worship of God and Christ to personal salvation, and even though they made it into a one step process ("faith alone") they STILL can't agree on how it's done LOL

It’s funny how James White’s arguments against Catholicism is to apply impossible, unfair, unnatural, and unreasonable standards to it, while pretending that his point of view or position meets all of those requirements. Kinda like sola scriptura.

@annb9029

17 күн бұрын

Your right

@thaddeusslawinskiiii8259

17 күн бұрын

Naw... more like TULIP.

@JosePerez-is6nn

17 күн бұрын

😂 thanks God bless

@KnightFel

5 күн бұрын

Well, it sounds like the basis of our peace is our ability/choice to refrain from so-called mortal sin. Seems like an impossible task over a life time, whether in thought or deed. If mortal sin is reduced to just actual deeds then you’re just diminishing the standard of God, which is perfection. Do you think Augustine stealing pears was a venial sin? Or was the fact that he reveled in the evil act itself enough to be a mortal sin? I guarantee you in the eyes of God, that desire is as evil as ever. No, the reason we have peace with God is because of what Christ did and his imputed righteousness. If you know your own heart, you know peace can’t possibly come through refraining certain sins dubbed by Rome as Mortal. Jimmy is wrong. So yes, there is an impossible standard that Rome gives.

The concept of mortal versus venial sin was a hard one for me before converting. But i soon realized i already believed it, just not in such precise terms. I already understood thst there is a fundamental difference between struggling with things out of weakness, immaturity, ignorance, habit, etc and willfully turning my back on God to indulge in sin. I already understood that the latter could cost me my salvation, especially if persistent.

White’s argument backfires on him. He’s a Calvinist, so he believes in the doctrine of eternal security. But under his view, he doesn’t have assurance that he was saved in the past because it can turn out later that he was never saved in the first place. Many people who truly thought they were saved later left the faith and thus, according to White’s view, were never saved in the first place. So, according to his own logic, he himself can’t have peace with God.

@TruthHasSpoken

16 күн бұрын

When one believes in Eternal Security, one can never ever know if they are in fact one of the elect.

@ZachFish-

16 күн бұрын

And so salvation is relied upon your own ability to love enough, and go through all the church motions, hoping you last until the point you die.

@TruthHasSpoken

16 күн бұрын

@@ZachFish- I notice you didn't try to refute my point. I will repeat it: _When one believes in Eternal Security, one can never ever know if they are in fact one of the elect._

@ZachFish-

16 күн бұрын

@@TruthHasSpoken They know at least as much as a Catholic.

@TruthHasSpoken

16 күн бұрын

@@ZachFish- Still haven't refuted my point. And no, not really. Catholic's can have confidence, just not infallible certitude. Scripture never teaches eternal security. That's the whole point of the parable of the vine: - one who is ATTACHED to Jesus Christ is 100% saved. - but they can be cutoff - bundled - thrown into the fire. One does this by remaining in unrepentant mortal sin at death. One thus rejects the gift of salvation. OSAS believers however ... start with believing that they are saved. EVERYONE, their friends, family and pastor(s) believe too that they are saved. Yet .... they can fall away ... and then EVERYONE says that they were never saved to begin with! They were all wrong. So in the protestant mind who holds this belief, savlation is never secure. One can never ever know if they will fall away or not, and if they were TRULY saved or not. Interesting, we can trace who in history taught this error, which shows it to be a man-made tradition: a Catholic lawyer named John Calvin, only 500 years ago.

It’s amazing how much Catholic content James has generated over the years 😂. Truly an example of God’s providence taking advantage of human mistakes

So Mr white believes one can sin all they want and it doesn't affects one relationship with the Almighty ? Hmmm ..

@CaptKingKane

17 күн бұрын

​@@jilesbo9175 This is essentially what he believes though.

@jeremysmith7176

17 күн бұрын

I suspect Mr. White would say if we act in that manner when God has never given us Grace.

@kisstune

17 күн бұрын

That is the natural end for that line of thinking. Which is why it's dangerous. It down plays sin if not negate it completely and leads to "once saved always saved" and "I'm righteous so I CAN'T sin."

@DPK5201

12 күн бұрын

He doesn’t believe that!

@CaptKingKane

11 күн бұрын

@@DPK5201 He's a Calvinist so yeah he believes the "elect" are chosen for salvation and those who aren't are damned and there's nothing anyone can do about it. He would say if someone who's saved falls away and commits grave sin then they were never truly saved in the first place. How does one know if they are "elect"? How does James know if he is? Other protestants would believe "once saved always saved" and therefore they can't sin? Make it make sense. The only true faith is the ancient apostolic Church that Christ founded. Not these heretical demonic sects founded by sinful men.

Whoopsies! I *accidentally* went home and commited a grave sin with full consent of the intellect and will ! (and without perfect contrition) One could just say; hey James how do you know you won't go home and lose your faith? Every Christian knows what it's like when the doubts come!

There aren't any categories of sin. They are all damning. Every last one.

Jimmy your such a blessing thank for all the great work you do by gods grace 🙏🏻🙌🏻

James White's reasoning is all over the map, his thinking is much like "pot luck".

@MrJohnmartin2009

16 күн бұрын

White is routinely inconsistent with himself within a singular debate and over some time period between debates and publications. He's acually admitted to the Catholic mass in one publication cited by Sungenis in a debate.

This guy has his own religion at this point

White is, in ever video i see of him, an angry man. That he misunderstands peace, let alone “peace with God”, is not surprising.

James White ignores & rejects what our God & Savior Jesus Christ established with His apostles in 33AD. His apostles taught their direct successors, Catholic Priests what Jesus taught them.

@atyt11

16 күн бұрын

🤣🤣 your only off by about 1200-1500 years. good try...... I doubt Jesus taught hiding the scriptures, savior like worship of his earthly mother and HA! Ha! of Ha! ha!'s pope infallibility and.............. FYI: I agree, James white is a lunatic

Howdy, Jimmy 👋 Thanks

God bless you Jimmy! Thanks for all that you do.

James whites arguments against the Catholic faith are always sophistic. His use of peace in Romans 5 ignores the OT covenant context and St Pauls use of the plural, "we have peace with God" which does not exclude the option of mortal and venial sin in the singular. The covenant of peace is not revoked with mortal sin. St Paul teaches mortal sin in the sin lists and the believers option to fall away from the gospel in Galatians, showing mortal sin is real.

@stueve

17 күн бұрын

The reason why we have peace with God (Romans 5) is because of what's explained in Romans 4, "blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account". Romans 4 is the "therefore" context of Romans 5.

@MrJohnmartin2009

16 күн бұрын

@@stueve St Paul citing Psalm 32 in Romans 4 does not equate to White's penal substitution theory and extrinsic non imputation of sin by faith alone for many reasons. White's understanding of Rom 3:21-4:25 is very poor. Ps 32 is not a courtroom scene but historically King David's repentance with an accompanying interior regeneration and Israel's subsequent use in the temple with the todah sacrifice inferring a sacramental context contrary to White's presumptions. And there is no courtroom scene at Abraham's justifications in Gen 15 and Gen 22. Abraham's justification presumes an interior regeneration marked by Abraham's faith and obedience coinciding with Yahweh reckoning Abraham as righteous. To presume an extrinsic righteousness ignores Abraham's interior spiritual life already witnessed throughout Gen 12-15 and makes God into a liar. The disingenuous nature of imputed righteousness without reference to an interior righteousness through the Spirit's regeneration is contrary to God's holiness and the witness of scripture (1 Cor 6:11). White's attempted projection of his distinct theology into the bible ignoring the potential loss of salvation and peace with God through mortal sin ignores the biblical witness to mortal and venial sin in other passages including St Pauls sin lists which exclude the faithful from the kingdom. White's presumption about St Pauls argument in Rom 3:21-4:25 also ignores Jesus sermon on the mount and the beatitudes linking purity of heart to the final vision of God. A major flaw in White's position is his rejection of the church fathers on their universal consent regarding the Papacy and the consequent embrace of the Catholic sacramental gospel. Baptist ecclesiology is unhistorical and unbiblical. All doctrines on faith and morals must be associated with the church of the four theological marks of one, holy, catholic and apostolic church and not a Protestant denomination. White's method of reading the biblical text and arguing for a position ignores attaching all doctrines into the church of the four marks. His Eucharistic beliefs are not found in church history or church councils regardless of what White believes the bible teaches on the Eucharist. The correct way to understand the bible is by deferring to the doctrinal teachings of the one, holy, Catholic and apsotolic church at church councils before interpreting the bible of the biblical one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church avoiding White's many and various Baptist errors.

@stueve

16 күн бұрын

@@MrJohnmartin2009 I didn't mention White, or PSA. In simple terms, what would you say that Paul, in Romans 4 means, when he says "blessed is the man whose sins the Lord will not take into account?" If you feel like you answered that question in your response, forgive me. Your response isn't at all clear to me. Perhaps you need to dumb it down. Thanks.

@MrJohnmartin2009

16 күн бұрын

@@stueve David's repentance after mortal sin is recorded in Ps 32 presumptive of an interior regeneration by the Spirit contrary to Whites understanding of an extrinsic imputation of Christs righteousness not in the passage. Ps 32 in the NT church presupposes baptism with a sacramental gospel and not a penal substitution courtroom scene.

@stueve

16 күн бұрын

@@MrJohnmartin2009 Again, Paul is using this to make a point. What is Paul's point?

The Protestant apologist I'd really like to see taken down is that Gavin Ortlund fellow. Dude's constantly talkin' smack about Our Lady, and he's doing so under a veil under false irenicism and supposed historical theology

@ninjason57

17 күн бұрын

Taken down? Is that really how a Christian should view their fellow Christian? Unless you think he's a false believer?

@peterlee6148

17 күн бұрын

Taken down like statues in a Catholic Church . 😅

@WayneDrake-uk1gg

17 күн бұрын

@@peterlee6148 taken down faster than his hero St Calvin would take a him down for rejecting infant baptism or literal Genesis creation

@WayneDrake-uk1gg

17 күн бұрын

@@ninjason57 c'mon man! The dude mines quotes from the Church Fathers--aka mostly CATHOLIC BISHOPS--to try to say they were "proto-Protestants". What's next, is he gonna take Pope Benedict's comment about Luther being correct about salvation through faith or Pope Francis' comment about not using "Co-Redemtrix" because our Redeemer is One as evidence they're Protestants, too? As for whether he's a "believer", I can't read hearts, but if he's gonna go around using his vague doctrinal agreement with various CATHOLIC SAINTS as justification for staying outside of communion with the Catholic Church, then I find it pretty far fetched that he believes that "Truth Unites"

@fosterduncan7

17 күн бұрын

@@WayneDrake-uk1gg I feel like Gavin Orland has a bad attitude, I mean, essentially like most protestant apologists

Jimmy! Can you please do a video about your understanding of the anathemas? I think this needs to be spreed amongst non-Catholics.

@thatchermilton4143

16 күн бұрын

As a new catechumen in a pool of a Protestant community this would be helpful.

@AlexE5250

16 күн бұрын

He briefly talks about anathemas in the justification debate he talks about in this video. The short answer is that anathemas were a type of legal proceeding used by the church and they aren’t used anymore, so nblobody really needs to worry about them. I hope Jimmy makes a longer video specifically about them though because I’d be interested to know more about their use historically and when/why the church stopped using them.

Thanks much Jimmy Akin.

Jimmy Akin with the mic drop response 🎤👋🏼

He's a linear thinker, born that way. No one can help him.

great answer. Thank you

that argument is like saying how can I have a faithful marriage when either myself or my wife can go out and commit adultery at any time. Even then, if that were to happen, the marriage still exists and the fidelity can be restored.

Thanks Jimmy 😄

Defending the act of “protest” while trying to claim yourself better than that which Jesus told us He would be with us in until the end of the age and told us He would build and the gates of hell would not prevail against it is not an act of “protest” as much as it is an act of disobedience. I understand our Prot brothers and sisters who feel a need to “protest”… …I am a Christian white conservative male patriot in the USA… …protest can sometimes be a tribute to truth but, there are no “truths” the Prots are wielding that are not ours too, nor any that did not come from what Jesus Christ had already built within His Church. As for me, I am following Jesus, I am going to work on protesting when it is necessary, not just when I don’t like something. Sometimes God gives us things we don’t like so He can better prepare us for what we will like.

This was a strange argument on James' side. He makes it sound like we could just accidentally stumble into mortal sin, even when a sin cannot be mortal unless it is deliberately chosen. And even if we do deliberately choose to sin, we can confess and be absolved without worrying about whether we were truly adequately repentant. I think it's a great system!

@cunjoz

17 күн бұрын

as much as he's wrong for not seeing that calvinism doesn't result in knowing you're saved, but actually even augments the despair, he's not saying that you can accidentally stumble into mortal sin. I'm sure you've went from confession with firm resolution to not sin even unto the day you die and yet, in a short amount of time, there you were in the confessional, confessing the same thing you've confessed the last time. and what if you don't make it to confession before you die? perfect contrition? fine. but how do you know you were perfectly contrite? i don't think you can know that.

@yugb104

16 күн бұрын

@@cunjoz that still proves the point he is trying to make, you don't accidentally commit a mortal sin.

Love this!!! 😊

This dude behind the podium but in front of that desolate/non-descript wall is giving me some peculiar Anton LaVey vibes.

Beautifully said.

There is limitless mercy in the sacraments. How can that not bring peace? Reject sacramentalism all you want, but dont tell us there is no peace in them. The peace White envisions is only found in heaven.

@EruIluvatar5

17 күн бұрын

​@jilesbo9175 you're displaying your failure of understanding of what it means to practice the sacraments.

@EruIluvatar5

17 күн бұрын

​@@jilesbo9175Yes, in full. You can't hedge your bets by doing whatever you please until your deathbed and then claim repentance. Your repentance is not genuine if that is your plan for life. This is a presumption of God's mercy and is sinful in itself.

@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal

17 күн бұрын

​@@jilesbo9175 Once Saved Always Saved is the actual doctrine that gives spiritual permission to sin and live however you want, and that's not Catholic. Catholic teaching is that you need to be sorry for your sins and have a firm purpose of amendment to avoid the sin in the future if you want forgiveness in confession

@EruIluvatar5

17 күн бұрын

@@jilesbo9175 okay, I'll bite. What is your theology in regards to salvation?

@EmberBright2077

17 күн бұрын

​@@jilesbo9175 This is the exact criticism I've heard many atheists make about Christianity as a whole. Just do whatever you want, as long as you say you're sorry you'll go to heaven.

To use the analogy of two Nations at war calvinism's perseverance of the saints appears to entail two options. First our treaty with first our treaty with God allows us to commit war crimes against others with no eternal consequences. Or that we we are uncertain whether a peace treaty was signed from the last war.

I honestly didn't understand what point he was trying to make.

@HAL9000-su1mz

17 күн бұрын

"You cannot love someone if there is a 'possibility' that you may kill them." James White loves no one.

@user-rg4ni2hr6r

17 күн бұрын

The point was that a person in mortal sin goes to hell. And James was saying that possibility - which is a real possibility - that is not Biblical peace a Christian has. White believes that the elect are incapable of mortal sins and assumes he is the elect and that assumption gives him the assurance that he has peace with God. I think that is what he was going for.

@HAL9000-su1mz

16 күн бұрын

@@user-rg4ni2hr6r "White privilege" before God?

@killianmiller6107

16 күн бұрын

He’s trying to say that you can’t have peace because while in Jesus’s hand, where you are safe from eternal death and in which no external power could pluck you out of it, there is always the future possibility that you decide you don’t want to be in Jesus’s hand and you freely jump out. So as Jimmy was saying, while you can at this moment have peace between the US and UK, the possibility remains that one could decide to nuke the other out of nowhere, therefore there is no real peace. The problem being that this is a ridiculous standard to have for what peace is. We in a state of grace can have peace because why would we want to jump out of this grace into a state of sin?

The likes of Ray Comfort and James White, plus his minion, Jeff Durbin.. MADE ME CATHOLIC! The fullness of the Faith! ❤️‍🔥 The relationship is in the religion. Very common to hear Protestants claim: “Jesus is relationship and not religion” This is very foreign to everything Jesus taught and established.

Amen ❤

Can you do a debrief of your old Bible Answer Man debate?

A well considered argument.

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field…” Genesis 3:1

James White is one of the best and most convincing Catholic Apologist out there.

It’s not even like Calvinism saves us from uncertainty. How can we know FOR CERTAIN the WE are God’s chosen?

@padraicbrown6718

17 күн бұрын

Well. You can take your pick? Either you're God's elect, made and destined for heaven; or you're God's elect, made and destined for hell.

@michaelt5030

17 күн бұрын

@@padraicbrown6718 but how do I know which one I am? I know people who were far more devout and holy than me, who are now living in unrepentant sin. How can I know I will stay faithful and not be made and destined for hell without realizing it?

@ZachFish-

16 күн бұрын

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@padraicbrown6718

16 күн бұрын

@@michaelt5030 -- It's Calvinism. Either way, you're "chosen"! Calvinists and Muslims share this same untenable conundrum. I think you'd have to get out of Calvinism to resolve this problem.

@KnightFel

5 күн бұрын

@@michaelt5030dude, if you’ve repented and trusted in Christ, you’re the elect. The non elect don’t even care about such matters or go off into total heresy. It’s not like there’s 50 Christians who really trust in Christ and then half end up in hell. Also Trent Horn said God can elect you to salvation but then choose to leave you in your sin for X amount of reasons. I don’t see how you can have peace with God as a Catholic if you know your own heart. Seems like Catholics downplay the righteous standard of God, and there is no venial/mortal sin distinction. All sins deserve hell and God isn’t going to wink at some and not others. Me, knowing the sinfulness of my heart and struggles could absolutely never be a Catholic. There’s always a threat of losing salvation constantly. Terrifying. But thanks be to God that I can rest in Christ and have His righteousness and live to His glory.

In reading the scriptures like Romans 5:1, it clearly shows we have peace with God as we are justified by faith. Now this faith, to me, isn't temporary as the following verses, up to v11, show that this peace is sustained by God through His love. Also, Ephesians 2:8-9 shows that faith comes from His grace, through faith, and not from works. Then in v 10, it is God who brings about the works in us, works that were pre-ordained. That is, God is in charge of my life and I am called to obey Him.

I used to worry about this when I first converted. I was counting down the hours from my last confession until I would drop an F-bomb or something (not mortal sin). But you want to know something? The closer you get to God, you don't want to do those things, especially stuff that leads to mortal sin. Would I would advise is watch your heart carefully, even when it comes to the near occasions of sin. If you find that you get angry way too easily, work on that. Can you imagine driving home, you're listening to Catholic Answers and all the sudden someone cuts you off and sends your car into the ditch. You regain control, but then that anger in you takes over and you proceed to chase them down. The incident ends in road rage, with you forcing the other car into an embankment, not killing the driver, but their toddler in the car. Their blood is on your hands. You will likely go to prison. See how quickly your life changed, because of a flash of anger? Another analogy for what Jimmy is saying - do I lay awake in bed at night and worry about my wife cheating on me? NO, why? Because like America and Britain, we have that trust between us. We trust each other. It's just not something serious minded Christians worry about. Eternal security folks like James White try to sell their people on easy Jesus, when in fact, the Christian life is anything but easy. But we bear those burdens as our cross before Christ, knowing that He will shoulder our burdens with us.

Goethe once made a snarky little joke about mathematicians, saying they're "a type of Frenchmen; you say something to them, they translate it into their own language, and suddenly it means something completely different." Something similar could probably be said of White. He seems to have this "transactional" view of all of spirituality, and he either can't or he won't look at it through any other lense. In his mind, a mortal sin is a list of offenses, where the act of commission de facto instantly severs you from grace, with no regard for intent, contrition, etc, and from there requires the transaction of absolution, and then the transaction of penance or "satispassion" (that word he seems to like to use). Beyond that, with the goal of working his way to Heaven, he would constantly have to do the transaction of the mass. His own brand of works righteousness is much simpler. It requires only a single transaction, faith (unless he's arguing with his fellow Protestants from the "free grace" camp, in which case he tosses in the prerequisite transaction of repentance), and then your entire Christian account is settled. One and done

@TiroDvD

17 күн бұрын

An Engineer, Statistician, and Mathematician are hired to build a fence for a sheep pen the cheapest. The Engineer makes the pen a circle because that is the most area for a given length. The Statistician goes and interviews farmers and make the pen a rectangle since that is the one most commonly used for the amount spent. The mathematician takes some fence and wrap it around himself and says "I define the area I'm standing in to be 'outside'."

@WayneDrake-uk1gg

16 күн бұрын

@@TiroDvD what shall we conclude? That Protestants are like French mathematician shepherds who, when tasked with providing the guarding fence of sound doctrine, only manage to cut themselves off from the flock?

Yes, we have peace with God ❤ 🙏 but If you are in war with God, make peace NOW.

James White thinks of peace with God in terms of an correct and infallible notion that you are saved and will always be saved. He’s framing peace as opposed to anxiety (which is completely on his side), not peace as opposed to hostility, which is something that both sides partake in. The latter sense is covenantal, the former (skewed) sense is on the surface epistemological but under the surface it’s psychological. The way Jimmy refers to it is one

Well, I have some questions and some thoughts. First of all, this question comes to mind. If Mr. White is trying to make the word peace mean something it doesn't mean, then what is the meaning he is trying to impose upon the word peace, and what is the proper word which actually corresponds to that meaning? I think that is important because one must get to the bottom of what his actual distress is so that perhaps rather than merely be argued down, it could be allayed. Secondly, with regard to his proposition that before bed one could commit a mortal sin, the reply -well don't do that -is shallow comfort or counsel for those persons, and they are many, who struggle with the grace of continence. I would wager that that is the very mortal sin he has in mind when he made his utterance. Certainly, one can understand objectively that something is a sin, and desire to be free from its influence, but the wound of concupiscence is not easily healed, and few of us have been given that special gift of grace in this area that Saint Thomas was. The sacrament is indeed a comfort and a grace, but if one cannot attend confession until a week hence it can be a cause of great anxiety and feel very much like one has lost peace with God. While in such a state one might even despair that any prayers offered for the strength to do better or for one's loved ones and circumstances are in vain. I would suggest that his argument is an intellectualized plea for pastoral care being uttered as best as he can and speaks to his very real fears and worries. I know that in my own walk I find it a challenge to adopt some of the suggested rigors of discipline that I hear recommended for growth in holiness. Especially fasting. It is hard to understand how one can function in the real world of responsibilities and yet undertake the ideal of sackcloth and ashes which so many of the saints exemplify. Lastly, I understand that it was debate, so perhaps not the right venue to address the situation from the angle I am proposing, but I wonder if in hindsight it might be worth addressing.

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Hey, so I think this is a pretty solid argument. But, one thing I struggle with say even if you used the example of a marriage, you can be at peace with your spouse while still knowing being a terrible husband could get you divorced but, the issue is it seems that it is so easy or almost impossible not to commit a mortal sin. Like if you miss one week of mass you are in mortal sin. So it’s much harder to be at peace because it’s very easy to fall. Whereas you don’t have such a shaken relationship with your wife or another country.

Clearly. Serenity isn't what he excudes.

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So we as Christians don’t have peace because zionists don’t have peace or chose not to have it? Because I certainly sense that me and God are at good terms and therefore he gives me a sense of interior peace. What does the state of Israel have to do with my peace? And the biblical peace?

James is so anti Catholic and anti Rome. This strong feeling blinds him from the truth

So is Jimmy Akin saying, as far as the Roman Catholic Church teaches, that a person can be saved then lose their salvation and be lost?

I find the discussion about sola scripture very interesting. While the Church does have authority, I believe the Word of God is the highest authority. I mean, plain and simply, God spoke, therefore His word is truth (see Jesus' prayer in John 17). An example of this can be shown in John 6 where some believe Jesus is talking about the communion bread and blood (His flesh and His blood). And this would make sense if we take these John 6:51-58 out of context. However, let's look at the chapter. From the start, Jesus feeds the 5,000. Then in v26 Jesus says '...you seek me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.' So basically, they wanted another meal. But when these people ask about what works they need to do,, Jesus replies '...believe in Him whom He has sent.' I think this chapter is heavily emphasising 'believing'. Because it continues in v30, the people ask for a sign so that they may believe in Him. v35, '...believes in me will never thirst.' In v36, '...you do not believe.' v40 '...believes in me will have eternal life.' This chapter is really about faith and eternal life. Jesus then uses the picture from the O.T. of the manna that God brought out of heaven to feed the Israelites in the wilderness. Jesus equates this with Himself as the Bread of life. So when we get to v51-58, His flesh and His blood is purely symbolic of 'believing' in Him. It's also worth noting that at the last supper, in the context of the actual last supper, that Jesus said to do this in 'remembrance' of me.

Im sure glad im not gonna debate Jimmy.

A good instruction about the difference of Servile Fear and Filal Fear would have been helpful on this topic. One who is in Filal fear with a father is at peace with his father, and yet still fears and refrains from offending his father. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Lutheran here... Jimmy > James

His version of God is evil. He sounds borderline like preacher of fear. No wonder Calvinism is how you wind up with Westboro Baptist Church.

You can't just accidentally commit a mortal sin

I don't think James Martin understands what a mortal sin is

Right on Jimmy! Peace brother 😁

Good point! Let's have peace with God, freely given, freely received! (Mostly, this comment was made for the purposes of helping out, by making a comment!)

I don't know what Mr. White believes, but I'm aware of a belief among some Protestants that if you ever commit a sin, then it means you were never saved. I find that terrifying. What if I'm assured of my salvation because I prayed the Sinner's Prayer and accepted the Lord Jesus into my heart, and maybe even go on for decades without consciously committing a single venial sin, only to suffer a moment of weakness at a time when I'm tired and grieving a loss? Maybe it's the loss of a job around the time I've lost a parent, and the life insurance policy Mom or Dad took out that was to pay for the pre-planned funeral and final expenses fell far short of what Mom or Dad thought they were buying? That's a situation I'm currently facing, because long ago, after my Mom's own Dad died and she discovered that his life insurance policy wouldn't pay out anything because he had reached the age of 92, she made certain that her own policy wouldn't decrease in value and would cover the costs of what she arranged, plus pay the final bills and such. Yet the life insurance company says that her $25,000 policy will only pay out $8,000 and change, despite the fact that she paid more than $25,000 in premiums all these decades. All I can say is that it's a struggle to keep from committing sins right now. If I believed that by committing a sin right now, it would mean that I've never been saved, and can't be saved. That's frankly terrifying. Thanks and praise be to God for sustaining my faith that He is all good and works all to my good, and my hope in my salvation through all this. I'm just begging Him for the grace to love the people who weren't forthright with my Mom about her life insurance policy.

@TruthHasSpoken

16 күн бұрын

Not "ever sin" but if they turn away from the faith, it is said that they were never saved to begin with, even thought EVERYONE thought they were saved, including the person themselves. That's horrific theology.

I’m amazed how many people find this video convincing. It’s Jimmy that doesn’t understand. The need is to have peace with a perfect holy God with the work done entirely by Him, not with reference to a cyclical human system that ultimately has fear woven into it. And for the gallery in the comments, deflecting to how you can know you’re one of God’s elect is not confronting the comparison, it’s evasion. The issue James highlights is really simple - is your peace with God reliant on HIS work entirely, or with some level of fallible human work mixed in where you can never know for sure if it was perfect to meet God’s standards? It’s obvious what’s better.

God loves Catholics and Calvinists without partiality. Unfortunately their respective religions have become the Yoko Ono of their relationship with Him.

What Jimmy says is true in the sense he uses the word peace. But can two nations who are fully complicit participants in the genocide taking place truly be said to be at peace, even with each other? The relationship as carried out by the leaders who define peace between nations is a relationship of mutual use. Absence of war is not peace and declarations of peace by genocidal leaders are mere words which cover the darkness in their hearts. It is necessary to provide fuller meaning of the term peace when speaking of two nations carrying out a slaughter of the innocents.

Dr. James White forces the gospel of Calvin on Romans 5:1 without linking this Scripture to other texts which teach one can lose peace and salvation.

i wish james took a more inclusive stance like jimmy did

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I'm sorry if I'm being judgemental but I wonder if James White is doing this because of his sister's conversation? From what I have heard, James White sister converted into Catholicism years ago. Maybe it's a part of it but not the whole picture.

@TruthHasSpoken

16 күн бұрын

Nah, James was like this before his sister converted. Her story is available on line .... search for it. It's a good read. Watching him debate convinced her he was wrong. Pray for him. All things are possible with God.

James White: "You might commit a mortal sin, you don't know" My dude, mortal sin requires full reflection of it being wrong and grave, and then you do it anyway. Not "accidentally" doing a grave sin

I dont think Jimmy & James should debate because it kind of causes division under Jesus christ. If its a discussion then i think thats more understanding but some of Jimmys listeners (reading from the comment section) walk away from these informative talks in a very negative way . Slandering James white ect ect. [ 1 cor 2:2 ] i think shows us that Paul didnt find it constructive at all to get into these types of arguments. He focused on the fundamentals. Now if they are debating Athiests & people like Bart Erhman than i am all for that.

The correct term to use is standing. When I become born again (John 3:5), we become “sons of God” (Romans 8:14-17). That relationship does not change no matter I do. If you disobey your parent your relationship is strained but it does not change. You’re still a son. Read Romans 8:30-39 Philippians 1:6 I have peace with God because I am his child. The question is do I have the peace of God. Philippians 4:6-7

I am a lifelong Pentacostal and totally disagree with James White on this issue of OSAS. It is the most dangerous doctrine in Christianity.

These apologist turns more people off religion than the devil himself!

I think we're talking about different peace, Jimmy. Jesus' peace, which in John 14:27, Jesus says is not a worldly peace like the one you're talking about. You keep bringing up wars and agreements between governments. That's a worldly peace. A peace with God is one in which your soul can rest in God knowing that you don't have to wonder if your eternal soul is at risk if you stumble spiritually. As in Philippians 4:7, Galatians 5:22, or 1 Corinthians 14:33. There are verses that allude to a peace that quenches hostility with God, but also ones like these about an internal peace. One in which there is peace within you.

James White is done…. The longer he sticks around the more people will turn to the catholic church. His argument style only works if you know what your opponent believes and his ideas about what we believe are so far in left field that it almost forces his audience to do some research otherwise their arguments against us are just as useless and childish.

But Jimmy, isn’t this presupposing the kind of relative peace you’re talking about? James is claiming that there’s a subjective assurance category he possesses that’s distinct from the cumulative confidence grounds for peace you’re chatting about.

@georgeluke6382

11 күн бұрын

I’m not making a claim, but I am asking why an infallible peace like this isn’t possible? Why would “peace not as the world gives, but as I give” not be contradicted by an analogy to the kind of peace we see America experiencing compared to Israel via diplomatic relations?

James White is being dishonest on this issue. He presents a mortal sin as something that someone can commit like stumping their toe. For a sin to be truly mortal requires much more intent. Basically, you know it’s wrong, you have the ability to resist (eg: you’re not mentally or physically compromised), and you sin anyway. But even in this case, and you immediately regret the act and repent and intend to go to confession when next you can, the church teaches you can be assured of God’s forgiveness. It’s not complicated. What is complicated is seeing your sin and how your life doesn’t conform to God’s word, and wondering if that means you’re not truly elect because the evidence of your election isn’t clear- at least to you. What is your recourse? Where is your tangible assurance? You know God can forgive you… but has He? Especially since you seem to keep going back over and over again into the ditch? Where is the evidence of your perseverance?

Jimmy uses the analogy of former England and the United States’ fractious relationship and the extremely close alliance Great Britain and the United States now share. However, that analogy falls woefully short of how much an enemy an unbeliever with God and how much peace God has wrought for the Christian. It falls short on both counts. There is a world where Britain and the U.S. could become enemies but there is no world where an individual who has peace with God could then become enemies again. I don’t think Jimmy understands what the term peace means in the Biblical sense. Peace even, in the modern sense, is not merely the absence of war or even animosity. Peace denotes an active, prosperous relationship. In the Biblical sense, peace with God is established by God and brought about by God and that is the crux of the argument. Who brought about the peace, who established the peace, who arranged the peace? Jimmy seems to think the human did but God says, He established the peace. What God has brought together, no man can separate.

@jakeloftus6966

16 күн бұрын

@@jilesbo9175 super! But why ‘actually’?

For you to have "peace" with God under James White's definition, there would have to be absolutely nothing required of you for justification. And even a cursory reading of scripture reveals that is a bankrupt concept. Here are just a few passages in the Gospel of Mattew alone that prove action is needed on part of us in order to go to Heaven - Matthew 7:21 Matthew 10:38 Matthew 22:34-40 Matthew 25:31-46 As is clear, even within the first book of the New Testament, it's pretty obvious that you can drop the ball on salvation.

I think the teaching on Mortal sin is approached too mechanically. It's not an on and off switch. All sin should be avoided. All sin cuts off the flow of grace. At what point it becomes mortal is a judgement that God makes.

@TruthHasSpoken

16 күн бұрын

"At what point it becomes mortal is a judgement that God makes." Keeping in mind the criteria: it needs to be serious matter, with full knowledge, and unimpeded/deliberate consent. This can be known to the individual - and the intellect can be informed when discussing the situation with a priest.

We love God, because He first loved us. Free will isn’t so free is it?

@EmberBright2077

17 күн бұрын

Indeed, God paid for it himself on the cross.

@soteriology400

17 күн бұрын

@@EmberBright2077 True, but a person does not love God until they first experience His love through the inner change of the heart by God or circumcision made without hands. There is no anonymous act that earns this.

@tafazziReadChannelDescription

17 күн бұрын

God loving us is necessary but not sufficient for us loving God. Therefore, free will is free

@IG88AAA

17 күн бұрын

@@soteriology400Where does the Bible say “a person does not love God until they first experience His love through the inner change of the heart by God or circumcision made without hands.”? Would you say the “circumcision made without hands” is the same as being born again?

@soteriology400

17 күн бұрын

@@tafazziReadChannelDescription You are not making sense.