Toney the type of legendary fighter people should know more about

Toney gives me goosebumps, he isn't written correctly in the history books....amazing piece of footage.

@jonathonmurrison4721

5 жыл бұрын

Well said

@uncletony6210

4 жыл бұрын

his own fault. an all-time great talent who only had a 'very good' career because of a love and passion for twinkies gets no sympathy from me.

@Keaweahe

3 жыл бұрын

@@uncletony6210 what are you, stupid? The guy accomplished so much. After he was out of his prime and fat, he still won a heavyweight title. You judging him because hes fat? Hes fighting world champions and you aint fighting nobody.

@partygod6946

3 жыл бұрын

He was up there with ali, jones, Sanchez, Duran, Robinson, Mayweather... he even knocked out Klitschko in sparring

@frankrandall8875

3 жыл бұрын

@@Keaweahe He could have been better though, which is a shame.

James Toney would've held his own in ANY era , one of the greatest fighters of modern times...simply AWESOME 👏👏👏👏💯❤

Man I used to love when HBO did shows like this. A p4p elite guy and a rising star.

@Flexb123

9 жыл бұрын

Notice how Tony fought on the undercard to Oscar lol

@Timmevds

9 жыл бұрын

Flexb123 co-main event

@Beatbyawhiteboy

9 жыл бұрын

Timmevds Main event is the last fight, ALWAYS.

@pedrolomeli8735

4 жыл бұрын

@Sam 408312 sure thing dude, how many people did you fight? How many careers did you build? Bunch of jokers in these comment sections, have a bit of respect for the people who ACTUALLY went for it.

@christiancharles5598

3 жыл бұрын

@Sam 408312 Oscar fought everyone and ducked no one. Facts.

James Toney at 168 was quite a sight to behold. Amazing skill and power.

@javiermigoya

7 жыл бұрын

you are 100% right, can you imagine if he had the speed and reflexes of Roy Jones Jr, same thing for RJJ if he had James Toney's chin he would of retired undefeated, incredible chin and skills, same case was for the Fabulous Four of the 80s, Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler they were all greats and each one of them possessed specific skills that if any other of the 3 possessed they would of been the greatest of the 4 and the best all time in the division, Roberto "Hands of Stone" Duran was a tenacious boxer with a great chin, skills and endurance to last all 15 rounds swinging and the only 1 of the 3 to actually beat Sugar Ray Leonard at his best hands down by UD, gave Marvelous Marvin Hagler by his own words his hardest fight of his career and all he could handle for 15 rounds, Thomas "Hitman" Hearns, was 6'1 which is freakishly tall for the division, long reach, had devastating 1 punch KO power and the speed to make him all that more dangerous, he was able to give Leonard all he could handle and was winning the fight till he got caught, his reach and power proved to be a to lopsided advantage against the slower of the 4 Duran but his Achilles heal was his chin, which Hagler was able to exploit it after a couple of grueling rounds, he didn't have a bad chin just not an elite level chin, otherwise he would of beaten them all hands down, Marvelous Marvin Hagler was a bigger stronger version of Duran, and like him on your ass for 15 rounds straight beating you to a pulp if you even lasted that long, but like Duran he was notably slower than Leonard or Hearns, along with his stamina and skills, Marvelous Marvin Hagler had a rare birth defect that made him virtually KO proof, His Skull was several millimeters thicker than an average skull and in the later part of his career a Dr studying the brain scan noticed it, a few millimeters seems small but in actuality it was a huge difference, there is a liquid or a form of gel that occupies the space between your cranium and your brain, like in a car crash when there is a head on impact and you don't have a seat belt, your body continues to travel forward all the way to meet the impact with nothing to slow it down, less space between the brain and skull means the brain travels less and doesn't have enough time to pick up speed to concuss/KO, Hagler was never ever rocked by a punch, not even by Hearns thunderous bombs, if Hagler had more speed he would of been the greatest ever, Sugar Ray Leonard had perfect balance of the skills the other 3 greats possessed and that's why he was able to beat them all, the Hagler fight is a heated debate but I still think he beat him, never hurt Hagler at any point but definitely outpointed him, jeez, I just realized the book I wrote, sorry the point I was making is that we never get the perfect boxer, like in a video game with all stats at 100% and Boxing is a rare game of Rock Paper Scissor, I've also been around long enough to see a Champion dominate a division and then they fight a Boxer that has already lost to numerous Boxers that the Champ has already beaten and the Champ cant handle them, you never know what skill or implementation of a boxing skill can cause problems to even the most dominate of champions

@Gitfiddle

7 жыл бұрын

I agree. Tommy had world class skills and a journeyman chin. He rocked Hagler a few times in the first round. I mean he got Haglers attention no doubt. But he also broke his right hand on Haglers cannonball of a head. And his legs looked like shit the whole fight. Story goes one of Tommys "friends" gave him a leg massage before the fight. Manny Stewart saw this idiot giving Tommy a rub down and he blew a gasket. A massage relaxes the muscles so Tommys legs were shot before the fight even started. And you can tell his legs looked like shit even in te first round. Who knows how that fight may have gone if Tommy didn't break his hand and get a damn leg rub. It may not have changed the outcome because Hagler was a monster but it would have definitely changed the fight.

@javiermigoya

7 жыл бұрын

Jeffrey Haefner I will tell you one thing for sure, he cut Hagler pretty good and if Hagler hadn't gotten the KO when he did they might of stopped the fight because of it, the Dr had already looked at it, so Hagler was put on high alert, and you're right with Hearns's height, incredible reach, power and speed if he kept Hagler off for a few more rounds and just sniped him they would of stopped the fight, since were talking about Tommy, he would of destroyed Floyd Mayweather jr,in the 1st few rounds 3 tops because of how their skills compared by Floyd no having a significant power punch to keep Hearns honest he would of gotten KOed because of Hearns's reach and in my opinion the only one of the 4 greats that completely blows Floyd Mayweather jr away as in not even a semi competitive fight, Sugar Ray Leonard would of outpointed Floyd for a UD victory maybe Ko in the later rounds, and both Duran and Hagler although much slower than Floyd would of beaten him by UD because they were in my opinion both roughly the equivalent of a Marcos Maidana with superior boxing skills with and endless stamina tank to attack body and head

@Gitfiddle

7 жыл бұрын

You could be right. Tommy had that educated left hand. If he could stayed on his feet he'd of beat Leonard on points in that first fight. And I believe that left hand would have brought him the victory over a guy like Mayweather. You just can't counter punch a guy who's five feet away from you.

@javiermigoya

7 жыл бұрын

Jeffrey Haefner Yes Tommy was a devastating puncher and finisher, too bad his chin wasn't on par with his other perfect boxing attributes, his power was so great that he was able to climb to light heavy weight, in the 4th round of the Pacquiao fight Floyd got hit with a straight right that staggered him back to the ropes where Pacquiao unloaded on him while he covered up and recouped, Tommy's straight would of come from practically a whole extra foot away, Emanuel Stewart talks about Tommy in a documentary as being a freak of nature and having the perfect skills and attributes for that division, although Tommy looked very skinny and lanky he perfected having the ideal distance from his target had the proper extension when he hit, that's something very hard to master for a tall boxer because shorter boxers are constantly closing the distance, Tommy used his speed and his long arms as a range finder to keep them at the ideal sweet spot for destruction, again if Tommy had an equally impressive chin he would of been the greatest ever no question about it, don't know if you knew this but did you know Tommy Hearns fought Aaron Pryor? you can watch it here on KZread its bad quality it's before they became pro, very competitive but when they became pros Aaron Pryor wouldn't of lasted long because he used to get hit a lot, although Pryor had that elite chin were talking about so who knows

this is boxing, Toney is the last of the pure school

@ghana21

8 жыл бұрын

+Ric Macphedear FACTS

@karengillan3623

6 жыл бұрын

One of the top 10 pound for pound best ever

@GuyFromTheSouth

4 жыл бұрын

@j t duran could go in there too

This whole presentation is so vintage. It feels like boxing in its truest form.

Toney was throwback. Like Holyfield, he would have been good in any era. A pure fighter.

@55cleon

3 жыл бұрын

INDEED👌🏿!

@bryonwatkins1432

3 жыл бұрын

Sure the fuck would have!!!!

@kingp3947

3 жыл бұрын

He is soooo underrated that it is annoying

@jahmai7988

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingp3947 people hate Toney because he don’t kiss people ass he says what he feels and he keep it real

@kingp3947

3 жыл бұрын

@@jahmai7988 fax

This version of James Toney would of given anyone in any era a handful.

Oh, how I miss the old VHS tracking problems. Good times

@GuyFromTheSouth

4 жыл бұрын

I miss the 90s so much

Toney was defending the title 6 times a year. There really hasn't been a middleweight champ like Toney in the past 30-40 years. Not one willing to fight any comer. Again and again.

@Slipknot5301

7 жыл бұрын

6 times a year? lmao stop making shit up

@198oakley

7 жыл бұрын

2 fights at the end of 1988, then 12 in 1989, 10 in 1990, 6 in 1991, 5 in 1992, 7 in 1993, and it keeps going.

@gregfalco4528

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention he was undersized in every weight class he fought in. He just didn't give a f---.

@TheSimpleSoldier1

5 жыл бұрын

Had the biggest set of balls of any man in any weight division.

@chadangle1424

4 жыл бұрын

Untill he fought Roy Jones

I don't usually like the disrespectful, trash talking type, but always loved Toney. It wasn't hype for him- he meant every word and feared no one.

Toney should've been the main event

@larryjohnson2306

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Toney was an awesome fighter but he didn't have much in the way of charisma.

@GuyFromTheSouth

4 жыл бұрын

True boxing fans know Toney should be main event but Oscar was selling all the tickets.

@creoleDJ

4 жыл бұрын

Oscar is an LA-area fighter, so he was the hometown big money draw..🤷🏽‍♂️

@skippylegrandgourou777

4 жыл бұрын

@@larryjohnson2306 he has lots of charisma but in a scary/tough way, it's clear he's no golden boy though

@anthonycampos8057

3 жыл бұрын

Oscar was the draw

JAMES TONEY HOF!! This guy was one of the slickest with that Philly shell guard.

The Grand Olympic Auditorium. So much history, in that building. Such a shame that the city of Los Angeles, and the state of California, didn't step in and claim it as a historical landmark. Now, it's a Korean church. So much history.

That moment between the 38:15-38:23 marks will stay with me for life. It was a genuine unscripted moment when Toney exited the ring, raised his hands, and received an appreciative applause from the audience. It's that feeling that makes winning a fight worth the grind.

James Toney is a boxing legend to anyone who knows BOXING. Also, I love when George Foreman commentated fights.

Once Toney got that cut ! Man his sense of urgency went from zero to 💯

James Toney. Arguably the greatest defensive boxer of all time and one of the greatest p4p ever.

@3rdpersonality48

3 жыл бұрын

Goes to show how badass Roy Jones was cuz James Tony was definitely one of the best

@Art_official_intelligenc3

2 жыл бұрын

@@3rdpersonality48 tony was drained before the fight, he could barley make weight. Who knows maybe Jones wins anyway but we didn’t see the best version of toney that night and that’s a damn shame.

@joeblough261

2 жыл бұрын

Toney was a great defensive fighter but he's not in any argument for greatest defensive fighter of all time. He's in the top 20 no doubt, but top 3 are Willie Pep, Sweatpea Whitaker, and Money May.

Toney was one of the most calm fighters in the right of all time for sure love his style of boxing

When HBO was absolute MONEY

Toney went into his fights like he was protecting his female

Tommy Morrison said the same thing about his dad. He use to close his eyes and pretend the guy across the ring was his father.

thank you so much for this; as a boxing fan, this is a gem!

Woaw. It’s surreal listening to james Toney without his slurred speech.

Sterling,Thankyou man.Awesome doc. Anyone got any more Toney Docs please upload them.

Ah yes the pre-cocaine days of Oscar.

Awesome performance by Toney.

Remember watching this when I was a kid....Great memories

They way James evades punches is just pure natural ability. You don't teach that stuff in the gym. He was just born with it.

@richardott6365

7 жыл бұрын

Jeffrey Haefner he was born with the reflexes but he for sure picked up the shoulder roll or Philly shell style in northeast America.

@brotherjarod371

3 жыл бұрын

No one is born that nice, he has natural athleticism but he had to work his ass off: studying the greats that came before and sparring thousands of rounds.

These full uploads are great!

Thanks for the upload. 👍👍

HBO dissing Chàvez with that commercial at the end 😂.

Toney is an all time great IMO.

Thanks for posting this entire broadcast. My favorite part, besides the entire Toney/Littles fight, was afterwards between the 38:15-38:25 mark when Toney exits the ring to the applause of the crowd. That part was classic! I'll always remember that!

If only Toney had the discipline to train properly, dam

@sherrillraymond7595

2 жыл бұрын

This the first time I seen you say something sensible

That ring is massive!

This is absolutely fantastic ,I never seen these two fights.Thank you so much for posting.

Toney was one of the most skilled counter punchers, ever. He'd sit in the heat and shoulder roll and use the Philly Shell and still KO heavy, heavy punchers. He was a cool as they come in the fire. Monica Lewinsky was a 21-year-old White House intern who Sick Willy used as a cigar humidor.

Toney was an incredible boxer, his defense and counter punching is slick as they come.

What a night!!!!! Thanks!!

Its insane that oscar once made 130!! The guy is big for that weight.

It's incredible how much the young de la Hoya looks like Ryan Garcia.

@anthonycampos8057

3 жыл бұрын

And thats where the similarities end

I would have loved to have seen Moorer v. Toney at 175. I'm pretty sure they had to have sparred at Kronk.

"world professional championship wrestling" LOL

James Toney, Bad Hombre, Killer""'

I like Oscar but I love Toney. I could watch him all day, regardless of his statistics. A truly great fighter.

The last old school fighter!

One of my favorites

Us in the UK very rarely got to see HBO cards due to rights issues etc. Real shame we missed some real legends.

0mG 0mG 0mG .. James Tony is Horrific .. perfect Boxer .. Supreme ... James Tony

Toney was fun in his prime...

Smart and clever fighter Toney James bravo

This is amazing performance from Toney, Littles was a good solid fighter and he just destroyed him

@larryjohnson2306

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, no shame for Toney's opponent, he fought a brave fight but was just overwhelmed.

I loved the intro video treating them like they’re movie stars XD

Read a great book on Toney by his Manager once. It was a great read to be fair. Highly recommend it.

Detroit Kronk! Nuff said!

@johnspencer2549

5 жыл бұрын

Toney was not trained by Emmanuel Stewart as an amateur or as a professional. And I have NEVER heard of Toney being a member of the Kronk Gym. I have heard of him having trained and sparred there. However, I don't recall him EVER representing Kronk!!! I go back as far as Kronk's first champion (Hilmer Kenty).

@k.d.1555

3 жыл бұрын

The heat down In Kronk is unbearable.. I almost died working on a timing bag!!!

Tony thought he could roll out the bed and beat anyone's ass in the ring.

Old Lou Duva. "You're boxing beeeuteeeful". I think I've heard him say that phrase in fights 50 times.

@swp2152

8 жыл бұрын

lmao !!!

@richardott6365

7 жыл бұрын

Jeffrey Haefner now your boxing beautiful 😜😜😜

TONEY'S RECORD IS 77-10 THOSE 10 LOSES WERE BY UNANIMOUS, MAJORITY DECISION. HE NEVER GOT KNOCKED OUT SO I THINK HE SHOULD BE IN THE TOP 10 OF ALL TIME FOR SURE...

I never knew James Toney was such a good fighter until just recently I saw one of his fights he fought some good boxers and beat them...Tony has to be in top 10 best fighters in the world..

For sure james he's one of the best ever

For all those that said Oscar only had a left hook, ask Jimmy Brendhal

its amazing how more than 20 years ago the WBO apparently meant nothing

@ben10wynton

8 жыл бұрын

Elems187 it wasn't really nothing in the us until about 2004 time

@LMLR187

8 жыл бұрын

until the de la hoya - hopkins fight more or less cause it held little significance even in hamed's possession. i understand, its just odd to see how times can change drastically.

@mamzersdream1

7 жыл бұрын

Elems187 It still means nothing.

Toney is all time. Any era, any time, anywhere. He’s all about it. True Mount Rushmore GOAT.

Idol toney lights out

Why is it we can't see any of the knockdown punches in either fight, they cut out WTF

2020 Time has shown us Oscars loyalty from a kid to a grown man wow always backdoor moves.

@chrismale9976

Жыл бұрын

What....?

How in the hell was Toney who was arguably top 3 pound for pound at the time, the undercard for De La Hoya who wasn’t even a world champion yet. SMH

27:16 vicious head butt slash right uppercut by James Tony.

@EthanAnthony907

3 жыл бұрын

@Gilbert Gonzales huh?

@EthanAnthony907

3 жыл бұрын

@Gilbert Gonzales I understood what you were saying but what has that got to do with my comment about the nice headbutt/uppercut James landed? Calm down man

@EthanAnthony907

3 жыл бұрын

@Gilbert Gonzales yeah it was a nice headbutt, seems like you wanna argue for some reason. I dont do that. Im looking for sparring partners if you need to let loose some pent up anger. What state r u in?

What beat is this in the beginning of the program before the HBO intro?

Superb Toney

Love Toney, he didn't give a fuck and battered people while talking to them. Lol

George Foreman said that's not me that's U talking about the WBO

Littles' was hurt so bad he didn't realize he was hurt.

Ty

WHEN HBO WAS SIMPLY THE BEST.

big fan of toney.greatest boxer in the middleweight

I wish I knew where to buy James Toney's jacket

Man, I wanted to see Toney KO De la Hoya

@brianticas7671

3 жыл бұрын

2 totally different weight classes. Oscar top was 154 to 160. Pushing it. Oscar was really a small 154 dude.

@anthonycampos8057

3 жыл бұрын

Theyre not in the same weight class you stupid ass

James Toney was the greatest in his era, on this fight Kevin Kelly was a very dangerous opponent. But J.T. finds a way to end the fight by knockout. (Respect for both fighters).

Watching this and the Nunn fight shows just how good Roy Jones JR was in destroying Toney.

@shawnpatton3260

3 жыл бұрын

Destroying?

@SunKingMCD

3 жыл бұрын

@@shawnpatton3260 he made Toney look like a fool.

@shawnpatton3260

3 жыл бұрын

Roy Jones made alot of people look bad. One of the best pound for pound fighters all time. Toney is an all time great boxer as well. I think Toney k.o.s Jones at a heavier weight

@shawnpatton3260

3 жыл бұрын

@@SunKingMCD *

@SunKingMCD

3 жыл бұрын

@@shawnpatton3260 I remember the Toney Nunn fight as well as the RJJ fight. Toney was a warrior. No disrespect to him, but he was not in RJJs class.

Love James Toney knocked one of my former Trainers out.

素晴らしい！！

I wonder why Toney never fought Dela-Hoya

@anthonycampos8057

3 жыл бұрын

Really? You have to ask that

Little Pulled a Randy Couture on Toney Ha!

A fight that we missed was James Toney Vs Bernard Hopkins that would've been history in the making

B-Hop VS Toney ??? Around 1998. ???

@brianticas7671

3 жыл бұрын

Bhop wins. Toney was a mule with no brains and eating problems.

Bernard Hopkins who defended the Middleweight division for 20 title defenses...

de la hoya toney would have been an interesting fight in and of itself. Toney was 10 lbs too big but i still would have watched it

@anthonycampos8057

3 жыл бұрын

Theyre not in the same weight class you dumb ox

Oscar is supposed to be the good and Tony the bad. Looks can be deceiving. Tony is infinitely a better person with a heart of Gold.

Toney the middleweight, the heavyweight....he has always been something else, yet I rate him highest as a middleweight. Walcott, Ali, Salvador Sanchez, Whitaker, Toney, Holmes .. those are examples of what genuine boxing is all about.

Now I understand the Floyd and Oscar rivalry

@harondick2594

7 жыл бұрын

Jamar Poe why???

@ 52:40 and for the WBO title fight to be offical

Тигр восхишаюсь им

Possum stares

Tony.. Great puncher! Great chin. Real smart... Can't talk though.

James Money one of the greatest.

30:15 randy couture learned from this.

Toney is a great fighter that is not well known