an outstanding commentary and interpretation--one of the top 10 in CTT videos.

you cannot really imagine it until you experience it. to imagine infinity/eternity/immortality, one tends to compare it to our current physical reality/existence, but from those who have had a glimpse of it I.E near death experiences, it's real, and time seems to evaporate when it happens. there is no point trying to grasp it until we leave the body then it will surely make sense.

@b.v.437

3 ай бұрын

People can have option to complete end, live forever, no physical body but consciousness as form of Computer or AI and burial and cremation called cryonic preservation.

Good episode! Very interesting.

Really great conversation!

Its comforting to believe in afterlife and that our very brief existence here on Earth will end. My belief is that it's not a quiz with a right or wrong answer or explanation. My belief is that no matter what we believe concerning the afterlife has no effect on whether its true or not because its already been determined by the Cosmos long ago.

Fascinating how to describe something beyond description.... ...Dead is not the end but just a transition/transformation...

This is fascinating in how it describes the near death experience and other spiritual experiences that are widely reported from different people and cultures. They report that the experience is beyond words, and overwhelming with love. And they often say that because of the experience, they are transformed.

@TheShinedownfan21

Жыл бұрын

So-called Near Death Experiences are merely dream and hallucinations that, when recalled, mimic whatever "Afterlife" myth the subject happened to be enculturated with.

@Bill..N

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps, but keep in mind an NDE is in NO way a death experience..

@TheShinedownfan21

Жыл бұрын

@@Bill..N I recently had a medical procedure requiring anesthesia and as I waited for unconsciousness to engulf me the nurse came in and said, "All done!" I didn't experience losing or regaining consciousness at all, it was like an invisible edit in time in which I simply didn't exist. Thats what being dead will be like, the same as it was for you all those eons before you were born. Some people find that terrifying.

@Bill..N

Жыл бұрын

@TheShinedownfan21 Exactly.. I had the same experience you described.. I like the edit analogy.. It's worth people understanding that the brain is not CLOSE to being flat lined during an NDE experience OR anesthesia.. As YOU suggest, with rare exceptions, anesthesia turns OFF our conscious experience, BUT very often NDEs do not.. It therefore follows that NDEs are lucid dreams. Thanks for the response.

@Bill..N

Жыл бұрын

@TheShinedownfan21 Thinking philosophically, AND I'm not suggesting Buddha, but our current sense of awareness ITSELF is not too dissimilar from a transitory lucid dream, no?

"thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven" is absolutely the most overlooked and essential point in the Lord's prayer. This is the call to perfect humanity. Make the human divine. Control our amygdalae, our destructive impulses, our defeatist beliefs and nihilistic mindsets. "Our Father" is a Greek translation from Aramaic for a non-gendered phrase "source of all fruitfulness". God is that energy that drives life. It is neither Father or Mother. It is above these. The prayer is a reaching out and a surrender to the power and wisdom of life itself. It is not about obediences to churches or states or any social organisations. It is about tuning into the indivisible reality of You/Universe/Life itself. It's the coolest prayer that has been commandeered by some of the least cool people in history. Don't let anyone or any church put you off this gem.

Wow.

When a wave crashes onto the shore it seems to be no more, but the ocean continues to exist, and that's all a wave is anyway-- an action that the ocean is doing. You are what the universe is doing at this time and place, you are not an isolated entity unto yourself even if you think you are.

@JoeZorzin

Жыл бұрын

I agree completely. It is futile to feel a need to survive death. Maybe it'll happen, but most likely not. Better to get comfortable with the idea that it probably won't.

@TheShinedownfan21

Жыл бұрын

@@JoeZorzin You're not even the same person throughout a single lifetime. You may have the same name but not the same personality as you had when you started the first grade, all you have of that person are some vague, fragmented memories that you you are thinking in the present. A school for example may retain the same name even though the students, teachers, the building and location has changed. As they say, you never step in the same river twice, the water is always new flowing through it. You can't hold on to yourself, you aren't even an individual person, really, just part of a flow.

@francesco5581

Жыл бұрын

IF the ocean is doing waves there is a meaning to that ...also the drop accept the ocean inside, not the ocean get back the drop of water (that was a translation error explained by Huston Smith)

@JoeZorzin

Жыл бұрын

@@TheShinedownfan21 I agree- but in my case, I have a fantastic memory. I recall very well back to about 3 years old. I can recall being in a baby carriage, and "high chair" being spoon fed. I recall my first day of first grade. Most people have some memories but I have almost total recall. So I do identify with all those previous states of consciousness. I can appreciate why so many people believe in an after life and/or reincarnation- but it seems to me to be simply wishful thinking. My biggest reason for being skeptical is that if there is an all powerful, all loving God- there would be no suffering. There seems no purpose for suffering. Of course theologians then come up with rationalizations- Adam and Eve disobeyed God, blah, blah, blah. I'm really a sort of pantheist- it is what it is and it's infinitely old, infinitely big, infinitely complex and infinitely incomprehensible except maybe to itself. As for reincarnation- if you can't recall previous lives- in what sense does an individual have any identification with the previous life? Does some part of the personality continue? Or other attributes? This concept just doesn't ring true to me. One of my favorite philosophers is Alan Watts. I loved his book, "This is It". Made sense to me. 😄

Where did you get those sandals?

Did we also live before we were born? Do we need to be concerned if after death we are as we were before we were born?

@johnnytass2111

Жыл бұрын

The question is what is our relationship with the Eternal...truth, love, justice, mercy.

@TheShinedownfan21

Жыл бұрын

All of life is a progression leading up to the present generation from our earliest evolutionary ancestors to our most recent history. Who you are is determined by your background, both genetic and sociological. You are one cycle of a grand arc made of innnumerable cycles. With each incarnation you forget some specifics but remember a broad array of underlying factors, carrying them forward to future generations.

@Dion_Mustard

Жыл бұрын

look up : past life experiences.

@TheShinedownfan21

Жыл бұрын

@@Dion_Mustard "Past life memoeies" are a psychic scam. Your personal memories disappear when your individual brain stops functioning, but you can indulge in imaginative storytelling about "past lives"-- usually as an Egyptian ruler or swashbuckling pirate or some other romantic character-- when prompted by one of the charlatans who are skilled at implanted thoughts in the minds of the gullible. We do inherit many memories-- the instinct to walk and talk, our emotional responses, our social conditions which arc through history and other subconscious basics that we inherit from ancestors. What you think of as your conscious mind- your ego identity- is a very small part of "you." You are a very different person than you were when you entered first grade, your memories of yourself at that age are fragmented and vague, but you still pretend that that kid was "you." There is no such thing as a personal self that can transfer intact from one body to another like water in a vessel.

If it has a beginning it must have an end since those two things are connected; and consciousness is permanent in existence. Meaning consciousness is repeated.

I can’t think of anything worse than living forever.

@vecumex9466

Жыл бұрын

Who is saying living forever? What makes you think that we can make such assessment as equating experience and eternal living. Are you implying eternal third dimensional bodily self awareness? When trying to answer such question simplicity is prohibited.

@Dion_Mustard

Жыл бұрын

you cannot really imagine it until you experience it. to imagine infinity/eternity/immortality, one tends to compare it to our current physical reality/existence, but from those who have had a glimpse of it I.E near death experiences, it's real, and time seems to evaporate when it happens. there is no point trying to grasp it until we leave the body then it will surely make sense.

@Polynuttery

11 ай бұрын

What a bizarre thing to say.

@AlphynKing

5 ай бұрын

I don’t know that I want to live forever, but I’d certainly like to be able to live for as long as I want.

@b.v.437

3 ай бұрын

​@@Dion_Mustard People can have option to complete end, live forever, no physical body but consciousness as form of Computer or AI and burial and cremation called cryonic preservation.

Was hoping to hear about resurrection as described by Fyodorov and the Russian Cosmists leading to the modern transhuman movement.

Imagination - Process of Pure Creation The process of creation starts with thought - an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought. This is true of the universe as well. Thought is the first level of creation. Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact. Words are the second level of creation. Next comes action. Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything. The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced. Hang on. There's one thing more I have to tell you. You are always seeing what by your terms you would define as the "past," even when you are looking at what is right in front of you. I am? It is impossible to see The Present. The Present "happens," then turns into a burst of light, formed by energy dispersing, and that light reaches your receptors, your eyes, and it takes time for it to do that. All the while the light is reaching you, life is going on, moving forward. The next event is happening while the light from the last event is reaching you. The energy burst reaches your eyes, your receptors send that signal to your brain, which interprets the data and tells you what you are seeing. Yet that is not what is now in front of you at all. It is what you think you are seeing. That is, you are thinking about what you have seen, telling yourself what it is, and deciding what you are going to call it, while what is happening "now" is preceding your process, and awaiting it. To put this simply, I am always one step ahead of you. My God, this is unbelievable. Now listen. The more distance you place between your Self and the physical location of any event, the further into the "past" that event recedes. Place yourself a few light-years back, and what you are looking at happened very, very long ago, indeed. Yet it did not happen "long ago." It is merely physical distance which has created the illusion of "time," and allowed you to experience your Self as being both "here, now" all the while you are being "there, then"! One day you will see that what you call time and space are the same thing. Then you will see that everything is happening right here, right now. This is....this is....wild. I mean, I don't know what to make of all this. When you understand what I have told you, you will understand that nothing you see is real. You are seeing the image of what was once an event, yet even that image, that energy burst, is something you are interpreting. Your personal interpretation of that image is called your image-ination. And you can use your imagination to create anything. Because - and here is the greatest secret of all - your image-ination works both ways. Please? You not only interpret energy, you create it. Imagination is a function of your mind, which is one-third of your three-part being. In your mind you image something, and it begins to take physical form. The longer you image it (and the more OF you who image it), the more physical that form becomes, until the increasing energy you have given it literally bursts into light, flashing an image of itself into what you call your reality. You then "see" the image, and once again decide what it is. Thus, the cycle continues. This is what I have called The Process. This is what YOU ARE. You ARE this Process. This is what I have meant when I have said, you are both the Creator and the Created. I have now brought it all together for you. We are concluding this dialogue, and I have explained to you the mechanics of the universe, the secret of all life. Okay. Now as energy coalesced, it becomes, as I said, very concentrated. But the further one moves from the point of this concentration, the more dissipated the energy becomes. The "air becomes thinner." The aura fades. The energy never completely disappears, because it cannot. It is the stuff of which everything is made. It's All There Is. Yet it can become very, very thin, very subtle - almost "not there." Then, in another place (read that, another part of Itself) it can again coalesce, once more "clumping together" to form what you call matter, and what "looks like" a discreet unit. Now the two units appear separate from each other, and in truth there is no separation at all. This is, in very, very simple and elementary terms, the explanation behind the whole physical universe. Wow. But can it be true? How do I know I haven't just made this all up? Your scientists are already discovering that the building blocks of all of life are the same. They brought back rocks from the moon and found the same stuff they find in trees. They take apart a tree and find the same stuff they find in you. I tell you this: We are all the same stuff. (I and the Father are One Energy) We are the same energy, coalesced, compressed in different ways to create different forms and different matter. Nothing "matters" in and of itself. That is, nothing can become matter all by itself. Jesus said, "Without the Father, I am nothing." The Father of all is pure thought. This is the energy of life. This is what you have chosen to call Absolute Love. This is the God and the Goddess, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. It is the All-in-All, the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Source. It is that which you have sought to understand from the beginning of time. The Great Mystery, the Endless Enigma, the Eternal Truth. There is only One of Us, and so, it is THAT WHICH YOU ARE.

The idea of transformation or resurrection from a Buddhist point of view is in the practice of mindfulness. This would include mindfulness in meditation and mindfulness in our everyday tasks, mindfulness of speech and actions. Ultimately being mindful of the true self which ultimately is non self. Non self is the universe and all that it is , spirit in all things that is omnipresent and omnipotent, the wave function itself as described by physicists. Maybe this is what St Paul was talking about mmm 🤔

@100woodywu

Жыл бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 Thank you for that 🙏🏻. Very interesting 🧐. I love Thich Nhat Hanh books and have several of them including At Home In The World and The Miracle of Mindfulness.

So, what is the point of our Earthly existence? Why the caterpillar, When the butterfly is the greatest of beings?

Spirit is the essence of consciousness, the energy of the Universe that creates all things. Each one of us is a part of that Spirit Energy - a Divine Entity. So the Spirit is the Higher Self, the Eternal Being that lives within us. Form is the physical world: body, mind, personality. We as spiritual beings created the physical world as a place to learn. We're here to learn how to master the process of creation - to learn how to consciously channel the creative energy of spirit into physical form. HOW CONSCIOUNESS CREATES REALITY? If God is Reality And if Reality Is Consciousness Then God Is Consciousness I Think therefore I Am God Consciousness The whole universe is one reality which is pure consciousness. Pure consciousness is absolute existence. God makes things through the direct act of becoming the things which He creates. In the beginning the One differentiated into the many. The One entered into the many and became the Self of each. The being within everything is the One. When you merge with this nonlocal Self, you become one with the Self of all that exists. The One is the Higher Self of all. You are the One. The God Spirit In Me Is The Same God Spirit In You, And The Spirit Of All Beings. Enlightenment Is The realization That You Are All Part Of The Universal Spirit Of All That Exists, Which Is GOD. Each of us is the universal spirit projecting a particular point of view. My Self is inseparable from all that exists, just as your self is inseparable from all that exists. You are an aspect of Infinite Intelligence, and Infinite Intelligence is the source of all that exists. Therefore you are the source of all that exists and you create your own experience. Everything is possible because everything exists within you. The same unbounded potential of the Infinite Spirit also resides in each and every one of us. Everything in the universe is consciousness. Space and time in all planes of reality are only projections within universal consciousness. There really is no here or there for everything is at one place where Mind is. Mind does not move at all. Mind simply is (Not to be confused with the brain). Mind is everywhere yet nowhere. Mind is nowhere but Here, Now. We are all existing together as a singularity in one place and time. Everything is one, Here and Now. Your soul is the reflection of all souls. You are the Other. Without the other, you would not exist. You are defined by your relationships with others. You would need to describe the whole universe in order to define a single person. Therefore every single person is the whole universe. Your soul is both personal and universal at the same time. Everyone is a reflection of yourself. You are in a hall of mirrors where every reflection of yourself appears different. Others you admire reflect the qualities you most cherish in yourself. Others you detest reflect the qualities you most deny in yourself. Each person you see is a different version of you. The outer world is a mirror of yourself at any place and time. If you want to know the state of your personal consciousness, just look around and see what is happening to you. If you want to know the state of the collective consciousness, just look around at what is happening in the world. Your personal reality is synchronistically orchestrated by your sense of Self at all times. If a critical mass of people expressed their higher selves, they would cause a transformation in collective consciousness and the world reality. Every time a person rises in personal consciousness, he moves the state of the world towards a higher one than before. TRANSCENDENT WORLD: You are comfortable here when you can experience all possibilities. Your awareness is open. You are connected to the source. Your consciousness is merged with the mind of God. SUBTLE WORLD: You are comfortable here when you can hold on to your vision. You trust yourself to follow where the mind goes. You aren't bound up in resistance, objections, skepticism, and rigid beliefs. Inspiration occurs as a normal part of your existence. MATERIAL WORLD: You are comfortable with your personal reality. You take responsibility for it. You read the world as a reflection of who you are and what is happening "in here." As the reflection shifts and changes, you track the changes occurring inside yourself. If a white man was created by God, And if a black man was created by God, Black and white men are equal before God. If God is reality, And if reality is consciousness, Then God is consciousness The Need to Create, Discover, and Explore. God becomes a creative source. He gave us our birthright of curiosity. He remains unknowable, but he unfolds one secret after another in creation. At the far edge of the universe, the unknown is a challenge and a source of wonder. God wants us not to worship but to evolve. Our role is to discover and explore. Nature exists to provide endless mysteries that challenge our intelligence - there is always more to discover. This is your God if you live to explore and be creative, if you feel happiest confronting the unknown, if you have total confidence that nature can be unraveled, including human nature, as long as we keep questioning and never settle for fixed, preordained truth. God becomes pure wonder. After reason has reached the limits of understanding, the mystery remains. Sages, saints, and the divinely inspired have penetrated it. They have felt a divine presence that transcends everyday life. Materialism is an illusion. Creation was fashioned in two layers, the visible and the invisible. Miracles become real when everything is a miracle. To reach God, one must accept the reality of invisible things. Nature is a mask for the divine. This is your God if you are a spiritual seeker. You want to know what lies behind the mask of materialism, to find the source of healing, to experience peace, and to be in direct contact with a divine presence. Unity, the State Beyond All Needs. God becomes One. There is complete fulfillment because you have reached the goal of seeking. You experience the divine everywhere. The last hint of separation has vanished. You have no need to divide saint from sinner, because God imbues everything. In this state, you don't know the truth; you become it. The universe and every event in it are expressions of a single underlying Being, which is pure awareness, pure intelligence, and pure creativity. Nature is the outward form that consciousness takes as it unfolds in time and space. This is your God if you feel totally connected to your soul and your source. Your consciousness has expanded to embrace a cosmic perspective. You see everything happening in the mind of God. The ecstasy of great mystics, who seem especially gifted or chosen, now becomes available to you, because you have fully matured spiritually. The God that brings the scheme to an end, God as One, is different from the others. He isn't a projection. He signifies a state of total certainty and wonder, and if you reach that state, you are no longer projecting. Every need has been fulfilled; the path has ended with reality itself.

The work of patience, willpower and endurance cant be explained, it must be experienced. My work will remain my work. A patient can only encourage you to start your journey. The result is your hope, the beginning your faith. Love, like any attribute has 2 phases to deal with.

Going where no thinkers have gone before.

Hoping for eternal life is a pipe dream. And it leads people to live lives directed toward an end that will never come and to consider themselves and the whole human race as defective and fallen". Instead of loving our species and planning for its long term survival.

@brodygreene5918

Жыл бұрын

The two are not exclusive. Religious organizations are the first to contribute to natural disasters and charities.

@simonhibbs887

Жыл бұрын

@@brodygreene5918 This is an important point. as an atheist i don't believe this is any kind of argument for believing in religion, but the fact is religion is a powerful unifying social force that is very good at motivating action. Atheist criticisms of religion often focus on the negative aspects of that such as action motivated towards intolerance or suppression of freedoms, but it's absolutely true that it is very often motivated towards considerable social benefits and it's only fair to recognise that.

@johnnytass2111

Жыл бұрын

The question is what is our relationship with the Eternal...truth. love, justice, mercy. Whatever our behavior is that is a detriment to the future of our neighbors is in opposition to this relationship with the Eternal.

@longcastle4863

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnytass2111 I'm not sure what the "Eternal" is, but I agree with you in principle. However, I think we'd do better trying to have a loving relationship with our species; those alive now, but also special consideration should be given to the future members of our species -- maybe even thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of years into the future. Being glad for the wonders we might discover and experience as a species if we survive and become a species situated in a number of solar systems throughout the galaxy. Once that happens we can almost consider ourselves eternal.

@Bill..N

Жыл бұрын

I think the film "Logans run" clearly illustrates the futility and manipulation involved in religious cults..Peace..

Would an imortal life be one worth living?

Is the experience Paul had exclusive?? How many God like humans existe on earth now?? What's the aim behind all what has been said ?? Is going to the supposed heaven require all his complexity and ambiguity ???

@simonhibbs887

Жыл бұрын

"Is the experience Paul had exclusive?? " - Well, we know that the Bene Tleilax had created their own Kwisatz Haderach, his sister Alia had a lesser level of precognition, but also his son Leto gained the full sight and was known as the God Emperor but not on Earth. So.... oh sorry, wrong Paul.

The caterpillar / butterfly Analogy is a brilliant description of what happens to us when we depart if we’re with the lord. It makes perfect beautiful sense what Paul describe. I have always felt and believed this is ultimate reality. Unutterable in my mind has always meant - indescribable in the exact way you believe Paul meant it to be. We are caterpillars while here in the material world. To be with the lord, is to become that butterfly. Think about it caterpillars are born again when they emerge from the cocoon. Thankyou sir for perfectly illustrating this very important truth.😊👍

@TheShinedownfan21

Жыл бұрын

You aren't going to retain any thoughts or memories after you die, and therein your personal identity resides. Giving up your ego-- your awareness of self, your sense of "me"ness-- is what death is all about, and why some people fear it and fantasize about immortality.

@AlexLifeson1985

Жыл бұрын

@@TheShinedownfan21 you do not know that. It's a supposition based on lack of evidence to the contrary. Which is fine, but what you offer is an oppinion like everyone else.

@TheShinedownfan21

11 ай бұрын

@@AlexLifeson1985 The fact that all thoughts, memories and sense of personal identity disappear after death is based on conclusive proof that these things are dependent on brain function. People only fantasize that their ego will survive death because they are ignorant about what the ego really is and indulge in wishful thinking based on their instinct for self-preservation.

@AlexLifeson1985

11 ай бұрын

@@TheShinedownfan21 that is not a fact, only a supposition. Nobody has resolved the mind-body problem yet, so how can you possibly claim anything about it when the best and brightest are still debating the issue. The best you can say at the moment is that we simply do not know.

@TheShinedownfan21

11 ай бұрын

@@AlexLifeson1985 Just because you refuse to accept the facts doesn't make them go away. We still have a lot to learn about the psyche or individual personality, but we aren't completely ignorant about it either. The evidence is voluminous and conclusive, the ego cannot exist without functioning neurons, a brain, a nervous system or the biological processes that support them. If you prefer wish-fulfillment fantasies over knowledge, you're welcome to them.

🙂🌎⏳🙏♥️

The idea of Heaven is a world without irony.

@stefanovolpino8914

10 ай бұрын

exactly...discuss with those who have had experiences of nde

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Why would it be that our so called soul/spirit would go to a different dimension and would be any different from that what we already are/experience? For what reason? We are already souls/spirits with consiusiusness and a body If we die, the fuel to keep our soul/spirit/ consiousness (whatever you call it ) going, is no longer provided and therefore there will be no more awareness whatsoever. Before we were born there was no awareness and after we die this will be the same. Eternal rest/peace......

@b.v.437

3 ай бұрын

Hmmm 🤔

8:05 a transformed state of an unutterably high existence that is actually for Paul I think the purpose of God creating human beings. Paul believes that humans are destined to become these divine beings he really does as heretical as that sounds. [BTS pp says: three times God LORD directly intevene our current universe in the real void with same purpose to save His Fallen Son.]

It is better for us humans to consider seriously that we are created by the only one God for an eternal and immortal life with a perfect body and soul in a new creation a new earth and new sky a paradise as a reward for the believers for the non bellievers immortality is also guaranteed but at least for a while in hell.

@longcastle4863

Жыл бұрын

Everything you just said is why the majority of human beings (the religious ones) don't care that we are leading our species into extinction. Unfortunately all you haters of the human race are taking the rest of us down with you.

@TheShinedownfan21

Жыл бұрын

We all end up in the same state, our religious beliefs in life have no effect on anything after death. Heaven and Hell are just the carrot and stick by which religious leaders manipulate the gullible.

@ahmedbensebti4806

Жыл бұрын

@@TheShinedownfan21 There is a reason for the creation of heavens and earth.

@TheShinedownfan21

Жыл бұрын

@@ahmedbensebti4806 Nature doesn't need a reason to do as it does, it just happens. It has no more intentions than a dance done simply for the sake of dancing. The universe is not trying to achieve a goal and produces no final result, only continuous change. Some people try to project their own desires on the cosmos, and it is obvious why the unenlightened wish to escape death and live forever-- we have inherited a survival instinct from our evolutionary ancestors. The fundamentalist scenario where Earth is a testing ground to separate the few who go to Heaven from the many who go to Hell is a sadistic revenge fantasy for ignorant barbarians.

@ahmedbensebti4806

Жыл бұрын

@@TheShinedownfan21 I agree this naturalistic view is not illogical but for two main reasons it isn't a good explanation of existence first there is an obvious Design in all scales from the elementry particles to the whole cosmos and life the second heavy one is that God speaks to us through the three holy books of monotheism the AncientTestament the New Testament and the Quran.

Did you know that there is no inherent illumination or luminosity in photons? “Light,” as such, cannot be found there. Photons are, perhaps, ‘packets’ of energy which have the properties of both spread-out waves and localized particles. Photons only take on the appearance of being luminous as they arise within consciousness, in our mind’s eye. It may be that photons are spread-out energy potentials that fill the immensity of space, and only take on the appearance of being a localized discrete particle of “light” when we become aware of them in consciousness, in this actualized awareness we call mind. Thus, you are the light of the kosmos. This “light” is only arising in us. The world outside of a mind is perfectly ‘dark,’ or empty, unactualized in any way. Of course, what else could it be? What would perceive it as illuminated, or as any “thing”? All of our thoughts are the activity of consciousness, modulations of that consciousness, incarnations within that pure consciousness, rays shining from inside that consciousness. We are agents of that consciousness, emerging from within that consciousness. All there is to experience is the knowing of it, and that knowing is God’s own Self in us, living in us, the source of our life, the energy of consciousness itself. We could say that God lives in us, since consciousness seems to have become localized in this particular body-mind. Or we could say that we live in God, since all that we perceive arises in that consciousness, including our body-mind. Thus, Jesus was right to say, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:10-11, 20). Both are true, and they are true of us as well. We are arising within God, and God is arising within us as well. Sometimes this is called “mutual indwelling,” the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father, also called perichoresis or co-inherence in Christian terminology. God is the field of consciousness in which all knowing occurs, in which all thoughts and perceptions and feelings and sensations arise, like waves in the ocean. Our body-mind and its thoughts are like localizations within that consciousness, temporary manifestations of that Ultimate Reality, expressions of that consciousness, that being, that One. God becomes veiled and hidden from our awareness when the thoughts that arise in and from consciousness believe they are something separate and discrete from the consciousness in which they are arising. The thoughts form a separate entity, a dualistic subjective ego, a separate self identity, an independent being, an “Adam/Eve,” which thinks it is apart from infinite nondual divine consciousness and Ultimate Reality. This seems to be the “Fall,” the beginning of duality and separateness and alienation from God’s Presence. But how could thoughts be separate from the consciousness in which they have arisen? They can’t, but that is exactly what our thoughts and our self-identification with them think they are. It is a kind of psychological illusion. The thoughts take on their own separate identity apart from pure nondual consciousness, forming a self, a person, an entity, seemingly cut off from its own source and essence. Once we look at it like this, it seems impossible, and that is because it is. Our ‘self’ is never actually separate from the source in which it arises, thoughts are never separate from the consciousness in which they emerge, the wave is not separate from the ocean. The thoughts that make up our ‘self’ are just finite actualizations or relative localizations of the infinite potential of absolute consciousness, or Divine Being, or Ultimate Reality. In Christian symbolism we call this the incarnation of God. In Buddhism it is the Dharmakaya that incarnates as the Nirmanakaya Buddha. In Hinduism it is Brahman that manifests itself as each Atman. God becomes incarnate in reality, in the flesh, embodied, in us and all things. There is no time, no space, nowhere we can go, nowhere we can be, that will be outside of this Presence of God, outside of this consciousness, beyond the borders of God, or the Ultimate Reality. God is always present, and is Presence itself, awareness itself, consciousness itself, the “spirit of life” within us, from which we derive all being, all knowing, all our substance, every thought, every sensation. It all arises in God. This is perhaps why, in order to pierce the veil and know God directly, contemplative practices such as meditation help train us to transcend thought, to go back to the source of thought itself, beyond all thoughts of self, to recognize that from which it all arises, this pure open vastness of nondual unitive at-one consciousness. Do you see why we cannot “think” God? Nothing that arises in consciousness as a thought will be that consciousness in which it is arising. No relative finite manifestation in consciousness can be the absolute pure infinite consciousness, even though every manifestation or relativization or actualization of that consciousness is made up of nothing other than that consciousness. God is Present even while we are trying to comprehend God, even in the midst of that very comprehension. God is what makes that attempt at comprehension even possible. God is the very field in which we are trying to know God. When we let go of the trying, the conceptualization, surrendering the thoughts that are trying to know themselves, and rest in the pure still silent open awareness of being, that is when the realization of God may dawn on us, as us.

What does he mean the idea of being deified has been completely lost? It's literally standard belief among Orthodox Christians. To become by grace what God is by nature.

According the the ancient and very reasonable Vedic information, we as conscious beings, conscious energy, are already immortal. It is part of one's constitutional spiritual identity. Our spirit/soul is already god-like in it's essence in quality (pure spirit) - but not fully equal in the quantity of spiritual potency that is present in God as creator, or Source energy. In Sanskrit the distinction is described as the truth of the soul being "inconceivably one, yet different from God (Acintya-Beda-Abeda-Tattva) Therefore it is not a blasphemy consider oneself one with God - understanding the self is not Godhead as universal creator. As such, we can be small creators of things on earth, but we are not the creator of the cosmos. The small God-particle that we are, tends to get covered by a combination material elements when taking on a physical body on earth. That body was created by material desire (short version) but when spiritual desire replaces egoistic material desire, (witnessed as unconditional loving service to absolute truth as Godhead - again, short version) the immoral soul sheds the coverings of matter and it's original eternal consciousness is realized and remembered. At that point, one's will is aligned with the will of heaven or God, and one experiences the kingdom of God, even while embodied on earth - which may defy explanation with words being unable to fully represent or do justice to the experience. It's an individual process of internal self and God realization.

THE PARABLE OF THE GROWING SEED ~ MARK4:26-27 26. He also said, "This is what the kingdom of God is like. A man scatters seed on the ground. Night and day, whether he sleeps or gets up, the seed sprouts and grows, though he does not know how. THE PARABLE OF THE MUSTARD SEED 30. Again he said, "What shall we say the kingdom of God is like? 31. It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest seed you plant in the ground. Yet when planted, it grows and becomes the largest of all garden plants, with such big branches that the birds of the air can perch in its shade." THE PARABLE OF THE LOST SON ~ LUKE15:17 17. "When he came to his senses, he said, 'How many of my father's hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18. I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men. 'So he got up and went to his father. 22. "But the father said to his servants. 'Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 24. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again: he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate. THE PARABLE OF THE HIDDEN TREASURE AND THE PEARL! ~ MATT13: 44. "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field. 46. "Again the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. 47. When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it. THE PARABLE OF THE TENANTS ~ MARK 12: 2. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. But they seized, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed. 6."He had one left to send, a son, whom he loved. He sent him last of all, saying, 'They will respect my son.' 7. "But the tenants said to one another, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.' 8. So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard. 9. "What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others. 10. Haven't you read this scripture: "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, 11. the Lord has done this, and it is marvellous in our eyes" PETER'S CONFESSION OF CHRIST ~ LUKE 9: 18. Once when Jesus was praying in private and his disciples were with him, he asked them, "Who do the crowds say I am? 19. They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, that one of the prophets of long ago has come back to life." 20. "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Peter answered, "The Christ of God." 21. Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone. 22. And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life." 23. Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. 25. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? 26. If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. 27. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God." GOD'S CHOSEN SERVANT ~ MATTHEW 12: 6. I tell you that one greater than the temple is here. 7. If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the innocent. 8. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." 18. "Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations. THE PARABLE OF THE WEEDS EXPLAINED ~ MATTHEW 13: 36. Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field." 37. He answered. "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39. and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of age, and the harvesters are angels. 40. "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. LUKE 9:26 ~ If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. LUKE 10:22 ~ "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No-one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no-one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

I don't have eternal life. I am it.

@vm-bz1cd

Жыл бұрын

TAT TVAM ASI 😊

@TJ-kk5zf

11 ай бұрын

very zen

The question is what is our relationship with with the Eternal...truth, love, justice, mercy.

Sounds like Paul ate some good mushrooms!

Awareness is known by awareness alone.

@longcastle4863

Жыл бұрын

Isn't everything known by awareness alone?

@bretnetherton9273

6 ай бұрын

@@longcastle4863 If existence exist as something what is that something, and if existence exist as all things what knows all things?

Except evidence? Any at all?

@nothanksnoname7567

Жыл бұрын

You would have to have experiential evidence for it, otherwise it is kooky to you.

@SamoaVsEverybody814

Жыл бұрын

@@nothanksnoname7567 Umm personal experience isn't evidence. Real evidence must be coherently communicable.

@SamoaVsEverybody814

Жыл бұрын

@@saigopala Lol exactly, which is why I don't "BeLiEvE" in things 😂

@S3RAVA3LM

Жыл бұрын

When a light bulb blows, you screw in another, and light is had. The personality comes from the body, which dies, not the essence of man. Everything in nature is a mirror, and nothing in nature is in vein. Mirror - such as a city with its arteries, much like the body, brain, and veins. Of course, to understand what man truly is, you're going to have to go back to the origins; which is infinite regress. The fact that man can acknowledge: I AM. This is the proof. Because you cannot prove that there is no "I AM". I AM is what always was and will be. You can prove personality dies, and that isn't the essence of man, but the bodies. Doesn't matter what you believe. You're a punk. Take it, burn it, do what ya want with it. You lose.

@abelincoln8885

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Clown. The Function, Intelligence, Mind & Information Categories .. are the EVIDENCE ... proving ... the Universe & Life are Functions ... composed entirely of Functions ... and can only be made by an Unnatural, timeless, infinite Intelligence .. due to the INFORMATION every function possesses to exist & to function. Where is your evidence? That nature & natural processes can make, operate, improve, maintain & fine tune ... a Function ... 13.7 billions years ago or today? Newtonian Physics .. is actually ... Universal Functions which is the hypothesis for any Machine Analogy used to explain Creation of of the Universe (function) by God (Intelligence).

Immortality is simply like eternal awareness after a soul left its physical vessel but, this time, it is awareness of the spiritual world.

Does this happen to everyone? Or just those who believe in Jesus Christ?"

@cassiearrowood1471

11 ай бұрын

Those That Believe In Jesus HeavenThe ones That doesnt believe in Jesus Goes to opposite place he..

As I have already explained, there is only One Soul, One Being, One Essence. Some of you call this "God." This Single Essence "individulates" Itself as Everything in The Universe - in other words, All That Is. This includes all the sentinent beings of the universe, or what you have chosen to call souls. So "God" is every soul that "is"? Every soul that is now, ever was, and ever will be. So God is a "collective?" That's the word I chose, because it comes closest in your language to describing how things are. Not a single awesome being, but a collective? It doesn't have to be one or the other. Think "outside the box"! God is both? A single Awesome Being which is a collective of individualized parts? Good! Very good! And why did the collective come to Earth? To express itself in physicality. To know itself in its own experience. To be God. As I've already explained in detail in Book 1. You created us to be You? We did, indeed. That is exactly why you were created. And humans were created by a collective? Your own Bible said, "Let Us create man in Our image, and after Our likeness" before the translation was changed. Life is the process through which God creates Itself, and then experiences the creation. This process of creation is ongoing and eternal. It is happening all the "time." Relativity and physicallity are the tools with which God works. Pure energy (what you call spirit) is What God Is. This Essence is truly the Holy Spirit. By a process through which energy becomes matter, spirit is embodied in physicallity. This is done by the energy literally slowing itself down - changing its oscillation, or what you would call vibration. That Which Is All does this in parts. That is, parts of the whole do this. These individuations of spirit are what you have chosen to call souls. In truth, there is only One Soul, reshaping and reforming Itself. This might be called The Reformation. You are all Gods in Formation. (God's information!) That is your contribution, and it is sufficient unto itself. To put this simply, by taking physical form you have already done enough. I want, I need, nothing more. You have contrbuted to the common good. You have made it possible for that which is common - the One Common Element - to experience that which is good. Even you have written that God created the heavens and the Earth, and the animals who walk upon the land, and the birds of the air, and the fishes of the sea, and it was very good. "Good" does not--cannot--exist experientially without its opposite. Therefore have you also created evil, which is the backward motion, or opposite direction, of good. It is the opposite of life - and so have you created what you call death. Yet death does not exist in ultimate reality, but is merely a concoction, an invention, an imagined experience, through which life becomes more valued by you. Thus, "evil" is "live" spelled backward! So clever you are with language. You fold into it secret wisdoms that you do not even know are there. Now when you understand this entire cosmology, you comprehend the great truth. You could then never demand of another being that it give you something in return for your sharing the resources and necessities of physical life. First of all, the Divine is very close to children. She is not only a protection, but also a very intimate companion. A natural guide. Through the understanding in which children perceive things, it is fascinating to see and watch how much they know. Parents will have to ‘think outside the box’ by taking the back seat in the future; for the most obvious reasons. They (children) are non-dual by nature, which means that they do not see separation like we adults do. The spiritual awakening will open you up against the traditional filters and against common beliefs. Too many times a person will be reminded or inspired to become more child-like in other to understand the ideas of divinity. (The Old Souls And The Adepts: as it is). You are divine. You are free. You own nothing and nothing owns you. Beliefs on the other hand, limits you from this unconditional freedom. Belief, which harbours a certain fear, is limiting as long as belief remains dogmatic. A belief should always be inspired for change and evolution. The idea is to get closer to yourself through the idea of getting closer to God which resonates in your oneness with all things. This is a blessing, a natural divine gift of expression. We have to free our minds away from small mindedness and bigotry, to assume that we can control the outcome of others or situations. Believing that others must see or feel what we see or feel is also in a way, playing into the separation since we feel a certain way if and when others do not. This is the misconception of so many. Society and traditions itself have blindsided so many to not see the bigger picture. All is one; albeit different names, same meaning. When you were born; you were sent here as soul; uniquely so and as a personality. It is your responsibility to be who you are, rather than following the way society wants you to be. By focusing on your own inner being, you will bypass the illusion of separation, but you will still retain a personality, it’s just that the personality is not rigid and can be flexible to maximise its potential. The potential of which is liberating and keeps one from falling again into the delusion of separateness. Knowing that you are conscious in yourself will bypass a lot of programming, which at first may seems normal but nevertheless unnatural to the oneness in all things. To understand consciousness, let go of definitions and discrimination of all external appearances. To understand your divinity, forget about all identifications and all processes of validation. You cannot be anything other than divine. Just as a gold cannot be anything else but its own essence. Your essence is nothing short of purity. Now, unless you fail to grasp the truth of this statement, then all kinds of illusions are created to thwart a divine process which will eventually collapse on itself. In the end, there will be nothing left but the Awakening. Eventually everyone will ascend back to Source. May the joy of knowing yourself be with you always. Eternal peace.

This topic is of academic and historical interest, but it is about time that humanity put to rest the mythology of eternal life and the concept of immortality. There is no sense in which material, finite human beings, Homo sapiens, primate animals, will live in any way, shape, or form beyond physical death. Once you accept that fact, then you can begin living a fearless, joyful life.

@fortynine3225

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Without a soul and a heart all we are is a piece of meat with the ability to think. So there is no joy and love in such scenario not sure why you claim there would be. Over your head here maybe? Also we have no access scientifically to what is non natural. So it is a matter of personal opinion..in your case your personal materialist view.

@milktoast1847

Жыл бұрын

@@fortynine3225 Implying George is dumb because he has an opinion that makes you feel bad is a bit cringe duder.

@fortynine3225

Жыл бұрын

@@milktoast1847 The guy is obviously over his head ..is just a COLD observation. So now you folks do know all answers to everything you also know how everybody is feeling..just WOW. Anyway back to the topic. You cannot have it all. Or you have a heart and soul and all the love and joy that comes with that or you there is non such thing and love and joy is delusion. Make you pick stop being a halfbacked materialist.

@ianwaltham1854

Жыл бұрын

No, there are good reasons to suspect our consciousness is eternal. The lack of explanation for how brain activity could produce conscious experience has been talked about in many previous episodes of CTT. It is debatable whether or not eternal consciousness is a good thing. This is because it means the consequences of our actions effect us after the body dies so we need to watch what we do. Belief in materialism could make you happy to be free from such concerns or depressed by the realisation of impending oblivion in a harsh meaningless universe.

@milktoast1847

Жыл бұрын

First, I'm agnostic in regards to the nature consciousness. However, materialists have more support for their theories. You're not making a cold observation, you're making an assertion based on intuition. Prove that love and joy exist in nature without the brain before using them to claim materialism is false

Doesn't sound heretical at all! All things are possible to them that believe.

I think other self-aware primates and animals should have been INCLUDED in God's grand plan...

@longcastle4863

Жыл бұрын

They're included as much as we are; which is not at all ; _)_

@dare-er7sw

Жыл бұрын

Every living creature will be saved. Resurrection is nonsense. We are not these bodies but spirit (consciousness).

@Bill..N

Жыл бұрын

@longcastle4863 That is exactly the implication I was suggesting, friend..

Heaven is irony.

@johnnytass2111

Жыл бұрын

How so?

Resurrection form the dead means total self realisation, also refered to as enlightenment..it is basically alchemy.. has little to do with literally raising from the dead.

@S3RAVA3LM

Жыл бұрын

True. Embodiment is death because of ignorance. Liberation is self-realization. I don't think the materialists can fathom it. They identify with personality, thus the body. They don't understand what enlivens the physical.

Yes, to become holy sons and daughters of God, that's why we are here to learn and experience good and evil. Genesis 3:22 King James Version 22 And the Lord God said, *Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:* and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 1 Corinthians 15:52 King James Version 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

@treasurepoem

Жыл бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 God doesn't lie. God knows both good and evil because he created both good and evil (Isaiah 45:7 below) and everything else that exists, including abstract things like numbers. So, you're saying that you don't know both good and evil? Where's the lie? Now, if you mean Adam and Eve, were they not created by God to eventually know both good and evil? God didn't put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil right in the center of the garden and made it desirable for no reason at all. He also let Satan into the garden and allowed him to communicated and lie to God's creation. It's a timing issue and not about God lying. God also said: Genesis 2:17 King James Version 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Adam lived to be 930 years old but the bible also tells us: 2 Peter 3:8 “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” im·age 1. a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art. "her work juxtaposed images from serious and popular art" 2. the general impression that a person, organization, or product presents to the public. "she strives to project an image of youth" An image is a *visual representation* of something and in this case God. In Genesis God would usually say that what he created was good but he didn't specifically say that after creating man because God created man in his image on earth but he hasn't yet completed making man into his spiritual and holy image. We can't be made into his spiritual and holy image without first experiencing both good and evil here on earth. Isaiah 45:7 King James Version 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

@treasurepoem

Жыл бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 The exact time of when God created things is not given but it makes sense to think that God did it in steps. Like in the verses before and after the verse you gave. Genesis 1:26 King James Version 26 And God said, Let us *make* man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Make not CREATED. Adam and Eve where created and lived in the Garden of Eden before they ever knew anything about the fish in the sea or cattle which they knew LATER. So, this alone shows that their God given abilities were known to them later just like their knowledge of good and evil. Did God create all the *various kinds* of dogs *all at one time* or over a period of time? Didn't all the modern dogs come from wolves over a period of time? Yet, God could still say that he created all those kinds of dogs. You're not taking time into consideration in God's creation of Adam and Eve. Genesis 1:28 King James Version 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. God made Adam and Eve in his image which according to you would have to mean that God himself can multiply and replenish the earth with himself. I disagree and again I'll say that they were physically created in God's image. image 1. *a representation of the external form of a person or thing* in art. external 1. belonging to or forming the outer surface or structure of something. "the external walls" ...To say otherwise, or try to rationalize it illogically, is not going to work with me... You are close minded and think that you understand the bible very well, when actually you don't. You say that the OT is full of contradictions *yet you didn't mention one.* Just because there are different viewpoints that give additional information doesn't make them contradictory. ...God is unified and knows only good... Unified is not found anywhere in the bible. Although God is GOOD, He nonetheless has a knowledge and understanding of both good AND EVIL. You don't seem to understand the bible even after I gave you a verse that shows that God knows good AND EVIL. Here it is again: Genesis 3:22 King James Version 22 And the Lord God said, Behold, *the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:* and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

@treasurepoem

Жыл бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 A story can be true so the greatest true story ever told is just a true story :) If you think that the bible is a book of fiction then do you also believe that the big bang is fiction because in the very first sentence of the bible God explains that he created, time, space and matter (the Big Bang). Our scientist discovered the Big Bang almost 2000 years after God told us about it in his greatest story book. God also told us and the scientists that the universe isn't static as they used to believe but it's expanding. Scientists finally figured it out on their own in the early 1900's. Isaiah 40:22 King James Version 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; *that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out* as a tent to dwell in: Have you ever considered that God wrote the bible through sinful men so that he could test who would believe in him? Where does life come from? Life can only come from life and that comes from the life giver, God Almighty. Life doesn't come from material matter. The human brain wasn't made by itself or by some unintelligent power. How to you explain where everything came from including consciousness? You can even come up with a fictional story if you like :)

What do we do in heaven; sit around singing Kumbaya?

@TheDeepening718

Жыл бұрын

What the fuck do we do right now?

@gettaasteroid4650

Жыл бұрын

Being in the right place at the right time requires long moments of boredom, passed in grey spaces - Edouard Leve

@TheDeepening718

Жыл бұрын

@@gettaasteroid4650 Being in the right place requires an idea of wrong place. Logic is not separate from desire.

@gettaasteroid4650

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDeepening718 Sorry but Heaven favors good desires -Cervantes

@TheDeepening718

Жыл бұрын

@@gettaasteroid4650 Heaven isn't a place and if only some people are going to make it there, it can't be worth much of anything. If you lack compassion, you won't understand these words. You don't lack compassion do you?

I really don't know why anyone would want eternal life. Who wants to exist forever?

@PeterS123101

Жыл бұрын

Probably everyone?

@longcastle4863

Жыл бұрын

Maybe if we get to take million year naps and just wake up for the good stuff.

@simonhibbs887

Жыл бұрын

I'm with Sergeant Rasczak.

@Dion_Mustard

Жыл бұрын

thats a silly thing to say.

@simonhibbs887

Жыл бұрын

@@Dion_Mustard I’m not sure that it is. Suppose eternal life isn’t optional and souks are compulsorily eternal. There’s a risk such an existence would eventually become unbearable, in which case you’d be stuck like that literally forever. A finite lifespan is also an impulse to action.

Metaphysics We are sparks placed here for a brief moment to accumulate light and warmth (love) so that we can become as bright of a star as we can be...shining in heaven (joy, beauty and harmony). Good (god) knows every star by name. If we extinguish our light and warmth (love) with "greed"and its ignorance (hate)...we become the darkness and emptiness that surrounds the stars. A very cold, dark, lonely place to be...for eternity.

@longcastle4863

Жыл бұрын

Please tell me how Christian are beacons of light with all their hate against the LGBTQ community?

The Human Mind cannot Understand God's Ways 1The angel Uriel, who had been sent to me, replied, 2“You can't even understand what happens in this world. Do you think you can understand the ways of God Most High?” 3“Yes, sir, I do!” I answered. The angel continued, “I have been sent to ask you to solve three riddles about what happens in this world. 4If you can explain even one of them to me, I will answer your questions about God's ways and teach you why the human race has an evil impulse.” 5“I agree, sir,” I said. Then he said to me, “Good! How do you weigh out a kilogramme of fire? How do you measure a cubic metre of wind? How do you bring back a day that has passed?” 6I answered, “Why do you ask me such questions? No human being could answer them.” 7Then he said, “What if I had asked you how many dwelling places there are at the bottom of the sea? How many rivers flow into the waters beneath the earth? How many rivers are there above the dome of the sky? Where are the exits from the world of the dead? Where are the entrances to Paradise? 8If I had asked you these questions, you might have answered, ‘I have never gone down into the waters beneath the earth, and I have never entered the world of the dead. I have never gone up to heaven.’ 9But all I have asked you about is fire, wind, and the day that has just passed - things that you have experienced. Yet you have given me no answer. 10You can't even understand things that you have been familiar with since you were a child. 11How then can your little mind understand the ways of God Most High? Can one already worn down by this corrupt world understand the ways of the incorruptible God?” When I heard this, I fell face downwards on the ground 12and said to him, “It would have been better if we had never been born than to have to live in a world of sin and suffering without understanding why things happen as they do.” 13The angel Uriel answered, “I once went into the woods and heard the trees plotting together. 14They were saying, ‘Let's go to war against the sea and push it back, so that we may have more room.’ 15But the waves of the sea also plotted together and said, ‘Let's conquer the woods and extend our territory.’ 16But all the plotting of the trees was useless because fire came and destroyed them. 17And the plotting of the sea was just as useless because the sand stood firm and blocked its advance. 18Now, if you were the judge and had to decide between them, which would you pronounce right?” 19I replied, “They were both wrong, because trees belong to the land, and waves belong in the sea.” 20“You have given the right answer,” he said. “So why can't you see the answer to your own problems? 21For just as trees have their place on land, and waves have their place in the sea, so the people of this world can understand only what goes on in this world, and only heavenly beings can understand what goes on in heaven.” The End of the Age 22“Please tell me, sir,” I asked, “why then was I given the ability to understand anything? 23I am not interested in asking questions about what goes on in the heavens; I am only concerned about things that go on about us. Why has God allowed Israel to be disgraced by foreign nations? Why has he let the nation he loves be handed over to the power of godless nations? Why do the Law and the covenant that were given to our ancestors mean nothing any more? 24Why do we die as quickly as insects? Why is our life shorter than a breath? Why does God think us unworthy of his mercy? 25Why doesn't God do something to help his own people? These are the questions that I want to ask.” 26Uriel answered, “If you live long enough, you will be surprised at what you will see, because this age is rapidly passing away. 27This age is so full of misery and imperfection that it cannot hold all the blessings that God has promised the righteous in the time to come. 28The evil about which you have asked me has already been planted, but the time for its harvesting has not yet arrived. 29This evil must be harvested, and this world where it was planted must be removed, before the new age where the good is to be planted can appear. 30At the beginning of time one grain of evil seed was sown in the heart of Adam. See how much wickedness it has already produced! Think how much more it will produce before it is cut down and threshed out at Judgement Day. 31You can see for yourself what a big crop this one evil seed has produced. 32How terrible will be the harvest on Judgement Day when these countless ears of corn are threshed out!” 33Then I asked, “How long do we have to wait before this happens? Why are our lives so short and full of misery?” 34Uriel answered, “Don't be in a greater hurry than God Most High! You are thinking only of yourself, but God has to be concerned about everybody. 35Your questions are the same ones asked by the souls of the righteous dead in the places where God is keeping them waiting: ‘How long must we wait here? When will the day of judgement come, when we will get our reward?’ 36The archangel Jeremiel answers them, ‘It will happen as soon as the complete number of those who have suffered as you have are here. For God has weighed this age, 37measured the years, and numbered the days. Nothing will be changed until time has run its predetermined course.’ ” 38“But, sir,” I replied, “all of us here on earth are such wicked sinners. 39Is it possible that because of our sin the righteous dead are having to wait for their reward?” 40His answer was, “Can a pregnant woman keep her child from being born after her nine months are up?” 41“No, sir, she cannot,” I answered. And he continued, “In the world of the dead, the place where God has stored the souls is like a womb. 42It is as eager to return the souls entrusted to it from the beginning of the world as a woman is to end her labour pains. 43When that happens, you will have the answer to all your questions.” 44“Please, sir,” I asked, “if you think I am able to understand it, can you 45tell me one more thing? Is the time that is still to come longer than the past that has already gone by? 46I know how long the past has been, but I don't know the future.” 47“Come here and stand at my right,” he commanded, “and I will show you a vision and explain its meaning.” 48So I stood by him and looked, and I saw a blazing fire pass by in front of me, and when it was gone, I saw that smoke was still there. 49Then a rain cloud passed by in front of me, bringing a heavy downpour of rain; and when the downpour was over, there was still a light rain. 50“Think about this,” said Uriel. “Just as the downpour was greater than the light rain that followed it and the fire was greater than the smoke left behind, in the same way the time that has passed is much longer than the time to come. The time that is left is like the rain and the smoke.” The Signs of the End 51“Please tell me,” I asked, “do you think I will be alive until that time? If not, who will be alive when it happens?” 52He answered, “I can tell you some of the signs of the end, if that is what you are asking about; but I am not here to tell you how long you will live, and in any case, I don't know. Previous chapter (2 Esdras 3)

I know I am immortal. Was born and never die. Found it when contemplating at my mother's coffin. I can prove it in simple logic. Is this the correct stage deserved for such exceptional proof? Would you like to know how to be immortal?

Soul is data. Self is what knows data.

i have 100 age health ahead and can relapse that with double life well yeh

The way to leave the carnival and enter the real world is simply to be done playing games you can't win. Carnival = Life Real world = Heaven

🤔…… 4:07 - 5:06 …..perhaps this was an NDE for Paul?

This conversation needs flat earth.

We come from God, like an image, getting less and less. By returning, we get more and more.

God Sri Krishna says that this material world is a prison , we are not material we are soul but we are live in this material body so we experience suffering that's why we have to try free this material shackle.

@longcastle4863

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Every religion teaches that human beings are in some way defective or "fallen' and only have hope for happiness in some imaginary afterlife. It's why we are moving toward destroying ourselves as a species and don't care about that. And why we are not taking care to keep our planet a viable living situation. Religion teaches humans to not love themselves or their species. We are seeing the results of this destructive experiment of religion in human culture. By their fruits you shall know them.

@kos-mos1127

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There was a no such thing as the material world. There is only The World.

@nothanksnoname7567

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Gnostics thought the same way. Although there were many schools of thought with them.

Tabor has had ample time, experience and resources to perfect the Christian narrative and has cloaked his presentations with both language and a demeanour that now has the embrace of the choir. But it ends there I’m afraid.

We are all going to live one way or another. What kind of legacy do we want to have forever? Are we going to face eternity with all of the evil things we do haunting us forever? Or are we going to face eternity with a clear conscience having promoted the absolute truth all the time? It's what theology is all about, knowing and benefiting yourself and others with the absolute truth. The absolute truth is that only our Creator can perfectly cover for us Himself and remake us again from the inside out by the power of His true word as no one else ever can. There is no other absolute knowledge or science.

@longcastle4863

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Oh gee. I thought theology was all about identifying the groups of others we should hate. You people romanticize religion. It's been a horribly destructive idea for our species since its inception -- when almost immediately people moved toward sacrificing their children on alters to appease whatever God they came up with to believe in.

@GeorgieKiely

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Geez... You always have the worst takes on these videos.

@JungleJargon

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@@GeorgieKiely You should try to like actually say something relevant to the discussion.

Immortality? People don't even use the little time we have wisely. With immortality you'd be wasting an immense amount of time.

@douglinze4177

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The converted Science and Vortex Math into religion, based on frequencies, 3168 is one…

Im sorry but it sounds a bit silly and childish. We know when the American Indians heard thunder they would run and hide because they did not understand it. Paul would have had much less knowledge than native Americans had. Why would you listen to a report claimed to be made by a person with no proof that it came from their mouth. If it did come from their mouth why would you believe the account when you know this person had no understanding of how the universe operates. To me it is very sad and a bit foolish. If someone reported the same thing today, would you base your belief system on one mans account, foolish and ubsured.

You are interpreting it wrongly. If I gave you the syntax, your white bears will leave you. James, all of your interpretation are so wrong, i just could not hold myself back to say so.

Don’t get bogged down in history of theology and what is “resurrection”. Theologians make things complicated. Just look at the THOUSANDS of reports from people who have had what we call “Near Death Experiences”. They speak of having a new body of a different form than their earthly body. They speak of being in a new reality (what might have been referred to as a New Earth back then), and of experiences so amazing that they are beyond what words can express. Sounds like what Tabor is talking about here. Think of Heaven as a parallel universe, existing on different dimensions than our universe, with different laws of physics.

@markb3786

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Capitalizing "thousands" doesn't negate the fact that these are "near-death experiences" and not "death experiences"

@gordonquimby8907

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@@markb3786 I say that we call them "Near Death" because they really are experiences of being dead, but the person is then revivied. Our society just doesn't like saying that the people were dead, which you might call a "Death Experience".

@longcastle4863

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Near death experiences are an interesting phenomenon, but I doubt it has anything to do with life after death. I never looked this subject up, but my best guess is the experience likely has something to do with brain made opiates flooding our system as our brain begins to die.

@S3RAVA3LM

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I looked a little bit into this. Like the video: UVA 50 years of research into life after death. It certainly can not be ignored.

@abelincoln8885

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The Bible is clear. The Universe & Earth will be destroyed at Judgement Day ... which is in the year 7 000 for those alive on Earth. There is not time ... in Heaven or Hell. This is why Jesus said you must always be ready for His return ... 2000 years ago ... because you do not know the day or hour ... you die. If you actually die .. you will either go to Heaven or Hell ... via Judgement Day. So Believers see the new Heaven & Earth. We know Jesus is returning in the year 6 000 since the fall of Man .. but were do not known the year Adam & Eve sinned .. but can only make guesses from the Bible. The current Jewish year is 5783 ( a guess) ... and .. some Christians believe Jesus is returning in the year 2030 (guess) and don't realize there is not time in Heaven & Hell ... and ... Man has 7 x 1000 years including the Milliennium Reigh ... to procreate the Children of God. When Jesus returns ... in the year 6 000 ... to rule the Earth for 1000 years with ONLY the 144 000 male virgin Jews murdered in end times believing in the Son of God. All the dead & living Believers ... join Jesus in Heaven ... forever as part of the 1st Resurrection. Jesus and the 144 000 .. is ruling over the unbelieving SURVIVORS of he tribulation. Over the next 1000 years there will be more believers ... procreated ... and by the year 7 000 there will be no more people who will accept Jesus as Lord & savior .. therefore God can now Judge Mankind. And on Judgement day in the year 7000 ... is the 2nd resurrection ... where the dead rise first ( when they died) and then the living. Beware of anti-Christ teaching of ... pretrib rapture, once saved always saved .. and .. punishment forever in Hell. God created Hell to punish fallen Angels forever ... and .. destroy the sinful soul .. in 3 days. The soul is like the body .. and can feel pain. Sinners will be tortured for 3 (earth) days by powerful demons .. before they souls are finally destroyed. Jesus had to endure this torture ... and ... not sin ... which is why He was fearful of what was to come for Him .. and said ... "not my will, but thine be done." But God made salvation simple & easy. You only need to sincerely believe in the life, death & resurrection of God's only begotten Son ... but stay on the narrow path ... & .. don't be lead astray by Man's ways.

As soon as he said "be in another dimension".... I was out.

Patterns arise within large numbers of seemingly random events: funny how gray haired white men are the closest to the truth.

@longcastle4863

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Funny how? ; _)_

@b.g.5869

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Racists see everything through the lens of race. Normal people see two people having a conversation. You see two grey haired white guys.

I do not understand why anyone would want eternal life and immortality. On the surface level it sounds great but once one looks deeper the worst eternal life looks.

@nothanksnoname7567

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On this hellish plane? Yeah, eternity would be mad to accept.

@kos-mos1127

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@@nothanksnoname7567 Being in paradise for an eternity would get boring because of eternal stagnation.

We are all going to die. The concept of a soul is nonsense.

@nothanksnoname7567

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The physical is not all there is.

@S3RAVA3LM

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What is we?

@abelincoln8885

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Our bodies are all going to cease to ... Function. The concept of Natural processes making, operating, improving, maintaining & fine tuning a physical Function 13.7 billion years ago or today ... is nonsense.

@Dion_Mustard

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nothing to do with the soul. consciousness is the key. and consciousness cannot be destroyed.

Good day. From my perspective, an exposition or philosophical system is very important; that of dialectic and hardcore Reason or via negativa. I made my own metaphor: 'Of an artwork, consisting of forms, colors, natures, contrasts, and either is attractive or repulsive, both from the viewers standpoint and therein the work itself - is it harmonious or incongruent. There is something that relates all of these things, unites all of them in 'mind' of this artwork; this substratum, concerning the relations of the forms, colors, natures and contrasts, is the canvas, that is, the Soul. Had it not been for the canvas, there'd be no forms, colors, natures, nor could there be relations or unity. This creation, that is the artwork, that substratum as canvas, alludes to the Intellect - this implies the artificer. GOD, the artificer, the Intellect, the Platonic realm, the intelligible realities - this artificer is not outside the artwork, is most certainly the substrata of ALL. The forms life or existence is upon the canvas, that is their true essence, and that life that comes through, enlivening the forms emanating through the canvas is GOD. They teach if you look within this be revealed. The eternal life is here and now. The kingdom is within. "Wherever the Soul is, GOD is there; wherever GOD is, the Soul is". - Bible "GOD is Love, and he who dwells in Love, dwells in GOD, and GOD in him". - Bible "I am in my father, you are in me, and I in you". - Bible "Atman is in Brahman, jiva is in atman, and atman is in the jiva". - Bible/Upanishads "THAT ART THOU" - Upanishads "I AM" - Bible

Immortality is a truly horrifying prospect. Eventually you'd beg to become mortal and kick the bucket for good. Not interested; no sale.

Lets correct you...Jesus is God, not created like man is a created being. We will be transformed and glorified from our current state but we will never be equal with God.

@Invisigoth423

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Let’s correct you. There is no evidence whatsoever for god. When you die you will not be transported into a magic place in the sky. You will cease to be and the world will go on without you until the sun envelopes the earth and wipes out humanity. Then the universe will never know you existed.

Imagining just 2 million years ahead seems extremely boring.

@ianwaltham1854

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Don't do it then.

@abelincoln8885

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Less than 217. God of the Jews & Christians ... always knew it would take 7 x 1000 years to save the Children of God (Jesus) from the Children of Man (Adam) .. which is why there was a 6 day Creation with the 7th day belonging to God .. and ... 1 day is equal to a year or 1000 years depending on the prophesy in the Bible. We know Jesus returns in the year 6 000 .. since the Fall of Man ... to rule for 1 000 years with 144 000 male virgin Jews ... MURDERED in End Times believing in the Son of God. We do not know when Adam & Even sinned .. starting the count down (time) & laws of Nature ... but can make guesses from the Bible. The current Jewish year ( a guess) is ... 5 783. But some Christians believe the year 6 000 is ... 2030 ... which is exactly 2 000 years after the death of Jesus which is again, a guess. The Jewish Bible ... actually states the Jews will reject the Messiah and be cursed by God for their sin, ... the Messiah is the Son of God sent to be a sin sacrifice to satisfy God's just nature .... the Messiah will die 40 years before the Temple is destroyed ... and in end times ... the Jews will return to Israel ... return to God ... and finally repent their sins and accept God's only begotten Son as their Messiah. Again. God told us in Genesis ... His complete 7 x 1000 year ... Salvation plan. Jesus name ... is actually Yeshua ... which means ... "salvation."

As I have already explained, there is only One Soul, One Being, One Essence. Some of you call this "God." This Single Essence "individulates" Itself as Everything in The Universe - in other words, All That Is. This includes all the sentinent beings of the universe, or what you have chosen to call souls. So "God" is every soul that "is"? Every soul that is now, ever was, and ever will be. So God is a "collective?" That's the word I chose, because it comes closest in your language to describing how things are. Not a single awesome being, but a collective? It doesn't have to be one or the other. Think "outside the box"! God is both? A single Awesome Being which is a collective of individualized parts? Good! Very good! And why did the collective come to Earth? To express itself in physicality. To know itself in its own experience. To be God. As I've already explained in detail in Book 1. You created us to be You? We did, indeed. That is exactly why you were created. And humans were created by a collective? Your own Bible said, "Let Us create man in Our image, and after Our likeness" before the translation was changed. Life is the process through which God creates Itself, and then experiences the creation. This process of creation is ongoing and eternal. It is happening all the "time." Relativity and physicallity are the tools with which God works. Pure energy (what you call spirit) is What God Is. This Essence is truly the Holy Spirit. By a process through which energy becomes matter, spirit is embodied in physicallity. This is done by the energy literally slowing itself down - changing its oscillation, or what you would call vibration. That Which Is All does this in parts. That is, parts of the whole do this. These individuations of spirit are what you have chosen to call souls. In truth, there is only One Soul, reshaping and reforming Itself. This might be called The Reformation. You are all Gods in Formation. (God's information!) That is your contribution, and it is sufficient unto itself. To put this simply, by taking physical form you have already done enough. I want, I need, nothing more. You have contrbuted to the common good. You have made it possible for that which is common - the One Common Element - to experience that which is good. Even you have written that God created the heavens and the Earth, and the animals who walk upon the land, and the birds of the air, and the fishes of the sea, and it was very good. "Good" does not--cannot--exist experientially without its opposite. Therefore have you also created evil, which is the backward motion, or opposite direction, of good. It is the opposite of life - and so have you created what you call death. Yet death does not exist in ultimate reality, but is merely a concoction, an invention, an imagined experience, through which life becomes more valued by you. Thus, "evil" is "live" spelled backward! So clever you are with language. You fold into it secret wisdoms that you do not even know are there. Now when you understand this entire cosmology, you comprehend the great truth. You could then never demand of another being that it give you something in return for your sharing the resources and necessities of physical life. First of all, the Divine is very close to children. She is not only a protection, but also a very intimate companion. A natural guide. Through the understanding in which children perceive things, it is fascinating to see and watch how much they know. Parents will have to ‘think outside the box’ by taking the back seat in the future; for the most obvious reasons. They (children) are non-dual by nature, which means that they do not see separation like we adults do. The spiritual awakening will open you up against the traditional filters and against common beliefs. Too many times a person will be reminded or inspired to become more child-like in other to understand the ideas of divinity. (The Old Souls And The Adepts: as it is). You are divine. You are free. You own nothing and nothing owns you. Beliefs on the other hand, limits you from this unconditional freedom. Belief, which harbours a certain fear, is limiting as long as belief remains dogmatic. A belief should always be inspired for change and evolution. The idea is to get closer to yourself through the idea of getting closer to God which resonates in your oneness with all things. This is a blessing, a natural divine gift of expression. We have to free our minds away from small mindedness and bigotry, to assume that we can control the outcome of others or situations. Believing that others must see or feel what we see or feel is also in a way, playing into the separation since we feel a certain way if and when others do not. This is the misconception of so many. Society and traditions itself have blindsided so many to not see the bigger picture. All is one; albeit different names, same meaning. When you were born; you were sent here as soul; uniquely so and as a personality. It is your responsibility to be who you are, rather than following the way society wants you to be. By focusing on your own inner being, you will bypass the illusion of separation, but you will still retain a personality, it’s just that the personality is not rigid and can be flexible to maximise its potential. The potential of which is liberating and keeps one from falling again into the delusion of separateness. Knowing that you are conscious in yourself will bypass a lot of programming, which at first may seems normal but nevertheless unnatural to the oneness in all things. To understand consciousness, let go of definitions and discrimination of all external appearances. To understand your divinity, forget about all identifications and all processes of validation. You cannot be anything other than divine. Just as a gold cannot be anything else but its own essence. Your essence is nothing short of purity. Now, unless you fail to grasp the truth of this statement, then all kinds of illusions are created to thwart a divine process which will eventually collapse on itself. In the end, there will be nothing left but the Awakening. Eventually everyone will ascend back to Source. May the joy of knowing yourself be with you always. Eternal peace.