I was going out with a girl from Leeds at the time. The tension in the bars and night clubs was palpable . Many years later a chap worked for me (ex senior cop) who was a big friend of George Oldfield. He said that Oldfield could never forgive himself being side tracked by that false tape recording. It effectively broke him.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes so I understand

@Frenchblue8

7 ай бұрын

So so sad

@RigsbyPiggyBoy

4 ай бұрын

we all make mega miastakes but it wasnt all his fault, his officers had come accross sutclif before but ignored it

“Might have been nipped in the bud”. It made me think that we actually don’t know how many serial killers who were stopped in their early careers and serve long sentences now, instead of killing people. A quite unsettling thought.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes and how many were missed by police blunders

@Legionmint7091

8 ай бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Quite terrifying to think of.

Police prejudice , arrogance ,bias and incompetence was enough on its own to never finding Sutcliffe and after the Weir side Jack tape they would have never caught him if it wasn't for a stroke of luck that had nothing to do with the investigation . Yes the two cases have some striking similarities in all aspects but the most important one being the Murderer had already slipped through their hands and both investigations were heading further and further away in the wrong direction .Great Video Edward ..... can i add Lechmere also had a reasonable excuse if challenged for using the wrong surname and i think he knew this and felt comfortable with it where as Sutcliffe never .

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Good points

I've read a number of books on this and the Yorkshire police buggered this up beyond all comprehension in virtually every aspect.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes the police at not good at serial murders

@One.DeSanctis.

8 ай бұрын

Having all of that paperwork and no database made it almost impossible for the police to make tactical decisions based upon previous policing. Failure of technology/inability to make use of all the interviews meant there was not much learning as the case went along. I've only watched documentaries on Sutcliffe, so I might simply be saying what the BBC edited for. (Idiot American, here) Filtering for variables in a cheap laptop today? Sutcliffe would have been taken out much sooner. Yes, the fact the police did not (or could not) capitalize on the 4+ years of manpower hours is a disastrous fumble. Do you think better technology's or a database to sort and identify all of that paperwork would have helped, or were the police too set in their assumptions/expectations to be helped?

@kristenelizabethdraws

8 ай бұрын

Or they played their part perfectly, according to orders.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

​@@One.DeSanctis. Technology wouldn't help with a blinkered approach refusing to acceot certain witness accounts and jumping to false conclusions.

@christopherwright4573

8 ай бұрын

With hindsight in no way was Sutcliffe ever going to be caught by the investigation ever , it only had one use in the end and that was to confirm he was the killer when he was apprehended fortuitously.

The worst part is that, even today, if you were to ask 1,000 random citizens to describe the characteristics of somebody that would commit serial murder, the vast majority of responses would be along the lines of misfit, local weirdo, raving lunatic etc.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

Ай бұрын

Probably

@stuleitner7078

22 күн бұрын

Don`t always overlook the local weird as sometimes it is.

An excellent Sunday evening episode Ed. I binge watched all seven episodes of The Long Shadow last week. It's a terrific dramatisation. We have mentioned the striking similarities between Jack The Ripper and The Yorkshire Ripper a number of times before. Id overlooked that Sutcliffe gave a false name (albeit with family connections), just as Lechmere did at the inquest. Very interesting similarity there. Great stuff!

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

@lyndoncmp5751

8 ай бұрын

✌️👍

History does not repeat itself but, it certainly rhymes

Whitechapel London & Chapeltown Leeds is another uncanny coincidence

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

I hadn't noticed that

Fascinating video, Ed - so intriguing that the same archetypal behaviour occurs decades and decades apart (police as well as criminals!).

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes and in case after case.

Thank you another brilliant video, I love how you bring it all together.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

So nice of you

I haven't seen "The Long Shadow", but I have seen an excellent 1999 documentary about Peter Sutcliffe called "Manhunt: The Search for the Yorkshire Ripper" and was consistently flabbergasted at how the authorities kept overlooking Sutcliffe - it's as though he was right under their noses the entire time and yet they didn't seem to put two and two together. Their disregard for the accounts of survivors who weren't prostitutes, somehow inexplicably failing to notice the uncanny similarities between Sutcliffe and photofits and then allowing themselves to get horrifically sidetracked by the Wearside Jack tape, all of which led to further victims. And in the end, it was two patrol constables (one being a rookie) who finally cuffed him.

@ErnaldtheSaxon

8 ай бұрын

You can see why Lechmere got overlooked too. Especially with the "Leather apron scare"

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes the police investigation was a horror story

@walkawaycat431

8 ай бұрын

Yes. Gary Ridgeway as well.

I remember Jean Jordan who was found by the actor who played Les Batersby. My Mother ran a shop and i can remember being very wary of any male customers coming in for beer late at night. That wearsider who sent in the hoax tape caused the deaths of at least 3 more victims.

@One.DeSanctis.

8 ай бұрын

I'm glad that hoaxer finally spent time in jail for his aid to Sutcliffe. Terrible person

@lyndoncmp5751

8 ай бұрын

Im not sure. It's not as if the police were closing in on Sutcliffe just before the tape arrived. I think they still would have overlooked him. They hadn't caught him after his first ten murders and several other attacks.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Or the idiocy of the police believing a load of nonsense from an alcoholic loser caused the deaths

@kevinkenny6975

8 ай бұрын

​@@johnjones-eu1rv Maybrick?

I was a student in Manchester at the time of the Yorkshire Ripper. No more going out on your own at night or hitch hiking with friends. Women were scared off the streets by that brute. I'm pretty sure that there was speculation that he was a lorry driver at the time. The police were far more useless than we realised. What a bunch of idiots. The parallels with Lechmere are remarkable. They had fewer tools at their disposal but the police had a fixation with how they imagined him - a toff visiting the East End, a deranged man, a foreigner, that allowed Lechmere to stay under the radar.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes - good points

@RigsbyPiggyBoy

4 ай бұрын

YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE OF THE CID AT THE TIME!

What a superb episode. Thank you so very much for bringing us such fascinating and brilliantly made programmes, it's genuinely appreciated.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

I remember as a very small child how nuch fesyr the Yorkshire Ripper case caused. Our house backed on to a lorry depot and my dad worked nights. My mother was absolutely terrified every night.

Honorary Mancunian! My family come from both Yorkshire and Manchester, and were probably affected in some way by this case AND the Moors murderers. My mother also mentioned that she was worried about my safety as a new born in November 1993, because that was the year the angel of death was arrested.

The loneliest place can be when you're alone in the middle of a crowd but not a part of the crowd. It's then easy to become lost, either by choice or by no choice, and to both be ignored but also to be unseen when doing either good things or bad things. Angels and demons will both go unnoticed in big cities. Often totally innocent people come under suspicion while absolute monsters win awards and get social recognition as their crimes are attributed to others. The Yorkshire ripper's name was right there all along in multiple shoe boxes, lost amongst the names of thousands of falsely accused, and the public must bear some responsibility for the continuation of these murders by wasting so much police time with their idiotic intrigues. But west Yorkshire police added to their own paperwork problems by panicking and going door to door when all they needed to do was to study the earlier attempts on those women who had not only survived but given very good descriptions of Sutcliffe. The biggest mistake was believing in the tape, even after the FBI got involved and told the police it was almost certainly a fake. This is where arrogance, egos and career conceit on the part of the long-serving West Yorkshire police team got in the way of them solving the crimes. I lived in Bradford a couple of years after they caught Sutcliffe, and a shadow still hung over the city then. I used to use Back Ash Grove as a short cut to get to the university library, so i would pass the place where he had killed and concealed the body of Barbara Leach, who was a student at the time. That area was not remote at all and just showed what an opportunistic killer he was. One rumour concerning her was that Sutcliffe had seen her in a pub and monitored her movements when she was leaving with friends. Knowing this was one of the short-cuts to the university accomodation, he either trailed just behind her or gambled on hiding there, hoping she would cross over, and head down there which she did when she had said goodbye to her friends. I remember one story from a woman who worked at Clark's, where Peter was a lorry driver, and she had asked Sutcliffe to give her a lift home one time because she was scared of the ripper. Even other drivers at the firm sometimes jokingly called Sutcliffe the ripper due to the number of times he had been interviewed by different police, who never cross-referenced the interviews so were unaware that he had been interviewed before.The fact that he was able to give that woman a lift home without killing her was one inditcation that he was not mad, but was able to control himself when it suited him. I've actually got in my possession a book that Sutcliffe owned in Broadmoor. It had the cover torn off and his initials and the name of his wing written in the spine. The book was about the Krays, one of whom was also in Broadmoor so was a neighbour of Peter's, and he absolutely hated Sutcliffe.But they all were interested in each other's crimes. Thanks for the video. Ive not seen the series and wasn't even aware of it. I might give it a look but i prefer documentaries with the real people. If only you'd been working for West Yorkshire police at that time Ed. You would've made an excellent detective, though the higher ups would've still most likely filed your report unread

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

An interesting account. If you read Sutcliffe's statements, which stayed the same over time so I think we're true (with the exception of some initial denials when he thought he could get away with an insanity plea), he was an opportunist who relied on quickly scouting an area and quickly weighing up the possibilities. His confession makes it clear this is what he did with Barbara Leach.

Excellent episode Ed,

Thank you , Mr. Stow, for yet another fascinating and well done video.

Wow... just wow! I consider myself a casual student of the Yorkshire Ripper murders and attacks, and I have to say that every single one of your analyses of salient points of discussion was, in my opinion, right on the money... accurate in every way. If you study the entire range of actions of Sutcliffe, instead of what he said (either way before or during his admition of guilt), you can't help but come to the conclusions you have arrived at. It is amazing how many inaccurate assessments of this case are made by, supposed, psychological and criminal experts. Anyway, excellent work... and a great video!

@thehouseoflechmere9407

25 күн бұрын

Thank you

Fascinating parallels, Edward! Thank you again!

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

Those cowardly individuals like Sutcliffe, Bundy, Ramirez, and West just sicken me. I don't even want to know the details of their depraved acts. I cannot feel contemptuous enough towards them. But JtR scares me.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

They tend to be cowards

@philnewcomers9170

8 ай бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 pitty they could find another outlet for their inventive geanious?

Excellent research as usual from Edward.

Peter Lechmere----Charles Sutcliffe, even the names are interchangeable 😮

Really appreciate your analysis. Watching from Michigan, USA

Wow amazing parallels

Its true that the male dominated world of detectives and reporters had Sutcliff down as a 'prostitute ' murderer. Truth is that a lot of women who were attacked and servived weren't thought of as his victim because they weren't prostitutes. Also, women who were thought of as his victime were branded by police and press as prostitutes when they really weren't. The famous, " she appeared to be living a normal life until about ten days before her death". This ment eye witnesses who could indentify him - and his voice - were not part of the investigation. I'll also say something about the LISK. Something you said in a video once about the "banality of evil". If he was ever caught everyone, including police, belived he would be one of the top susspects. (Conspiracy theories and accusations published online by the police department who thought they were doing it anonymously. ) Terns out it was someone no one had suspected up until the FBI finally came in and put the existing clues together.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Good observations

@Dude0000

8 ай бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 completely agree on distinguishing between ‘sex workers’ and prostitutes. Accurate language is essential to describe reality accurately.

Most interesting similarities indeed.

Another great episode. Thank you.

I just learned about the “Black out” killers. I didn’t know they were two of them! I heard of Gordon Cummins (North Yorkshire) and Paul Ogorzow from Berlin. Also known as the wartime rippers, those cases have similarities to the rippers in the video.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes

Interesting and informative as always, Ed. Some may not know Peter Sutcliffe became a Jehoavs Witness in 2015.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes now you mention it I recall that

Gripping video! Well done mate.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

I was trying to find our previous communications where you were asking about doing a podcast. If you are still interested let me know!

Another brilliant video Edward. Very insightful.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

Good one, Ed. Damn good.

In a village graveyard only a few miles from the big Lechmere Hall are several head stones engraved with the names Phillips and Dew. Inspector Walter Dew would often state Emma Smith was the first Ripper Victim and Dr Phillips's 'positive opinion' was a rather 'hot potatoe' perhap's made 'long' ..regards the estimated time of death. Dew later in his career arrested the murderer Hawley Harvey Crippen, an American who lived in London.The murder of a young 16yr old sex worker Emma Rolfe in 1876 on the green Midsummers Common is suggested by some sources to connect with the Ripper murder's. Ah Bisto ! bistu.

Great video Edward 👍🇮🇪

A number of persons have been found dead in rivers in Lancashire. Some talk of the Manchester Canal Fiend, persons who were on their own like Nicola, who were pushed into he canals.

So happy w/ a new lesson from The House of Lechmere ✅🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Oooh, I just love it when Ed drops new shock and awe in the Ripper vernacular. It's quite disgusting how Detective Plodder and the Yorkshire Constabularys misogyny and prejudice resulted in Sutcliffe's high body count.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes indeed

@AnamCaraDeMexico

8 ай бұрын

I'm living in Mexico but thanks to the miracle of VPN I was able to login to ITV to viddy THE LONG SHADOW. Thanks for the recommendation.

Thank you Edward

That was very interesting, love your videos

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

You shud mention francis tumbllety he really unconsciously helped the real ripper, he was so strange.

Sadly, these are crimes against women. Those who are involved in prostitution are simply easy targets.

he attacked a taxi driver in the late 60s

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Maybe

A detailed and compelling reinforcement of the points raised in your excellent “Banality of Evil” film. Your strongest hand in proposing Lechmere as the ripper in my view. If not Lechmere then someone like him … but who is this individual with as many “coincidences” (or more !) as your man ?

Fascinating! More stuff like this.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

More to come!

Since 2014 when I believe “The Missing Evidence” film was shown have there been any new facts uncovered linking our man with the murders ? Without giving anything away, are you actively investigating any promising leads and how hopeful / confident are you that new facts might emerge ? Regards, GP.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Lots of small details have fleshed the story out and it all points in one direction. The Missing Evidence only covered part of the story in any case. New details are always coming to light - seldom earth shattering but they make for a more rounded picture.

@garrypullen5711

8 ай бұрын

Ah good ! I’ll look forward to watching the story unfold …

Enjoyable one that, thanks

None of them are lookers, are they? Strange choice of victims.

Great video, and really thought provoking. It does make you wonder if Lechmere was the Ripper, did the Police give him a free ride because he didn't fit their 'profile' of the killer? I also think it probably gave the Rippers' victims a false sense of security too.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Yes I think he did get that sort of free ride

Mind numbingly slow editing. Lots of anguished staring into the middle distance. Probably a good three parter in there somewhere. Check out Manhunt with Martin Clunes. Now that's more like it.

I’m glad you’re addressing these other cases. But I think I’m confused about the location of the segment on Mary Kelly. I can’t find anything. And the preceding episode is about 3 years old. Please advise. Thanks

Another enjoyable episode. Apart from finger printing (inc recording shoe print and teeth /bite mark evidence) and the vehicle registration data bases, the Yorkshire Police had pretty much the same resources as the 1888 Police. I would say that the 1970s Yorkshire Police had a tougher task on their hands than the Victorian London Police. The Yorkshire Police had a much larger area to cover, and the use of cars.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Those are quite a few advantages. Also better communications and supposedly better knowledge

good vid ttfn&ty

Didn't Sutciffe apologise for attacking the young girl that wasn't a prostitute and said he assumed she was one. He certainly is playing up to it if not true & claimed he didn't like them and wouldn't have attacked her if he knew.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

He was a liar ,- initially pretending to be schizophrenic and hearing voices that told him.tonattack prostitures. But one very early attack that he only owned up to many years later was a 14 year old girl called Tracy Browne who he chatted with for half an hour walking and he attacked her as she reached the farm where she lived.

@franceshaypenny8481

8 ай бұрын

Several of them weren't prostitutes, and several were teens.

@TK-ux5du

8 ай бұрын

I think he played up to it because he wanted to be seen as mentally ill so that he would be put in a psychiatric unit and not prison.

@lyndoncmp5751

8 ай бұрын

Yeah as Ed says, one of his earliest attacks before his first murder was after following a young teenager down a country lane by farm houses. There is absolutely zero chance that Sutcliffe thought she was a prostitute. Absolutely not. She was just a young girl walking home in the middle of the countryside.

I would like to say that its likely serial killers have been around much longer in history

I think delivery driver/truck|lorry driver being a common serial killer profession could be covered in a future episode with all the examples. Would be interesting as there sure are many.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Good idea

I did know this, indeed those of us who remember the Yorkshire Ripper case all know it, that the "oldest profession in the world" is frowned upon by the police and lots of other people. Even in 2023. The police were and in my opinion remain incompetent in regard to the above issue. I'm sure it must of been considered before now, but the above issue regards a perfect storm. Prostitution should obviously be legal and regulated like it is in Holland. The point about conurbations and anonymity is a salient one. What is striking is how Letchmere, or whoever, on his way to work, would know the movements of the police. He must of seen officers en route to work and noted the timing of the beats. That's perhaps how he knew he could determine that Neal would discover Nichol's body before Mizen reached the murder site. Because given the activity - having sex with a prostitute in a dark and quiet street, the prostitutes, likewise, would know the timeframe of the police beats so the act could be done without detection. Like I said - a perfect storm.

Going out equipped and in a premeditated manner does not disprove paranoid schizophrenia. Robert Napper for example made very in depth planning of some of his crimes, and was demonstrably a paranoid schizophrenic. Paranoid schizophrenics are often perfectly able to make detailed plans.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 ай бұрын

Napper was sentenced as guilty of murder - not manslaughter via diminished responsibility - for his first two murders.

The Yorkshire ripper was much more scarier and creepier

Caught him with good police work in the end. Ed what do you think about The Mystery of Nicola Bulley, found in the river, was she a likely victim of a serial killer, I think she was?

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

No I think she was an accidental death.

@davidhynes9683

8 ай бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407A lot of people think that. Accidental death was because everyone wanted that. There is no proof it was accidental death. You don't guess at things like that. Should have an Open verdict.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

​@@davidhynes9683 I think it was based on the autopsy

Thank you this was interesting. In your opinion were the 5 women that are generally considered to be JTR victims the only ones?

@thehouseoflechmere9407

2 ай бұрын

No I think there were many more

@sameyers2670

2 ай бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I agree it's likely other women were murdered by him

I wondered why the £5 wasnt mentioned in the show

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

It didn't fit their narrative

Ok but Jones was innocent and Lechmere may have been as well. Checking out Jones didn’t result in his arrest, thank goodness!

Sutcliffes identity could have been matched by using the 2 early, corroborating identik / sketch provided by the surviving victims. As with Lexhmere, the 1st witnesses are the best witnesses, your best chance of preventing further attacks, foresight is much less practiced science than hindsight. Anyone cab do hindsight. Loved the film Ed, thank you. I mean, how many hammer attacks were there at the time ? They should have seized that fact

Killing is not society, it is humanity, as chimp like primates we share many of the same characteristics which includes occasional brutal violence.

check.

Sutcliffe was a patsy. I believe (as did the police) that the Yorkshire Ripper had an accomplice was that accomplice was non other than Jimmy Savile. The killer was a secreter (of his blood type) and Sutcliffe wasn’t a secreter but Savile was. One of the Yorkshire Ripper’s victims Irene Richardson, was found on the grounds outside of Savile’s residence. Unfortunately Savile was above the law and had friends in very high places (Prince Charles, Margret Thatcher etc). Savile committed thousands of crimes against children and was never punished in his lifetime. If you Google “Jimmy Savile + Peter Sutcliffe” you’ll see a very famous photo of the two together (along with boxer Frank Bruno) taken inside Broadmoor prison in the UK. Savile personally made sure that Sutcliffe has everything he wanted in prison including women. Gee, I wonder why…

@lyndoncmp5751

8 ай бұрын

Oh geez. No. Just no. It was all Sutcliffe. Nobody else.

@cutekanjii

8 ай бұрын

I can just imagine saville sitting in his car smoking a big cigar while watching Sutcliffe kill

@luke125

8 ай бұрын

@@cutekanjii Exactly

@kristenelizabethdraws

8 ай бұрын

Count in most of the cops as complicit to yet another huge shock & awe campaign organised by Lodge - and I like O'Gara's claims/work about the original Yorshire murderer being the Irishman - Sutcliffe being used to cover the tracks over him - and over gangland enforcer Savile, who gets a top life in exchange for continuing supplying, etc.

@luke125

8 ай бұрын

@@kristenelizabethdraws Bingo

the Blackout and Camden ripper only killed b but he was worse then the Yorkshire ripper

@ErnaldtheSaxon

8 ай бұрын

Gordon Cummins the blackout ripper is a gruesome case especially in regards to the tin opener.

@user-dc4uk5gw8d

8 ай бұрын

@@ErnaldtheSaxon yes very interesting case

Not all of Jack the Ripper's victims were prostitutes

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

Which ones weren't?

@danyf.1442

8 ай бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407The book "The Five" puts that into question, at least for Annie Chapman and Carherine Eddowes...

@lyndoncmp5751

8 ай бұрын

Yes they were.

@ErnaldtheSaxon

8 ай бұрын

If that was the case, why would they have accompanied their killer to secluded areas?

@danyf.1442

8 ай бұрын

@@ErnaldtheSaxon Lots of poor people were looking for spots that were a little more sheltered just to sleep rough. In some cases, Annie Chapman in particular I am sure I remember, there is no record of arrest for soliciting or of even been known by police. No person who knew her confirmed she was a prostitute (and in that time and place it would hardly have been uncommon). She was selling flowers, matches and crochet works she made. She was dying of tuberculosis. But anyway, if all of them were, does it matter? To me it doesn't, they were all innocent victims of a monster.

I've got a video of a 400 year old free energy device that is still operating on the roof of an old church, if anyone is interested. Links pinned in latest video.

@FiveLiver

8 ай бұрын

Where is this device?

@ErnaldtheSaxon

8 ай бұрын

Had a look at your channel but could not find the video you described. What is the title of your video?

@Adrian.Messenger

8 ай бұрын

@@ErnaldtheSaxon The links are pinned in the most recent video. It's called The Holy Grail.

@Adrian.Messenger

8 ай бұрын

@@FiveLiver Australia.

@Adrian.Messenger

8 ай бұрын

@@FiveLiver Don't forget to slow down the video when the device is shown near the end and zoom in to see what's happening at the centre.

Read The Five written by Hallie Rubenhold. The five Ripper victems in Whitechapel were not prostitutes.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

8 ай бұрын

I'm not surprised you believe that