These 15 conversations contain such profound inquiry. Our survival depends on these kinds of dialogues… we must keep questioning

David Bohm was such a thoughtful interlocutor. He was one of the few, with Alan Anderson, who seemed to have a grasp of the dialogue with Krishnamurti. A gift.

@lysechrist1947

4 жыл бұрын

My favorite series of dialogues are still those with Krishnamurti and Dr Alan Anderson. Right before my very eyes, I could see Anderson being transformed by those dialogues. Fortunately I had a dear friend who owned that series and we had many dialogues, too. Those were the beginning of awakening intelligence for which so much gratitude is still felt even after 30 years. So glad to see that K was included in Infinite Potential, the new film about David Bohm.

@craigcarleen2118

2 жыл бұрын

A gift we all have, waiting to be realized...

@Tea-tl2pv

2 жыл бұрын

Yes , also another Jesuit priest. I felt all of them in various ways were on same footing.

@balubudhathoki977

2 жыл бұрын

But David Bohm is the one who unearthed.the treasure from K.

@noone5461

2 жыл бұрын

He knew how to listen.

I struggle to attain the meditative state often. At those times I play the conversation of these 2 men on the headphone. Meditation just happens just by the frequency and modulation of their voices.

Dr. Bohm is like an ambassador for us normal human beings trying to capture what K is saying and bringing it down to earth.

@amaldonado962

3 жыл бұрын

Dr David Bohm is not a regular human being. He was a scientist as Einstein, same level

@antuanette88

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@juliangiulio3147

3 жыл бұрын

haha, yes... He has such a gentleness about him

@denisesullivan9079

11 ай бұрын

David was a lovely lovely man. I was on admin staff at Brockwood Park and often met David. I respected him immensely, but couldn't get over the feeling that he only had a body to carry his brain from place to place. 😅

@annelbeab8124

16 күн бұрын

​@denisesullivan9079 this even transpires in the Videos watching his gesturing. I read that he struggled with depression in part and I see a link there. He fully followed K, questioned and clarified, but maybe he hesitated to let his full being 'realising'. A barrier to sensual perception may have been unsurmountable. Not just talking about him, but the phenomenon as such. Having the passion to go deep, yet something staying reserved, shying away.

I have seen and benefited from many of K's videos. This one is specifically precious to me . Because I see for the first time K communicating in such an open way with someone. It is mainly thanks to the quality of David Boum's apptitude of listening.Thank you so much for maintaing this treasure ! 🙏

1. Knowledge is memories, prejudices, opinions, judgments. Hence knowledge is 'me' 2. Wall of knowledge can be broken through love, perception and insight 3. Use knowledge only when required. Then you have freedom 4. Listening with complete attention will help. 5. No movement of thought, no pyschological time and hence complete emptiness

Does anyone else find the moments of silence deeper then the words at times? I'm so blessed I found you J, late in life but never too late! The videos where he is talking outside with all the birds singing during the silences are so beautiful and I can not describe how they make me feel. Thank you JK

@craigcarleen2118

2 жыл бұрын

It showing your quiet inner self behind thought...to be drawn to the silent path is to begin walking it

@dellys2455

2 жыл бұрын

So beautiful 🙏

Listening to this conversation is a rare privilege. Thank you.

@randomlife5485

9 ай бұрын

True

If I may... Knowledge is a recording of what thought has done so far down the aeons. Thought then acts on that knowledge thinking it is separate from it. It is like a dog chasing it's own tail and failing to realise it's part of it. So when I hear K speak... He is thought (K) trying to tell thought (me) to stop chasing its own tail. It's crazy stuff but that's what the observer is the observed really means.

This is not a conversation ,its a beautiful music from the implicate order

We are unable to see the fact that the seer is the past, memories and prejudices from which we fantasize a future which is nothing but a reevaluation of the past. That entire activity consumes energy. Present moment doesn’t need anything from that, is empty and whole at once and never dissipate energy. Present moment is the source of everything but can’t be analyzed and presented as anything. Just living from moment to moment with awareness can give insight. In order to understand that we have to listen carefully to each moment even when nothing apparently happens. That attention is intelligence and gives meaning to life.

Listening to him completely already starts breaking the wall.key is listening not just hearing

@hemantkhare5545

2 жыл бұрын

Trust me you think so, it’s far from there, may be you’re in good mood right now.

Great Conversation to listen. I have a point , Freedom from the knowledge lies in the explanations. In otherwords, the struggle of understanding the knowledge ends with explanations. Once explained, anything is refered as knowledge as the compulsion of finding quick answers tend to fit them in the contexts without explaining till a problem arises. One has to be out of any compulsion to be in the blissful state that is being for the explanations but awaiting explanations. Self explains innately anything in the void of compulsions. Self struggles with knowledge till the void of compulstions.

Wow, what a gift of conversation. Thanks from the bottom of my heart Krishnamurti and Bohm.

so one must act from freedom and use knowledge rather than act from knowledge and call it freedom

@Amazology

3 жыл бұрын

..wait a minute...to act on that imperative, which is knowledge, would negate the freedom... wouldn't it ?

@Tea-tl2pv

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting take ..

@annelbeab8124

16 күн бұрын

Very well said

Thank you so much for this great video.

I'm so happy so see sooo many people like this and are aware 🙏

Self understanding is deeply indicated.

K really sharing what he's struggling with here, great talk

Ojalá pueda algún día conseguir que mi cerebro tenga esa compasión y amor que habla tanto krisnamurti. Mientras tanto estaré muy atento.pero se hace muy duro.

Ghe meraviglia ascoltare due AMABILI esseri umani in un dialogo tanto utile e prezioso a chi Sa ASCOLTARE ..NON MI STANCO MAI DI ASCOLTARLI E PARTECIPARE AL LORO DIALOGO ....GRAZIEEEEEEEEEEE DI CUORE ❤❤❤

Of course of course... That's why I come here... I am burning for that... ❤️

Intensely listening... thank you

K. is asking David Bohm, if he can enter that space of freedom or pure attention, to have communication with him, at this dialogue K asked him directly. But many times he has asked him and others to enter that space indirectly, and unfortunately they were not able to break that wall of knowledge; K always was careful not to be personal with Bohm or with others. Speaking from that space of freedom was K's challenge to his listeners, but unfortunately not many people did; as far as K. was concerned or witnessed no one did.

@rocksoft1236

2 жыл бұрын

True..

@Tea-tl2pv

2 жыл бұрын

Well said thanks!

We are fragmented (the memory, thougts), we hear (nearly) only with fragments that what suits us. But with the right word or the right picture - The insight is there!

💐❤️ Listening is the challenge of this 3D world.

@reddytat

2 жыл бұрын

Very well put

@reddytat

2 жыл бұрын

Very well put

@decid3

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

Solid conversation. I learned something today.

@GaidKhambGaming

11 ай бұрын

Now unlearn it. Dig in yourself, watch yourself as you are. Thanks

My observations 1. We would be able to overcome the grip of knowledge and break down this strong wall...when we realise that it’s not important to overcome the grip of knowledge and break down this strong wall. 2. Knowledge is like a lactating breast, the more you nurse from it, the more it provides of itself for you...to nurse from.

@florancegardinar9658

4 жыл бұрын

they are discussing that we don't break down the wall of knowledge but listen so purely, so intently, that we are open - free - unbounded... from the entire system. This has made me feel it's time to go off-line.

Silence is wisdom itself. If misery loves company then happiness loves solitude.

Every time I listen to David Bohm, I learn something new...

@reddytat

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@jayaviravithanage6444

8 ай бұрын

Of course if he was not we would doomed

"From the emptiness, there is communication. In this way, one can still use the word, which is knowledge, but in complete freedom. That is to say, real, free communication - which is love, intelligence - occurs when one speaks about the irrelevance of psychological knowledge." Since psychological knowledge is nothing more than the self, true communication, which is capable of ending the psychological suffering of humanity, occurs when the self does not speak, but is spoken about, is relativized. In other words, love appears when we can "laugh" at ourselves, at our own image or self. Krishnamurti is right: in the end, it is easier than it seems :-).

a porta foi aberta,grato...

grandiosidade de palestra...

1600. I love it. So true!

16:18 how to end psychological knowledge 31:38 pure observation

0:47 - What keeps the mind from true comprehension? 25:36 - Ability to listen 33:09 - Realization and knowledge *

Ami personalmente me parece que estas charlas son ,una maravilla y que el doctor bohm.le saca todo jugo a krisnamurti, ojalá los hubiera tenido en estos tiempos para disfrutarlos.

I’m blown away that people give a thumbs down to this.... surely they must be extremely defensive people living in fear and constant competition and comparison. I just don’t get it... why even waste their energy unless they are purposefully trying to feel better about themselves for whatever reason.

@yoo_zen

3 жыл бұрын

K. was announced as the greatest thinker of 20th century. This conversation has a good topic, but two unprepared, lost talks about things they do not understand and no solution is given. There is solution. Btw. See the 1981 conversation with three scientists. Part one: sad, pathetic. Really shameful.

The word Ved means knowledge the word anta means end hence Vedanta... The end of knowledge. The word Sunyata means emptiness, silence. The word Davanda means conflict or duality. If knowledge doesn't end we will live in conflict. The basis for conflict and contradiction is this knowledge. Mathematics means not to have the contradiction. The mathematical order comes into being when there is no more conflict and contradiction. These are all Sanskrit words. To us here in the West knowledge is the supreme. The philosophy of Vedanta teaches you that a time must come when knowledge must end if you want to enter Sunyata, silence, and emptiness. This silence and space have nothing to do with the body and the brain. A very few end knowledge and talk from freedom.

@gan13166

5 жыл бұрын

Vedanta doesn't mean end of Knowledge.. it means the last portion of Vedas, Upanishads..

@rajindergill337

5 жыл бұрын

How do you come to silence? Knowledge must end. Ved means knowledge and anta means the end.

@amanjain2306

3 жыл бұрын

@@gan13166 it indeed means the "end of knowledge".

@Enavor

2 жыл бұрын

If I may... Knowledge is a recording of what thought has done so far down the aeons. Thought then acts on that knowledge thinking it is separate from it. It is like a dog chasing it's own tail and failing to realise it's part of it. So when I hear K speak... He is thought (K) trying to tell thought (me) to stop chasing its own tail. It's crazy stuff but that's what the observer is the observed really means.

it feels cute when K asked "when do we meet again ?"

29:00 - "I think it's simple..." 34:22 - "It's enormously difficult to be free of knowledge"

@VitaminM1

3 жыл бұрын

It's simple for them in context of who they are aware It's difficult for them who are not aware When you point out some thing please try to understand in what context k is saying..

@jacobryansr

3 жыл бұрын

It’s simple to listen not simple to discard accumulated knowledge

@lokeshparihar7672

2 жыл бұрын

You know it's same in physical scientific theories also. They say later theories are simple & elegant compared to former ones. But if one goes in details of it , later theories are actually more complicated than former ones. Example could be theory of gravity (Newton vs Einstein).

@lokeshparihar7672

2 жыл бұрын

Here he is saying that we have detected the problem which is psychological knowledge is interfering with perception. So solution is OBVIOUS and SIMPLE that is to Have quality of attention which can prevent IT. But to bring about such attention is DIFFICULT. Therefore i think there is no contradiction.

"Is pure observation love? I think it is. "

@kartikeyrai9725

7 жыл бұрын

yes it is but most people don't understand love

@dshatzer

7 жыл бұрын

Love and freedom go hand and hand :)

@fors2345

5 жыл бұрын

It is.

David Bohm had a few opportunites to really question J. Krishnamurti and he did not do it. For example, why does K talk about the 'ordinary man' and not 'me'? Bohm does not ask him, though Krishnamurti does this constantly, 'imagines himself' as the 'serious ordinary man'. Why this type of displacement/role play? Bohm never asks. Why does Krishnamurti say, at 47:59 'when somebody who is beyond the wall, who has gone beyond"? And why, at that point, does Bohm NOT say: "Sir, are you asserting, or implying, that you yourself have gone beyond the wall"? There are many other times in the dialogue when Krishnamurti makes the same implication, but Bohm never challenges him. That reluctance of Bohm to ask very obvious questions, in my opinion, is the reality of the dialogue, which is more important than the content of their discussion.

@socco90

3 жыл бұрын

Bohm and K have shared a very lot of conversations together and to me it's obvious that Boehm realises that K is speaking from deep insight and therefore In this talk after many other talks in the past here is not concerned about K's status of "enlightenment" but to really describe the problem as best as words can do so an insight in the viewer could happen. If you're looking for people questioning Ks status of deep insight you can watch some other videos of Dr. Shainberg. But the peak of Ks dialogue are the ones with Alan Anderson and Dr Boehm

@reddytat

2 жыл бұрын

How do you mean: in the last line ?

@Cashholiday479

7 ай бұрын

K has mentioned in this series a few times that he has gone beyond the wall that’s why he says there’s more than just space and emptiness

Well the answer is: hook your mind into an external objective machine that controls your thoughts. It may not be possible today, but it will become one day, so that way you will be "free" under the control of pure reason that is objective.

It's hard for me to find the next video continued from this one. Can you please send it to me? Thank you

@KFoundation

6 жыл бұрын

Here's the next video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e6qnmNFwfZebddY.html And the whole series: kzread.info/head/PL1n30s-LKus4MyNuceRoFAes5teZS_guW

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a porta foi aberta a humanidade...

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As an aside: How do we free ourselves from all this destructive knowledge? - An artist working away repeatedly comes to a point when he has to and does indeed let go of it and does something that goes against anything he thought he wanted to achieve BUT only through that does his work achieve any significance (if it ever does) and "works out". There are only moments of this but least... As a result the artist tends do be even more surprised by what he did then anyone looking at the finished work.

@Tea-tl2pv

2 жыл бұрын

Great Q! If we can find the answer, we too would be talking with this world. I am not being facetious but that acc to me IS the biggest challenge in these teachings. How to quiet our minds and observe fully? That is the Q. Need to be true 'Seekers' who are serious about the quest. A mix of honesty, fearlessness, compassion, and reflection is a start ... IMHO.

People hear but do not listen 😊❤️👏

"The capacity to Listen is far more important than any of .... " ... I am so sorry that he had to live that kind of life. What has he got, as a person? Round and round ... but that's ok; as he says, "As a person, I don't exist."

@sadhwani83

3 жыл бұрын

"..he had to live that kind of life" - what kind and why sorry ?

@sylviagung1007

2 жыл бұрын

@@sadhwani83 Sorry, I've just found your reply. However, would you like to have the kind of life as K had? Why?

So, what does the understanding of the observed and the observed movement means? Could it be that if we are able to become the observer (mind) by generating a mutation in our brains that actually make us PERCEIVE ourself (observed) like out of our actual bodies. In a place where there is not thing such as time or mater in movement. Could that place be the MIND itself? or the beginning of meditation?

@JW-rw8fq

4 жыл бұрын

No because we can be the observer of our mind while it produces thought and the thought is a thing. Thought then produces emotion. We can then be aware of our emotion. We can choose to change our mind or our emotion or to merely recognise our emotion in the moment. So we are not our mind or our emotion or our body for that matter. We are the loving space in which all those things are contained.

@Tea-tl2pv

2 жыл бұрын

@@JW-rw8fq so beautifully said!

Is being free of psychological knowledge freedom from knowledge of personhood/personality, from the I, the me?

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I feel the answer to the last question would be 'no, it isn't' ... But I also feel I don't understand the question. But if I get it, I would say that nothing can take root into that 'emptiness', which in a sense would be the 'now'. And that the source of all psychological movement really is 'thought'.

@Az7yQ

3 жыл бұрын

Bingo!

David is still talking. K is saying ..listen diligently...mind will go blank..no thinking...no knowledge...wall is broken but David is still talking.

@reddytat

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps he aims to bring it to us

What do you think of Ludwig Wittgenstein?

'i am' that wall.that wall is blocking me to listen.

Mas que interesante, es increíble como si verdaderamente tu cerebro esta prestando atención a esto, es como un iman que produce energía, simplemente increíble.

@jamiesoule7788

5 жыл бұрын

Rdr 0

By the way guys I know most of you understand this stuff I just thought I would help those who don’t and my ego might slip through every now and then and I hope you’ll forgive me for that thanks

I think I've heard Krishnamurti say that all religious approach are nonsense? I'm not a religious person myself, but some of the practice like Buddhist monks do is i guess to clear and calm the mind so its ready to se the illusion and go beyond?

@GomteshUpadhye

Жыл бұрын

Your first statement about K is correct. If you continue listening to his talks you will understand that monks of any kind including the Buddhists are fooling themselves. Calming the mind through any method or technique will keep the mind's momentum going and create an illusion where the mind tells itself that it has been tamed.

Grazie ❤❤❤

@16:40 that’s my story folks.

15:30 who would listen 28:15 nothing can be done 43:10 identification

"why don't we see it" - cuz we are sick

@florancegardinar9658

4 жыл бұрын

be free - don't identify with anything. Listen to them talking again and the best interview with Bohm

Strange now how most quantum biology physics are jumping on board like they just found out about it the very same physics that denied and destroyed him

Somebody, give K some water

50:21

What is psychological knowledge?

@suzanne9215

2 жыл бұрын

It's what makes you into what you are

In this video...JK has been trying to get Bohm to a point where he would remain and see the "Whole"of it. But being a scientist, he wouldn't fully commit. That itself is the problem of the mankind. But I agree, if there was a mind who had a hefty grasp of Jks teaching...that would be David Bohm!

32:45 persepsi murni

@healthpediashop8536

3 жыл бұрын

persepsi, welas asih, kecerdasan bukan terpisah....itu satu

@healthpediashop8536

3 жыл бұрын

33:55 bagaimana cara mendapatkanya kembali? itu pengetahuan dtng lagi

@healthpediashop8536

3 жыл бұрын

45:55 me me me....selalu sama

@healthpediashop8536

3 жыл бұрын

47:45 cara?

RIP

You only have to ask religious folk (no hate here) if their god came down and said you have it all wrong, you should live without boundaries, stop your dogmatic ways, traditions, throw away a few books, perhaps, would you denounce your religion and start to live differently?

Poor man ...

But knowledge is what makes everything possible. Internet is the creation of knowledge. Why do JK think knowledge is insignificant?

@suzanne9215

2 жыл бұрын

He is talking about psychological knowledge, the internet is based on technological knowledge.

Did he ever have talks with Alan Watts ?

@visrik

10 ай бұрын

Yes, ofcourse. I saw in a video where K said Alan Watts pushed him to write a book along with Mary Lutuens. Also in some Alan Watts videos i heard him quoting K.

So Knowledge that these men are dead and this is a recording is knowledge we want to allow to dissolve okay.

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