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@JupiterThunder

2 ай бұрын

Wtf are "variations in sex characteristics" ???

@steve-en7bm

2 ай бұрын

@@JupiterThunder This is not about sex or trans which is being used as a smoke screen to bring in blasphemy laws to protect a certain religion.

@Hjominbonrun

2 ай бұрын

This is a distraction from the small iterations until we get blasphemy laws.

@Stennifer

2 ай бұрын

FYI: "variations in sex characteristics" is an offensive way to reference Intersex people (AKA the Third Sex). It doesn't cover XY/Male or XX/Female, but rather anyone else with alternative sex chromosomes. For example, I'm a true hermaphrodite, which basically means my sex chromosome is XXXY - very rare at 1 in 100,000 births, but Intersex as a whole covers 1.7% of the population.

@CS-zn6pp

2 ай бұрын

If I remember correctly the Scottish legal system can be very determined to get the outcome they desire regardless of convention and "high bars". The case of count dankula and his pug should be the standard the Scottish legal system is judged by. 🧐 #farce

What is unacceptable is Yousaf's anti-white rant in the Scottish parliament where he literally spat out the word "white" as an insult many times. He is a total disgrace and should be banned from ever taking part in politics again. He is a walking hate-monger.

@alisonmary1443

2 ай бұрын

Evil starts it's work by causing division, creating hatred. I feel sorry for him, there is so much beauty in life and he doesn't know it.

@whisperingleaves

2 ай бұрын

Define "white"

@Supersonic0324

2 ай бұрын

What does the definition of "white" have to do with the original comment?

@tgalloway

2 ай бұрын

In a country where circa 95% of the population these white people serve, are white...

@annsoutar513

2 ай бұрын

I remember listening to his speech and was totally horrified!! I felt decades of thousands of people working quietly to create racial harmony was going down the drain, particularly as the racial makeup of Scotland was so small . As someone who spent decades with millions of others in U.K. working silently towards racial harmony I felt his speech was encouraging people to go against the philosophy of Martin Luther King- my thoughts were had he ever heard of him!!

I'm a Scot, having to come to a barrister of England and Wales to understand a law of Scotland.

@scotlandr

2 ай бұрын

Same with me! This whole bill so far seems to be completely ludicrous and hypocritical.

@chaotic_crafter

2 ай бұрын

Same 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@susangallen4548

2 ай бұрын

As an American I don't understand who voted for these politicians in the first place. Is it like America where the far left is allowing illegal immigrant entitlement recipients into the country who will build and solidify their voting base? This is regardless of social issues they may not agree with as long as they are promised their welfare.

@tommyi6667

2 ай бұрын

Me too, Sarwar is wanting to add misogyny, This brings a lot of funny jokes

@margaretknight2207

2 ай бұрын

Same 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

This law is an abomination!

@zigziar

Ай бұрын

it is indubitably an ass.

I'm lucky I left school before social media, I'd be put away for decades if any of the stuff we said to each other in school back then had been recorded!

@YesItsMeDes

2 ай бұрын

same - and was anyone ever offended or harmed by what we used to say? No - you got a thick skin and dealt with stuff without counselling and all the other BS of today.

@jimmorrison2657

2 ай бұрын

@@YesItsMeDes "harmed by what we used to say? No" - You think kids never used to suffer as a result of bullying? Of course they fucking did, you prick. I remember some kids at my school had a really bad time for the whole time they were there. They didn't get a thick skin, they were just little kids. Grow up you twat.

@barneyclifton6402

Ай бұрын

While your generation aren't exactly the most well adjusted. There's something to be said for only the water inside the boat can cause it to sink, keep that stuff externalised. It's a shame kids now are taught it's good to have soft skin and take everything personally.

@bigboldbicycle

Ай бұрын

If you mean when you were a minor then you would be held to a far lower level of accountability, so you probably won't get out away. Expelled from school maybe, but not get put away.

Police Scotland has just announced that JKR's comments "were not criminal and the force will not be taking action."

@drstrangelove4998

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 they would, wouldn’t they

@tttt4029

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, they're probably pooing themselves as to what to do with these ridiculous laws 😁

@Inkling777

2 ай бұрын

Rowling can make another move. When they prosecute someone under this law, she can make an identical statement and again dare them.

@andycleary6209

2 ай бұрын

Of course they won't take action against someone with the kind of money she has ,she could employ the sort of legal team that would make their heads spin, no they will wait until some poor person from a council estate with no money for solicitors does something, then they will come down like a ton of bricks.

@user-xq2zn8bu9q

2 ай бұрын

​@@tttt4029The collaborator police will enforce it with vigour. The service attracts that sort of person.

As a Scot I want to thank you for shining a light on this ridiculous law, I feel like I've woken up through the looking glass!

@mystrength5640

2 ай бұрын

Soo Sorry! 😢

@retropcscotland4645

2 ай бұрын

We have when an unelected leader can make insane laws without democracy.

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

Welcome to the ranks of those of us who've seen this coming for years and years (and who saw right through the Plandemic from the off). It'll take a while to adjust. Learning that our Dear Leaders despise us and that there really are conspiracies working feverishly in the background is massively unsettling, but don't be afraid. Knowledge is power.

@tttt4029

2 ай бұрын

Be interesting to see what the impact is on the SNP vote after this and recent events ! Expect more ridiculous antics if you vote them in again 😁

@rustyspence5086

2 ай бұрын

SNP is well and truly dead in the water thanks to that eejit. He's been hell bent on bringing Scotland down. If he hates the Scots so much why the hell does stay here. With his money and advantages he could move to anywhere in the world, so why doesn't he. I am a totally disgusted Scot born and bred.

Good for her. This law is ludicrously subjective and open to abuse

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

As intended.

People who couldn't accept themselves demand you accept them under penalty of law. 🤔

Is not Humza guilty of stirring up h8red?

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

No. These laws will not be enforced in his case.

@Ubu987

2 ай бұрын

@@eadweard. [Yes, absolutely]. [But] these laws will not be enforced in his case.

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

@@Ubu987 I accept your revision.

@jeanwallace9791

2 ай бұрын

Very much hate speech coming from the top of government,spitting out the word WHITE as if it’s a problem that white people are in prominent positions in a 96% white country. How many white Christians would survive “never mind be in the top position of government”in his heritage country?

@NigelFartzirage

Ай бұрын

I don’t think his intention was stirring up hatred. JK on the other hand, I think she may be. Humza clarified his position. JK did some time back but appears to have moved from her initial position.

So in Scotland, you now have to temper what you say within the walls of your own home, or you could be arrested. What about within the walls of a mosque? Are they protected under some religious law, or are they protected because the police lack the backbone to act on said law?

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

Both.

@homersimpson118

Ай бұрын

Nah they’ve all got “do and say whatever you want, all of the time” cards.

@nlwilson4892

Ай бұрын

You could equally use the example of a church. It depends on what is said. For instance, calling for all homosexuals to be executed would be an offence, claiming homosexuality is a sin probably isn't. Claiming the homosexual sinning is responsible for bad things happening (as was claimed by some Christians in the US after the 9/11 attacks) could be against the law as it is trying to stir up hatred, it is trying to suggest that others are suffering because of them. Note that I wouldn't agree with any of these types of comments and will happily challenge anyone saying them in the strongest terms, but there is a certain level of free speech that should be allowed and certain types of speech that should not. Simply stating biology that someone doesn't become a woman just by saying that they are and that someone having hormone therapy, operation and various other treatment does not become the same as a biological woman, should never be an offence and should never become the subject of the hatred that Rowling and others have been subjected to.

She got that f**k you money and she aint afraid to use it 👌👌

@GoIdenApple

2 ай бұрын

Let's hope they don't cancel her bank accounts

@jasonmw1471

2 ай бұрын

@@GoIdenApple most people with that type of money don't just have it laying around in their personal bank accounts 👌

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

@@GoIdenApple They can't reach them in Switzerland or the Cayman Islands.

What the hell happened to men in Scotland?? Braveheart my ass.

@mrennie5158

2 ай бұрын

Our men don’t worry about this kind of sh*te they’re either too busy working to pay the highest rates of income tax in the UK and be completely ignored by the SNP or they’re quite happy with the SNP …….

@buddhistsympathizer1136

2 ай бұрын

Robert the Bruce . . . WHITE!

@clovermark39

Ай бұрын

Roberta the Bruce!

@Maynards_so_blue

Ай бұрын

An evil dictator has taken control. The peasants are powerless

@ThePhobos100

Ай бұрын

William Wallace will be turning in his grave.

Hopefully most of us know what this is really about, its not just the Rowling issue, they have made sure you cant speak out about anything.

@Sue650

2 ай бұрын

Religion? By any chance?

@RH-nj2uy

2 ай бұрын

@@Sue650... and one in particular

@mikew608

2 ай бұрын

Indeed@@Sue650

@matthewfreear

Ай бұрын

you can speak out about anything as long as it is done in a way that a reasonable person would find acceptable. A rabbid offensive rant designed to hurt people benefits no one and doesnt further a constructive discussion. As always, if you dont have anything decent to say, dont say it at all.

They make it so vague that they are setting up cops to mess up

@admthrawnuru

2 ай бұрын

It's the opposite, actually: they're setting it up for cops to have arbitrary power. Sure, some cops will be scapegoated if they take it too far, but the point is to allow them to target anyone at any time if they so choose. If you're worried about well-meaning police getting in trouble for doing their jobs, we'll the dilution is simple: we'll-meaning cops who deserve our respect don't enforce unethical and stupidly repressive laws.

@Bhodisatvas

2 ай бұрын

Small steps to full oppression.

@QiuEnnan

2 ай бұрын

How is it vague? I immediately understood it when reading it.

@RylanStorm

2 ай бұрын

@@QiuEnnan You might be one of the few. Most people with legal training are suggesting the law contains multiple contradictions and there's no clear guidance on what is considered offensive and what isn't. And I completely get that because what one person considers offensive is completely subjective. This new bill is a mess.

@Ubu987

2 ай бұрын

@@QiuEnnan If you think you have understood the 'hate' law, you have not.

This law is totally open to abuse, and given who is "running" Scotland at the moment, it WILL be abused. Backdoor blasphemy law .

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

That is what it is for.

@rb9580

2 ай бұрын

If you look further into this, you will see that this Act explicitly repeals the Blasphemy Act which was still on the statute in Scotland, but hadn't been used for 175 years.

This would never have happened 10 / 15 yrs ago when we felt unchallenged by foreign invasion who want their own rules thrust upon us!

Whenever a law includes the words, "What a reasonable person would consider offensive etc..", they never mean the public. It is put in there specifically for the police to use as the lowest bar possible in order to secure an arrest!

@TheErmerm999

2 ай бұрын

The reasonable person subjective test is in the old act from 2010 😂

@patverum9051

Ай бұрын

And how many policemen/women could be qualified as "reasonable"?? A lot of them could be labeled unreasonable I'm sure..just watch a dozen of police interaction with the public YT vids to convince you.

@thatgearguy

Ай бұрын

The Police often see it as such but in law a reasonable peraon is a fairly robust measure. It errs on the side of stoicism rather than pearl clutching.

Jk should put in a claim against the Scottish PM for his white, white, white speech.

@stottybox3185

2 ай бұрын

Can't, he has freedom to say what he wants in the parliament. As do all the mp's.

@Historyfan476AD

2 ай бұрын

@@stottybox3185 Even traitorous and or racist things?

@BillCameronWC

2 ай бұрын

@@stottybox3185 Not true I think. Immunity applies only in the House of Commons, I don’t think it applies in any of the devolved parliaments. Humza is not Scottish PM, he is FM in the Scottish Government and is an MSP not an MP.

@amandawilkinsontarot7096

2 ай бұрын

Agreed

@ResevoirGod

2 ай бұрын

A speech that occurred before 1 April 2024?

Hatred is a moral offence and shouldn't be a legal one. Full stop.

This is not going to help SNP at the election !

@tadcastertory1087

2 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter. They'll vote Labour instead and guess who also voted for the Bill?

@vanessac1721

2 ай бұрын

Don't underestimate the Scots' ability to not vote sensibly. 😂

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

@@vanessac1721 It's the same everywhere. This is a planetary issue - not a Scottish issue. Lock Step!

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

Frankly, they were toast anyway, but the men (oops, is that no longer allowed?) in the shadows will have already picked out the next puppet party to do their bidding.

@caerleon87

2 ай бұрын

TORY LIAR!! The voters for the bill were 56 SNP, 14, labour, 1 Tory and 5 liberal democrats@@tadcastertory1087

I hope JK and the others stick to their guns and don't give in to the nonsense.

@ForEverKath

2 ай бұрын

"The others" like the holocaust deniers she gives support to and gets support from??

With laws like this, I no longer take the legal system seriously regardless of the consequences. There is a point where the legal system invalidates itself. This has at this point happened overwhelmingly. At this point the legal system is no longer something I acknowledge as legitimate. It's just a bunch of people arbitrarily telling you what to do according to their opinion and then threatening you with their soldiers if you don't comply.

Latest is that Police Scotland say that they're not arresting her. At least she has set some social media precedents for the rest of us?

@S.Trades

2 ай бұрын

They won't arrest her because she is minted!

@AdamBuckley1964

2 ай бұрын

The 'test' of this law would be to see if a non-billionaire can post the same way as she did and be dealt with in the same way by the police?

@jwsuicides8095

2 ай бұрын

@@AdamBuckley1964 It'll be interesting for sure.

@RylanStorm

2 ай бұрын

I don't think the police want anything to do with this either.

@carlhaydock1787

2 ай бұрын

Remember when they arrested a "normal " man for posting a rainbow swastika but Lawrence fox who was with the guy arrested and even told the police that it was Lawrence himself who'd first posted it ​@@AdamBuckley1964

The police in scotland have complained and are disgusted by this new law. its the first step on a slippy road against free speech and that law needs to be reversed.

@greyfriars6540

2 ай бұрын

The cops have pledged to investigate EVERY so called hate crime report while refusing to investigate real crime. There are numerous Snitch Centres being set up for anyone to report anonymously. Whatever cops say behind closed doors, they will still arrest you.

@ianhill4585

2 ай бұрын

Or ignored. En masse.

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

The _first_ step? Goodness me.

@user-xq2zn8bu9q

2 ай бұрын

The collaborative police will enforce it with vigour. The Scots are now an occupied people. 😢

Does this mean Scottish people can't call the English Sassenachs anymore? I'm not sure they've thought this through.

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

The law will not be enforced in that case.

@mrennie5158

2 ай бұрын

If it insults Yusaf it meets the definition of breaking that law. So no we’re fine to insult the English.

@paulbennett8533

2 ай бұрын

I'm English and like being called Sassenachs

@fordprefect1575

2 ай бұрын

call me what you like sweaty. id be disappointed if you didn't.

@davidtapz2719

Ай бұрын

My grandmother was Scottish and whenever I was naughty as a kid my dad would say you Sassenach lol

The legal protection for women is apparently going to be covered in a separate law, at a later date. Probably going to be delivered by ferry.

@tihanaharrison6728

2 ай бұрын

And the ferry via Baltimore😢

@user-Katie019

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂 we are doomed then

@Sotto_

2 ай бұрын

Are you talking about a boat?

@user-Katie019

2 ай бұрын

@Sotto_ yeah lol, they are in a sorry state too

@mrennie5158

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

The trouble is: To have free speech you sometimes hear words you don't like! I think it's a price worth paying.

Police Scotland can’t afford to take her on in court.

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

Perhaps the aim is to bankrupt Scotland, or the Police at least.

@AdamBuckley1964

2 ай бұрын

If you are charged under this new law then you'll need to identify as JK Rowling to be left alone?

@jameskrell4392

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

Update, Police Scotland say no crime committed. Im happy but confused. Wtf is this law?

@Alloneword-cp2xw

2 ай бұрын

To prevent anything being said about the Scott leader's faith, basically. Blasphemy law next!

@robertcampbell3034

2 ай бұрын

It is called badly written law. This is law that is impossible to enforce because it is written by a moron who has a wish list he wants off his chest. Thescope for interpretation and thus misinterpretation is so muddled as to render any useful purpose unfathomable. Like Sunaks absurdity that law can declare a place 'safe'. Utter, utter nonsense.

@jcskyknight2222

2 ай бұрын

Because she didn’t run afoul of the law.

@user-xq2zn8bu9q

2 ай бұрын

Collaborators.

@LazyAnnihilator

2 ай бұрын

They'll not go after the likes of JK in the courts, as she can afford the fight. They'll go after easier prey. Namely the rest of us who can't drum up either money or social media support.

Rishi Sunak While delivering a speech at the Conservative Party conference said, "And we shouldn't get bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want to be. They can't. A man is a man. And a woman is a woman. That's just common sense," is Rishi Sunak now a wanted man in scotland? Am I commiting an offence by quoting the Prime Minister of Britain?

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

No and yes in that order. The law will not be enforced in his case.

@glowmentor

2 ай бұрын

He could be a wanted man. It could be argued that he was stirring up hatred against a proscribed group, therefore he is open to the effect of the law.

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

@@glowmentor He is not.

@alisonmary1443

2 ай бұрын

Sunak has to give the statute the go ahead before Scotlands first minister can bring it to vote.

@onsight2822

Ай бұрын

Yeah but they'll let him off as he's on the gravy train , if your not then you'll be persecuted.

Nobody alive has ever not caused some offence to someone based on belief, religion, identity etc. Have these people never had an argument?

Get qualified as a barrister in Scotland! There is a mint to be made there!

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

Only if you're a traitor and intend to uphold these Draconian edicts. If you're not, you'll probably never make it into a wig.

@Festivejelly

2 ай бұрын

or defending against them...@@ameliagfawkes512

@wilderbeest773

2 ай бұрын

Just because the legislature there has lost its plot? 😂

@nlwilson4892

Ай бұрын

I suspect the police are going to get lots of complaints that never get further than the PF (ie. never get to the point of charging someone).

She would have ruined them in court with her money. you can guarantee they'll do it to the poor people🤷🏼‍♂️

This isn't to do with transgender. It's about talking freely about religion " Islam " and probably refugees

@Skantezz

2 ай бұрын

I'm sure those groups hold really tolerant views on sexuality and transgenderism. I'm sure you couldn't find people breaking this law if you were to say, film inside of a mosque. And I'm sure if they did it would be fully prosecuted under this new law. I'm totally sure of it.

@nlwilson4892

Ай бұрын

Those groups were already protected, the change in the law is very much about transgender issues.

Hi Dan, new Scottish laws are counterproductive and anathema to rights. Seemed so ridiculous no one thought it would go so far and be so unclear !🤷🤔

This conflation between "disagreeing with" someone and "hating/stirring up hate" has absolutely got to stop, and we certainly shouldn't be codifying it in law. And "identity" has never been anywhere near as clear cut as is being suggested. It is a complex, real-time, protean negotiation between an individual, their community, and society. Never in history have I or anybody else been able to entirely determine their "identity" unilaterally and with a single sentence.

@feanorian21maglor38

Ай бұрын

Exactly, very well put.

@jerbil9353

Ай бұрын

Excellent points. I like you.

@nlwilson4892

Ай бұрын

Quite! I mean we don't allow people to identify as being disabled and use the disabled people's toilet or parking spaces. There's quite strict criteria for getting a blue parking badge. So why do we suddenly say that anyone that says they are a woman should be treated as a woman in all circumstances. I have no problem with a man wearing a dress or make-up, but it doesn't make them female.

I think the entire concept of " protected groups" makes some people more equal than others and can only lead to bad outcomes like " positive discrimination " the priciple of everyone being equal under the law should be inviolable .

@martyndawson7484

2 ай бұрын

"All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others". George Orwell.

@Skantezz

2 ай бұрын

"More equal"😂 That's an oxymoron.

@snowflakemelter1172

2 ай бұрын

@@Skantezz exactly, it's meant to be.

@nlwilson4892

Ай бұрын

That isn't what it is a all. Firstly, it isn't groups that are protected it is characteristics. So it works both ways. A "gay" club can't refuse admission to people for being heterosexual just as any other pub can't refuse entry to someone for being homosexual. However, both could refuse entry to someone because that person has a bad history or isn't dressed to a certain standard, some clubs refuse entry to large groups or hen and stag parties. So, everyone is protected equally under the law, but only protected from discrimination on the basis of types of characteristics. Positive discrimination could also be illegal unless it could be shown that there was a certain need. For instance a club might specifically advertise for female doorstaff because they don't have any and need them to search females. A company might say "We particularly welcome applicants from ....." because they have found that certain groups who have faced discrimination in certain sectors aren't applying but they should still judge each application on their ability to do the job.

People must come together and demand a stop to this insanity. Politicians need to understand we are their boss and not the other way around.

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

They won't.

@mrennie5158

2 ай бұрын

Yusaf’s ego is way too big for that.

@loftyintentions1985

2 ай бұрын

That's not true though. Democracy is just dictatorship with the illusion of freedom and choice.

I bet she has more defence money than Scotlands police budget.

Offence is entirely SUBJECTIVE and NOT OBJECTIVE. Surely, Offence is TAKEN and not GIVEN..

Surely the word "reasonable" is one of the most problematic in legal language.

@skepticalbadger

2 ай бұрын

Increasingly, yes, since there is less consensus on what's reasonable than ever before.

@tttt4029

2 ай бұрын

Must admit I was a tad perturbed when BBB said reasonable is an objective measurement ?

@jonathanirons231

2 ай бұрын

@@tttt4029 I noticed that too. It seems such an inefficient word to use in a legal context.

@robertfitzjohn4755

2 ай бұрын

I can't find any good definition of the term. It's as though everyone is expected to know the meaning intuitively, in which case it's simply not an objective standard. Within living memory, I'm pretty sure that a "reasonable person" would have regarded homosexuality as being harmful to society, and believed that anyone with a penis must be male. The nearest I can find is: "a fictional person with an ordinary degree of reason, prudence, care, foresight, or intelligence".

@tttt4029

2 ай бұрын

@@robertfitzjohn4755 Of course it's not objective which is an even scarier proposition given they could interpret it any way they like. Which of course is the whole point of the law !

This shows the double standard of the current uk government. They have the power to blocm laws passed by Holyrood, but they did not. If they were against it, then they had 50 days to tell the Scottish governmenf and advise the law be changed before it gain Royal Assent. But they didn't. I wonder why they did not block it...

@protectiongeek

2 ай бұрын

I'm no legal expert but, in my understanding the Scottish bill received Royal Assent three years ago and the similar Act in E&W had provisions that - at that time - were broadly similar, so a UK govt moving a s35 'block' on the Scottish bill would be difficult to justify. Case law in E&W since then has required some modification of guidance to the police that doesn't (yet) apply in Scotland - Police Scotland have only said they will give it some consideration.

Is this the beginning of living under Sharia law?

@oliverlaw02

2 ай бұрын

Sharia law and Islamism appear to be in line with some of the main ideals of the WEF which intends to limit the freedom and personal autonomy of travel for the impoverished.

@simonturner1

2 ай бұрын

Betteridge's Law of Headlines answers your question: No.

Legislation is passed without proper debate. Laws are now being passed based on theories rather than common sense.

Time for the UK public to demand a constitution be drafted that guarantees our rights.

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

We have a plethora of rights, based upon our existing Constitution, all of which are being trodden on by this tyrannical legislation, which I hope will be robustly challenged and thrown out. This kind of oppression has been the "Go To" by people in power throughout history whenever they become afraid of the people. Charles I, for example, lost his head over stuff like this. Interesting times.

@debatable1984

2 ай бұрын

@@ameliagfawkes512 we don't have a written constitution........

@ExodusX13

2 ай бұрын

@@debatable1984 All of the acts/laws we have can be considered our constitution.

@bilbobaggins5938

2 ай бұрын

@@debatable1984 We don't have a single specific article for it, but we have the Bill of Rights.

@debatable1984

2 ай бұрын

@@ExodusX13 no they can't. They're laws. A constitution guarantees your rights as a citizen. Hence the reason people are going to be locked up for hurting feelings with factual statements soon enough...

Good for her. This is bloody ridiculous.

It's not about 'sex', it never was...

@SMidberg

2 ай бұрын

It s about islam. (Soon the police come nockin on my door, luckily I m not living in Scotland) 😊

Police Scotland have already spoken and said she has commited no crimes

Well done her. This law needs to be tested

@goodcat1982

2 ай бұрын

Tested? I think you mean repealed

Boycot Scotland and Scottish products until this law is repealed ! I Support JK .

They support free speech eh? If I was to call certain politicians "corrupt" , I could be sued for libel.One rule for them, another for us.

@jamesmortimer6007

2 ай бұрын

It's only libel if it isn't true.

@Thetasigmaalpha

2 ай бұрын

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. If you describe someone as corrupt without evidence that’s what libel.

@admthrawnuru

2 ай бұрын

​@@jamesmortimer6007actually is only libel if he neither believes it to be true nor is using reasonable rhetorical devices such as hyperbole to legitimate point. But by government logic, it's libel if they say it is.

@RylanStorm

2 ай бұрын

@@admthrawnuru I'm struggling with your grammar here but it seems to suggest you have to know you're telling a lie for it to be considered libel. That's not the case and it's a common misconception. The defence against libel, for not knowing the facts, only applies when you are not the original author of the statement and you republicise it. i.e. If I post on Twitter, something that is defamatory and factually incorrect, but I belive to be true, I'm still guilty of libel. However, if you retweet it because you believe it to be true, you're not guilty of libel. It's a messy law.

@s.muller8688

2 ай бұрын

@@RylanStorm great story but the fact he states has zero inherent complexity in it when he said, "But by government logic, it's libel if they say it is." No matter how much words you spin around this subject. it is ridiculous, not messy.

Good on J,K ...

George Orwell's 1984, really rings a bell here.

The vast majority of reasonable people cannot afford to challenge some of these crimes in court.

The fact that the police in Scotland had to spend a millisecond thinking about JKR is already disgusting. Polkce now have to question all of this. It is a bona fide police state.

The problem in these times is that a vocal minority of people see opinions differing to their own, criticism and scrutiny as offensive, threats, abuse and harassment. The same people who lobby Government and get listened to.

@thebigg2345

2 ай бұрын

I agree, there are too many examples now where simply having a different (but reasonable) opinion is labelled as offensive. It's a way of preventing debate about an issue and, I'm sure, often a deliberate tactic.

Why would anyone assume that cases brought are going to be "extreme" ones that most people would think are "reasonable" (and what does that mean?), rather than politically motivated?

Sunak says "We have a proud tradition of free speech" but should have finished his sentence "which we have been working tirelessly to remove". They cannot be allowed to push the digital ids through as this will end all freedom.

How dose Scotland's new hate crime compare to the existing hate crime legislation already in place in England?

@Ubu987

2 ай бұрын

It is even more intrusive and vague. Also, it effectively applies throughout Britain, not just Scotland, because the Scottish cops can demand the extradition of anyone considered to be an offender.

@markkieran1004

2 ай бұрын

And chillingly, there is no 'in your own home' defence.

@toniyoung5131

Ай бұрын

That same law is also already in place in Scotland, no need for this new abomination .

A similar law is in the process of being introduced in Ireland. Elon Musk has said he will pay the legal costs of anyone accused under this new law! 👍☘️

@eroero830

2 ай бұрын

er. good luck actually accessing such a money. he isn't going to learn of your issue because no one will amplify your plight. best thing to do is watch what you say

@Sue650

2 ай бұрын

And Canada ….🤦🏼‍♀

@loftyintentions1985

2 ай бұрын

Elon musk doesn't give a toss about your troubles regardless of what raw sewage he spills from his cake hole.

@agusbrz78

2 ай бұрын

The same Elon Musk who is closing the accounts on X which criticize him or are against Russia ?

@loftyintentions1985

2 ай бұрын

It seems KZread didn't like my non offensive criticism of a man who uses the "save the planet" mantra to become even more wealthy.

So uh... I read this as it being a criminal offence to disagree with someone who subsequently takes offence at said disagreement. Though I'm sure there will be no end of hypocrisy to the application of this new law.

"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it"- Orwell.

What is a reasonable person? Certainly none of the current PMs of GB could fit into that category.

As has been said many times in many places, _the process IS the punishment_. Questioning by (poorly-trained) Police Scotland officers, possible arrest, confiscation of phones, tablets, computers, etc for months etc, etc. Even if there is only a very remote chance of a report to the Procurator Fiscal, an even remoter chance of prosecution at the Sheriff Court and a vanishingly small chance of conviction being secured, any individual subjected to this treatment by Police and the Crown will still suffer the consequences of this abysmal legislation.

@mrennie5158

2 ай бұрын

Our Police are not going to pursue this the majority of the time they’ll just cobble together bum statistics that show they’re addressing the worst of it and be like, “Yes first Minister of course first Minister “ whilst trying to prevent suicides and act as Social Workers and hospital transports etc etc maybe from time to time they’ll be able to squeeze in some actual policing.

@protectiongeek

2 ай бұрын

@@mrennie5158 fair comment - but - Police may still record non-crime hate incidents against individuals without informing them. Said individuals may only become aware of an NCHI recorded against them if and when applying for a job that requires disclosure or applying for citizenship, etc.

@mrennie5158

2 ай бұрын

@@protectiongeek back at you. Fair comment 👍

This is not about winning votes for SNP, it's about bringing shara law in through the back door

One question I have, is, would they punish the Scots, if they call lesbian nana, the police officer, by the nickname she a while ago earned? 🤨

A fictional "Reasonable Person" (having "an ordinary degree of reason"), is apparently the cornerstone of this legislation. How is this objectively enforced?

@christophermonteith2774

Ай бұрын

It isn't

When you spoke about an employer, targeting a specific group to recruit from, that has been promoted by UK governments as "positive" discrimination. But that is still discrimination and is wrong. The best individual for the job, is, the best individual for the job! A characteristic that must not be discriminated against, cannot be used as a way to discriminate against others for not having that characteristic!

@thebigg2345

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you, I'm against positive discrimination - to me, it's simply a type of discrimination and therefore bad. I do accept, however, that it's a complex issue where there has been historical discrimination against certain groups.

Uk free speech depends on who is in power.

When there are bad laws, we need to be concerned. But when there are STUPID laws, we need to REALLY worry!

It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out...👍👍

If Rowling posted here tweets prior to the law coming into force, then she didn't commit a crime at the time of the post. So if the police take action does that mean the law is enforced retrospectively?

@anneruth9246

2 ай бұрын

Just announced that Police Scoland have investigated and declared that it is not a crime.

@whisperingleaves

2 ай бұрын

I think retrospective review will happen if a person continues their harassment. Although, I don't think JK Rowling is a target of this law, and this whole JK thing is totally hyperbole.

@muttley1423

2 ай бұрын

That should also have implications for humza if this is true.

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

I don't think they have the space for the masses of people who've said things our Dear Leaders don't like in jails right now, but don't put it past them to build FEMA-style camps for millions, at our expense.

@Bastillian

2 ай бұрын

Each time a comment eg JKR's is accessed it is to be regarded as a separate publishing instance. As for the FM's anti-white rant, you can access the content since the law came into effect and you can be offended in terms of the remarks. He will be hoist by his own petard. We have lift off!

We are all behind her!!

She should be arrested for daring the polis scolan.

Good on her for doing that.

I'm the right of erasure. I am not a customer of the bbc and never have been. Am I entitled to tv licencing have them remove all details they have on me, including storing my address in their records?

@Adam_Boots

2 ай бұрын

I doubt they could erase the address which is public record even without the occupants being listed. They regularly send letters addressed to 'The Occupier' meaning they don't really care who lives there, just that whether there is a license linked to the address.

@schrodingerscat1863

2 ай бұрын

@@Adam_Boots They are, like any other organisation, governed by GDPR so we should have the right to force them to remove our details from their databases.

@ameliagfawkes512

2 ай бұрын

@@Adam_Boots Make sure, when/if you send in you information for voting (for your benefit, don'tcha know!) you make sure that you tick the bit that removes it from the open public records. Make sure you give Crapita no personal information at all. Don't open the door (or close it quietly right away if you're taken by surprise) and don't engage, but have a camera on standby. You're not doing anything wrong as long as you don't watch any LIVE TV or BBC I-Player. You can watch Netflix, Prime, KZread (not live, though - just watch later) or any others I've not heard of and you can watch DVDs until the cows come home without paying the BBC a single penny. xx

@finthegeek

2 ай бұрын

There are many reasons why they could retain your details under GDPR - might wanna read it rather than assume. Although bear in mind there interpretation can be different from yours and unless you are willing to go all the way to court, it's their intepretation that matters

@ruspj

2 ай бұрын

@@Adam_Boots it might be public records but it can also be seen as personally identifiable information just curious if anyone has ever challanged them demanding they delete it from the records held by them

I spent nine months (2019) in litigation versus Jackboot Scotland at Glasgow Sheriff Court because I had reported a crime. Two of the police witnesses were members of the gang that wanted to use my tenancy to store and sell drugs from...a storyline one would never see in any British soap opera. I spent my free time in The Mitchell Library reading up the legal issues I was facing in eight charges, as I chose to represent myself. 10 000 pounds later I had all charges thrown into the gutter from where they came from. I was warned not to report proceedings (I am now a former polical & legal correspondant) and threatened with 18 months imprisonment (Barlinne Prison) for each article published. I duly informed sherriff reid that I would instead publish in memoir form thereby negating any prison sentence. I added that the farce that I had endured would be revealed in detail: names, shoulder tab numbers, dates of illegal arrest and detention at London Road, the court farce around the PF not be able to organise a piss-up in a brewery etc etc etc. I mentioned that a person with an IQ of 30 points less than Einstein could and would not lie down and allow: criminals, Jackbboot Scotland, the Procurator Fiscals office and sheriffs to walk all over me. The Scottish legal system is in freefall. I have since 2019 been summoned for jury duty four times. I have served twice. Never again, for I will always be going on holiday when they want to use my IQ.

This is beyond a joke. Why is this law even a thing to begin with? We have harassment laws, this is just harassment laws with motive written into them. Why didn't they just add motives to the existing laws? I, for the life of me, cannot fathom any scenario whereby this law would be violated, where harassment laws would not have been violated. Needless complication.

If such a defence is possible, how on earth did Bellfield get 5 years?

Jury Nullification

It’s getting really stupid now 🙄

@martinarscott3524

2 ай бұрын

came here to say the same, the whole world's going bonkers

The extra problem with this law is they can mark you without your knowledge even if they don't charge you.

What is unacceptable is Yousaf's anti-white rant in the Scottish parliament

That's bad. As a German, I have some thoughts about this, because we have debates about language, that are even more impactful in our day to day life. First of all, It should be allowed to be impolite. The restrictions for speech go way too far, and it's scary, because it can happen everywhere. Also here in Germany, and here, they want to change the language further. We have a gendered language, most nouns have a male and a female form, and if we use them in an unspecific way, we usually use the male form. F.e. teacher in German ist "Lehrer" as male, and "Lehrerin" as female. If we talk about a teacher or teachers in general, we would say "Lehrer" instead of "Lehrerin", so we would use the masculine form. A small group of activists hate this. They want a star as additional letter, that sounds like a pause, and want people to write and say "Lehrer*in" instead. It's pathetic, often times it causes problems with grammar, for some words it's impossible, words that end with "ing", like "Lehrling", the german apprentice. You can't make "Lehrling*in", because there is no female form for "Lehrling" in German. So there are issues with making German gender neutral. But the most important thing is: Over 90% of Germans, up to 95%, are against it. 1/3 does it at the workplace, but if you ask them, why, over 80% say, out of fear, or because their boss wants it. They also do it in mainstream articles, in some public letters, in scientific works, in tax founded TV, so there is a big push to use gender neutral language, despite the fact, most people are against it. So my concern is, they make misgendering illegal in Scotland, and others follow their example. That it also happens in Germany. And that the next step is, they force us, at least in some places, to use gender neutral language. People already are scared, there already are situations, where you have to do it, or you get fired, and most people don't have the money to sue, and don't want the stress. I am concerned, that they punish it like an insult. For insulting someone, here you have to pay money, and sometimes you have to go to prison for up to 1 year. If you insult someone with an action, or if you do it in public or at a meeting, you get double the punishment, so up to 2 years in prison. In most cases, you will have to pay money, most of the time something between 50 - 300 euro, but it's possible to punish it way harder, especially in public, and the judge has a lot of "freedom". If they force gender neutral language on us, it also would be in the internet, and if the judge would feel like, someone could repeat to not use the gender neutral language, he could decide, he wants to teach the person a lesson, and throw the person into prison. Especially repeat offenders. There is the push to punish people for not using gender neutral language here in Germany. It's a topic in the same way, the pronouns are a topic in other countries. We have both debates, pronouns and gender neutral language. So it's a real concern. I am for free speech, and against punishing speech. I also would be against punishing insults. Defamation is different, or f.e. sending someone turd to insult him or her, but I think, in general speech shouldn't be punishable, being impolite should be legal, it's enough, that the public shames people for being impolite, and I am very concerned about the trend, we see in western countries, where they try to restrict or to punish speech, to "protect" just 1% of the population. Especially, because it's so vague, it totally can be used as political weapon 😕

@MrEdrftgyuji

2 ай бұрын

The funny thing is, that is the case in English as well. If you don't know the sex, you use the male pronouns. Of course, we can't have that anymore, as it upsets the professionally offended.

"There is freedom of speech, but I connect guarantee freedom after speech. " Idi Amin

I'm a schizophrenic hermaphrodite but I don't know what half to chose...will I be arrested? 👉🇬🇧👈👉😵👈❗❗❗

@user-Katie019

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

Common sense has gone down the toilet!

What I'm hearing is; it is find to exclude people from employment if they don't fit the group of people you are hiring from. This allows an employer to discriminate against anyone they want by just saying we're balancing! The employers doesn't have to prove it. This completely circumvents discrimination laws.

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

That is the intention.

@Number6_

2 ай бұрын

@@eadweard. Making those who invented the whole concept the biggest hypocrites and the worst type of racists in the 1st instance.

@eadweard.

2 ай бұрын

@@Number6_ They couldn't care less.

@Number6_

2 ай бұрын

@@eadweard. Hypocrites are like that! They don't give a damn what you feel, think or believe. They just want unfair advantage over you!

The UK needs a written constitution that upholds freedom of speech that is the supreme law of the land.

@wideyxyz2271

2 ай бұрын

We actually have one if you bother to look. Look up sovereignty, common law and the constitution. It's hard work but its there!

@marcusbrown3880

2 ай бұрын

It has one, in parts. Trying to find those would be the problem now, not 20yrs ago. Most was never written down, just verbal accords from when one's word meant something.

@debatable1984

2 ай бұрын

​@@wideyxyz2271the UK does Not have a constitution...

@itsmelampoi

2 ай бұрын

Exactly how I feel, a proper constitution modelled on that of the US

@debatable1984

2 ай бұрын

@@marcusbrown3880 the UK doesn't have a constitution, you're reading propaganda to stop you from demanding this "democracy" put one in paper that's legally binding. Not some corrupt politicians words from decades ago.

That’s all very well, but we STILL want this ridiculous and oppressive ‘law’ repealed!

Phobia = fear of, not hatred towards. I hate apples but I’m not phobic.

If JK Rowling said what she said whilst at home in England, then Scottish law has no jurisdiction.... surely!!?!?!? If it was UK law then that applies across the Union, but laws made for England/Wales have no powers north of the border and vice versa.

@paulbennett8533

2 ай бұрын

I too am of that belief.

Ridiculous laws for ridiculous people!

Has he done a video on the Sam Melia case? Or does it ruin any credibility our justice system has?

Please go through that case - it seems key

The main issues with this law is perceived and the fact that we have anonymous reporting centres, which will waste police time and although may not lead to any convictions will certainly lead to peoples files have a none hate crime on them, possibly affecting future employment although not be guilty of any crime.

The country has gone mad.

Labour will bring in this law..they tried very hard to bring in identity cards...

Equality of outcomes. Next...