I attended a grad school (NYAA) based primarily on French Academy teaching, and in retrospect SO WISH a class had been offered that compared the various academy approaches. In NYC during those years (early 00s) there were a number of Russian painting instructors around (mostly teaching night and weekend classes) who had received training at the Russian Academy during Soviet era. They all had fascinating stories about their school days, but no one ever thought to put together a class or even a single lecture on the Russian Academy system. Such a shame! And the thing is, we students were all blown away by Russian academic figure drawing, it was so distinct from the 19thC French model we were taught, was grittier and less classicized, but every bit as volumetric and imbued with anatomical understanding.

I thought I'd add that the two most predominant aspects that divide these schools is 'observation' vs 'knowledge'. The French academic system has a penchant for observational drawing, because academic training extensively examines the minutiae of the model, training one to "see" the model. Whereas those who came before- in that High Renaissance Raphaelite tradition- were all about honing a profound understanding of the structural and mechanical workings of the human body- even going as far as to dissect cadavers. In fact, most of those preliminary drawings from that era were done largely from imagination, drawing what they knew- that's why they're so anatomy-heavy, because the Italian method uses anatomy instead of shadows, to 'map out' the figure

What a wonderful resource thank you!

Very quality content you're putting here, thank you for your words and your shared knowledge!

Amazing episode , it Clear what I was always wonder about , keep it up

Wonderful talk - thank you!

Thank you so much, this video was exactly what I was looking for.

As always, marvelous information and great way to present it. It's a pleasure watching your videos. Thank you Maestro Borrero for sharing and for dedicating this time to inspire.

Belleza de dibujo y de clase, muchas gracias maestro! ¡Y qué alegría que publique más a menudo!

Thank you very much for your work!!!🙏🙏

Thank you so so much for a dedicated sharing! I also love Italian drawing method cuz it contains full of energy through a system of movement which is very lively. Can’t wait for your next videos/livestream. ❤❤❤

Thanks for the presentation! Would love to hear more about the Italian styles, especially versus other styles.

this is the best video I've ever seen on the topic of deep diving in the roots of drawing, also one of the best videos ever on KZread, feels like custom made for greatness, I'm the happiest man in the world. Tnx luis.

Thanks Luis👍

Wonderful instruction! Thank you!

@LuisBorreroVisualArtist

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for commenting!🙏🙏

Thank you for this video! Im being studying about Flemish, Rubens or Italian drawing which I must to choose in my painting style. Im with you in Italian style with show more in gesture, mass and volume with ovoids method. Great presentation, Luis!

Excelente clase sobre las dos escuelas de dibujo. Muy esclarecedor gracias

I studied mannerism and anti mannerism. The period of these styles for me was my school of drafting long ago. This brings back memories. ❤

When I was a kid in Italy they allowed me to make pizza in the kitchen at a restaurant one time, they said I was the best dough-prepper they'd ever had.

@fl7210

9 ай бұрын

I love a pizza pie

@pillow4casestudies

4 ай бұрын

they were being polite

Great video thank you for sharing this ! And your French is totally correct don't worry ;) . Would love a 3h videos on the history of drawing alone haha !

I very much enjoyed this video presentation. I learned much about drawing from the three Italian greats, Leonardo, Michelangelo, and Raphael when I was a lot younger and it's a good thing I did. I'm often told my drawings look classical, but sadly, I don't see a lot of interest in this style with younger artists today. Nowadays it seems younger artists are more interested in realistic drawings. That is, drawings that look like black and white photographs. They are impressed with the details of surfaces, the texture, and think this is the highest form of art. I'm not sure why there's so much interest in this "hyper realistic" style of drawing? Perhaps these young artists have never studied the old masters? They should.

This is really great vid!

@LuisBorreroVisualArtist

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for commenting Carlos!🙏🏻🙏🏻

Thank you.

Thanks again

Have spent the last twelve years studying Italian Renaissance fencing and have always admired the dynamic figures depicted in the rapier manuals. I also like to draw these lifelike (and sometimes a bit gruesome) action scenes. However, my drawings look stiff and don't have that real sense of movement you see when some unfortunate is being impaled on the rapier of Capo Ferro's "clever fencer". 😉The italian drawing system is just what is needed .

I think Edgar Degas is worth mentioning as well for reason that he adopted and adapted the French academic lineage as Ingres was his hero and Raphael his inspiration. A consummate draughtsman who obsessive about contour and line. On a separate note, interesting how Bridgeman studied under Gerome, but to my eye promotes a construction method from the inside out more akin to Italian method.

Hello Luís! Thank you very much for all the content you share with us in this channel. I have a question, and i would really like to know if you could help me: is there any italian style books of practical drawing teaching and exercises for students, equivalent to the Bargue course?

Great video, great Chanel.

@LuisBorreroVisualArtist

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for visiting and commenting.

Have you a seen before the painting " Painéis de Nuno Gonçalves " Portuguese painter . They say that it was under influence Of Flemish style, XV century. What is your opinion about that great painting ? it was a Old Master from Portuguese School at that time

Hi, I'm a student studying art in Korea. I love your lectures. But it takes too much time to translate. So, can I know if there are any videos or paid lectures with Korean subtitles?

Luis, great insightful commentary I was very well captivated congraduation. Chuck PAFA 1999.

23:11 Ingres 100% studied in the studio of David for two years!

@LuisBorreroVisualArtist

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct. He entered David’s studio in 1797. Unfortunately, I was unable to correct this mistake during my live editing.

Невероятно! Спасибо за Ваш труд)

Hello Luis a question, I am 13 years old and I am copying the bargue sheets I think I copy them well but I usually take a long time especially in the first phase Is this normal?

@madjidchouarbi3921

Жыл бұрын

Hello jesub. Copying doesn't have to be a rush, because even drawing an original picture doesn't have to be a rush. Better take your time to produce a good effect. Quality takes times and, as I make copies too both in drawing and painting, I can tell you that it's not unusual for me to spend ten to fourty hours for a drawing depending of the size and complexity of the original. Recently, I made a oil painting copy of Velasquez who took me almost sixty hours. Don't try to be the fastest guy on west, be the best at drawing !

@LuisBorreroVisualArtist

Жыл бұрын

Learning to draw well takes hours of practice. It’s best to take your time doing the plates initially. Practice drawing with a quill pen to gain confidence in your strokes. Don’t be afraid to make mistakes.

@Villapes

Жыл бұрын

@@madjidchouarbi3921 Thank you very much your comment is very encouraging

@Villapes

Жыл бұрын

@@madjidchouarbi3921 Thank you I thank you very much for your help

@madjidchouarbi3921

Жыл бұрын

@@Villapes You're welcome Jesub. I'm sure your dedication for academic arts will makes you a futur star in the field of figurative art. Never give up my young friend.

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Hay una gran diferencia en oir hablar de dibujos antiguos a un historiador de arte o a un dibujante, porque este sabe de lo que habla ¡Enhorabuena, Maestro! Gracias.

Bro looks just like Young Don The Sauce God if he was Italian

Muchas gracias, soy español y no entiendo inglés , el traductor automático es malísimo, apenas se entiende. Es una lastima que siendo latinos renunciemos a la importancia y belleza de nuestro idioma.

Lamentable que este en inglés

Italian drawings have very lumpy muscle mass. 'Bag of walnuts'

@martig1000

Жыл бұрын

Giotto ? Piero della Francesca ? Massacio ? Maybe Tiziano ? or Gorgione ?

MOTHER SCHOOL IS BIZANTIAN SCHOOL MY DARLING FRIEND ..THAT IS WHERE ITALIAN SCHOOL DERIVED )))))))