It's Time to Stop! [Game Theory][The Mario Timeline's Shocking Reveal]

My quest to slay the hydra of my past gripes with Game Theory continues. Today, I face a video that had me arguing against it since the day it came out: MatPat's garbage Mario timeline. It's time to finally lay this one to rest, once and for all.
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  • @guyonyoutube3850
    @guyonyoutube38503 жыл бұрын

    Matpat: Ignores the spinoff games and considers them non-cannon Also Matpat: Mentions the relationship between Yoshi and Birdo, something set up by the spinoff games

  • @multifandomfangirl9664

    @multifandomfangirl9664

    3 жыл бұрын

    Don't forget they did the same for the Luigi theory with my favorite mario game ever from my fav Mario spinoff

  • @annieandelsieofarendelle3294
    @annieandelsieofarendelle32942 жыл бұрын

    In this timeline, when did Peach get with Luigi? And if the Mario Party, Kart, and all the other spinoffs are after doesn't that mean that all of them are cheating with their respective partner since it's known Daisy and Luigi have chemistry whereas Luigi and Peach don't and she has chemistry with Mario and vice versa.

  • @jessicapinkman-hd4bw

    @jessicapinkman-hd4bw

    8 ай бұрын

    yet he only gives mario shit for it ya know sometimes i feel like nobody fits the Ron the death eater trope any better mario if you'll at how often he's villaified based on people ignoring basic context and jumping to assumptions about specific thing's with no evidence not to mention hating on him for thing's that are the player's choice and/or thing's that other characters in this franchise can just as easily be accused of doing

  • @StoryTeller796
    @StoryTeller796 Жыл бұрын

    I feel bad for this White Rabbit, because she's had her clock beaten, seasoned and jammed senseless because of The Mad Hatter and his March Hare and the little Rat in the teapot. And there's no Alice to comfort her.

  • @commendedzuez0944
    @commendedzuez09444 жыл бұрын

    Great video! This channel deserves more subs, underrated af.

  • @texben123
    @texben123 Жыл бұрын

    Matpat's is theory is more of a Fantasy Theory than real one.🤣

  • @thesmilingman7576
    @thesmilingman75762 жыл бұрын

    17:45 I think the appearance of the Toad characters is the evidence

  • @texben123
    @texben123 Жыл бұрын

    I just surprised that anyone can make a Mario timeline, the Mario timelines would be so confusing that your head would explode.

  • @PikachuGamerSMT
    @PikachuGamerSMT Жыл бұрын

    Either Cranky IS Baby DK or Yoshi's Island DS is not canon

  • @magolor-3100

    @magolor-3100

    2 ай бұрын

    It's a game about time travel Kamek ciuld've got baby dk in another tume period

  • @thegamersans5052
    @thegamersans50523 жыл бұрын

    Matpat is a hypocrite

  • @zOOpygOOpert
    @zOOpygOOpert2 жыл бұрын

    To be fair Mario Galaxy 2 is confirmed to be a retelling of the first

  • @user-cp4dm5hz2w
    @user-cp4dm5hz2w2 жыл бұрын

    You make a lot of good points I like you

  • @goldenboybenny7511
    @goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын

    Can I see your Mario timeline I want to see it please.

  • @ses5736
    @ses57364 жыл бұрын

    Odyssey confirms that SM64 is a in universe game based on fourth wall easter eggs about the graphics not to mention that DK '81 is also a in universe game as Odyssey desplays Classic DK artwork which doesn't match up with the current designs. So SM64 DS and DK '93 are the actual events and their originals are actually retellings (In universe) So here's my timeline ~Baby Era~ Yoshi's Island Yoshi's New Island Mario and Luigi Partners in Time (Past) [and yes I know you said it's illogical but the reactions in Yoshi's Island DS seem more calm compared to this game] Yoshi's Island DS Yoshi's Story ~Blue Collar Era~ Mario's Cement Factory Mario's Bombs Away! Wrecking Crew Donkey Kong Circus Donkey Kong (Remake) DK (Original) [In game universe game] DK Jr. DK 3 Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Run Luigi's Mansion Super Mario 3D Land Super Mario Bros. 3 (Event) Super Mario World Super Mario 64 DS Super Mario 64 (In universe game) ~Weak Koopa Empire Era~ Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga New Super Mario Bros. NSMB Wii NSMB U Mario and Luigi Partners in Time (Present) M&L: Bowser's Inside Story Super Princess Peach Super Mario Sunshine (In universe show due to oddities with Bowser's voice and various other clues) Yoshi Safari Mario and Luigi: Dream Team NSMB 2 Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam ~Powerful Koopa Empire Era~ Super Mario Galaxy SMG 2 (If you want to believe the Galaxy reset caused the Star Festival to last longer than a day) Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker Super Mario 3D World Super Mario Odyssey ~Fallen Koopa Empire Era~ Mario vs. DK series Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon Luigi's Mansion 3 Dr. Mario Dr. Luigi Super Mario Bros. 3 (Play, yes it was confirmed by Miyamoto) ~Many Years Later~ Super Mario Land Super Mario Land 2 Wario Land Series Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA) DK Country Series

  • @ses5736

    @ses5736

    4 жыл бұрын

    How I came to this order is based on references of state of wealth in the Mario and Luigi games and the fact that NSMB U kinda references that Bowser's castle was destroyed

  • @catmario-_3170

    @catmario-_3170

    2 жыл бұрын

    Mario Galaxy 2 has Throwback Galaxy. And one of the Bob bombs dialogue says "You look sorta familiar mustache man"

  • @zomkill5234
    @zomkill52342 жыл бұрын

    This is the weirdest crossover yet, I would never think I'd see the say where Yuya Sakaki out of all people would debunk a game theory. The weirder part is, I already watched this video like 2 years ago and I'm still weirded out by this fact.

  • @stargamer8878
    @stargamer88783 жыл бұрын

    This was a great breakdown,but how does Mario RPG kill timelines? I’ve never played that game

  • @RedQueenMiku2

    @RedQueenMiku2

    3 жыл бұрын

    So glad you asked, because that line of thinking was a huge oops on my part and I kind of have a video in the works to explain why I was pretty wrong, haha. Hope you'll stick around for it, if you're interested.

  • @seandwalsh3

    @seandwalsh3

    3 жыл бұрын

    RedQueenMiku2 when Miku does a big oops :Y

  • @aaronbeasley974
    @aaronbeasley974 Жыл бұрын

    26:15 when Uptown Funk played, I was laughing my ass off

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    14:42 its the last known appearence of the og poltergust

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    8:14 well it is the first adventure in the mushroom kingdom

  • @regenerations67
    @regenerations674 жыл бұрын

    good Break down can you do the mario is evil video

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    um could you put the time line games in order like this mario bros super mario bros

  • @gachamason2459
    @gachamason24592 жыл бұрын

    What do you think the Mario timeline is?

  • @drewmaster10
    @drewmaster104 жыл бұрын

    I agree with you when you pointed out these things, but I see why MatPat does this. It's easier to reach an "It must be" reasonable conclusion and just place it in the time line. Minute details and explanations take too long. MatPat releases videos regularly like its a job, so he apparently can't be bothered to wait until all the wrinkles are ironed out before releasing a video. Basically the show or "schedule" must go on. If he ever realizes his theory is wrong he probably won't scrap the video which is worth views. He would have to correct himself in a later video. MatPat has become a paid KZreadr. Proper research probably isn't worth as much to him. So.....sigh

  • @RedQueenMiku2

    @RedQueenMiku2

    4 жыл бұрын

    If it were just one or two times of him brushing a game aside under the "must be" label, I would have been fine with it, but very few games actually have a reason to be where they are. Over half the timeline goes completely unexplained, which makes the entire thing feel rather half-baked and pointless. That was my biggest problem with the whole thing. I do agree with one thing, though: MatPat does tend to rush out theories for the views without actually thinking everything through first. He has other shady practices too, but I'll be bringing those up in my next video, if you're interested *wink wonk*

  • @drewmaster10

    @drewmaster10

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RedQueenMiku2 Oh, I'm interested. The Mario timeline and other mysteries I would love to be explored. About 5 or 6 years ago, maybe 7, I discussed the mysteries of The Legend of Zelda with a friend. One of the first things we noticed was how in Majora's Mask, Zelda herself, in her only appearance in the game mentions The Goddess of Time. Didn't notice that when I was a teenager, only as an adult. OOT only mentions 3 Goddesses. In MM, Zelda mentions a 4th. This realization started a long stream of speculations. In Mario, Peach is the single strangest character IMO. Major unanswered questions.

  • @kriscastro6050

    @kriscastro6050

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RedQueenMiku2 UM GREAT QUEEN OF RED THE MANUWEL(I DONT KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT RIGHT)CLEARLY SAID AFTER MARIO BROS 3 JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU LEFT OUT.GOOD DAY MY QUEEN

  • @kriscastro6050

    @kriscastro6050

    4 жыл бұрын

    ALSO HOW COULD THAT CASTLE DO ANYTHING FOR THIS TIMELINE ALL AGAIN JUST SAYING

  • @kriscastro6050

    @kriscastro6050

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RedQueenMiku2 um which makes more sense to you matpat matio time line or the legend of zelda timeline

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    13:46 um i think he meant the pink one like the green yoshi the most iconic one vary specific

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    9:04 sorry for the strings but i dont know what you were talking about

  • @kriscastro6050

    @kriscastro6050

    3 жыл бұрын

    sorry i meant 9:43

  • @Skypatroller_BenCD
    @Skypatroller_BenCD6 ай бұрын

    I would like to see your argument to why Mario RPG kills timeline

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    8:12 um its mario first adventure in mushroom kingdom

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    18:29 um then what explains the ending?

  • @Troublethecat
    @Troublethecat Жыл бұрын

    I mean, Cranky Kong's entire existence does play hell on any attempt at creating a coherent timeline because if we really accept that the Mario and Pauline of the modern games are the same as the ones from the original Donkey Kong and Cranky is the Donkey Kong from that game, then that means Cranky grew old and Junior grew up and potentially had a kid who also grew up while Mario and Pauline haven't aged a day. Of course the real answer is that there is no canon timeline because Miyamoto outright said there's no set canon for the Mario games, but that's no fun.

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    9:04 um i like to see that page

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain820411 ай бұрын

    Lore of It's Time to Stop! [Game Theory][The Mario Timeline's Shocking Reveal] momentum 100

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    19:14 its a sequel to mario galaxy

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    9:01 show me the page i love to see it😊

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    18:31 um what explains the ending of mario galaxy

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    um which makes more sense the matpat mario timeline or the zelda timeline

  • @smt64productions40

    @smt64productions40

    3 жыл бұрын

    Zelda timeline

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    14:43 um hes talking the main birdo like theirs a main yoshi the pink one

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    9:43 what? what did you mean?

  • @colestawicki7760
    @colestawicki7760 Жыл бұрын

    I think what Drake meant by "Spin-offs" he meant Mario games with mostly no story.

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    12:14 um wait ist mario 64 and 64 ds different times

  • @TheKingOfIdiots
    @TheKingOfIdiots11 ай бұрын

    "SMG2 is a weak title." *ANGER INTENSIFIES*

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    alright

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    um mario must be realy old for cranky to reach senior age and have a son and him growing up and having his own son and growing up man mario must be vary vary old

  • @seandwalsh3

    @seandwalsh3

    3 жыл бұрын

    Kongs age extremely quickly. Tiny Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. are shown to go from kids to adults really in the span of just a few games. This is how Mario doesn't age much while 3 generations of Kongs go by.

  • @kriscastro6050

    @kriscastro6050

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@seandwalsh3 I THINK MIKU SHOULD MAKE A VIDEO ADRESSING THAT.

  • @hikaru9624

    @hikaru9624

    3 жыл бұрын

    You have made 26 individual comments on this video and all presumably on the same day too. I'd be surprised if you haven't been flagged by KZread's bots if not blocked for spamming by the channel owner.

  • @akiiame_

    @akiiame_

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hikaru9624 thank you. it's so annoying seeing their comments over and over again when I'm trying to read other more coherent comments.

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    20:21 what about you try ile wait🌝

  • @Cacaborea
    @Cacaborea2 жыл бұрын

    What About game boy donkey Kong

  • @Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004
    @Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004 Жыл бұрын

    28:18 Though that is true there is one game that sorta Confuses It Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem , or Mario Vs Donkey Kong in General. Besides desgins which would change over time. That one Game puts it at it's halt because literally Mario is Doing as the wiki states, mostly cus Nintedo dosen't have a definitive Timeline

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    16:22 um because its the last appearence of the og poltergust and i think he still brings evidence in thay point

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    25:23 what?

  • @RedQueenMiku2

    @RedQueenMiku2

    3 жыл бұрын

    Please, do not leave this many comments on one video, it clutters things up and you could have made it all a single comment, like I'm about to do right now. In the future, please keep that in mind. Now... At 8:14, the point was that MatPat didn't explain himself in the slightest. At 9:01, the page is entirely in Japanese. The Super Mario Wiki cited what a translation of the page said and that's what I went off of. As for the website, that's also cited in Lost Levels' article on the Mario Wiki, so it can be found that way and translated via Google Translate. At 9:43, I was talking about the many lines of dialogue the Koopalings recieved in Mario and Luigi Paper Jam, Paper Mario Color Splash, and other games that came out after MatPat's timeline. At 13:27, that was a whoops on my part, I shouldn't have said it. At 13:46, there's no real evidence that the Birdo born in SMRPG is the same as the Birdo that shows up in the spinoff games. There's more than one pink Birdo, as SMB2 USA has shown, so it could very well be a different, unrelated pink Birdo that hatches in SMRPG. At 16:22, the point was that they didn't actually tie the change of the Poltergust into anything significant, as the previous game on their timeline and the next games on their timeline had nothing to do with the Poltergust whatsoever. At 18:29, the ending had nothing to do with Rosalina's powers. Instead, it was the Lumas being reborn that created the new galaxies. Furthermore, even if this was correct, the other issue is that it would then be things that MatPat should have brought up in his Rosalina video, as that's what he's talking about in this segment, but he didn't and, thusly, I'm calling him out on it. At 19:14, sequels don't automatically mean they come directly after the game they're a sequel to. A good timeline uses more than flimsy non-evidence like that. At 23:01, the castle opens up room for speculation. How did Mario get the castle? Why does Mario have the castle? Answering questions like that could open up even more avenues for speculation and thereby allow for the timeline to be much deeper than it currently is. Finally, I'll address the Cranky Kong statement and the "which timeline makes more sense" question, the first answer being "it's not my job to answer that" and the second answer being "neither, they're both garbage". There's your long reply. Please don't leave this many comments on my videos anymore.

  • @kriscastro6050

    @kriscastro6050

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@RedQueenMiku2 ok um 12:15 i don't know whAT THAT MEANS.

  • @SuperNickid
    @SuperNickid Жыл бұрын

    @REDQueenMiku2: Do not take this comment too Seriously because I already read the start. This is just for other people that wants to know the truth about Super mario bros. 2 J( Super mario bros. the lost level for the Family computer disk system) You said: That Super mario bros.2 J was a sequal using the same engine, that is wrong, because it needed the add on the Family computer disk system to run properly at the time and that is why it was made as a disk(floopy disk) not sure how to correctly spell it, however Super mario bros.2J was never suppose to be a console game, it was suppose to be the sequal to the arcade VS. Super mario bros. So originally it was using the arcade engine, and they had to convert it for console because of a situation that happen in Japan at the time of development. If you don't believe beat world 8-4 in Super mario bros. 2 J you will see that it end the same way as the arcade version of the game.

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    23:01 um how could that castle do anything it cant move(joke sound effect) but realy how could it do anything for any timelines.

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    10:15 because it said so and he did do some reasoning here

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    ok tell what you think of it andd put the games and there evidence in this order for example donkey kong,evidence donkey kong junior,evidence

  • @RedQueenMiku2

    @RedQueenMiku2

    3 жыл бұрын

    You mean...make a timeline? For one, I have, it's buried deep on my DeviantArt page, but I've disowned it in favor of a timeline I've been working on on the side that's still not quite complete, as I set it aside to pursue other projects.

  • @kriscastro6050

    @kriscastro6050

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@RedQueenMiku2 could you send me a link.

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    13:23 um how does it kill timelines

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    20:22 alrighty let me see you do it

  • @Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004
    @Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004 Жыл бұрын

    Baby dk is the modern donkey kong though, taking into consideration, donkey kong jr Its clear hes cranky's son..That..That makes no sense, i get that matpats theory is dumb but when it comes to the last section that part makes complete sense

  • @kriscastro6050
    @kriscastro60503 жыл бұрын

    13:27 um why and i think you need some wilkins coffee

  • @Breaddan477
    @Breaddan4774 ай бұрын

    19:25 my sonic fanboy ass was fumin when you said that. Also, why are you hating on MatPat, like I get it "bad outdated theories" but why focus on the old ones? I bet you could make a whole multitude of videos on the "SeCuRiTy BrEaCh" theories alone. I do like your editing style and videos generally, keep it up! note:i skipped the disclaimers while making this comment but still the security breach comment still stands

  • @dalejhunter1
    @dalejhunter13 жыл бұрын

    So I had my own theories on the Super Mario Timeline. The most I can say is Kart, Party, Sports titles, RPG, and Paper Mario are all non canon. Yoshi's Story onward are also added to this by the fact that they don't have the 'Super Mario' monicker. Remakes are also omitted, so 64 DS doesn't count either. Super Mario Land series is also an omission because of its transition later into Wario Land. Plus Daisy ends up not getting anything beyond being partnered with Waluigi in being in only spin offs. Another reason is simply because of it having too many differences to be considered a true Mario game, like RPG. So the timeline I propose goes as follows... Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World Super Mario 64 Luigi's Mansion Super Mario Sunshine (Luigi is absent because he is tending to his new home) Mario and Luigi SuperStar Saga Mario and Luigi Partners in Time New Super Mario Bros. Mario and Luigi Bowser's Inside Story Super Mario Galaxy (the universe is reset by Rosalina in the final act, leading to a lot of changes) Super Mario Galaxy 2 (with this universe's Rosalina/Galaxy 1's died with her universe saving Mario, Peach, and Bowser) New Super Mario Bros. 2 New Super Mario Bros. Wii New Super Mario Bros. U Super Mario 3D Land Mario and Luigi Dream Team Super Mario 3D World Super Mario Odyssey Whew... Well, what do you think? A little better or confusing? I wouldn't mind a bit if feedback.

  • @dalejhunter1

    @dalejhunter1

    10 ай бұрын

    Two years later, I have to take back that Daisy statement because of the upcoming Mario game. And I feel I should more so say that a lot of the games *are* canon but are isolated incidents rather than being a larger whole. Anyway, figured I'd make this a quick update given this comment got outdated.

  • @thesmilingman7576
    @thesmilingman75762 жыл бұрын

    11:04 because it's a remake

  • @Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004
    @Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004 Жыл бұрын

    Not only that but Cranky is confirmed to be older than DK and Mario, Having Dk be around mario's Age, so unless your saying mario Dated Pauline thrm defeated Cranky, went up agaisnt Him again only to die by his son DONKEY KONG JR at the end , all in the span of one year, (even though dk Jr came after the first game is is more then one year old) only for him to COME BACK TO LIFE for him and his bro to be in mario bros, thats as much of a stretch as matpats bs, i dont agree with The theory entirely especially the Love stuff, but in the mix of a Timeline, cranky, mario and Dk's age changes it and at least solidifys the ending half

  • @smt64productions40

    @smt64productions40

    Жыл бұрын

    In the actual arcade game, Mario didn’t die to DK Jr

  • @NeutralRecon
    @NeutralRecon3 жыл бұрын

    As much as I respect you for debunking and disproving mat pats theory's, I can't help but mention the way you structure your arguments are very poor and make me cringe whenever you lose your mind when ever mat pat makes a slight error, yes a lot of his arguments are cherry picked, however I can point out several points where you show more ego than mat pat in several parts, especially the part were you completely were you turn full on "fanboy mode" when you start raging over a joke over the NSMB series or when you start losing your sanity over mat pat making a joke about MIM (Mario is mental) yes I know that theory is bollocks but if you start showing offence to jokes and make jokes at the expense of mat pat, DESPITE THE FACT MAT PAT HAS MOVED ON FROM THOSE OLD THEORIES! Not to mention when you start comparing a job on KZread to the job of an actually scientist! Sound familiar? When mat pat compared Mario to actually Socio/psychopaths! And the absolute salt in this video actually makes mat pat look more credible than you, keep in mind you complain about jokes and mild filler and you spend the first half of this video whining about the fact mat pat pumped out his theory right before you. I have respect for you but if you continue to act like a hypocrite I will start posting more comment essays like this to try and debunk mat pats points and not sound like a complete psycho, don't even deny you left a threat directed at mat pat in the video don't believe me? Well maybe you shouldn't leave a "Joke" centred around going to mat pats house with a knife and before you call me a fanboy or pussy keep in mind whenever mat pat makes a joke in one of your debunking videos you act like he's the spawn of the fricking devil. We both have common goal, but i do not approve of writing a smear campaign against mat pat or start saying mat pat should've been taken off of this platform because of an outdated theory made five or six years ago and tell me when was the most recent time mat pat mentioned MIM? Please take this as criticism and not hate.

  • @RedDragonForce2
    @RedDragonForce23 жыл бұрын

    Dang, your salt can cover planet Jupiter. Also, Luigi and Daisy’s “relationship” has only ever been in spin-off games. Daisy has only ever been in one game that isn’t sports, racing, or party themed and that’s SUPER MARIO LAND!! Meaning Luigi and Daisy have not met in ANY of the games anyone considers “canon”, regardless of Matpat’s placement or yours. Also, because this is post Super Mario Odyssey, the ending of that game had Peach REJECT Mario!! Peach REJECTED Mario after all these games he’s been through to get her away from Bowser. On top of that, Odyssey proves Super Mario Galaxy 2 as a reboot of SMG1. Because this is a different version of the Galaxy. All this to say is that because Mario is from a previous “Galaxy”, Pauline is different in this iteration of the Galaxy. Pauline is Mario’s friend here and his mother in the previous Galaxy Cycle. New Donk City was named after Donkey Kong, and after the Kongs leave for Kong Island, they leave Pauline in charge as Mayor. Where’s my proof? The names of the streets. They are named by influencial characters from history, even if it’s Recent History. Mario isn’t necessarily based on our real world, not with the Mushroom Kingdom being a “Warp Pipe” away from when Mario and Luigi first started their adventures. Is this concept still flawed?? Of course it is! Nitpick away at everything wrong with it, starting with the lack of evidence/proof I have not given. But that’s the thing about a “theory”. Not all “theories” are “facts”. Facts can go into theories, but that doesn’t mean theories are fact. He’s just putting his hat into the timeline debate. And just like you did for Matpat, not meaning this as an attack, but just poking some flaws out, the same could be said here. I know YOU know you’re not an authority on Mario Timelines, but Nintendo is contradicting themselves with a single Mario because of Donkey Kong Country having been previously established. Sure, not all spin-offs count, but lore does. And what you just proved was that Smash Lore was contradictory and/or controversial, so it’s hard to say what’s there and what’s not. TLDR, anyone can nitpick others theories, it’s part of the fun, rage is optional.

  • @seandwalsh3

    @seandwalsh3

    3 жыл бұрын

    Right. Well, I wasn’t going to respond to this but you did invite people to “nitpick away”, and that’s just too good of an opportunity to pass up. I will say that the “rage” that RedQueenMiku has here is clearly played up for laughs and as stated in her disclaimer at the beginning of the video, she has no qualms with Matthew Partick as a person, just with his theories. That much is obvious. Now, onto your actual points. “Luigi and Daisy’s “relationship” has only ever been in spin-off games.” Yes. That’s true. Why does that matter though? Spinoff games are explicitly 100% canon according to various main series games. Not sure where you’re getting the idea that people don’t consider them canon from. These are accurate depictions of the characters and how they interact. Luigi and Daisy do have an implied relationship in the Mario series. As for “Daisy has only ever been in one game that isn’t sports, racing, or party themed and that’s SUPER MARIO LAND!!”, you’re close, but not quite. Daisy also has a major role in Super Mario Run, which Nintendo consider to be a main series Mario game. She’s also in Dr. Mario World and on a Battle Card in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam (neither of which are Sports, Kart or party themed). I know that’s not exactly your point, but I think it’s important to point out anyway. What significance does Peach rejecting Mario’s proposal in Odyssey have here? First of all, Odyssey was released after MatPat’s video. It shouldn’t be used as evidence for his theory. Secondly, how does peach rejecting Mario then and there make a difference? Mario was acting like an idiot on the moon, competing with Bowser for her love, so Peach rejected him. It doesn’t mean she doesn't still like him or vice versa. All it means is that in that specific moment, she didn't want to marry Mario, which is completely fair. We see that Peach and Mario are still on good terms in Odyssey’s post-game. We see them sitting next to each other on the bus & enjoying each other's company in Luigi’s Mansion 3 (which would have to take place after Super Mario Odyssey on the timeline). We even see Mario & Peach as Tennis partners in the intro scene of Mario Tennis Aces (which also has to take place after Super Mario Odyssey). Looks to me like they’re still going strong. “On top of that, Odyssey proves Super Mario Galaxy 2 as a reboot of SMG1. Because this is a different version of the Galaxy.” - not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make here. Super Mario Galaxy 2 is likely a “reboot” of the first Galaxy, but I don’t see what Odyssey has to do with it. “All this to say is that because Mario is from a previous “Galaxy”, Pauline is different in this iteration of the Galaxy. Pauline is Mario’s friend here and his mother in the previous Galaxy Cycle.” Now this is completely bonkers. As far as we can tell, the universe reset at the end of Super Mario Galaxy only really erased the events of Super Mario Galaxy. Everything else we’ve seen has been identical between both universes. The idea of pauline being Mario’s mother in one universe and girlfriend in the other is also very weird and definitely not intended to be the case. It’s been proved time and time again that there is only one Mario. The one in Donkey Kong is undoubtedly the same one we know today. “New Donk City was named after Donkey Kong, and after the Kongs leave for Kong Island, they leave Pauline in charge as Mayor. Where's my proof? The names of the streets. They are named by influential characters from history, even if it’s Recent History.” While this is technically possible, I would say it’s far more likely that either the characters from Donkey Kong Island are named after locations and buildings in the City, or the City Hall Plaza’s streets, buildings and parks are named after them in honor of Donkey Kong saving the city during Donkey Kong Land. There’s no real evidence that the characters from Donkey Kong Country had any major influence on the City’s history. And you’re right. Theories are not facts. That is largely the point of this video. MatPat frames his theories as the truth, and despite the “just a theory” catchphrase, they spread across the internet to the point that many people, fans of Game Theory or otherwise, wrongly assume them to be true. Ironically, in the Film Theory episode “Film Theory: Frozen 2 is DANGEROUS. Here's why.” MatPat expressed distaste towards Frozen 2 for stating that water has memory (in a fictional world where magical elemental powers exist) as a fact in a film that’s targeted towards children. This is incredibly hypocritical when his own videos do the very same thing (e.g. the sexual maturity of Cranky Kong is definitive proof that Mario can’t be Jumpman). Miku may not be an official authority on Mario Timelines, but she sure as heck is close to one here. She only uses evidence from the games to point out flaws. She’s not exactly making it up herself here, is she? Nintendo aren't contradicting themselves with a single Mario. All having multiple Marios would do is create more plot holes. “Sure, not all spin-offs count, but lore does. And what you just proved was that Smash Lore was contradictory and/or controversial, so it’s hard to say what’s there and what’s not.” Actually, it’s not hard to say really. Super Smash Bros. is explicitly confirmed to be non-canon (it is an imaginary world of trophies that doesn’t feature the real versions of video game characters), while the majority of Mario Spin-offs are explicitly confirmed to be canon. And just as you did for Miku & Miku did for MatPat, I don’t mean this as an attack. Feel free to respond and try to debunk my points. Heck, let’s start a whole conversation here if you’re up for it. I’d love to answer any questions/provide sources where necessary. All the best.

  • @chungo.

    @chungo.

    Жыл бұрын

    @@seandwalsh3 Hot damn dude you didn't have to fucking murder them

  • @tomasalmeida2602
    @tomasalmeida26022 жыл бұрын

    The fact you use yu gi oh recolors takes away the seriousness

  • @adamkhalif6
    @adamkhalif63 жыл бұрын

    Dont be hater

  • @RedQueenMiku2

    @RedQueenMiku2

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't actually hate MatPat, believe it or not. All of the reasons why are outlined here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYmdzsdrocjRY7A.html

  • @viav791
    @viav7913 жыл бұрын

    You are completely wrong

  • @RedQueenMiku2

    @RedQueenMiku2

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow, thank you so much for telling me that. I'll definitely take this helpful constructive criticism to mind when creating future videos. Thank you so much for your meaningful feedback. This really tells me a lot about how I can improve.

  • @smt64productions40

    @smt64productions40

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wrong how?

  • @MrAuthor3DS

    @MrAuthor3DS

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I'd also like to hear your reasons as to why she was, as you claim, completely wrong. I'm sure in the 2 months following the time you posted this comment, you must have a well thought-out explanation, yes?

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